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moderated Re: unloading Chromevox

David Griffith
 

I  hit the same log jam  and simply turned it off. None of the keyboard shortcuts people said like control alt Z  etc. Worked for me.

In any case I am sure that I read  somewhere that Google are no longer developing Chrome Vox  apart from on their Chrome Book  models, advising people instead to use main stream screenreaders with Chrome.

 

I am no Chrome vox expert so someone else may correct me.

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Orlando Enrique Fiol via Groups.Io
Sent: 21 September 2019 17:39
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: unloading Chromevox

 

Hi all. Last night, I decided to play around with Chromevox. although

I got it going and was able to configure options, no hotkey actually

unloads it from running all the time with Chrome. For now, I've

disabled the extension, but that seems self-defeating, since I was

hoping to be able to unload whichever screen reader I was using and

use Chromevox on the fly. Is this possible?

 

 

Orlando Enrique Fiol

 

 

 

 

moderated Support for Windows 7 May ContinueBeyond January, After All

Gerald Levy
 

Well, for those of you who do not want to upgrade to Windows 10 just yet, there may be some good news.  A third-party company named 0 Patch plans to continue security updates for Windows 7 for home and business users after official MS support ends in January 2020:


https://www.ghacks.net/2019/09/21/0patch-to-support-windows-7-and-server-2008-r2-with-security-patches-after-official-support-end/


Gerald

moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Glenn / Lenny
 

Yeah, good example, and even XP is safe on-line if you go to sites you know are safe, like BARD for example, or a facebook page.
But unknown sites can run bad scripts that XP is not prepared to repel.
Also, some sites may not like the XP browsers.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon" <mt281820@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install


I guess it depends on what you want to do.
I have a machine using an old version of windows ten that Microsoft Disability screwed up, and can no longer be used online, but I do many things offline and so it works for all those things.
I also have a windows XP netbook which I still use when I travel to do simple documents but never goes online.
Again, I guess it just depends on what you are using it for.
Sharon


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 1:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Why would anyone want to deal with the crap of 10?
I've had it installed and I've used it, so I know about it.
If people don't do a lot of unknown sites, and just do eMail with caution, and just do things like BARD and DropBox for example, then why go through the pain of Microsoft's latest crap?
Some people still use XP carefully.
I'd say reckless mouse users are the most in danger with using an unsupported computer system.
click click click.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install


You don't want to do that. The short answer is no. Why would anyone want
to install an operating system that was released nearly ten years ago for
which it is next to impossible to get updates after the initial install?


On 9/21/2019 12:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to
custom
build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7 on this
new
machine.

moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Sharon
 

I guess it depends on what you want to do.
I have a machine using an old version of windows ten that Microsoft Disability screwed up, and can no longer be used online, but I do many things offline and so it works for all those things.
I also have a windows XP netbook which I still use when I travel to do simple documents but never goes online.
Again, I guess it just depends on what you are using it for.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 1:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Why would anyone want to deal with the crap of 10?
I've had it installed and I've used it, so I know about it.
If people don't do a lot of unknown sites, and just do eMail with caution, and just do things like BARD and DropBox for example, then why go through the pain of Microsoft's latest crap?
Some people still use XP carefully.
I'd say reckless mouse users are the most in danger with using an unsupported computer system.
click click click.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install


You don't want to do that. The short answer is no. Why would anyone want
to install an operating system that was released nearly ten years ago for
which it is next to impossible to get updates after the initial install?


On 9/21/2019 12:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to
custom
build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7 on this
new
machine.

moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Steve Matzura
 

Ah, understood.

On 9/21/2019 1:44 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
One can't, that is at a BIOS-like level, it is by guess and by golly.
I have used it successfully, but you need to make educated guesses on the number of arrows to make before entering on the choice.
Glenn

moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Glenn / Lenny
 

One can't, that is at a BIOS-like level, it is by guess and by golly.
I have used it successfully, but you need to make educated guesses on the number of arrows to make before entering on the choice.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install


But how do you use it accessibly?


On 9/21/2019 1:38 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
That is the drive selection for boot options on most computers.

moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Steve Matzura
 

But how do you use it accessibly?

On 9/21/2019 1:38 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
That is the drive selection for boot options on most computers.

moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Steve Matzura
 

There should not be a need to do anything special regarding the USB drive's bootability. The Microsoft Media Creation Tool handles that just fine.

