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moderated Re: Laptop mouse question

Joseph Norton
 

Hi:

 

I usually also turn it off it at all possible.

 

I acquired a Surface Pro 7 with a type cover, and, with that, you can go into settings with Windows+I, search for touch and arrow down to the option to turn on or off the touch pad.

 

Another thing with the type cover is that the fn key can be tapped by itself to toggle the f keys to either perform the multimedia and other special functions or to just be f keys.  No going into cmos to fix it.

 

Most of the time, though, I use an external USB keyboard at home, so it’s not a big deal.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Arnold ABG
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 3:52 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Laptop mouse question

 

List,

 

I have had numerous laptops over the years and the “mouse” area always causes problems…  Often times I inadvertently touch the mouse area and JAWS loses focus.  Do most users turn off the mouse and connect an external mouse if sighted users want to utilize a mouse?  Any input would be appreciated…

 

Thanks in advance,

Mark

 

Mark D. Arnold

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American Blind Golf

Phone: (330) 419-1710

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Motivate, Inspire & Serve

 


moderated Re: Problem with Jaws 2021 and Brave browser

Mike B.
 


Tom,
 
Have you merged your J2020 settings into J2021?  If not, try that to see if it helps.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Problem with Jaws 2021 and Brave browser

I forgot to say it doesn’t happen when using Jaws 2020. Tom
 
From: TCivitello
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 12:14 PM
Subject: Problem with Jaws 2021 and Brave browser
 
I am having a problem with the "say all" command in the latest version 2021 of Jaws. Using the Brave Web browser, Random words are spoken with a rising pitch, like capitalized letters are. At times it occurs every few words and is very annoying. A friend looked at the screen an could not see any thing that would cause this. It doesn't happen with IE or Edge. Does anyone else have this problem or a cure.  Tom


moderated Re: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

David Kingsbury
 

Hi all,

 

Wow, I should have first asked what others do. Hitting the hyphen for separators helped, but I never thought about checking if the messages were in a table. Pretty dumb of me. That works great. Using table navigation even reads you each message without hitting any other keys.

 

While headings would be nice too, table navigation works great here. Thanks for pointing this out, and again, wish I had asked earlier.

David


moderated Re: Problem with Jaws 2021 and Brave browser

T. Civitello
 

I forgot to say it doesn’t happen when using Jaws 2020. Tom
 

From: TCivitello
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 12:14 PM
Subject: Problem with Jaws 2021 and Brave browser
 
I am having a problem with the "say all" command in the latest version 2021 of Jaws. Using the Brave Web browser, Random words are spoken with a rising pitch, like capitalized letters are. At times it occurs every few words and is very annoying. A friend looked at the screen an could not see any thing that would cause this. It doesn't happen with IE or Edge. Does anyone else have this problem or a cure.  Tom


moderated Re: Jaws SMA

Joseph Hudson
 

Maybe there was an increase in sales. So there was probably a lot of phone calls. But glad you got it all taken care of.

On Nov 16, 2020, at 2:34 PM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:

Was on hold for over an hour before all taken care of... totally ridiculous even with all working from home, should have more Reps... Nevertheless, all taken care of...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

Called last week and got answered with under five minutes. If you're calling the sales department. Which is 1-800-444-4443 option number three.
On Nov 16, 2020, at 1:25 PM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:

Have you tried getting through to purchase a new SMA these days? I’m now on hold and have been for near past 30-minutes...

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA



That's true, but if FS wants to migrate all JAWS customers to the licensing arrangement, they will probably still keep the price of a two-year license ower than the price for a two-update SMA. Almost all first-time JAWS users now purchase a license because it is far cheaper than purchasing JAWS outright for $1000 or more. Another advantage of the license arrangement is that there is no activation code to deal with like with an SMA, which makes life easier for both FS and its customers.



Gerald





On 11/16/2020 1:42 PM, Loy wrote:

There is no garantee that the price of the annual home license edition won't go up as well.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA



No, it's obvious what FS is trying to do. They are deliberately making a two-upgrade SMA more expensive for $210 than a two-year license for $180,because they want to gradually migrate all JAWS customers to the licensing arrangement and eliminate the SMA arrangement altogether. Now that JAWS has reached a plateau and few new features can be expected in the future, many JAWS users may simply decide to let their SMA's lapse. But by gradually switching them to the licensing arrangement, JAWS users will have to renew their licenses annually which would be more profitable for FS in the long run.



