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moderated Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Ann Byrne
 

We have put together a mixer which hears both JAWS and the phone, allowing a person to speak to the phone without hearing JAWS at all. it works beautifully with a lap top computer on battery. when we plug in the computer, though, the whole thing looses its perspective. You can make a phone call, but the guy on the receiving end can't hear it. I have no idea why plugging in destroys the stinkin' mix, but it sure as the world does. If he could just use a lap top on battery, that would work.

Hmmmmmm.

At 01:45 PM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
The concern is the caller being able to hear jaws when they communicate with
this individual. If this is the result when both speak on the same side,
then the employer surely will have a problem with this. The only other
option would be braille display for the individual when still being able to
hear the caller undisturbed.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Here is the problem: we don't know what the final situation will be. He is
looking for a job in customer service. He needs to be able to demonstrate
that he can do the job with ... something. No vision and one ear is hard to
sell, unless of course he can point to a configured device and show how it
will work, perhaps with any system.







moderated Re: New computer specs

Tyler Wood
 

Hello,
The i9 is, in fact, not a typo, and is far ahead of its time. In a laptop cooling just isn't enough. In desktops not so much - but in the laptop form factor it is a 45 wat chip that has 8 cores and 16 threads. Intel is getting far too big for its britches since most Windows applications that we use on a daily basis are not optimized for multi core usage apart from video or audio editing.
That said, 16 GB of ram is beyond sufficient for someone who is simply doing office and web browsing tasks. In 6 years it may become equal to the 4 GB we have now, but generally with a fast NVME solid state drive you're going to do just fine regardless of i3, i5 or i7. An i5 is a nice compromise though and I'd certainly recommend at least that versus the i3. An i7 and mechanical drive is going to be a heck of a lot slower overall than an i3 with that fast ssd. These 8th and 9th generation Intel processors are already ridiculously fast and we're at an age when programs need to become optimized to take advantage of the power we have rather than the opposite.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.


moderated Re: RestoringtJaws access

Randy Barnett
 

You need the 26 digit authorization code from FS entered  before you can activate jaws.

Although you can go to FS Activate and see if you have any luck.

On 8/25/2019 5:46 AM, Dave Durber wrote:
Hello Chris:

He can do that, as long as he has keys on the sight, which can be used to activate JAWS.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hill" <hillco@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: RestoringtJaws access


You shouldn't have to call them. If you have your serial number and all that good stuff, go over to fsactivate.com and you should be able to do what you need.



On 8/24/2019 22:39, Justin Mcdevitt wrote:

Sent from my iPhone hello Group,
Recently I had some issues with my PC which required a complete reinstallation of windows and the maintenance of other issues.
After bringing it home today I attempted to open Jaws which ended up being limited to a 40 minute trial mode. As I do not have my authorization number written down, I probably will not have access to Jaws until I make contact with freedom scientific this Monday.
In the meantime is there a way that I can access Jaws and itp’s  Full capacity.
I would appreciate any and all assistance.
Best, Justin



moderated Re: Changing Jaws Key

Randy Barnett
 

It's never a bother. :) I am here to help. Glad you got it worked out.

On 8/25/2019 6:49 AM, Zel Iscel wrote:

Oh, I just found it. Sorry to bother you. And thank you very much for your help.

Cheers

Zel

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 9:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Changing Jaws Key

 

Thanks Randy.

 Following your instructions, I get the option of insert, capslock or scroll lock. When I chose the insert key, it only allows me to use the key above delete. I was hoping to use the insert key at the bottom row, to the left of the delete key. Is there any way I can specify which insert key I want?

 

Cheers

Zel

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2019 3:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Changing Jaws Key

 

Hi, press jaws key plus 6 then press ctrl plus shift plus D for the jaws default settings, then in the search field type jaws key Then tab once and down arrow once then press space bar until you get the key you want for the Jaws key.

On 8/22/2019 11:46 AM, Zel Iscel wrote:

Hi all,

 

By default, if you set the keyboard layout to desktop, you should be able to use the insert key. However, in desktop layout my PC still only allows me to use the capslock key as the Jaws key. I know you can manually change the Jaws key but can’t remember how to do it. Can anyone please remind me?

Kind regards

Zel

moderated Re: New computer specs

James Homuth
 

I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.


moderated Re: New computer specs

James Homuth
 

Eh, that's even less of a problem now if you're running Windows 10. Look up
"Fast Startup". Basically, "shut down" doesn't mean what it used to. Even if
you're running a mechanical drive if you want performance increases that'll
do it. That being said, if you need to restart your computer, turning it off
and back on again no longer does the trick unless that option's
disabled--you need to actually hit restart. To address the rest of your
point though, everything's relative. I haven't had to replace the mechanical
drive in this 4-year-old laptop yet. I did have to replace the drive in a
7-year-old desktop, and the replacement outlasted the desktop--it became an
external drive when the desktop gave up the ghost. On the other hand, your
SSD could fail tomorrow. The difference is when that goes, you're a lot more
pooched--the data recovery tricks of old won't work on it quite so well.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August-25-19 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hi,
The GPU does not free up the processor whatsoever and, in fact, is a
completely different animal than a processor.
The GPU in your machine may not, in fact, be used if you are getting 15
hours of batterylife. There is something called Optymous technology from
Nvidia that when used, allows the independent graphics card to power off
while the dedicated Intel HD graphics does its thing, and that sounds
exactly what is going on in your use case.
Few people seem to realize that shift f10 performs the exact same action as
applications key - and barring that, you can use sharp keys to remap a key
to the right of the space bar to that if you so choose.

