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Pi symbol

ferretdance83 <ferretdance83@...>
 

I am using JAWS 10 with Vista. JAWS does not read the pi symbol in Microsoft Word or in emails/IE8. In fact, JAWS does not recognize the Symbol font at all. I can't fix this with the graphics labeler; tried, but fonts aren't graphics, apparently. Can I fix this with JAWS 10? Is this a problem in later versions as well?

With respect,

Lori Richardson
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Re: Unassisted windows 7 install

Darrell Bowles <DGBOWLES@...>
 

Well, actually, I am interested in creating an unassisted windows install,
as quite truly, There may come a time whare I might need to reinstall it.
Saying that this has nothing to do with jaws is not true. JAWS may not
come preinstalled like VoiceOver, but that has little to do with JAWS users
needing the help. Now, I used N Lite to create my answer file, and burned
my copy of windows to a disc like you're supposed to. What is supposed to
happen if the install worked, and what should I do after I insert the CD.
Also, what about the boot file inside the original CD?
Thanks,
Darrell

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 6:18 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Unassisted windows 7 install

Well, on the bright side, I don't need to explain to you why you've just
made the moderated list. Thank you for playing.

James,
List Admin

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Ben Humphreys
Sent: September-13-11 6:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Unassisted windows 7 install

James,

This seems like a heavy-handed solution to a thread that was seeing valuable
input from a lot of folks.

Frankly, someone else said "Chill" and I have to agree with them.

Ben

At 05:40 PM 9/13/2011, you wrote:
Your opinion is noted. This thread has been closed. If you want to
continue to take issue with it, mail me directly.

James,
List Admin

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: September 13, 2011 5:38 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Unassisted windows 7 install

James, no offence but do you think if I wasn't a jaws user I would have
subscribed to this list just to ask this question? Yes I get what you
are saying installing windows doesn't automatically mean you're going
to install jaws but I've been on this list for a long time now and
wouldn't have been if I wasn't a jaws user. My personal opinion is that
people mustn't even open mails if the topic doesn't concern them, if I
have to open every mail coming from this list I'll go crazy.

On 9/13/11, James Homuth <james@the-jdh.com> wrote:
The instalation of Windows, while yes is a prerequisit for the
instalation of JAWS, does not automatically lead to the instalation
of JAWS. It also
has
nothing to do with the overall functioning or operation of JAWS, due
to
the
fact that during that process, JAWS cannot and does not exist.
Therefore, this thread does not apply. You may discuss it if you
wish, however, off-list.

James,
List Admin

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Ben Humphreys
Sent: September 13, 2011 5:20 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Unassisted windows 7 install

I believe this is a JAWS issue and here's why:

Because JAWS does not come pre-loaded in a Windows install like
Voiceover does, there is a "bootstrapping" process that one must
endeavor to repeat in order to install Windows so that JAWS can then
be installed.

Generally, I'm in favor of keeping the list on topic, especially
when folks abuse the priviledge. But I don't think this is the case
here and there seems to be widespread interest in the topic, as it's
a situation faced by every JAWS user sooner or later.

Or so it seems to me.

Ben


At 12:57 PM 9/13/2011, you wrote:
This isn't a jaws issue, please take it to a more appropriate list
like blindtech.

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On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Unassisted windows 7 install

Hi want to find out if it's possible to install windows 7 without
sighted assistance? Can you switch on narrator or something with
some keystroke?

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research it in jaws 13

Alex Stone <alex.stone@...>
 

I've installed JAWS 13 today, and generally I think it's pretty good.
However, using Research It to look things up on Wikipedia, when I click the
"click this link" to see the full article, it is opened in Internet
explorer. I wouldn't have a problem with this, except that my default
browser is Firefox. In Jaws 12 the article would open in Firefox as I would
expect. I don't like Internet Explorer, so why are Freedom Scientific
forcing me to use it?

Cheers

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Re: A Script for Scripts

John Martyn
 

On a Mac, you can record actions like this with the applescript editor. Sounds interesting.
John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:11 AM
Subject: A Script for Scripts


