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Re: Word Press

John ESherrer
 

The first page I tried to upload had no graphics, but it is supposed to
automatically deal with graphics.
It will take some time to get it down. I was hoping for some help from
JAWS, but so far that is not the case.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Cliff Self
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 8:29 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Word Press

I asked the same question and got no answer, so I suspect the answer is no.
When searching for scripts I found some tutorials on managing WordPress
widgits with Jaws. You can probably find them by searching for those terms.

However, the program is extremely graphical. I've had to ask my sighted
wife to manage my website for me.

Cliff

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 6:03 PM
Subject: Word Press


Hi JAWS Users
Is their a script written for Word Press?
I am using JAWS 12 with W7.
John Sherrer


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Re: SMA Notice

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello Dave;

I did contact Freedom Scientific,
And indeed, one can update the dongle.
They did send me a file, so, I just need to do the appropriate steps.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 4:45 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Ted,

You mention the Kenwood manual. I'm presuming that it's in a "no text on
page" PDF? Bear in mind that the Convenient OCR will only allow you to read
each page, and not allow you to save the conversion. I didn't want your
expectations to be too high.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 13:35
Subject: RE: SMA Notice


Thought so. I was born at night, but not lass night. Anyway, I now
have the disk in my hot little hand, and will get after it tomorrow.
I'll probably have to initially deactivate, given past experience, and
I'd like to see how it does with Access, but, one way or the other, I
think I'm finally good to go. I've got an old Kenwood manual that ought
to be a great test for the OCR.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Dongle doesn't replace the SMA. It doesn't replace purchasing any new
versions. It only replaces the ILM authorization scheme. Removes the
need to
authorize using an ILM key.
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 04:56
Subject: RE: SMA Notice


Are you saying those don't' have to be renewed? I would never have
thought of that. Just look at what a SMA costs, compared to the price
of such a one-time purchase.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:27 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over

US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert
the
use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They

guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never
paid
much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate"
under
the
Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here
I
just
purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying
non-authorization
issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least
to
two
people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there
are
reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I
support
it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a
single
user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for
the
same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a
PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license
to
run
a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the
computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense,
you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has
JAWS
installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had
no
way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when
I
bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes
apparently
includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are
supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test
as
I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was
hoping
to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to
upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed
JAWS
is
included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite
legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and options with
this
feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to
stay
current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments
that FS
makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd
keep
being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to
reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to
broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from
a
demo
copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate
(if
you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because
my
daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same
as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay
for
now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on
a
desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just
plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a
paid
copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to
look to
the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had
to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that
there
is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5
and
JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying
to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the
nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I
got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15
would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100
less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar
in all this, but still...


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Re: SMA Notice

Dave...
 

Ted,

You mention the Kenwood manual. I'm presuming that it's in a "no text on
page" PDF? Bear in mind that the Convenient OCR will only allow you to read
each page, and not allow you to save the conversion. I didn't want your
expectations to be too high.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 13:35
Subject: RE: SMA Notice


Thought so. I was born at night, but not lass night. Anyway, I now
have the disk in my hot little hand, and will get after it tomorrow.
I'll probably have to initially deactivate, given past experience, and
I'd like to see how it does with Access, but, one way or the other, I
think I'm finally good to go. I've got an old Kenwood manual that ought
to be a great test for the OCR.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Dongle doesn't replace the SMA. It doesn't replace purchasing any new
versions. It only replaces the ILM authorization scheme. Removes the
need to
authorize using an ILM key.
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 04:56
Subject: RE: SMA Notice


Are you saying those don't' have to be renewed? I would never have
thought of that. Just look at what a SMA costs, compared to the price
of such a one-time purchase.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:27 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over

US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert
the
use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They

guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never
paid
much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate"
under
the
Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here
I
just
purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying
non-authorization
issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least
to
two
people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there
are
reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I
support
it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a
single
user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for
the
same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a
PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license
to
run
a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the
computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense,
you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has
JAWS
installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had
no
way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when
I
bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes
apparently
includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are
supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test
as
I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was
hoping
to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to
upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed
JAWS
is
included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite
legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and options with
this
feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to
stay
current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments
that FS
makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd
keep
being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to
reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to
broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from
a
demo
copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate
(if
you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because
my
daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same
as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay
for
now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on
a
desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just
plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a
paid
copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to
look to
the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had
to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that
there
is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5
and
JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying
to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the
nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I
got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15
would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100
less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar
in all this, but still...


