Just purchased a brand new Dell laptop with Win 7 and have installed the
latest version/build of Jaws and when pressing the Jaws Key/Insert + F11 or
F12 cannot hear the items in the System Tray or Clock?



It seems that all other function keys are working normal. Can anyone suggest
places to make adjustments so that these keystrokes will work.





Thanks in advance.





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Hi,
Does anyone know of any key logger software accessible with jaws?
Thanks.
Hina.

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Ted,

Manual writer? Even the on-demand help files with keyboard shortcuts are way
behind. They still claim that Ctrl+Shift+1 in Excel will read the top cell
of a column -- it will not, as of JAWS 12.

Just one example.

Dave Carlson

From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort

to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:26
Subject: RE: Method to the FS Madness


Context-sensitive key strokes make perfect sense, and your initiative is
just what the doc ordered. Now, if the manual writer(s) would just
mention this sort of thing in passing, it would flatten the learning
curve for all.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:01 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Method to the FS Madness

Recently, there was a thread on this list discussing use of control plus
JAWS key (insert) plus g.
It seems that the command performs two functions. This seemed to me like
a blatant inconsistency. Well, there is still an inconsistency, but I
accidentally discovered a method to Freedom Scientific's madness.
Within Internet Explorer, and presumably FireFox as well, so-called
quick keys permit one to jump to various elements, both forward and
backward. Those keys are h for header, b for button, r for radio button,
g for graphic, I for item in a list, t for table, and so on. There are a
bunch of them. Add the shift key to any of the foregoing to jump
backwards.
The JAWS help system says that any of these quick keys can be converted
into a command to display a list of the selected element just by using
control plus JAWS key (insert) with the letter.
So, control plus insert plus t will produce a list of tables.
But wait a minute!
Control plus insert plus b is the command for Braille options. Control
plus insert plus g is the graphics labeler. Aren't there bound to be
inconsistencies?
So, I ran a little test.
To my surprise, when I pressed control plus insert plus b, even within
Internet Explorer, I got Braille options.
Now, some of you doubtless think I'm about as dense as a Mahogany desk,
but it didn't occur to me immediately what the problem was. Initially, I
just thought FS was flakey. Well, that may be true, but not because of
pure inconsistency with these commands. After trying control plus insert
plus b, I tried control plus insert plus g. Guess what? The graphics
labeler started up.
Then the dawn of understanding illuminated my darkened mind. I had
automatic forms mode turned on, and my cursor was sitting in an edit
field.
When I moved out of the edit box and the virtual cursor took over,
control plus insert plus g produced, as expected, a list of graphics.
Control plus insert plus b produced a list of buttons.
So, even within Internet Explorer, the keystrokes can produce completely
different results, depending upon whether or not the virtual cursor is
active. If the virtual cursor is on, insert plus control plus a quick
key will produce a list of the elements related to the quick key. If,
however, forms mode is on, whether triggered automatically or manually
invoked, these keystrokes will produce the results one would expect
outside the Internet.
So, when one drills down far enough, there is, indeed, a method to
Freedom Scientific's madness.
Of course, that this whole thing troubled me so much probably gives you
cause to think I'm mad too, but for those who are curious (or as mad as
I am), this sort of makes sense.

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Context-sensitive key strokes make perfect sense, and your initiative is
just what the doc ordered. Now, if the manual writer(s) would just
mention this sort of thing in passing, it would flatten the learning
curve for all.

Ted

Ed,

Good detective work, and yes it makes sense how these keystrokes could
change based on the state of virtual cursor. Now the question still remains:

If I was on the web page and in virtual mode and there was a graphic I
wanted to auto-label (sorry for the run-on) -- how would I do it?

I guess I'd have to route JAWS to the virtual cursor first, and then invoke
the auto-graphic label function.

I think the snakes of Freedom Medusa's hair are becoming more entangled, as
FS tries to accommodate every situation to a keystroke. There are an
infinite number of elements one could wish to have controlled by a
keystroke, but a finite number of keystrokes possible with only 8 fingers
and two thumbs. And only a few modifier keys on a standard keyboard.

From my perspective, and from the perspective of still being royally ticked

with FS's debacle with Excel, I would greatly appreciate them not taking
away key combinations in the interest of creating new ones.