Gerald







On 11/16/2020 12:33 PM, John Doering wrote:
Boy, that is a jump in price. That should be for 2 upgrades.
After updating to 2021, I checked and JAWS indicates I have 1 more remaining upgrade. Should that be reporting correctly or is there something to do to make sure that field in "About" is correct?

Thanks,



John Doering
Pricing Analyst
Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

Hi, Don. They told me the price of a new SMA after January 1 will be $210.00.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws SMA

Well I used my last SMA to upgrade to 2021. If I remember correctly I purchased my last SMA for $120 two years ago. Now I am told that the cost will be $150 and that price is only good until Jan 1. Don't know what the price will be after that.






























moderated Re: Jaws SMA

Van Lant, Robin
 

I didn’t have to wait that long. I called at maybe 2:00 Eastern and waited maybe 5 minutes.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 12:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

 

Have you tried getting through to purchase a new SMA these days? I’m now on hold and have been for near past 30-minutes...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

 

 

That's true, but if FS wants to migrate all JAWS customers to the licensing arrangement, they will probably still keep the price of a two-year license ower than the price for a two-update SMA.  Almost all first-time JAWS users now purchase a license because it is far cheaper than purchasing JAWS outright for $1000 or more.  Another advantage of the license arrangement is that there is no activation code to deal with like with an SMA, which makes life easier for both FS and its customers. 

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/16/2020 1:42 PM, Loy wrote:



There is no garantee that the price of the annual home license edition won't go up as well.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 1:17 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

 

 

No, it's obvious what FS is trying to do.  They are deliberately making a two-upgrade SMA more expensive for $210 than a two-year license for $180,because they want to gradually migrate all JAWS customers to the licensing arrangement and eliminate the SMA arrangement altogether. Now that JAWS has reached a plateau and few new features can be expected in the future, many JAWS users may simply decide to let their SMA's lapse.  But by gradually switching them to the licensing arrangement, JAWS users will have to renew their licenses annually which would be more profitable for FS in the long run.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

On 11/16/2020 12:33 PM, John Doering wrote:

Boy, that is a jump in price.  That should be for 2 upgrades.
After updating to 2021, I checked and JAWS indicates I have 1 more remaining upgrade.  Should that be reporting correctly or is there something to do to make sure that field in "About" is correct?
 
Thanks,
 
 
 
John Doering 
Pricing Analyst 
Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063 
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214 
https://ibvi.org
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA
 
Hi, Don. They told me the price of a new SMA after January 1 will be $210.00.
 
Bill White
billwhite92701@...
 
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws SMA
 
Well I used my last SMA to upgrade to 2021.  If I remember correctly I purchased my last SMA for $120 two years ago.  Now I am told that the cost will be $150 and that price is only good until Jan 1.  Don't know what the price will be after that.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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moderated Re: Jaws SMA

Rick Mladek
 

Was on hold for over an hour before all taken care of... totally ridiculous even with all working from home, should have more Reps... Nevertheless, all taken care of...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

Called last week and got answered with under five minutes. If you're calling the sales department. Which is 1-800-444-4443 option number three.
On Nov 16, 2020, at 1:25 PM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:

Have you tried getting through to purchase a new SMA these days? I’m now on hold and have been for near past 30-minutes...

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA



That's true, but if FS wants to migrate all JAWS customers to the licensing arrangement, they will probably still keep the price of a two-year license ower than the price for a two-update SMA. Almost all first-time JAWS users now purchase a license because it is far cheaper than purchasing JAWS outright for $1000 or more. Another advantage of the license arrangement is that there is no activation code to deal with like with an SMA, which makes life easier for both FS and its customers.



Gerald





On 11/16/2020 1:42 PM, Loy wrote:

There is no garantee that the price of the annual home license edition won't go up as well.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA



No, it's obvious what FS is trying to do. They are deliberately making a two-upgrade SMA more expensive for $210 than a two-year license for $180,because they want to gradually migrate all JAWS customers to the licensing arrangement and eliminate the SMA arrangement altogether. Now that JAWS has reached a plateau and few new features can be expected in the future, many JAWS users may simply decide to let their SMA's lapse. But by gradually switching them to the licensing arrangement, JAWS users will have to renew their licenses annually which would be more profitable for FS in the long run.