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Re: SMA Notice

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Thought so. I was born at night, but not lass night. Anyway, I now
have the disk in my hot little hand, and will get after it tomorrow.
I'll probably have to initially deactivate, given past experience, and
I'd like to see how it does with Access, but, one way or the other, I
think I'm finally good to go. I've got an old Kenwood manual that ought
to be a great test for the OCR.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Dongle doesn't replace the SMA. It doesn't replace purchasing any new
versions. It only replaces the ILM authorization scheme. Removes the
need to
authorize using an ILM key.
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 04:56
Subject: RE: SMA Notice


Are you saying those don't' have to be renewed? I would never have
thought of that. Just look at what a SMA costs, compared to the price
of such a one-time purchase.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:27 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over

US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert
the
use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They

guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never
paid
much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate"
under
the
Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here
I
just
purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying
non-authorization
issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least
to
two
people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there
are
reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I
support
it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a
single
user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for
the
same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a
PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license
to
run
a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the
computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense,
you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has
JAWS
installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had
no
way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when
I
bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes
apparently
includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are
supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test
as
I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was
hoping
to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to
upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed
JAWS
is
included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite
legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and options with
this
feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to
stay
current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments
that FS
makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd
keep
being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to
reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to
broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from
a
demo
copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate
(if
you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because
my
daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same
as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay
for
now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on
a
desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just
plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a
paid
copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to
look to
the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had
to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that
there
is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5
and
JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying
to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the
nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I
got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15
would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100
less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar
in all this, but still...


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Re: SMA Notice

Dave...
 

David,

Give FS a call. I also see 0 updates remaining, but that is a record of what
I've purchased or renewed via SMA -- nothing to do with authorization keys
on the web.

BTW I've already purchased SMA for 14 and 15 and still I show 0 updates. So
it means that at some point it magically changes to 2, but I sure don't know
how or when.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 09:12
Subject: RE: SMA Notice


Hi Dave,
Yes I understand your logic,
However, I got this dongle with jaws 10,
So I had authorization with 10 11 12,
So, now, I just recently updated my sma to 13 with one more update.

I have 4 computers here,
One is specificly for testing,
I'm running 10 11 12 versions, on this machine.
When 12 is loaded,
The jaws dongle shows
0 updates,
So I cannot authorize jaws13 using the dongle.
This is why I ask,
When I go and check, I see;
About JAWS
JAWS
Job Access With Speech
Version 12.0.1170
Serial Number : ...... Special Update Code...
Locking Code: ...
Software Maintenance Agreement
Upgrades Remaining: 0
Remote Access: Disabled
Tandem Direct: Disabled
Authorized using a Dongle.
Display Device:
Mobile Intel(R) 965 Express Chipset Family (WDDM)
My question is regarding,
Special update code ...


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:44 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

David,

Again the dongle allows you to legitimately authorize a legitimate copy of
JAWS on your machine, and removes the need to go through the on-line ILM
authorization scheme. To me it makes no sense that it would need to be
updated. It is linked to my serial number, so I guard it against anyone else
making use of it. I think a good use of a dongle would be in setting up
other computers and/or providing some training/introduction to JAWS for
others on their machines. Once I the installer/tutor leaves and takes the
dongle with me, the student/customer needs to make any necessary
remuneration to make their installed copy of JAWS authorized.

Note that I purchased the dongle when I had JAWS 12, before JAWS 13 came
out. So one would wonder if I needed to update the dongle in order for JAWS
13 to work with it -- it is not the case. I've now installed JAWS 13 on that
machine, and it runs with the dongle as its authorization just fine with no
complaints. It's handy, too. I have just installed a new Blue-Ray burner in
my DAW, and of course it changed my hardware locking code and JAWS 13 came
up in 40-minute mode. I plugged in the dongle and re-loaded JAWS. All is
fine now. So that is an extremely good demonstration of the usefulness of
the dongle, since I installed the burner on Friday evening.

I do have one ILM authorization left but I don't want to burn it yet, until
I've completed all the hardware changes on my DAW and I'm sure it's static
again.

Then I'll use the FSActivate to re-authorize both JAWS and Opoenbook 9. Then
since my JAWS keys will be down to 0 I'll send in a request to FS to bump up
my keys again. I've been burning a few lately with Windows 7 coming to my
laptop, and all the hardware I've been changing on my DAW.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 07:55
Subject: RE: SMA Notice


Hello Dave,

Can a dongle be updated?

I recently updated my SMA, on home computer,
So, I'm wondering if I can apply the update to my dongle?
Or, do I just use the thumb drive downloadable files from fs,



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Dongle doesn't replace the SMA. It doesn't replace purchasing any new
versions. It only replaces the ILM authorization scheme. Removes the need to
authorize using an ILM key.
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 04:56
Subject: RE: SMA Notice


Are you saying those don't' have to be renewed? I would never have thought
of that. Just look at what a SMA costs, compared to the price of such a
one-time purchase.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:27 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over

US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert the
use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They

guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never
paid
much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate"
under
the
Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here
I
just
purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying
non-authorization
issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least
to
two
people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there
are
reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I
support
it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a
single
user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for
the
same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a
PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license
to
run
a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the
computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense,
you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has
JAWS
installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had
no
way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when
I
bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes
apparently
includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are
supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test
as
I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was
hoping
to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to
upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed
JAWS
is
included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite
legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and options with
this
feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to
stay
current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments
that FS
makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd
keep
being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to
reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to
broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from
a
demo
copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate
(if
you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because
my
daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same
as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay
for
now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on
a
desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just
plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a
paid
copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to
look to
the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had
to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that
there
is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5
and
JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying
to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the
nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I
got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15
would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100
less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar
in all this, but still...