Regarding the comment about an SSD not lasting long - I have a Toshiba
laptop here from 2012 that still has 85% of its life remaining. In that time
I have had 5 mechanical drives fail, without warning, and only 2 of which
made any actual noise to tell me so. These days if a laptop or computer in
general does not shut down, you will get a message popping up on screen from
your screen reader if you have it set to run at log on, telling you the
following programs are still running in the background and giving you the
option to shut down anyway or cancel. The benefits of a solid state drive to
batterylife and speed are so beyond amazing compared with a spinning
mechanical drive. Expect the machine to boot in less than 30 seconds
regardless what programs run at startup - add another 15 or 20, maybe, to
get said programs running. You can start using the machine as soon as the
screen reader is running, no more waiting to get to the desktop to check a
simple email or modify one line in a word document. Resuming from sleep
happens in less than 1.5 seconds these days.
Far more pluses than drawbacks, in my view.

Just my $.02!



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: August 25, 2019 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hi all,

Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I find they
often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself regularly, which is
very annoying!

I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so a
couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb ram. It
seems to be working well with minimal lags.

I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't have
all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an apps key and
I can't remember which key Dell didn't have.

In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB RAM and
upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb SSD storage, 15
hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the keys (except a numpad
which I don't need anyway).

It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing to
sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent graphics
card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent graphics cards
that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an independent graphics card
in order to free up the processor so I can do the things I need to do with
minimal lags.

I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar), and
whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test websites and
some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any that I like yet.

I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this helps
you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck.

Zel
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows 10 and
maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands and thousands
of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no need for anything
larger. Having said this when it comes to price and what you get for it a
500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb SSD seems to be in the
sweet spot right now.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some
web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was
dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was a
refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out to
be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time it
booted
up.
Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

Feliciano
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ones who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick
<andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should
make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew









moderated Re: New computer specs

Randy Barnett
 

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing  and I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose. Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz. But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.

moderated Re: New computer specs

Jason White
 

The reviews at notebookcheck.net appear to be thorough and informed. It's a good site for anyone contemplating a new laptop.

A screen reader such as JAWS inevitably consumes CPU time and memory resources. If the computer has more capacity than you need (which I would recommend - unless you're planning another purchase in the next three years), then this should raise any problems.

If it fits your budget, a laptop with an NVM Express SSD would be worth investigating. These are, as I understand it, considerably faster than drives connected via a traditional SATA interface. My current Windows laptop has NVM-Express.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 1:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hi Andrew,
Sorry for all of the messages from me in particular, but here is an example of a notebookcheck review of, in this case, the Think Book 13s.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkBook-13s-Laptop-Review-A-Business-
Laptop-but-no-TrackPoint.428235.0.html
Note that each part of the review is separated by headings. There are a few images which you can arrow past in these reviews, but overall you will get an idea.
I hope this helps in your research.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: August 25, 2019 12:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Don't worry about it. We are on the same page.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August 25, 2019 10:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hello David,
I'm still struggling to understand your point.
They do use it on a daily basis for youtube, Microsoft word/excel, and some music listening. Yet they don't store anything of value on the internal hard drive - their music is streamed via spotify (which, by the way, is accessible with jaws). My point being that use cases are different. I was in no way implying that he shouldn't get a larger drive, but what you or I may do may be far different than what someone else does, and therefore their storage needs might be different. Remember that daily web browsing and light office work doesn't add up to much space used in the grand scheme of things and even in the last 10 years that has hardly changed a bit. A bigger drive doesn't translate to faster speeds, either. Though with the prices of solid state drives decreasing I don't see a problem with 512 gb if you can afford it - years ago that could have made the price skyrocket, not so much anymore.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: August 25, 2019 12:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Tylor, sorry your post reminded me of a woman who years ago said she didn't need a car to get around. Why? Because she was getting other people to ferry her around. She was not even taking the bus, others would drive her around in their own vehicles. My cousin told her mother she could get by on
$20 worth of gas per month. She left out the fact that she was getting others to drive her around too. Anyone could make $20 in gas last for a month if it just sat in their drive. My point? If your parents don't use their computer that much they don't need a big hard drive. Btw, I too use an external hard drive and had a SSD installed in this computer, mainly because the drive was so old. It was so old that when I took it to a tech to see if it could be used as an external hard drive, I was told they could not recover anything on it. Which meant it was destined for the garbage, no use could ever be got out of it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August 25, 2019 9:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

You've certainly got a point there, but your use case may be far different than others. Some people don't use half of 128 gb, for example.
My parents have a Toshiba laptop from 2012 with a 256 gb drive. They haven't used half of it since they've had it - and that also includes their pictures and videos, though those are backed up to an external hard drive, which is my recommendation for most things people would like to keep long term.
That being said if you can afford to get 512 gb, it isn't a bad thing at all since this is an investment of your money and if this is going to be your primary machine, it might be worth your while.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 25, 2019 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

256GB is not all that much when you factor in OS/ software, files, media and back ups over a 6 year period. from devices.


Feliciano
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On Aug 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,
The GPU does not free up the processor whatsoever and, in fact, is a
completely different animal than a processor.
The GPU in your machine may not, in fact, be used if you are getting
15 hours of batterylife. There is something called Optymous technology
from Nvidia that when used, allows the independent graphics card to
power off while the dedicated Intel HD graphics does its thing, and
that sounds exactly what is going on in your use case.
Few people seem to realize that shift f10 performs the exact same
action as applications key - and barring that, you can use sharp keys
to remap a key to the right of the space bar to that if you so choose.