All:
I thought I would share this idea with the list both to test the soundness of the idea and, perhaps, to determine whether something like this already exists. If it does, I am not aware of it.
There are a number of situations where it would be nice if I had a simple script to perform a number of otherwise repetitive tasks, principally just keystrokes. So, what I'm really talking about is a macro. One can, in fact, create a script which is little more than a series of keystrokes, a macro masquerading as a script. Unfortunately, to write such a script, one needs to go through the fairly tedious process of entering the keystrokes. Even when one uses the command list box, the process is tedious, at best.
So, here is my idea.
What if some clever person were to write a script which, when activated, simply recorded keystrokes? Those keystrokes would then be written into a plain old text file, one that could be accessed with the Notepad ?
The keystrokes would be written in Jaws script format. Once the desired series of keystrokes were completed, one could turn off the key recorder script.
Then, one could go to the script manager with in JAWS, create a new script, assign a keystroke to it, and then paste in the recorded keystrokes.
That would be yet. In effect, the macro would become a script.
Of course, once in the script manager, one could add other commands such as the command to turn the voice off and turn it back on again. The point is that this process would make script writing really easy. Now, if someone is in the business of writing scripts, why would they want to write something like this?
My argument is that this script, the key recorder script, would not detract from the market for real scripts that do complicated things like reading the attributions of a Windows object. I will leave those scripts to those with the time, inclination, training, and ability to do so.
The simple macro like scripts, however, I think I can do myself, and with a tool like that described above, I would do it.
I realize there are separate programs that one can run to record and playback a series of keystrokes. I am just reluctant to add one more layer of complexity to my already too complicated computer by adding yet another program running in the background. Somehow, I don't think of a compiled script as adding that much complexity.



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Re: Strange problem with Jaws and Microsoft Word

Dave...
 

Tom,

Depending on your version of Word, there are different ways to get at this.
But somewhere in options there are checkboxes to control what characters
Word will display, and I think a blank is one of them.

Also there may be a setting in the text page of the Settings Center to
handle this, or perhaps in the Key Labels page, where you can mute or unmute
the speaking of a spacebar press.

A few areas to browse around in.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: "Jaws users e-mail list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 15:08
Subject: Strange problem with Jaws and Microsoft Word


Hi, all.

I have just noticed a strange problem when using Jaws with my work computer
when in Microsoft Word.

When I am editing a document, all of the other characters speak except for
the space. In other words, when I hit the space bar, nothing happens. It
used to be that Jaws would say "blank", to indicate the existence of a blank
space.

I have never seen this happen before, and can't imagine why Jaws will not
speak this character.

Does anyone have suggestions for correcting this?

Just for the record, I'm using Jaws 11 with Windows XP and office 2007 at
work.

Thanks!

Tom from Michigan



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Re: Enhancements in JAWS 13

Dave...
 

Holger,

That's sort of my cynical viewpoint, as well. And if that's true, then they
do no benefit to us to list something they have "looked at" but not
"resolved".

frankly I think it's just the different writing styles of two different
people generating the list.

Rather robotics reading, so good if you have insomnia.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 14:54
Subject: Re: Enhancements in JAWS 13


I take the first means they fixed it and the next they had a meeting on it
to fix it. I think.

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Enhancements in JAWS 13

Okay, I had to peek. Can anyone tell me what's the difference (if there is
one) between their repeated phrases: "Resolved an issue" and "Addressed an
issue"

Does one mean they fixed it and the other that they acknowledged it?

They use these praises ad nauseum in the list, and no, I'm not going to send
a message to support@freedomscientific.com just to get a blank stare in
return.

Aside from that, it sound like they may have "resolved" some "issues" that
I've had with Excel, but not sure if all my personally-reported "issues"
have been "addressed" to my satisfaction. Saw that MS-Access 2007 got a
single-line honorable mention - hope eternal!

I may do the obviously stupid thing and install this some time tonight, just
out of morbid curiosity. If you don't hear anything from me for a couple
weeks, then it means JAWS 13 ate my computer.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.

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Strange problem with Jaws and Microsoft Word

Tom Behler
 

Hi, all.

I have just noticed a strange problem when using Jaws with my work computer when in Microsoft Word.

When I am editing a document, all of the other characters speak except for the space. In other words, when I hit the space bar, nothing happens. It used to be that Jaws would say "blank", to indicate the existence of a blank space.

I have never seen this happen before, and can't imagine why Jaws will not speak this character.

Does anyone have suggestions for correcting this?

Just for the record, I'm using Jaws 11 with Windows XP and office 2007 at work.

Thanks!

Tom from Michigan


Beta 13

Holger Fiallo <holgerfiallo@...>
 

For those who are using beta 13, Do you noticed that jaws takes longer to start after you restart your PC? I noticed this with my PC. It does not happen with JFW 12.
Holger Fiallo
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Re: Enhancements in JAWS 13

Holger Fiallo <holgerfiallo@...>
 

I take the first means they fixed it and the next they had a meeting on it to fix it. I think.

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Enhancements in JAWS 13

Okay, I had to peek. Can anyone tell me what's the difference (if there is
one) between their repeated phrases: "Resolved an issue" and "Addressed an
issue"

Does one mean they fixed it and the other that they acknowledged it?

They use these praises ad nauseum in the list, and no, I'm not going to send
a message to support@freedomscientific.com just to get a blank stare in
return.