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Re: SMA Notice

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hi Dave,
Yes I understand your logic,
However, I got this dongle with jaws 10,
So I had authorization with 10 11 12,
So, now, I just recently updated my sma to 13 with one more update.

I have 4 computers here,
One is specificly for testing,
I'm running 10 11 12 versions, on this machine.
When 12 is loaded,
The jaws dongle shows
0 updates,
So I cannot authorize jaws13 using the dongle.
This is why I ask,
When I go and check, I see;
About JAWS
JAWS
Job Access With Speech
Version 12.0.1170
Serial Number : ...... Special Update Code...
Locking Code: ...
Software Maintenance Agreement
Upgrades Remaining: 0
Remote Access: Disabled
Tandem Direct: Disabled
Authorized using a Dongle.
Display Device:
Mobile Intel(R) 965 Express Chipset Family (WDDM)
My question is regarding,
Special update code ...

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:44 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

David,

Again the dongle allows you to legitimately authorize a legitimate copy of
JAWS on your machine, and removes the need to go through the on-line ILM
authorization scheme. To me it makes no sense that it would need to be
updated. It is linked to my serial number, so I guard it against anyone else
making use of it. I think a good use of a dongle would be in setting up
other computers and/or providing some training/introduction to JAWS for
others on their machines. Once I the installer/tutor leaves and takes the
dongle with me, the student/customer needs to make any necessary
remuneration to make their installed copy of JAWS authorized.

Note that I purchased the dongle when I had JAWS 12, before JAWS 13 came
out. So one would wonder if I needed to update the dongle in order for JAWS
13 to work with it -- it is not the case. I've now installed JAWS 13 on that
machine, and it runs with the dongle as its authorization just fine with no
complaints. It's handy, too. I have just installed a new Blue-Ray burner in
my DAW, and of course it changed my hardware locking code and JAWS 13 came
up in 40-minute mode. I plugged in the dongle and re-loaded JAWS. All is
fine now. So that is an extremely good demonstration of the usefulness of
the dongle, since I installed the burner on Friday evening.

I do have one ILM authorization left but I don't want to burn it yet, until
I've completed all the hardware changes on my DAW and I'm sure it's static
again.

Then I'll use the FSActivate to re-authorize both JAWS and Opoenbook 9. Then
since my JAWS keys will be down to 0 I'll send in a request to FS to bump up
my keys again. I've been burning a few lately with Windows 7 coming to my
laptop, and all the hardware I've been changing on my DAW.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 07:55
Subject: RE: SMA Notice


Hello Dave,

Can a dongle be updated?

I recently updated my SMA, on home computer,
So, I'm wondering if I can apply the update to my dongle?
Or, do I just use the thumb drive downloadable files from fs,



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Dongle doesn't replace the SMA. It doesn't replace purchasing any new
versions. It only replaces the ILM authorization scheme. Removes the need to
authorize using an ILM key.
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 04:56
Subject: RE: SMA Notice


Are you saying those don't' have to be renewed? I would never have thought
of that. Just look at what a SMA costs, compared to the price of such a
one-time purchase.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:27 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over

US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert the
use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They

guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never
paid
much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate"
under
the
Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here
I
just
purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying
non-authorization
issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least
to
two
people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there
are
reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I
support
it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a
single
user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for
the
same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a
PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license
to
run
a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the
computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense,
you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has
JAWS
installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had
no
way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when
I
bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes
apparently
includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are
supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test
as
I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was
hoping
to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to
upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed
JAWS
is
included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite
legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and options with
this
feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to
stay
current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments
that FS
makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd
keep
being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to
reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to
broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from
a
demo
copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate
(if
you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because
my
daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same
as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay
for
now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on
a
desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just
plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a
paid
copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to
look to
the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had
to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that
there
is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5
and
JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying
to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the
nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I
got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15
would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100
less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar
in all this, but still...


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Re: SMA Notice

Dave...
 

David,

Again the dongle allows you to legitimately authorize a legitimate copy of
JAWS on your machine, and removes the need to go through the on-line ILM
authorization scheme. To me it makes no sense that it would need to be
updated. It is linked to my serial number, so I guard it against anyone else
making use of it. I think a good use of a dongle would be in setting up
other computers and/or providing some training/introduction to JAWS for
others on their machines. Once I the installer/tutor leaves and takes the
dongle with me, the student/customer needs to make any necessary
remuneration to make their installed copy of JAWS authorized.

Note that I purchased the dongle when I had JAWS 12, before JAWS 13 came
out. So one would wonder if I needed to update the dongle in order for JAWS
13 to work with it -- it is not the case. I've now installed JAWS 13 on that
machine, and it runs with the dongle as its authorization just fine with no
complaints. It's handy, too. I have just installed a new Blue-Ray burner in
my DAW, and of course it changed my hardware locking code and JAWS 13 came
up in 40-minute mode. I plugged in the dongle and re-loaded JAWS. All is
fine now. So that is an extremely good demonstration of the usefulness of
the dongle, since I installed the burner on Friday evening.