Regarding the comment about an SSD not lasting long - I have a Toshiba
laptop here from 2012 that still has 85% of its life remaining. In
that time I have had 5 mechanical drives fail, without warning, and
only 2 of which made any actual noise to tell me so. These days if a
laptop or computer in general does not shut down, you will get a
message popping up on screen from your screen reader if you have it
set to run at log on, telling you the following programs are still
running in the background and giving you the option to shut down
anyway or cancel. The benefits of a solid state drive to batterylife
and speed are so beyond amazing compared with a spinning mechanical
drive. Expect the machine to boot in less than 30 seconds regardless
what programs run at startup - add another 15 or 20, maybe, to get
said programs running. You can start using the machine as soon as the
screen reader is running, no more waiting to get to the desktop to
check a simple email or modify one line in a word document. Resuming
from
sleep happens in less than 1.5 seconds these days.
Far more pluses than drawbacks, in my view.

Just my $.02!



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: August 25, 2019 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hi all,

Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I
find they often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself
regularly, which is very annoying!

I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so
a couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb
ram. It seems to be working well with minimal lags.

I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't
have all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an
apps key and I can't remember which key Dell didn't have.

In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB
RAM and upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb
SSD storage, 15 hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the
keys (except a numpad which I don't need anyway).

It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing
to sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent
graphics card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent
graphics cards that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an
independent graphics card in order to free up the processor so I can
do the things I need to do with minimal lags.

I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar),
and whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test
websites and some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any
that I
like yet.

I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this
helps you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck.

Zel
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows
10 and maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands
and thousands of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no
need for anything larger. Having said this when it comes to price and
what you get for it a 500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb
SSD seems to be in the sweet spot right now.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn /
Lenny
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail,
open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and
listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he
was dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was
a refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out
to be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time
it booted
up.
Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano
G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow
www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v those who are crazy enough to think they
can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick
<andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I
should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew





















moderated Re: New computer specs

James Homuth
 

That used to be true in the early 2000's or so, but not so much now. There's
a reason most computer manufacturers don't offer you a warranty longer than
3 or 4 years. After about that long, your stuff gets left behind. A machine
that could run Vista or 7 may not be able to run 10. A machine that could
run XP may not be able to run Vista or 7. And good luck getting Windows 10
to run on a machine that was built back in the days of Windows 98. Apps,
Operating Systems, and all the rest are getting more demanding on resources
now. When they say you need a minimum of 4 GB to run Windows 10, they're not
kidding. And at 4 GB, you're running Windows 10 in ES mode. If you don't
want to be replacing your machine in 4 years, you need to plan for your
machine to be able to still keep up in 4 years. Most people... don't.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August-25-19 12:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

What affects a computer in opening programs is not all that RAM and
processor, it is how new it is.
As we install programs, Windows the operating system slows down.
Just remember how fast our current computer was when it was new.
If folks want a fast machine, keep one with very little installed on it and
use another one for all the apps.
Mark my words, you can get a fast processor, tons of RAM, and in a year, it
too will be slow, unless you don't install a bunch of programs on it.
Or you can save your critical data from the one you have, and restore it to
factory new and start over with it.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Zel Iscel" <zel@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


Hi all,

Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I find they

often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself regularly, which is
very annoying!

I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so a
couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb ram. It

seems to be working well with minimal lags.

I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't have
all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an apps key and
I can't remember which key Dell didn't have.

In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB RAM and
upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb SSD storage, 15

hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the keys (except a numpad
which I don't need anyway).

It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing to
sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent graphics
card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent graphics cards
that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an independent graphics card

in order to free up the processor so I can do the things I need to do with
minimal lags.

I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar), and
whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test websites and
some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any that I like yet.

I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this helps
you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck.

Zel
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows 10 and

maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands and thousands
of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no need for anything
larger. Having said this when it comes to price and what you get for it a
500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb SSD seems to be in the
sweet spot right now.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some

web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was
dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was a
refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out to
be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time it booted
up.
Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
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On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick
<andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should
make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew









moderated Re: New computer specs

Chris Hill
 

There really is too slow.  A client of mine, before she knew me, had to have a windows 7 machine as a new computer.  She bought what was available, when windows 7 was a rare bird indeed.  Talk about a miserable experience!  If one buys a recent generation of intel or amd processor, middle of the road, not the bottom end, they will likely be happy for many years.

On 8/25/2019 11:31, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
What affects a computer in opening programs is not all that RAM and processor, it is how new it is.
As we install programs, Windows the operating system slows down.
Just remember how fast our current computer was when it was new.
If folks want a fast machine, keep one with very little installed on it and use another one for all the apps.
Mark my words, you can get a fast processor, tons of RAM, and in a year, it too will be slow, unless you don't install a bunch of programs on it.
Or you can save your critical data from the one you have, and restore it to factory new and start over with it.
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- From: "Zel Iscel" <zel@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


Hi all,

Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I find they often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself regularly, which is very annoying!

I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so a couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb ram. It seems to be working well with minimal lags.

I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't have all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an apps key and I can't remember which key Dell didn't have.

In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB RAM and upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb SSD storage, 15 hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the keys (except a numpad which I don't need anyway).

It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing to sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent graphics card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent graphics cards that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an independent graphics card in order to free up the processor so I can do the things I need to do with minimal lags.

I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar), and whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test websites and some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any that I like yet.

I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this helps you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck.