Gerald







On 11/16/2020 12:33 PM, John Doering wrote:
Boy, that is a jump in price. That should be for 2 upgrades.
After updating to 2021, I checked and JAWS indicates I have 1 more remaining upgrade. Should that be reporting correctly or is there something to do to make sure that field in "About" is correct?

Thanks,



John Doering
Pricing Analyst
Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org
Industries for the Blind & Visually Impaired accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

Hi, Don. They told me the price of a new SMA after January 1 will be $210.00.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws SMA

Well I used my last SMA to upgrade to 2021. If I remember correctly I purchased my last SMA for $120 two years ago. Now I am told that the cost will be $150 and that price is only good until Jan 1. Don't know what the price will be after that.




















moderated Re: Jaws SMA

Joseph Hudson
 

Called last week and got answered with under five minutes. If you're calling the sales department. Which is 1-800-444-4443 option number three.

On Nov 16, 2020, at 1:25 PM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:

Have you tried getting through to purchase a new SMA these days? I’m now on hold and have been for near past 30-minutes...

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA



That's true, but if FS wants to migrate all JAWS customers to the licensing arrangement, they will probably still keep the price of a two-year license ower than the price for a two-update SMA. Almost all first-time JAWS users now purchase a license because it is far cheaper than purchasing JAWS outright for $1000 or more. Another advantage of the license arrangement is that there is no activation code to deal with like with an SMA, which makes life easier for both FS and its customers.



Gerald





On 11/16/2020 1:42 PM, Loy wrote:

There is no garantee that the price of the annual home license edition won't go up as well.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA



No, it's obvious what FS is trying to do. They are deliberately making a two-upgrade SMA more expensive for $210 than a two-year license for $180,because they want to gradually migrate all JAWS customers to the licensing arrangement and eliminate the SMA arrangement altogether. Now that JAWS has reached a plateau and few new features can be expected in the future, many JAWS users may simply decide to let their SMA's lapse. But by gradually switching them to the licensing arrangement, JAWS users will have to renew their licenses annually which would be more profitable for FS in the long run.



Gerald







On 11/16/2020 12:33 PM, John Doering wrote:
Boy, that is a jump in price. That should be for 2 upgrades.
After updating to 2021, I checked and JAWS indicates I have 1 more remaining upgrade. Should that be reporting correctly or is there something to do to make sure that field in "About" is correct?

Thanks,



John Doering
Pricing Analyst
Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

Hi, Don. They told me the price of a new SMA after January 1 will be $210.00.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws SMA

Well I used my last SMA to upgrade to 2021. If I remember correctly I purchased my last SMA for $120 two years ago. Now I am told that the cost will be $150 and that price is only good until Jan 1. Don't know what the price will be after that.




















moderated Re: form fields in word

 

Cynthia,

         You cannot send an attachment to the group, as they get stripped off (or at least they do on the web interface, which is how I read).  Please use the Reply to Sender link at the bottom of this message and your e-mail client will open a message addressed to me alone, and attach the document to that.

Thanks.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Problem with Jaws 2021 and Brave browser

T. Civitello
 

I am having a problem with the "say all" command in the latest version 2021 of Jaws. Using the Brave Web browser, Random words are spoken with a rising pitch, like capitalized letters are. At times it occurs every few words and is very annoying. A friend looked at the screen an could not see any thing that would cause this. It doesn't happen with IE or Edge. Does anyone else have this problem or a cure.  Tom


moderated Re: Jaws SMA

Tom Behler
 

Ok, thanks.

May have to go that route here too.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

No I sent them a Email because I could not see a way to purchase a SMA on their web site.

On 11/16/2020 1:12 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
Don:

Did you get an official notice from Freedom Scientific about renewing your SMA with the new price increase?

I've yet to receive anything, and I usually receive something by now.

My SMA is due for renewal as well.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 12:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws SMA

Well I used my last SMA to upgrade to 2021. If I remember correctly I purchased my last SMA for $120 two years ago. Now I am told that the cost will be $150 and that price is only good until Jan 1. Don't know what the price will be after that.













moderated Re: Jaws SMA

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Here is the link, tom.

 

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Products/UpgradeAndSMARenewal

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of T. Civitello
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 11:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

 

Could you provide a link to the FS sma renewal page? I couldn’t find it.  Tom

 

Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 11:29 AM

Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

 

That’s why I did it through the web site.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 11:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

 

Have you tried getting through to purchase a new SMA these days? I’m now on hold and have been for near past 30-minutes...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

 

 

That's true, but if FS wants to migrate all JAWS customers to the licensing arrangement, they will probably still keep the price of a two-year license ower than the price for a two-update SMA.  Almost all first-time JAWS users now purchase a license because it is far cheaper than purchasing JAWS outright for $1000 or more.  Another advantage of the license arrangement is that there is no activation code to deal with like with an SMA, which makes life easier for both FS and its customers. 