FS -- are you reading? Get some hair-straightener and design consistent
code.

Dave Carlson

From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort

to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 8:01
Subject: Method to the FS Madness


Recently, there was a thread on this list discussing use of control plus
JAWS key (insert) plus g.
It seems that the command performs two functions. This seemed to me like a
blatant inconsistency. Well, there is still an inconsistency, but I
accidentally discovered a method to Freedom Scientific's madness.
Within Internet Explorer, and presumably FireFox as well, so-called quick
keys permit one to jump to various elements, both forward and backward.
Those keys are h for header, b for button, r for radio button, g for
graphic, I for item in a list, t for table, and so on. There are a bunch of
them. Add the shift key to any of the foregoing to jump backwards.
The JAWS help system says that any of these quick keys can be converted into
a command to display a list of the selected element just by using control
plus JAWS key (insert) with the letter.
So, control plus insert plus t will produce a list of tables.
But wait a minute!
Control plus insert plus b is the command for Braille options. Control plus
insert plus g is the graphics labeler. Aren't there bound to be
inconsistencies?
So, I ran a little test.
To my surprise, when I pressed control plus insert plus b, even within
Internet Explorer, I got Braille options.
Now, some of you doubtless think I'm about as dense as a Mahogany desk, but
it didn't occur to me immediately what the problem was. Initially, I just
thought FS was flakey. Well, that may be true, but not because of pure
inconsistency with these commands. After trying control plus insert plus b,
I tried control plus insert plus g. Guess what? The graphics labeler started
up.
Then the dawn of understanding illuminated my darkened mind. I had
automatic forms mode turned on, and my cursor was sitting in an edit field.
When I moved out of the edit box and the virtual cursor took over, control
plus insert plus g produced, as expected, a list of graphics. Control plus
insert plus b produced a list of buttons.
So, even within Internet Explorer, the keystrokes can produce completely
different results, depending upon whether or not the virtual cursor is
active. If the virtual cursor is on, insert plus control plus a quick key
will produce a list of the elements related to the quick key. If, however,
forms mode is on, whether triggered automatically or manually invoked, these
keystrokes will produce the results one would expect outside the Internet.
So, when one drills down far enough, there is, indeed, a method to Freedom
Scientific's madness.
Of course, that this whole thing troubled me so much probably gives you
cause to think I'm mad too, but for those who are curious (or as mad as I
am), this sort of makes sense.

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REFERRED TO IN THE PROMOTING, MARKETING OR
RECOMMENDING OF ANY ENTITY, INVESTMENT PLAN OR ARRANGEMENT, AND SUCH ADVICE
IS NOT INTENDED OR WRITTEN TO BE USED,
AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING PENALTIES
UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE.
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Recently, there was a thread on this list discussing use of control plus JAWS key (insert) plus g.
It seems that the command performs two functions. This seemed to me like a blatant inconsistency. Well, there is still an inconsistency, but I accidentally discovered a method to Freedom Scientific's madness.
Within Internet Explorer, and presumably FireFox as well, so-called quick keys permit one to jump to various elements, both forward and backward. Those keys are h for header, b for button, r for radio button, g for graphic, I for item in a list, t for table, and so on. There are a bunch of them. Add the shift key to any of the foregoing to jump backwards.
The JAWS help system says that any of these quick keys can be converted into a command to display a list of the selected element just by using control plus JAWS key (insert) with the letter.
So, control plus insert plus t will produce a list of tables.
But wait a minute!
Control plus insert plus b is the command for Braille options. Control plus insert plus g is the graphics labeler. Aren't there bound to be inconsistencies?
So, I ran a little test.
To my surprise, when I pressed control plus insert plus b, even within Internet Explorer, I got Braille options.
Now, some of you doubtless think I'm about as dense as a Mahogany desk, but it didn't occur to me immediately what the problem was. Initially, I just thought FS was flakey. Well, that may be true, but not because of pure inconsistency with these commands. After trying control plus insert plus b, I tried control plus insert plus g. Guess what? The graphics labeler started up.
Then the dawn of understanding illuminated my darkened mind. I had automatic forms mode turned on, and my cursor was sitting in an edit field.
When I moved out of the edit box and the virtual cursor took over, control plus insert plus g produced, as expected, a list of graphics. Control plus insert plus b produced a list of buttons.
So, even within Internet Explorer, the keystrokes can produce completely different results, depending upon whether or not the virtual cursor is active. If the virtual cursor is on, insert plus control plus a quick key will produce a list of the elements related to the quick key. If, however, forms mode is on, whether triggered automatically or manually invoked, these keystrokes will produce the results one would expect outside the Internet.
So, when one drills down far enough, there is, indeed, a method to Freedom Scientific's madness.
Of course, that this whole thing troubled me so much probably gives you cause to think I'm mad too, but for those who are curious (or as mad as I am), this sort of makes sense.