Zel
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows 10 and maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands and thousands of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no need for anything larger. Having said this when it comes to price and what you get for it a 500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb SSD seems to be in the sweet spot right now.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much.  I think he was
dipping into some sort of sauce.  I received what I was told was a
refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive.  It turned out to
be a  windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time it booted up.
Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v
those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the
ones who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick
<andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should
make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew



















moderated Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Rick Mladek
 

The concern is the caller being able to hear jaws when they communicate with
this individual. If this is the result when both speak on the same side,
then the employer surely will have a problem with this. The only other
option would be braille display for the individual when still being able to
hear the caller undisturbed.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Here is the problem: we don't know what the final situation will be. He is
looking for a job in customer service. He needs to be able to demonstrate
that he can do the job with ... something. No vision and one ear is hard to
sell, unless of course he can point to a configured device and show how it
will work, perhaps with any system.

moderated Re: New computer specs

Glenn / Lenny
 

What affects a computer in opening programs is not all that RAM and processor, it is how new it is.
As we install programs, Windows the operating system slows down.
Just remember how fast our current computer was when it was new.
If folks want a fast machine, keep one with very little installed on it and use another one for all the apps.
Mark my words, you can get a fast processor, tons of RAM, and in a year, it too will be slow, unless you don't install a bunch of programs on it.
Or you can save your critical data from the one you have, and restore it to factory new and start over with it.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Zel Iscel" <zel@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


Hi all,

Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I find they often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself regularly, which is very annoying!

I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so a couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb ram. It seems to be working well with minimal lags.

I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't have all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an apps key and I can't remember which key Dell didn't have.

In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB RAM and upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb SSD storage, 15 hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the keys (except a numpad which I don't need anyway).

It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing to sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent graphics card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent graphics cards that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an independent graphics card in order to free up the processor so I can do the things I need to do with minimal lags.

I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar), and whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test websites and some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any that I like yet.

I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this helps you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck.

Zel
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows 10 and maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands and thousands of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no need for anything larger. Having said this when it comes to price and what you get for it a 500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb SSD seems to be in the sweet spot right now.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was
dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was a
refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out to
be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time it booted up.
Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v
those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the
ones who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick
<andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should
make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew









moderated Re: New computer specs

James Homuth
 

That depends if you're looking long-term or not. 2 years ago, you could get by if you brought your laptop to college on having 4 GB of RAM, even with a SSD. Now, the minimum specs for a college program up here say you need at least 8 GB. That's the minimum, so if you can spring for more, you probably should. And if you're in a more specialised program, like for example computer programming, should becomes must quick, fast and in a hurry.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August-25-19 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

For what most of us do with computers, I don't think we would see a difference between processors in terms of performance.
And with an SSD for the temp memory, all that RAM isn't even all that necessary.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler Wood" <tcwood12@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


I remember those days, though it has been quite some time.

Intel hd graphics is more than sufficient these days. I remember when having a dedicated GPU helped screen reader performance in web browsing - but this isn't the case any more - and if you have no use cases for a dedicated card, put that money towards warranty, more ram, or drive storage. Everyone goes on about how horrible Intel Atom processors are, but my t100, 5 years later, still gets 20 hours of batterylife, still does the basic tasks, and cost me less than $500 when I bought it. I will preach this. Solid state drives are 99% of your performance gains these days. Processors don't mean anything if you have a spinning drive to go along with them if you are being bottlenecked by your mechanical hard drive. That is not to say they are no longer valid. I back up to them regularly. But expect them to fail - solid state technology has come so far that this is far less likely with them, though it can still doubtlessly happen, just like anything else, and backing up is something far too many take for granted.
I'm very happy I got Lenovo 3 year on site and tech replacement warranty as well as accident protection. I got this machine at a fantastic price, though, otherwise I was looking at the Dell Latitude series. The really nice thing about this machine is despite how thin it is, the back comes off with just a few screws, and the ram, storage, wireless card, battery, and fans are readily available, which makes it nice and easy if I need anything replaced.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: August 25, 2019 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I recall that there were issues with graphics cards from ATI. most of the time, NVIDIA cards worked okay. but that hasn't been an issue for some time.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, August 25, 2019, 12:59 AM
Subject: New computer specs

The only reason to have the faster processors is if you are editing large audio or video files and multitasking with some processor heavy software, which most people do not do.
And, if I remember correctly; which may be a big if, those graphic cards he mentioned have been problematic with Jaws.
Unless he has some software that is requiring it, which would be surprising.
I will never go back to a standard HD drive after using my SSD drive now for a year.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:52 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,
This is completely, 100% true.
Although using a solid state drive in 2019 is almost a must - at least for those that have experienced one. But so far as other sspecs are concerned there are too many people out there that equate an i7 or i9 to being better and that simply isn't true for just about 99% of use case scenarios.
Now that I look back at the specs, what are you needing a dedicated Nvidia Graphics card for in particular? Intel hd graphics does just fine so far as Jaws is concerned.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August 24, 2019 11:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was a refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out to be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time it booted up.
Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

Feliciano
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On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew

moderated Re: New computer specs

Glenn / Lenny
 

For what most of us do with computers, I don't think we would see a
difference between processors in terms of performance.
And with an SSD for the temp memory, all that RAM isn't even all that
necessary.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler Wood" <tcwood12@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


I remember those days, though it has been quite some time.