I do have one ILM authorization left but I don't want to burn it yet, until
I've completed all the hardware changes on my DAW and I'm sure it's static
again.

Then I'll use the FSActivate to re-authorize both JAWS and Opoenbook 9. Then
since my JAWS keys will be down to 0 I'll send in a request to FS to bump up
my keys again. I've been burning a few lately with Windows 7 coming to my
laptop, and all the hardware I've been changing on my DAW.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 07:55
Subject: RE: SMA Notice


Hello Dave,

Can a dongle be updated?

I recently updated my SMA, on home computer,
So, I'm wondering if I can apply the update to my dongle?
Or, do I just use the thumb drive downloadable files from fs,



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Dongle doesn't replace the SMA. It doesn't replace purchasing any new
versions. It only replaces the ILM authorization scheme. Removes the need to
authorize using an ILM key.
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 04:56
Subject: RE: SMA Notice


Are you saying those don't' have to be renewed? I would never have thought
of that. Just look at what a SMA costs, compared to the price of such a
one-time purchase.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:27 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over

US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert the
use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They

guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never
paid
much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate"
under
the
Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here
I
just
purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying
non-authorization
issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least
to
two
people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there
are
reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I
support
it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a
single
user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for
the
same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a
PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license
to
run
a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the
computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense,
you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has
JAWS
installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had
no
way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when
I
bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes
apparently
includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are
supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test
as
I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was
hoping
to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to
upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed
JAWS
is
included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite
legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and options with
this
feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to
stay
current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments
that FS
makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd
keep
being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to
reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to
broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from
a
demo
copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate
(if
you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because
my
daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same
as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay
for
now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on
a
desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just
plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a
paid
copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to
look to
the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had
to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that
there
is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5
and
JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying
to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the
nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I
got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15
would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100
less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar
in all this, but still...


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Re: installing jfw without burning a key

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Yes I did and I am back to one key as I just checked it right now as I am
typing this message.

Peace!

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 7:33 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: installing jfw without burning a key

Kimsan,

On the FSActivate site there is a link to fill out a form to request that
your activation count be reinstated. Have you done that?
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 21:10
Subject: RE: installing jfw without burning a key


I don't even have jaws 12 installed.

All I have running on my machine is jaws and window eyes.
I just looked on the fs activate site and I have no activations left.
Oh well, I will just stick with whaaat I have.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: installing jfw without burning a key

Kimsan,

So you're saying that your JAWS 12 runs in 40-minute mode and you have no
more activations left on the FSActivate web site?

IF so, it won't help your install of JAWS 13.

If you had previously saved your activation and authorization folders from
your previous non-demo-mode JAWS 12 you could then recover them and JAWS 12
should then run normally.

If you have JAWS 12 running normally then installing JAWS 13 should not
require you to reactivate -- unless...you don't have any more SMA to allow
you to run JAWS 13. If that is the case, the technique to not burn a key
will not help.

So I'm a bit confused with your question and your exact situation, as you
can surmise.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 15:30
Subject: installing jfw without burning a key


I am wanting to know if I installed 13 and wanted to activate 12 without
burning a key would that make sense or will I need to install from the
oldest version to the most current one.

I am referencing the steps that someone provided a while back. I am aware it
is not garenteed to work on a windows 7 machine but I got lucky last time.



Why do I want 12 seeing as I have 13 running? No special reason, just
curious on how it would work if it would work.

Thanks.

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Re: SMA Notice

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello Dave,

Can a dongle be updated?

I recently updated my SMA, on home computer,
So, I'm wondering if I can apply the update to my dongle?
Or, do I just use the thumb drive downloadable files from fs,

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Dongle doesn't replace the SMA. It doesn't replace purchasing any new
versions. It only replaces the ILM authorization scheme. Removes the need to
authorize using an ILM key.
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 04:56
Subject: RE: SMA Notice


Are you saying those don't' have to be renewed? I would never have thought
of that. Just look at what a SMA costs, compared to the price of such a
one-time purchase.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:27 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over

US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert the
use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They

guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never
paid
much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate"
under
the
Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here
I
just
purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying
non-authorization
issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least
to
two
people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there
are
reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I
support
it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a
single
user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for
the
same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a
PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license
to
run
a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the
computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense,
you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has
JAWS
installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had
no
way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when
I
bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes
apparently
includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are
supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test
as
I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was
hoping
to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to
upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed
JAWS
is
included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite
legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and options with
this
feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to
stay
current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments
that FS
makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd
keep
being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to
reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to
broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from
a
demo
copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate
(if
you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because
my
daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same
as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay
for
now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on
a
desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just
plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a
paid
copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to
look to
the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had
to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that
there
is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5
and
JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying
to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the
nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I
got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15
would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100
less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar
in all this, but still...


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Re: SMA Notice

Dave...
 