On 9/21/2019 1:36 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Hi Rick,
Probably your USB drive is not set to be a bootable drive.
I would install Universal USB installer on it and install Talking Win PE and run the launcher that way.
Otherwise you may need to have someone set the flag on the USB drive to be bootable.

moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Glenn / Lenny
 

That is the drive selection for boot options on most computers.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install


Go into the system with F12? What is *that*?


No drive found? Maybe try a different USB port.


On 9/21/2019 1:06 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:
Hey all,

I've gone and set up the install with the USB disk. I do not have a large
enough DVD to put Windows 10 on so to be able to boot from the dvd drive.
When the boot begins, I go into the system with F12 and I go down to the USB
drive to boot from and I continuously am told no drive found. Any/All ideas
appreciated.

Rick

moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hi Rick,
Probably your USB drive is not set to be a bootable drive.
I would install Universal USB installer on it and install Talking Win PE and run the launcher that way.
Otherwise you may need to have someone set the flag on the USB drive to be bootable.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Mladek" <hmladek@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install


Hey all,

I've gone and set up the install with the USB disk. I do not have a large
enough DVD to put Windows 10 on so to be able to boot from the dvd drive.
When the boot begins, I go into the system with F12 and I go down to the USB
drive to boot from and I continuously am told no drive found. Any/All ideas
appreciated.

Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Ok, as long as it works for you, good. Just know there are lots of
potential problems waiting in the wings as both JAWS and the OS's move
forward.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan
Morison
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

1. It's the one that I'm used to after migrating from Windows XP which had a
bunch of blue screen errors.
2. I have JAWS 15 which is the latest one my Software Maintenance Agreement
supports.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan
Longmore
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Hi,
Narrator is not nearly as reliable with Windows 7. Is there a particular
reason you need 7?
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan
Morison
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to custom
build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7 on this new
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Yes, after the cd gbgoots up, you should be able to invoke narrator by
hitting control-windows-enter on most sound cards.

On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:23:18 -0400,
Rick Mladek wrote:

Hi all,

Is it possible to install Windows 10 into/onto a new not previously
used
hard drive, without sighted assistance?

Thank you,

Rick





--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...





















moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

I use JAWS for all my accessibility needs.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Well, I can see that.

How much do you use Jaws then? You could get by with NVDA or even Narrator
for that matter unless you are doing things that Jaws scripts are needed for.

But, if it works for you; just ignore those of us who use Windows 10 and have
the latest Jaws.

Best of luck,

Richard

?? Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan
Morison
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

I run it without updates, since that breaks compatibility with JAWS 15. I know
that seems strange, but it works just fine for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Matzura
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

You don't want to do that. The short answer is no. Why would anyone want to
install an operating system that was released nearly ten years ago for which
it is next to impossible to get updates after the initial install?


On 9/21/2019 12:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to
custom build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7
on this new machine.

moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Steve Matzura
 

I'll just say this: You're playing with your own data security here. If that's OK with you, if you really won't spend the extra money on an upgrade to your JAWS license and won't consider learning NVDA which is free and current, then I wish you the best. But don't expect me or anyone else who has cautioned you away from this choice not to say we told you so if something happens to your system or your data. Exploits to unpatched and un-updated Windows 7 are numerous and well-documented. Don't say we didn't warn you.

On 9/21/2019 12:28 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
I run it without updates, since that breaks compatibility with JAWS 15. I know
that seems strange, but it works just fine for me.

moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Glenn / Lenny
 

Don't let some on this list bully you into being afraid of using an older system.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install


1. It's the one that I'm used to after migrating from Windows XP which had a
bunch of blue screen errors.
2. I have JAWS 15 which is the latest one my Software Maintenance Agreement
supports.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan
Longmore
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Hi,
Narrator is not nearly as reliable with Windows 7. Is there a particular
reason you need 7?
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan
Morison
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to custom
build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7 on this new
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Yes, after the cd gbgoots up, you should be able to invoke narrator by
hitting control-windows-enter on most sound cards.

On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:23:18 -0400,
Rick Mladek wrote:

Hi all,

Is it possible to install Windows 10 into/onto a new not previously
used
hard drive, without sighted assistance?