Intel hd graphics is more than sufficient these days. I remember when having
a dedicated GPU helped screen reader performance in web browsing - but this
isn't the case any more - and if you have no use cases for a dedicated card,
put that money towards warranty, more ram, or drive storage. Everyone goes
on about how horrible Intel Atom processors are, but my t100, 5 years later,
still gets 20 hours of batterylife, still does the basic tasks, and cost me
less than $500 when I bought it. I will preach this. Solid state drives are
99% of your performance gains these days. Processors don't mean anything if
you have a spinning drive to go along with them if you are being
bottlenecked by your mechanical hard drive. That is not to say they are no
longer valid. I back up to them regularly. But expect them to fail - solid
state technology has come so far that this is far less likely with them,
though it can still doubtlessly happen, just like anything else, and backing
up is something far too many take for granted.
I'm very happy I got Lenovo 3 year on site and tech replacement warranty as
well as accident protection. I got this machine at a fantastic price,
though, otherwise I was looking at the Dell Latitude series. The really nice
thing about this machine is despite how thin it is, the back comes off with
just a few screws, and the ram, storage, wireless card, battery, and fans
are readily available, which makes it nice and easy if I need anything
replaced.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: August 25, 2019 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I recall that there were issues with graphics cards from ATI. most of the
time, NVIDIA cards worked okay. but that hasn't been an issue for some time.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, August 25, 2019, 12:59 AM
Subject: New computer specs

The only reason to have the faster processors is if you are editing large
audio or video files and multitasking with some processor heavy software,
which most people do not do.
And, if I remember correctly; which may be a big if, those graphic cards he
mentioned have been problematic with Jaws.
Unless he has some software that is requiring it, which would be surprising.
I will never go back to a standard HD drive after using my SSD drive now for
a year.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:52 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,
This is completely, 100% true.
Although using a solid state drive in 2019 is almost a must - at least for
those that have experienced one. But so far as other sspecs are concerned
there are too many people out there that equate an i7 or i9 to being better
and that simply isn't true for just about 99% of use case scenarios.
Now that I look back at the specs, what are you needing a dedicated Nvidia
Graphics card for in particular? Intel hd graphics does just fine so far as
Jaws is concerned.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August 24, 2019 11:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some
web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was
dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was a
refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out to be a
windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time it booted up.
Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

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who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make
certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew

moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

Jessica D
 

Hi, How do I join?
I'm very sad to hear about the closure of the other jaws list.
Why did this happen?

Thanks,
Jessica


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 24, 2019, at 10:47 PM, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedogis@...> wrote:

Here is an email being circulated widely. Hello Lists,

Michael Capelle recently started the jfw-users@groups.io list in response to
the closure of the jaws-users-list@groups.io list. I am the moderator of
this new list and am seeking new members in order to make it the best
resource possible for JAWS information.
I will do my best to keep topics on point while encouraging communication.
But we need as many JAWS savvy users as possible in order to have the best
knowledgebase. Hope to see you on the list.

Alan Lemly







moderated Re: New computer specs

Tyler Wood
 

Hi Andrew,
Sorry for all of the messages from me in particular, but here is an example
of a notebookcheck review of, in this case, the Think Book 13s.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkBook-13s-Laptop-Review-A-Business-
Laptop-but-no-TrackPoint.428235.0.html
Note that each part of the review is separated by headings. There are a few
images which you can arrow past in these reviews, but overall you will get
an idea.
I hope this helps in your research.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack
of dogs
Sent: August 25, 2019 12:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Don't worry about it. We are on the same page.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August 25, 2019 10:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hello David,
I'm still struggling to understand your point.
They do use it on a daily basis for youtube, Microsoft word/excel, and some
music listening. Yet they don't store anything of value on the internal
hard drive - their music is streamed via spotify (which, by the way, is
accessible with jaws). My point being that use cases are different. I was in
no way implying that he shouldn't get a larger drive, but what you or I may
do may be far different than what someone else does, and therefore their
storage needs might be different. Remember that daily web browsing and light
office work doesn't add up to much space used in the grand scheme of things
and even in the last 10 years that has hardly changed a bit. A bigger drive
doesn't translate to faster speeds, either. Though with the prices of solid
state drives decreasing I don't see a problem with 512 gb if you can afford
it - years ago that could have made the price skyrocket, not so much
anymore.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack
of dogs
Sent: August 25, 2019 12:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Tylor, sorry your post reminded me of a woman who years ago said she didn't
need a car to get around. Why? Because she was getting other people to
ferry her around. She was not even taking the bus, others would drive her
around in their own vehicles. My cousin told her mother she could get by on
$20 worth of gas per month. She left out the fact that she was getting
others to drive her around too. Anyone could make $20 in gas last for a
month if it just sat in their drive. My point? If your parents don't use
their computer that much they don't need a big hard drive. Btw, I too use an
external hard drive and had a SSD installed in this computer, mainly because
the drive was so old. It was so old that when I took it to a tech to see if
it could be used as an external hard drive, I was told they could not
recover anything on it. Which meant it was destined for the garbage, no use
could ever be got out of it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August 25, 2019 9:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

You've certainly got a point there, but your use case may be far different
than others. Some people don't use half of 128 gb, for example.
My parents have a Toshiba laptop from 2012 with a 256 gb drive. They haven't
used half of it since they've had it - and that also includes their pictures
and videos, though those are backed up to an external hard drive, which is
my recommendation for most things people would like to keep long term.
That being said if you can afford to get 512 gb, it isn't a bad thing at all
since this is an investment of your money and if this is going to be your
primary machine, it might be worth your while.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 25, 2019 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

256GB is not all that much when you factor in OS/ software, files, media and
back ups over a 6 year period. from devices.


Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v
those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones
who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,
The GPU does not free up the processor whatsoever and, in fact, is a
completely different animal than a processor.
The GPU in your machine may not, in fact, be used if you are getting
15 hours of batterylife. There is something called Optymous technology
from Nvidia that when used, allows the independent graphics card to
power off while the dedicated Intel HD graphics does its thing, and
that sounds exactly what is going on in your use case.
Few people seem to realize that shift f10 performs the exact same
action as applications key - and barring that, you can use sharp keys
to remap a key to the right of the space bar to that if you so choose.

Regarding the comment about an SSD not lasting long - I have a Toshiba
laptop here from 2012 that still has 85% of its life remaining. In
that time I have had 5 mechanical drives fail, without warning, and
only 2 of which made any actual noise to tell me so. These days if a
laptop or computer in general does not shut down, you will get a
message popping up on screen from your screen reader if you have it
set to run at log on, telling you the following programs are still
running in the background and giving you the option to shut down
anyway or cancel. The benefits of a solid state drive to batterylife
and speed are so beyond amazing compared with a spinning mechanical
drive. Expect the machine to boot in less than 30 seconds regardless
what programs run at startup - add another 15 or 20, maybe, to get
said programs running. You can start using the machine as soon as the
screen reader is running, no more waiting to get to the desktop to
check a simple email or modify one line in a word document. Resuming
from
sleep happens in less than 1.5 seconds these days.
Far more pluses than drawbacks, in my view.

Just my $.02!



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: August 25, 2019 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hi all,

Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I
find they often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself
regularly, which is very annoying!

I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so
a couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb
ram. It seems to be working well with minimal lags.

I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't
have all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an
apps key and I can't remember which key Dell didn't have.

In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB
RAM and upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb
SSD storage, 15 hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the
keys (except a numpad which I don't need anyway).

It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing
to sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent
graphics card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent
graphics cards that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an
independent graphics card in order to free up the processor so I can
do the things I need to do with minimal lags.

I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar),
and whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test
websites and some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any
that I
like yet.

I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this
helps you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck.

Zel
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows
10 and maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands
and thousands of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no
need for anything larger. Having said this when it comes to price and
what you get for it a 500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb
SSD seems to be in the sweet spot right now.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn /
Lenny
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail,
open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and
listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he
was dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was
a refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out
to be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time
it booted
up.
Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano
G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow
www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v those who are crazy enough to think they
can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick
<andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I
should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew





















moderated Re: New computer specs

David & his pack of dogs
 

Don't worry about it. We are on the same page.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August 25, 2019 10:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hello David,
I'm still struggling to understand your point.
They do use it on a daily basis for youtube, Microsoft word/excel, and some
music listening. Yet they don't store anything of value on the internal
hard drive - their music is streamed via spotify (which, by the way, is
accessible with jaws). My point being that use cases are different. I was in
no way implying that he shouldn't get a larger drive, but what you or I may
do may be far different than what someone else does, and therefore their
storage needs might be different. Remember that daily web browsing and light
office work doesn't add up to much space used in the grand scheme of things
and even in the last 10 years that has hardly changed a bit. A bigger drive
doesn't translate to faster speeds, either. Though with the prices of solid
state drives decreasing I don't see a problem with 512 gb if you can afford
it - years ago that could have made the price skyrocket, not so much
anymore.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack
of dogs
Sent: August 25, 2019 12:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Tylor, sorry your post reminded me of a woman who years ago said she didn't
need a car to get around. Why? Because she was getting other people to
ferry her around. She was not even taking the bus, others would drive her
around in their own vehicles. My cousin told her mother she could get by on
$20 worth of gas per month. She left out the fact that she was getting
others to drive her around too. Anyone could make $20 in gas last for a
month if it just sat in their drive. My point? If your parents don't use
their computer that much they don't need a big hard drive. Btw, I too use an
external hard drive and had a SSD installed in this computer, mainly because
the drive was so old. It was so old that when I took it to a tech to see if
it could be used as an external hard drive, I was told they could not
recover anything on it. Which meant it was destined for the garbage, no use
could ever be got out of it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August 25, 2019 9:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

You've certainly got a point there, but your use case may be far different
than others. Some people don't use half of 128 gb, for example.
My parents have a Toshiba laptop from 2012 with a 256 gb drive. They haven't
used half of it since they've had it - and that also includes their pictures
and videos, though those are backed up to an external hard drive, which is
my recommendation for most things people would like to keep long term.
That being said if you can afford to get 512 gb, it isn't a bad thing at all
since this is an investment of your money and if this is going to be your
primary machine, it might be worth your while.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 25, 2019 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

256GB is not all that much when you factor in OS/ software, files, media and
back ups over a 6 year period. from devices.


Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v
those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones
who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,
The GPU does not free up the processor whatsoever and, in fact, is a
completely different animal than a processor.
The GPU in your machine may not, in fact, be used if you are getting
15 hours of batterylife. There is something called Optymous technology
from Nvidia that when used, allows the independent graphics card to
power off while the dedicated Intel HD graphics does its thing, and
that sounds exactly what is going on in your use case.
Few people seem to realize that shift f10 performs the exact same
action as applications key - and barring that, you can use sharp keys
to remap a key to the right of the space bar to that if you so choose.