Dongle doesn't replace the SMA. It doesn't replace purchasing any new
versions. It only replaces the ILM authorization scheme. Removes the need to
authorize using an ILM key.
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 04:56
Subject: RE: SMA Notice


Are you saying those don't' have to be renewed? I would never have
thought of that. Just look at what a SMA costs, compared to the price
of such a one-time purchase.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:27 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over

US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert
the
use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They

guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never
paid
much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate"
under
the
Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here
I
just
purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying
non-authorization
issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
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From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least
to
two
people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there
are
reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I
support
it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a
single
user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for
the
same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a
PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license
to
run
a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the
computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense,
you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has
JAWS
installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had
no
way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when
I
bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes
apparently
includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are
supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test
as
I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was
hoping
to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to
upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed
JAWS
is
included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite
legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and options with
this
feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to
stay
current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments
that FS
makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd
keep
being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to
reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to
broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from
a
demo
copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate
(if
you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because
my
daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same
as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay
for
now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on
a
desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just
plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a
paid
copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to
look to
the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had
to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that
there
is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5
and
JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying
to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the
nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I
got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15
would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100
less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar
in all this, but still...


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Re: installing jfw without burning a key

Dave...
 

Kimsan,

On the FSActivate site there is a link to fill out a form to request that
your activation count be reinstated. Have you done that?
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 21:10
Subject: RE: installing jfw without burning a key


I don't even have jaws 12 installed.

All I have running on my machine is jaws and window eyes.
I just looked on the fs activate site and I have no activations left.
Oh well, I will just stick with whaaat I have.
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On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: installing jfw without burning a key

Kimsan,

So you're saying that your JAWS 12 runs in 40-minute mode and you have no
more activations left on the FSActivate web site?

IF so, it won't help your install of JAWS 13.

If you had previously saved your activation and authorization folders from
your previous non-demo-mode JAWS 12 you could then recover them and JAWS 12
should then run normally.

If you have JAWS 12 running normally then installing JAWS 13 should not
require you to reactivate -- unless...you don't have any more SMA to allow
you to run JAWS 13. If that is the case, the technique to not burn a key
will not help.

So I'm a bit confused with your question and your exact situation, as you
can surmise.

Dave Carlson
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Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 15:30
Subject: installing jfw without burning a key


I am wanting to know if I installed 13 and wanted to activate 12 without
burning a key would that make sense or will I need to install from the
oldest version to the most current one.

I am referencing the steps that someone provided a while back. I am aware it
is not garenteed to work on a windows 7 machine but I got lucky last time.



Why do I want 12 seeing as I have 13 running? No special reason, just
curious on how it would work if it would work.

Thanks.

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Re: Jaws 11 / Focus 40 BT

Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...>
 

Yes, each version of JAWS is installed in a separate folder. Give it a try
and see if it works. I'd skip 12 and go right to 13. Hope this helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:23 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 11 / Focus 40 BT

Interesting. That might make some sense though, as I'm pretty certain when
we saw the demo of the FOCUS unit at the show, it was running JAWS 12.

So if I want to test this, can I load JAWS 12 (and / or v.13) to test this
and not mess up the full install of JAWS 11?


On Nov 7, 2011, at 9:13 AM, Londa Peterson wrote:

I don't think you can do contracted Braille input with JAWS 11. I think
you
need 12 or higher. Sorry.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 11 / Focus 40 BT

Thanks. I do find the contracted braille option there but that seems to be
for just the display itself, not the keyboard input style. The display is
showing contracted content. I noticed it was set to use a Pacmate display
as
the default and corrected it to a FOCUS display, but it didn't make any
obvious changes to what is happening. Obviously the Pacmate display (when
removed and used as a standalone) is just that-- a display. The FOCUS 40
BT
is a Braille Keyboard and a Display.

Then again, the menu option only says "FOCUS", and I think all except the
Bluetooth FOCUS display have no braille keyboard. Maybe the proper driver
is
simply missing? Hopefully I can get to them at FS on the phone soon. I
think
either a driver is missing or I must be overlooking some sort of keyboard
preferences option somewhere...

I also have yet to get the keyboard working as a Bluetooth device. I can
get
it to show up as "paired", but something is wrong when I use it that way--
nothing happens except that the device does come on and the device name
pops
up in braille (and in the bluetooth list of the computer) so it is indeed
coming on. It simply has to be plugged in via USB right now to be used.

Most of the problem is probably my lack of familiarity with all of this
stuff. It is just all very different that what I'm familiar with. (I'm a
Macintosh Graphics person. )

If I figure anything out I'll post it in case others are interested.

Thanks,

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:

Under setting center, go to Braille, general, translation options. I
suppose just tinker there, but it sounds like the right place.

Good luck!

Hi Richard,

I don't know the answer to your question, but Freedom Scientific
might. You may want to give them a call.

1-727-803-8600.

Kim

On 11/2/11, Richard Holloway <rholloway@gopbc.org> wrote:
My daughter has been using her FS Focus 40 BT in uncontracted braille
mode
with Jaws 11 for quite a while, but she had use one before in
contracted
mode. I believe she said it always displays contracted but she has to
type
uncontracted. I actually didn't realize the keyboard was running
uncontracted as she flies along pretty quickly and it looks the same to
confused sighted parents like myself trying to keep track of our
braille-using kids.