Aside from that, it sound like they may have "resolved" some "issues" that
I've had with Excel, but not sure if all my personally-reported "issues"
have been "addressed" to my satisfaction. Saw that MS-Access 2007 got a
single-line honorable mention - hope eternal!

I may do the obviously stupid thing and install this some time tonight, just
out of morbid curiosity. If you don't hear anything from me for a couple
weeks, then it means JAWS 13 ate my computer.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.

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Re: Enhancements in JAWS 13

Cristóbal
 

So far, the over all incredible sluggishness is gone. In fact, Firefox feels
quite responsive and no more speech delays when doig an alt tab, etc. I may
have to play with it in IE too, but so far, Mozilla's doing ok. A couple of
buggy things, but nothing over the top bad.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Enhancements in JAWS 13

Okay, I had to peek. Can anyone tell me what's the difference (if there is
one) between their repeated phrases: "Resolved an issue" and "Addressed an
issue"

Does one mean they fixed it and the other that they acknowledged it?

They use these praises ad nauseum in the list, and no, I'm not going to send

a message to support@freedomscientific.com just to get a blank stare in
return.

Aside from that, it sound like they may have "resolved" some "issues" that
I've had with Excel, but not sure if all my personally-reported "issues"
have been "addressed" to my satisfaction. Saw that MS-Access 2007 got a
single-line honorable mention - hope eternal!

I may do the obviously stupid thing and install this some time tonight, just

out of morbid curiosity. If you don't hear anything from me for a couple
weeks, then it means JAWS 13 ate my computer.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.

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Enhancements in JAWS 13

Dave...
 

Okay, I had to peek. Can anyone tell me what's the difference (if there is
one) between their repeated phrases: "Resolved an issue" and "Addressed an
issue"

Does one mean they fixed it and the other that they acknowledged it?

They use these praises ad nauseum in the list, and no, I'm not going to send
a message to support@freedomscientific.com just to get a blank stare in
return.

Aside from that, it sound like they may have "resolved" some "issues" that
I've had with Excel, but not sure if all my personally-reported "issues"
have been "addressed" to my satisfaction. Saw that MS-Access 2007 got a
single-line honorable mention - hope eternal!

I may do the obviously stupid thing and install this some time tonight, just
out of morbid curiosity. If you don't hear anything from me for a couple
weeks, then it means JAWS 13 ate my computer.

Dave Carlson

From my Dell Latitude 630.


Re: Unassisted windows 7 install

inthane <inthaneelf@...>
 

hey folks, our list owner has twice called this off topic, agree or not is not the question, but know this, your question will be gladly answered spoken of and is on topic on the blind windows 7 list:
blindwindows7-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
or on, blind geek zone:
blindgeekzone-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
or most definitely on my/our blind access help list:
blindaccesshelp-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
I have several others as well that I can toss to you if you ask me off list, since the list owner requires it.

good luck,
elf
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
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for blind computer users and Programmers!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: Unassisted windows 7 install


Thank you Ben. We all use windows but have to install windows in order
to install jaws and it's not as if we subscribed to this list just to
ask this question, I'm a jaws user like everybody else on this list. I
think people on the list should chil, if a topic doesn't concern you,
why do you open the mail in the first place.
Nickus

On 9/13/11, Ben Humphreys <brh@opticinspiration.org> wrote:
I believe this is a JAWS issue and here's why:

Because JAWS does not come pre-loaded in a Windows install like
Voiceover does, there is a "bootstrapping" process that one must
endeavor to repeat in order to install Windows so that JAWS can then
be installed.

Generally, I'm in favor of keeping the list on topic, especially when
folks abuse the priviledge. But I don't think this is the case here
and there seems to be widespread interest in the topic, as it's a
situation faced by every JAWS user sooner or later.

Or so it seems to me.

Ben


At 12:57 PM 9/13/2011, you wrote:
This isn't a jaws issue, please take it to a more appropriate list like
blindtech.

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On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Unassisted windows 7 install

Hi want to find out if it's possible to install windows 7 without
sighted assistance? Can you switch on narrator or something with some
keystroke?

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Re: A Script for Scripts

Christopher Bartlett <themusicalbrewer@...>
 

A valid consideration I hadn't thought of..

Chris Bartlett

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:53 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: A Script for Scripts

Good point.
There is, however, one big difference. Here, and I think most big
organizations work the same, one cannot just load any application on a
company computer.
I can install scripts without having to get the IT department to sign off on
them or wait 6 months for the IT department to approve and "white list" the
application or get an administrator to install.


Re: JAWS 13 Public Beta Download Now Available

Dave...
 

Eeeek!

Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:31
Subject: JAWS 13 Public Beta Download Now Available



It's official. You can now download the public beta of JAWS 13. Have a
good time!

http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-public-beta.asp

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Re: Shift Enter: New Browser Window Doesn't Always Work

Stan Holdeman
 

I also have this problem with jaws 12 with my local Fort Wayne newspaper
site. I assume it is more a website problem than a jaws problem since it is
only on that site.

It helps to arrow up or down and back to the link I want to help establish
focus.

Stan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Samara Raine" <samararaine@gmail.com>
To: "JFW Mailing List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:59 PM
Subject: Shift Enter: New Browser Window Doesn't Always Work


Hey guys. I'm running jaws 11 on windows xp. When I'm on the net and try to
use the shift+enter command to open a new browser window, it works, but it
also activates the link in the window I just left. This, obviously,
completely negates the point for me to open a new window in the first place.
It only happens sometimes, though, and not all.

The site I'm having trouble with is
http://www.hexrpg.com
In the forums. If I click on a thread title using shift+enter, the link
activates in both windows. It didn't always do this, which is why I'm
writing here. Any of you have any suggestions? I've tried restarting jaws,
restarting my computer, running scans, etc. Nothing's working. Any help
would be greatly appreciated. I really do need this command.

Samara
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JAWS 13 Public Beta Download Now Available

Gerald Levy
 

It's official. You can now download the public beta of JAWS 13. Have a good time!

http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-public-beta.asp

Gerald

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Shift Enter: New Browser Window Doesn't Always Work

Samara Raine <samararaine@...>
 

Hey guys. I'm running jaws 11 on windows xp. When I'm on the net and try to use the shift+enter command to open a new browser window, it works, but it also activates the link in the window I just left. This, obviously, completely negates the point for me to open a new window in the first place. It only happens sometimes, though, and not all.

The site I'm having trouble with is
http://www.hexrpg.com
In the forums. If I click on a thread title using shift+enter, the link activates in both windows. It didn't always do this, which is why I'm writing here. Any of you have any suggestions? I've tried restarting jaws, restarting my computer, running scans, etc. Nothing's working. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I really do need this command.

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Re: A Script for Scripts

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Good point.
There is, however, one big difference. Here, and I think most big organizations work the same, one cannot just load any application on a company computer.
I can install scripts without having to get the IT department to sign off on them or wait 6 months for the IT department to approve and "white list" the application or get an administrator to install.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:22 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: A Script for Scripts

I understand not wanting to add another layer of program running in the
background, but in reality, a jaws script is in fact another program running
in the background, intercepting and interpreting input, modifying output
etc. If you run HotSpotClicker, which is a set of Jaws scripts, you are in
fact altering the way you interact with whatever program you're using HSC
with. This is no different than AutoHotKeys or its ilk. I think there is a
distinction without a difference here.

Chris Bartlett



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Re: A Script for Scripts

Christopher Bartlett <themusicalbrewer@...>
 

I understand not wanting to add another layer of program running in the
background, but in reality, a jaws script is in fact another program running
in the background, intercepting and interpreting input, modifying output
etc. If you run HotSpotClicker, which is a set of Jaws scripts, you are in
fact altering the way you interact with whatever program you're using HSC
with. This is no different than AutoHotKeys or its ilk. I think there is a
distinction without a difference here.

Chris Bartlett


Re: Apple accessibility email

Gary King
 

Nickus,
I think quite a number of us can use iTunes without scripts. Scripts are not only written to make programs accessible; they are also written to make programs easier to use. I like to get things done in iTunes with good speech feedback and without wearing out my Tab key.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility email


Plesure John. One thing I find funney though is that I'm using the
latest itunes on windows 7 jaws 12 without any scripts and without any
problems. I understand I am one of only a lucky few who's able to use
it without scripts.

On 9/14/11, Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@msn.com> wrote:
John has done great work in writing scripts for Itunes which a large number
of JAWS users are now using. His work has been for free and he has spent a
lot of time on the project and intends to expand his list of scripts even
further so I think the least the jaws list can do is to support him by just
giving him the information he needs rather than questioning it.

Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 11:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility email


Please explain how this is even remotely related to JAWS. Since when did
the discussion of Apple products on this list become permisible? Have you
perhaps written some scripts that will make JAWS work on a Mac?

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: <blindtunesbeta@freelists.org>; "The Jaws for Windows support mailing
list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:58 PM
Subject: Apple accessibility email


Hi folks,
Sorry to be a bother but I have misplaced the accessibility email for
apple or iTunes. We aretrying to get apple's attention through as many
channels as we can.
We're also trying to get in touch with Stevie Wonder who made the push for

iPods to be voice over, or at least he helped.
If someone has the email for apple's accessibility that would be great.
Thanks,
John
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