Regarding the comment about an SSD not lasting long - I have a Toshiba
laptop here from 2012 that still has 85% of its life remaining. In
that time I have had 5 mechanical drives fail, without warning, and
only 2 of which made any actual noise to tell me so. These days if a
laptop or computer in general does not shut down, you will get a
message popping up on screen from your screen reader if you have it
set to run at log on, telling you the following programs are still
running in the background and giving you the option to shut down
anyway or cancel. The benefits of a solid state drive to batterylife
and speed are so beyond amazing compared with a spinning mechanical
drive. Expect the machine to boot in less than 30 seconds regardless
what programs run at startup - add another 15 or 20, maybe, to get
said programs running. You can start using the machine as soon as the
screen reader is running, no more waiting to get to the desktop to
check a simple email or modify one line in a word document. Resuming
from
sleep happens in less than 1.5 seconds these days.
Far more pluses than drawbacks, in my view.

Just my $.02!



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: August 25, 2019 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hi all,

Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I
find they often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself
regularly, which is very annoying!

I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so
a couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb
ram. It seems to be working well with minimal lags.

I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't
have all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an
apps key and I can't remember which key Dell didn't have.

In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB
RAM and upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb
SSD storage, 15 hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the
keys (except a numpad which I don't need anyway).

It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing
to sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent
graphics card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent
graphics cards that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an
independent graphics card in order to free up the processor so I can
do the things I need to do with minimal lags.

I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar),
and whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test
websites and some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any
that I
like yet.

I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this
helps you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck.

Zel
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows
10 and maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands
and thousands of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no
need for anything larger. Having said this when it comes to price and
what you get for it a 500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb
SSD seems to be in the sweet spot right now.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn /
Lenny
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail,
open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and
listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he
was dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was
a refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out
to be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time
it booted
up.
Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano
G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow
www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v those who are crazy enough to think they
can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick
<andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I
should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew





















moderated Re: New computer specs

Tyler Wood
 

Hello David,
I'm still struggling to understand your point.
They do use it on a daily basis for youtube, Microsoft word/excel, and some
music listening. Yet they don't store anything of value on the internal
hard drive - their music is streamed via spotify (which, by the way, is
accessible with jaws). My point being that use cases are different. I was in
no way implying that he shouldn't get a larger drive, but what you or I may
do may be far different than what someone else does, and therefore their
storage needs might be different. Remember that daily web browsing and light
office work doesn't add up to much space used in the grand scheme of things
and even in the last 10 years that has hardly changed a bit. A bigger drive
doesn't translate to faster speeds, either. Though with the prices of solid
state drives decreasing I don't see a problem with 512 gb if you can afford
it - years ago that could have made the price skyrocket, not so much
anymore.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack
of dogs
Sent: August 25, 2019 12:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Tylor, sorry your post reminded me of a woman who years ago said she didn't
need a car to get around. Why? Because she was getting other people to
ferry her around. She was not even taking the bus, others would drive her
around in their own vehicles. My cousin told her mother she could get by on
$20 worth of gas per month. She left out the fact that she was getting
others to drive her around too. Anyone could make $20 in gas last for a
month if it just sat in their drive. My point? If your parents don't use
their computer that much they don't need a big hard drive. Btw, I too use an
external hard drive and had a SSD installed in this computer, mainly because
the drive was so old. It was so old that when I took it to a tech to see if
it could be used as an external hard drive, I was told they could not
recover anything on it. Which meant it was destined for the garbage, no use
could ever be got out of it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August 25, 2019 9:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

You've certainly got a point there, but your use case may be far different
than others. Some people don't use half of 128 gb, for example.
My parents have a Toshiba laptop from 2012 with a 256 gb drive. They haven't
used half of it since they've had it - and that also includes their pictures
and videos, though those are backed up to an external hard drive, which is
my recommendation for most things people would like to keep long term.
That being said if you can afford to get 512 gb, it isn't a bad thing at all
since this is an investment of your money and if this is going to be your
primary machine, it might be worth your while.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 25, 2019 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

256GB is not all that much when you factor in OS/ software, files, media and
back ups over a 6 year period. from devices.


Feliciano
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who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,
The GPU does not free up the processor whatsoever and, in fact, is a
completely different animal than a processor.
The GPU in your machine may not, in fact, be used if you are getting
15 hours of batterylife. There is something called Optymous technology
from Nvidia that when used, allows the independent graphics card to
power off while the dedicated Intel HD graphics does its thing, and
that sounds exactly what is going on in your use case.
Few people seem to realize that shift f10 performs the exact same
action as applications key - and barring that, you can use sharp keys
to remap a key to the right of the space bar to that if you so choose.

Regarding the comment about an SSD not lasting long - I have a Toshiba
laptop here from 2012 that still has 85% of its life remaining. In
that time I have had 5 mechanical drives fail, without warning, and
only 2 of which made any actual noise to tell me so. These days if a
laptop or computer in general does not shut down, you will get a
message popping up on screen from your screen reader if you have it
set to run at log on, telling you the following programs are still
running in the background and giving you the option to shut down
anyway or cancel. The benefits of a solid state drive to batterylife
and speed are so beyond amazing compared with a spinning mechanical
drive. Expect the machine to boot in less than 30 seconds regardless
what programs run at startup - add another 15 or 20, maybe, to get
said programs running. You can start using the machine as soon as the
screen reader is running, no more waiting to get to the desktop to
check a simple email or modify one line in a word document. Resuming
from
sleep happens in less than 1.5 seconds these days.
Far more pluses than drawbacks, in my view.

Just my $.02!



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: August 25, 2019 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hi all,

Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I
find they often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself
regularly, which is very annoying!

I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so
a couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb
ram. It seems to be working well with minimal lags.