Can someone tell me how to toggle between contracted and uncontracted
(grade
2 / grade 1) please? I suspect it is a simple keystroke, but I'm not
finding
the solution in the print manual, nor does my third grader see it in
the
braille version. (She's actually often able to find things like this
for
herself.)

Thanks so much for any help with this.
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Re: Jaws 11 / Focus 40 BT

Richard Holloway
 

Interesting. That might make some sense though, as I'm pretty certain when we saw the demo of the FOCUS unit at the show, it was running JAWS 12.

So if I want to test this, can I load JAWS 12 (and / or v.13) to test this and not mess up the full install of JAWS 11?

On Nov 7, 2011, at 9:13 AM, Londa Peterson wrote:

I don't think you can do contracted Braille input with JAWS 11. I think you
need 12 or higher. Sorry.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 11 / Focus 40 BT

Thanks. I do find the contracted braille option there but that seems to be
for just the display itself, not the keyboard input style. The display is
showing contracted content. I noticed it was set to use a Pacmate display as
the default and corrected it to a FOCUS display, but it didn't make any
obvious changes to what is happening. Obviously the Pacmate display (when
removed and used as a standalone) is just that-- a display. The FOCUS 40 BT
is a Braille Keyboard and a Display.

Then again, the menu option only says "FOCUS", and I think all except the
Bluetooth FOCUS display have no braille keyboard. Maybe the proper driver is
simply missing? Hopefully I can get to them at FS on the phone soon. I think
either a driver is missing or I must be overlooking some sort of keyboard
preferences option somewhere...

I also have yet to get the keyboard working as a Bluetooth device. I can get
it to show up as "paired", but something is wrong when I use it that way--
nothing happens except that the device does come on and the device name pops
up in braille (and in the bluetooth list of the computer) so it is indeed
coming on. It simply has to be plugged in via USB right now to be used.

Most of the problem is probably my lack of familiarity with all of this
stuff. It is just all very different that what I'm familiar with. (I'm a
Macintosh Graphics person. )

If I figure anything out I'll post it in case others are interested.

Thanks,

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:

Under setting center, go to Braille, general, translation options. I
suppose just tinker there, but it sounds like the right place.

Good luck!

Hi Richard,

I don't know the answer to your question, but Freedom Scientific
might. You may want to give them a call.

1-727-803-8600.

Kim

On 11/2/11, Richard Holloway <rholloway@gopbc.org> wrote:
My daughter has been using her FS Focus 40 BT in uncontracted braille
mode
with Jaws 11 for quite a while, but she had use one before in
contracted
mode. I believe she said it always displays contracted but she has to
type
uncontracted. I actually didn't realize the keyboard was running
uncontracted as she flies along pretty quickly and it looks the same to
confused sighted parents like myself trying to keep track of our
braille-using kids.

Can someone tell me how to toggle between contracted and uncontracted
(grade
2 / grade 1) please? I suspect it is a simple keystroke, but I'm not
finding
the solution in the print manual, nor does my third grader see it in
the
braille version. (She's actually often able to find things like this
for
herself.)

Thanks so much for any help with this.
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Re: Jaws 11 / Focus 40 BT

Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...>
 

I don't think you can do contracted Braille input with JAWS 11. I think you
need 12 or higher. Sorry.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 11 / Focus 40 BT

Thanks. I do find the contracted braille option there but that seems to be
for just the display itself, not the keyboard input style. The display is
showing contracted content. I noticed it was set to use a Pacmate display as
the default and corrected it to a FOCUS display, but it didn't make any
obvious changes to what is happening. Obviously the Pacmate display (when
removed and used as a standalone) is just that-- a display. The FOCUS 40 BT
is a Braille Keyboard and a Display.

Then again, the menu option only says "FOCUS", and I think all except the
Bluetooth FOCUS display have no braille keyboard. Maybe the proper driver is
simply missing? Hopefully I can get to them at FS on the phone soon. I think
either a driver is missing or I must be overlooking some sort of keyboard
preferences option somewhere...

I also have yet to get the keyboard working as a Bluetooth device. I can get
it to show up as "paired", but something is wrong when I use it that way--
nothing happens except that the device does come on and the device name pops
up in braille (and in the bluetooth list of the computer) so it is indeed
coming on. It simply has to be plugged in via USB right now to be used.

Most of the problem is probably my lack of familiarity with all of this
stuff. It is just all very different that what I'm familiar with. (I'm a
Macintosh Graphics person. )

If I figure anything out I'll post it in case others are interested.

Thanks,

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:

Under setting center, go to Braille, general, translation options. I
suppose just tinker there, but it sounds like the right place.

Good luck!

Hi Richard,

I don't know the answer to your question, but Freedom Scientific
might. You may want to give them a call.

1-727-803-8600.