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RECOMMENDING OF ANY ENTITY, INVESTMENT PLAN OR ARRANGEMENT, AND SUCH ADVICE IS NOT INTENDED OR WRITTEN TO BE USED,
AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING PENALTIES UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE.
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Hello David,

Finally, I made the decision and installed the updates, and it is working fine with JAWS. Actually, I can't see any difference. My current Windows Live Mail version is:
Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3538.0513)

With best wishes,
Gezim

I'm running the latest version of JAWS, Office 2007 and Windows XP
Professional on my computer at work. It seems to work fine since I did the
clean reinstall. It's slow at times, but my computer is also 9 years old.
I may be getting a new one soon with the same configuration listed above.
I'll let people know how it is.

If I had a lot of customized files, I'd copy them first to another folder
somewhere on my hard drive. Then, once I had JAWS reinstalled and Excel was
working, I'd try copying them back. I don't know what to tell you about the
key conflicts, but I see your point on that one.

Marvin,

You should have a folder list, and in that list Inbox. If you arrow to inbox
and press f6, what happens?

Dave Carlson

From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort

to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marvin Hunkin" <startrekcafe@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 22:34
Subject: windows 7 and outlook with jaws


Hi.

I am running windows 7 professional.

And using Microsoft outlook 2010 professional.

Now, what is the outlook data folder, favorites, and I see my e-mail address
as the main folder.

So how do I delete these, and then have say Marvin Hunkin in outlook 2010.

Has any one use this program.

New to this program, as was using windows mail in windows vista.

But tried setting up windows mail in windows 7, but did not work.

So getting used to outlook.

So any help would be handy.

Managed to set up my account, and also how to import my address book or my
contact folder.

Marvin.

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Terra,

Now you've confused me.

If you wanted to be using version 12.0.522, then why did you check for
updates? That would download 12.0.1669 and you're back where you started.

Turn off the automatic update feature in the JAWS Options/Basics dialog and
stay with the version you install (in your case 12.0.522).

And like David earlier I don't understand the role that Flash plays in your
decision to go back to 12.0.522.

Dave Carlson

From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort

to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terra Syslo" <tlsyslo@yahoo.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:15
Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS


I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I uninstalled everything and tried an
install of the latest version of JFW 12, and it did the same thing as the
previous version of 12 with regards to not reading in internet explorer. I
then uninstalled it, re-installed jfw 12.0.522 and when I checked for
updates it installed the latest version again, and now it reads in internet
explorer, but I'm still having the problem with flash content. I really want
to be using the previous version, but I have no idea why it is not reading
in internet explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:01 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS

Terra,

Some others on this list have said that the only way to have JAWS higher
than 12.0.525 working correctly with Excel is to remove shared and user
settings when installing. I personally find that repugnant.

When I re-installed 12.0.525 I re-copied my previous user settings after
installing, so that I did not lose any of my customized files.

I say keep both during install and then overwrite with a backup copy of your

previous set of files from your user settings.

Dave Carlson

From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort

to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terra Syslo" <tlsyslo@yahoo.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 18:03
Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS


Hi, I have removed JFW 12, and installed it again. Do I need to remove my
settings when it asks during the uninstall process? I said to leave them.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Nokia N95
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:38 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS

You need to completely remove JAWS 12 and install clean. See my message from
several months back.

Dave Carlson
Produced on a Nokia N95 using Nuance TALKS screen-reading software.