I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't
have all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an
apps key and I can't remember which key Dell didn't have.

In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB
RAM and upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb
SSD storage, 15 hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the
keys (except a numpad which I don't need anyway).

It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing
to sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent
graphics card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent
graphics cards that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an
independent graphics card in order to free up the processor so I can
do the things I need to do with minimal lags.

I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar),
and whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test
websites and some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any
that I
like yet.

I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this
helps you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck.

Zel
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows
10 and maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands
and thousands of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no
need for anything larger. Having said this when it comes to price and
what you get for it a 500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb
SSD seems to be in the sweet spot right now.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn /
Lenny
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail,
open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and
listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he
was dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was
a refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out
to be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time
it booted
up.
Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano
G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow
www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v those who are crazy enough to think they
can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick
<andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I
should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew





















moderated Re: New computer specs

David & his pack of dogs
 

Tylor, sorry your post reminded me of a woman who years ago said she didn't
need a car to get around. Why? Because she was getting other people to
ferry her around. She was not even taking the bus, others would drive her
around in their own vehicles. My cousin told her mother she could get by on
$20 worth of gas per month. She left out the fact that she was getting
others to drive her around too. Anyone could make $20 in gas last for a
month if it just sat in their drive. My point? If your parents don't use
their computer that much they don't need a big hard drive. Btw, I too use an
external hard drive and had a SSD installed in this computer, mainly because
the drive was so old. It was so old that when I took it to a tech to see if
it could be used as an external hard drive, I was told they could not
recover anything on it. Which meant it was destined for the garbage, no use
could ever be got out of it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August 25, 2019 9:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

You've certainly got a point there, but your use case may be far different
than others. Some people don't use half of 128 gb, for example.
My parents have a Toshiba laptop from 2012 with a 256 gb drive. They haven't
used half of it since they've had it - and that also includes their pictures
and videos, though those are backed up to an external hard drive, which is
my recommendation for most things people would like to keep long term.
That being said if you can afford to get 512 gb, it isn't a bad thing at all
since this is an investment of your money and if this is going to be your
primary machine, it might be worth your while.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 25, 2019 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

256GB is not all that much when you factor in OS/ software, files, media and
back ups over a 6 year period. from devices.


Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v
those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones
who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,
The GPU does not free up the processor whatsoever and, in fact, is a
completely different animal than a processor.
The GPU in your machine may not, in fact, be used if you are getting
15 hours of batterylife. There is something called Optymous technology
from Nvidia that when used, allows the independent graphics card to
power off while the dedicated Intel HD graphics does its thing, and
that sounds exactly what is going on in your use case.
Few people seem to realize that shift f10 performs the exact same
action as applications key - and barring that, you can use sharp keys
to remap a key to the right of the space bar to that if you so choose.

Regarding the comment about an SSD not lasting long - I have a Toshiba
laptop here from 2012 that still has 85% of its life remaining. In
that time I have had 5 mechanical drives fail, without warning, and
only 2 of which made any actual noise to tell me so. These days if a
laptop or computer in general does not shut down, you will get a
message popping up on screen from your screen reader if you have it
set to run at log on, telling you the following programs are still
running in the background and giving you the option to shut down
anyway or cancel. The benefits of a solid state drive to batterylife
and speed are so beyond amazing compared with a spinning mechanical
drive. Expect the machine to boot in less than 30 seconds regardless
what programs run at startup - add another 15 or 20, maybe, to get
said programs running. You can start using the machine as soon as the
screen reader is running, no more waiting to get to the desktop to
check a simple email or modify one line in a word document. Resuming
from
sleep happens in less than 1.5 seconds these days.
Far more pluses than drawbacks, in my view.

Just my $.02!



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: August 25, 2019 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hi all,

Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I
find they often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself
regularly, which is very annoying!

I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so
a couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb
ram. It seems to be working well with minimal lags.

I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't
have all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an
apps key and I can't remember which key Dell didn't have.

In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB
RAM and upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb
SSD storage, 15 hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the
keys (except a numpad which I don't need anyway).

It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing
to sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent
graphics card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent
graphics cards that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an
independent graphics card in order to free up the processor so I can
do the things I need to do with minimal lags.

I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar),
and whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test
websites and some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any
that I
like yet.

I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this
helps you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck.

Zel
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows
10 and maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands
and thousands of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no
need for anything larger. Having said this when it comes to price and
what you get for it a 500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb
SSD seems to be in the sweet spot right now.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn /
Lenny
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail,
open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and
listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he
was dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was
a refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out
to be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time
it booted
up.
Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano
G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow
www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v those who are crazy enough to think they
can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick
<andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I
should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew





















moderated Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Tim Ford
 

Hi All,

I know this is a low-tech solution, but it is easy and cheap. Use a pair of
earbuds for JAWS, and put the phone headset on over that. Works like a
charm. If you find JAWS is too prominent, just take out one of the earbuds.

Tim Ford

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Is there a way to trick it so that JAWS and the phone come out of the
same ear? It's stereo, right? If I plug in a monaural adaptor would
that make both ears the same? Does the headset have a mike that
talks to the phone???
At 08:53 AM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
Plantronics does offer a duel channel headphone where you can listen to
jaws
on one side and the individual on the phone, on the other. I do have this
exact headset and it works excellently.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 9:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS and phone in the same input

Still looking for a way for someone to hear/speak into the phone and also
listen to JAWS at the same time. Will Plantronics do this, does anyone
know?

thanks