Kim

On 11/2/11, Richard Holloway <rholloway@gopbc.org> wrote:
My daughter has been using her FS Focus 40 BT in uncontracted braille
mode
with Jaws 11 for quite a while, but she had use one before in
contracted
mode. I believe she said it always displays contracted but she has to
type
uncontracted. I actually didn't realize the keyboard was running
uncontracted as she flies along pretty quickly and it looks the same to
confused sighted parents like myself trying to keep track of our
braille-using kids.

Can someone tell me how to toggle between contracted and uncontracted
(grade
2 / grade 1) please? I suspect it is a simple keystroke, but I'm not
finding
the solution in the print manual, nor does my third grader see it in
the
braille version. (She's actually often able to find things like this
for
herself.)

Thanks so much for any help with this.
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Re: SMA Notice

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Are you saying those don't' have to be renewed? I would never have
thought of that. Just look at what a SMA costs, compared to the price
of such a one-time purchase.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:27 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over

US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert
the
use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They

guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never
paid
much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate"
under
the
Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here
I
just
purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying
non-authorization
issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least
to
two
people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there
are
reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I
support
it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a
single
user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for
the
same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a
PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license
to
run
a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the
computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense,
you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has
JAWS
installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had
no
way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when
I
bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes
apparently
includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are
supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test
as
I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was
hoping
to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to
upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed
JAWS
is
included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite
legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and options with
this
feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to
stay
current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments
that FS
makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd
keep
being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to
reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to
broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from
a
demo
copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate
(if
you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because
my
daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same
as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay
for
now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on
a
desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just
plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a
paid
copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to
look to
the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had
to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that
there
is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5
and
JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying
to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the
nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I
got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15
would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100
less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar
in all this, but still...


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Re: installing jfw without burning a key

Adrian Spratt
 

Kimsan,

This isn't a complete answer, but keep these points in mind.

List members have said you shouldn't install a version of JAWS that is
earlier than one you have on your system. In the event that you want to, it
would seem logical to uninstall the higher version, then start installing
with the lower one, followed by the higher again.

I think you realize that installing a later version of JAWS on a system that
has an earlier version won't affect your authorization count.

So the question is whether you lose an authorization when you uninstall a
later version in order to add an earlier one and reinstall the later one.
It's now Monday, so you could call FS tech support, or maybe even better,
their authorization department for the procedure. As I recall, both
departments are at the same phone number, but each has its own extension.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 12:10 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: installing jfw without burning a key

I don't even have jaws 12 installed.

All I have running on my machine is jaws and window eyes.
I just looked on the fs activate site and I have no activations left.
Oh well, I will just stick with whaaat I have.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: installing jfw without burning a key

Kimsan,

So you're saying that your JAWS 12 runs in 40-minute mode and you have no
more activations left on the FSActivate web site?

IF so, it won't help your install of JAWS 13.

If you had previously saved your activation and authorization folders from
your previous non-demo-mode JAWS 12 you could then recover them and JAWS 12
should then run normally.

If you have JAWS 12 running normally then installing JAWS 13 should not
require you to reactivate -- unless...you don't have any more SMA to allow
you to run JAWS 13. If that is the case, the technique to not burn a key
will not help.

So I'm a bit confused with your question and your exact situation, as you
can surmise.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 15:30
Subject: installing jfw without burning a key


I am wanting to know if I installed 13 and wanted to activate 12 without
burning a key would that make sense or will I need to install from the
oldest version to the most current one.

I am referencing the steps that someone provided a while back. I am aware it
is not garenteed to work on a windows 7 machine but I got lucky last time.



Why do I want 12 seeing as I have 13 running? No special reason, just
curious on how it would work if it would work.

Thanks.

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Re: installing jfw without burning a key

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

I don't even have jaws 12 installed.

All I have running on my machine is jaws and window eyes.
I just looked on the fs activate site and I have no activations left.
Oh well, I will just stick with whaaat I have.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: installing jfw without burning a key

Kimsan,

So you're saying that your JAWS 12 runs in 40-minute mode and you have no
more activations left on the FSActivate web site?

IF so, it won't help your install of JAWS 13.

If you had previously saved your activation and authorization folders from
your previous non-demo-mode JAWS 12 you could then recover them and JAWS 12
should then run normally.

If you have JAWS 12 running normally then installing JAWS 13 should not
require you to reactivate -- unless...you don't have any more SMA to allow
you to run JAWS 13. If that is the case, the technique to not burn a key
will not help.

So I'm a bit confused with your question and your exact situation, as you
can surmise.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 15:30
Subject: installing jfw without burning a key


I am wanting to know if I installed 13 and wanted to activate 12 without
burning a key would that make sense or will I need to install from the
oldest version to the most current one.

I am referencing the steps that someone provided a while back. I am aware it
is not garenteed to work on a windows 7 machine but I got lucky last time.



Why do I want 12 seeing as I have 13 running? No special reason, just
curious on how it would work if it would work.

Thanks.

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Re: help with punctuation

Dave...
 

Dante - OE is Outlook Express.
Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dondi" <zidnod63@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 19:44
Subject: RE: help with punctuation


What does OE stand for, does anybody know?