-original message-
Subject: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS
From: "Terra Syslo" <tlsyslo@yahoo.com>
Date: 08-10-2011 17:10

I have a strange problem with JFW. I reverted back to version 12.0.522
because of my annoying problem with flash with the latest version, but now
when I go to internet explorer and try to do anything JFW won't read
anything. I can't see links, it won't read text, nothing. I can do an insert
f7 to get to the links list box, but I can't see anything on the page.
Tabbing doesn't work either. Does anyone have any suggestions? I've made
sure it was in full screen and did a jaws refresh. JFW 11 doesn't seem to
have this problem. Thanks for any help.



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Hello there;

You removed the latest version of jaws because of flash?
Is there something I'm missing here?

How about trying the completely accessible Google Labs without the
/accessible ending? I just created this results page that way, and it shows
headings, etc.:

http://www.googlelabs.com/

I find google's /accessible versions of its search sites often limiting. For
example, on the regular Google search pages, the /accessible version doesn't
list the number of total hits.

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I uninstalled everything and tried an
install of the latest version of JFW 12, and it did the same thing as the
previous version of 12 with regards to not reading in internet explorer. I
then uninstalled it, re-installed jfw 12.0.522 and when I checked for
updates it installed the latest version again, and now it reads in internet
explorer, but I'm still having the problem with flash content. I really want
to be using the previous version, but I have no idea why it is not reading
in internet explorer.

Hi,

The link I have is

http://labs.google.com/accessible/

Also, google recently announced that most of the google labs will be going
bye bye. Don't know how this will affect the above link and site. Want more,
do a quick google search for something like google labs going away.

For now, you'll have to find other ways to navigate it with jaws.

Rich

http://labs.google.com/accessible/


kimsansong@aol.com

What's the URL?
Dave Carlson

From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort

to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 21:29
Subject: [Bulk] labs.google


Hi,

Is anyone using labs.google.com and if so are they experiencing the
following?

You type in your search, press enter and when the list of results come up
get this custom google search thing. What I mean is when I try to read the
results, its like the results from google and not how it normally is
displayed for labs.google. Man, I hope I am making sense. I cannot move by
heading or anything like that. If you understand what I am saying, please
provide a response. If not, go ahead and write back and yell at me and I
will try to explain better off list.

Thankyou.





kimsansong@aol.com









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Hi,

Is anyone using labs.google.com and if so are they experiencing the
following?

You type in your search, press enter and when the list of results come up
get this custom google search thing. What I mean is when I try to read the
results, its like the results from google and not how it normally is
displayed for labs.google. Man, I hope I am making sense. I cannot move by
heading or anything like that. If you understand what I am saying, please
provide a response. If not, go ahead and write back and yell at me and I
will try to explain better off list.

Thankyou.





kimsansong@aol.com









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Terra,

Some others on this list have said that the only way to have JAWS higher
than 12.0.525 working correctly with Excel is to remove shared and user
settings when installing. I personally find that repugnant.

When I re-installed 12.0.525 I re-copied my previous user settings after
installing, so that I did not lose any of my customized files.

I say keep both during install and then overwrite with a backup copy of your
previous set of files from your user settings.

Dave Carlson

From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort

to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terra Syslo" <tlsyslo@yahoo.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 18:03
Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS


Hi, I have removed JFW 12, and installed it again. Do I need to remove my
settings when it asks during the uninstall process? I said to leave them.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Nokia N95
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:38 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS

You need to completely remove JAWS 12 and install clean. See my message from
several months back.

Dave Carlson
Produced on a Nokia N95 using Nuance TALKS screen-reading software.

-original message-
Subject: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS
From: "Terra Syslo" <tlsyslo@yahoo.com>
Date: 08-10-2011 17:10

I have a strange problem with JFW. I reverted back to version 12.0.522
because of my annoying problem with flash with the latest version, but now
when I go to internet explorer and try to do anything JFW won't read
anything. I can't see links, it won't read text, nothing. I can do an insert
f7 to get to the links list box, but I can't see anything on the page.
Tabbing doesn't work either. Does anyone have any suggestions? I've made
sure it was in full screen and did a jaws refresh. JFW 11 doesn't seem to
have this problem. Thanks for any help.



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Hi, I have removed JFW 12, and installed it again. Do I need to remove my
settings when it asks during the uninstall process? I said to leave them.