Thank you,

Rick





--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...













moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Glenn / Lenny
 

Why would anyone want to deal with the crap of 10?
I've had it installed and I've used it, so I know about it.
If people don't do a lot of unknown sites, and just do eMail with caution, and just do things like BARD and DropBox for example, then why go through the pain of Microsoft's latest crap?
Some people still use XP carefully.
I'd say reckless mouse users are the most in danger with using an unsupported computer system.
click click click.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install


You don't want to do that. The short answer is no. Why would anyone want to install an operating system that was released nearly ten years ago for which it is next to impossible to get updates after the initial install?


On 9/21/2019 12:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to custom
build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7 on this new
machine.

moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Glenn / Lenny
 

Maybe she does not want 10, many folks don't want the pain involved with it.
Personally, 7 or 8 is all I'm planning on ever using.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Longmore" <danlongmore44@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install


Hi,
Narrator is not nearly as reliable with Windows 7. Is there a particular
reason you need 7?
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan
Morison
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to custom
build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7 on this new
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Yes, after the cd gbgoots up, you should be able to invoke narrator by
hitting control-windows-enter on most sound cards.

On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:23:18 -0400,
Rick Mladek wrote:

Hi all,

Is it possible to install Windows 10 into/onto a new not previously
used
hard drive, without sighted assistance?

Thank you,

Rick





--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...









moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Steve Matzura
 

Go into the system with F12? What is *that*?


No drive found? Maybe try a different USB port.

On 9/21/2019 1:06 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:
Hey all,

I've gone and set up the install with the USB disk. I do not have a large
enough DVD to put Windows 10 on so to be able to boot from the dvd drive.
When the boot begins, I go into the system with F12 and I go down to the USB
drive to boot from and I continuously am told no drive found. Any/All ideas
appreciated.

Rick

moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Glenn / Lenny
 

Annabelle,
You will need one of the talking WinPe images from my previous post in order to have speech during a Windows 7 or 8 install.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install


Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to custom
build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7 on this new
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Yes, after the cd gbgoots up, you should be able to invoke narrator by
hitting control-windows-enter on most sound cards.

On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:23:18 -0400,
Rick Mladek wrote:

Hi all,

Is it possible to install Windows 10 into/onto a new not previously used
hard drive, without sighted assistance?

Thank you,

Rick





--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...





moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Steve Matzura
 

If you're spending money for new hardware, treat it to some new software--upgrade your JAWS, or learn NVDA. Windows 7 is so no more.

On 9/21/2019 12:26 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
1. It's the one that I'm used to after migrating from Windows XP which had a
bunch of blue screen errors.
2. I have JAWS 15 which is the latest one my Software Maintenance Agreement
supports.

moderated Re: Irritating problems with JAWS 2018

Glenn / Lenny
 

Yeah, I have this problem more with 2019 than I did with 2018.
Maybe that problem came with the 2018 update that was fairly recent?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Maria Campbell" <lucky1inct@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: Irritating problems with JAWS 2018


I didn't have any focus problems with 18 that I recall, but I sure do with 19 now. That's why I'm trying out the 20 beta.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

On 9/21/2019 10:23 AM, Dan Longmore wrote:
Hi,
Sorry I can't help with the first but I can tell you that 2018 did have a lot of trouble with losing focus. A JAWS re boot at times fixed the problem for a time. Tabbing away and coming back is annoying but works. So far the issue is much less, if at all, in 2019. Yes, Freedom was aware of the issue.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of turab chimthanawala
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:27 AM
To: jfw <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Irritating problems with JAWS 2018

Dear all,
I use JAWS 2018 on a Win 10 machine. I am pissed off due to the following issues.
1. When Jaws is on, I can often use "g". While I know that there is some shortcut Windows + g for game bar: I continually have to turn that off. Any way to get rid of it permanently?
2. Jaws often loses focus while I am on the net. I have to press Alt + Tab twice to get the focus back.

Eagerly await solutions for these.

Thanks
Best
Turab





moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hi Rick,
Windows 10 allows one to boot up Narrator during setup, but personally, I'd still use the talking WinPe for Windows 10 at:
http://opopanax.net/download/
But I'm sure there is still the ability to use the unintended install txt file for Windows 10.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Mladek" <hmladek@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:23 AM
Subject: Operating System unassisted install


Hi all,

Is it possible to install Windows 10 into/onto a new not previously used hard drive, without sighted assistance?

Thank you,

Rick