Dondi

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 6:48 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: help with punctuation

Phyllis,

From what you say, JAWS 13 has the same limitation here that JAWS 12 and
earlier versions have. The following is a slightly modified version of an
earlier post of mine.

Permanent punctuation settings are not made in the configuration manager.
Instead, you find them in JAWS options (insert-j), then by arrowing down to
and clicking on the voices submenu. From there you press enter on voice
adjustment and tab to punctuation.

The default setting is for global voices. However, you want different levels
of punctuation for different applications. In JAWS 11, this requires
creating a voice profile.
Below, I'll copy the example Bill white posted to this list to suggest how
this can be done. Let me say that this process is ridiculously complicated
for a setting that many JAWS users would want to change from time to time.
Other listers will write in if the process has been changed, and hopefully
simplified, in JAWS 13. Here goes:

I have an example of a profile that goes with OE. I called the profile oe,
as in o e, and the thing I wanted to change was the punctuation. In the
configuration manager, it is impossible to have punctuation set to none,
unless you customize every single punctuation entry. But in the Profile,
there is a selection, Punctuation none.
So I set the punctuation to none, and also slowed down the voice so that it
would be slower than my default voice.
In this way, I customized OE, so it would not read all the punctuation, and
would have a slower reading rate.
After saving the profile, I started OE. Then I Pressed Insert+J to bring up
the Jaws context menu. From there I went back to options, voices, select
profile, and selected OE. Then I checked the box that said: For OE.
It was done, and whenever OE starts, it comes up with the parameters I set
in the JAWS profile.

** Punctuation Levels

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Phyllis Stevens
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 8:32 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: help with punctuation

Just upgraded to Jaws 13. Using Windows Live Mail latest. I merged with
Jaws 12.0, and chose no punctuation.

I am getting all sorts of punctuation in my email! I don't mind it in note
pad or word, but I don't want to here it when I am trying to just read my
email! How can I stop this? I don't wish to put ( in the dictionary as a
space! Help?

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When wholeness and unity is recognized, fear cannot exist.
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Re: installing jfw without burning a key

Dave...
 

Kimsan,

So you're saying that your JAWS 12 runs in 40-minute mode and you have no
more activations left on the FSActivate web site?

IF so, it won't help your install of JAWS 13.

If you had previously saved your activation and authorization folders from
your previous non-demo-mode JAWS 12 you could then recover them and JAWS 12
should then run normally.

If you have JAWS 12 running normally then installing JAWS 13 should not
require you to reactivate -- unless...you don't have any more SMA to allow
you to run JAWS 13. If that is the case, the technique to not burn a key
will not help.

So I'm a bit confused with your question and your exact situation, as you
can surmise.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 15:30
Subject: installing jfw without burning a key


I am wanting to know if I installed 13 and wanted to activate 12 without
burning a key would that make sense or will I need to install from the
oldest version to the most current one.

I am referencing the steps that someone provided a while back. I am aware it
is not garenteed to work on a windows 7 machine but I got lucky last time.



Why do I want 12 seeing as I have 13 running? No special reason, just
curious on how it would work if it would work.

Thanks.

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Re: help with punctuation

Dondi
 

What does OE stand for, does anybody know?

Dondi

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 6:48 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: help with punctuation

Phyllis,

From what you say, JAWS 13 has the same limitation here that JAWS 12 and
earlier versions have. The following is a slightly modified version of an
earlier post of mine.

Permanent punctuation settings are not made in the configuration manager.
Instead, you find them in JAWS options (insert-j), then by arrowing down to
and clicking on the voices submenu. From there you press enter on voice
adjustment and tab to punctuation.

The default setting is for global voices. However, you want different levels
of punctuation for different applications. In JAWS 11, this requires
creating a voice profile.
Below, I'll copy the example Bill white posted to this list to suggest how
this can be done. Let me say that this process is ridiculously complicated
for a setting that many JAWS users would want to change from time to time.
Other listers will write in if the process has been changed, and hopefully
simplified, in JAWS 13. Here goes:

I have an example of a profile that goes with OE. I called the profile oe,
as in o e, and the thing I wanted to change was the punctuation. In the
configuration manager, it is impossible to have punctuation set to none,
unless you customize every single punctuation entry. But in the Profile,
there is a selection, Punctuation none.
So I set the punctuation to none, and also slowed down the voice so that it
would be slower than my default voice.
In this way, I customized OE, so it would not read all the punctuation, and
would have a slower reading rate.
After saving the profile, I started OE. Then I Pressed Insert+J to bring up
the Jaws context menu. From there I went back to options, voices, select
profile, and selected OE. Then I checked the box that said: For OE.
It was done, and whenever OE starts, it comes up with the parameters I set
in the JAWS profile.

** Punctuation Levels

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Phyllis Stevens
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 8:32 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: help with punctuation

Just upgraded to Jaws 13. Using Windows Live Mail latest. I merged with
Jaws 12.0, and chose no punctuation.

I am getting all sorts of punctuation in my email! I don't mind it in note
pad or word, but I don't want to here it when I am trying to just read my
email! How can I stop this? I don't wish to put ( in the dictionary as a
space! Help?

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When wholeness and unity is recognized, fear cannot exist.
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