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/16/2020 1:42 PM, Loy wrote:



There is no garantee that the price of the annual home license edition won't go up as well.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 1:17 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

 

 

No, it's obvious what FS is trying to do.  They are deliberately making a two-upgrade SMA more expensive for $210 than a two-year license for $180,because they want to gradually migrate all JAWS customers to the licensing arrangement and eliminate the SMA arrangement altogether. Now that JAWS has reached a plateau and few new features can be expected in the future, many JAWS users may simply decide to let their SMA's lapse.  But by gradually switching them to the licensing arrangement, JAWS users will have to renew their licenses annually which would be more profitable for FS in the long run.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

On 11/16/2020 12:33 PM, John Doering wrote:

Boy, that is a jump in price.  That should be for 2 upgrades.
After updating to 2021, I checked and JAWS indicates I have 1 more remaining upgrade.  Should that be reporting correctly or is there something to do to make sure that field in "About" is correct?
 
Thanks,
 
 
 
John Doering 
Pricing Analyst 
Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063 
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214 
https://ibvi.org
Industries for the Blind & Visually Impaired accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA
 
Hi, Don. They told me the price of a new SMA after January 1 will be $210.00.
 
Bill White
billwhite92701@...
 
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws SMA
 
Well I used my last SMA to upgrade to 2021.  If I remember correctly I purchased my last SMA for $120 two years ago.  Now I am told that the cost will be $150 and that price is only good until Jan 1.  Don't know what the price will be after that.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


moderated Re: Jaws SMA renewal page

Richard Turner
 

Here is the  link to the SMA renewal page.

You will need to paste in your serial number.

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Products/UpgradeAndSMARenewal

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of T. Civitello
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 11:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

 

Could you provide a link to the FS sma renewal page? I couldn’t find it.  Tom

 

Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 11:29 AM

Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

 

That’s why I did it through the web site.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 11:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

 

Have you tried getting through to purchase a new SMA these days? I’m now on hold and have been for near past 30-minutes...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

 

 

That's true, but if FS wants to migrate all JAWS customers to the licensing arrangement, they will probably still keep the price of a two-year license ower than the price for a two-update SMA.  Almost all first-time JAWS users now purchase a license because it is far cheaper than purchasing JAWS outright for $1000 or more.  Another advantage of the license arrangement is that there is no activation code to deal with like with an SMA, which makes life easier for both FS and its customers. 

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/16/2020 1:42 PM, Loy wrote:



There is no garantee that the price of the annual home license edition won't go up as well.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 1:17 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

 

 

No, it's obvious what FS is trying to do.  They are deliberately making a two-upgrade SMA more expensive for $210 than a two-year license for $180,because they want to gradually migrate all JAWS customers to the licensing arrangement and eliminate the SMA arrangement altogether. Now that JAWS has reached a plateau and few new features can be expected in the future, many JAWS users may simply decide to let their SMA's lapse.  But by gradually switching them to the licensing arrangement, JAWS users will have to renew their licenses annually which would be more profitable for FS in the long run.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

On 11/16/2020 12:33 PM, John Doering wrote:

Boy, that is a jump in price.  That should be for 2 upgrades.
After updating to 2021, I checked and JAWS indicates I have 1 more remaining upgrade.  Should that be reporting correctly or is there something to do to make sure that field in "About" is correct?
 
Thanks,
 
 
 
John Doering 
Pricing Analyst 
Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063 
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214 
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA
 
Hi, Don. They told me the price of a new SMA after January 1 will be $210.00.
 
Bill White
billwhite92701@...
 
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws SMA
 
Well I used my last SMA to upgrade to 2021.  If I remember correctly I purchased my last SMA for $120 two years ago.  Now I am told that the cost will be $150 and that price is only good until Jan 1.  Don't know what the price will be after that.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


moderated Re: form fields in word

Cynthia Bruce
 

Hi Brian,

 

Here it is. Apparently it has been updated over the years by many people. When I first opened this it was in protected mode. I was able to read it fine. When I switched to enable editing, I couldn’t read anything.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 16, 2020 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: form fields in word

 

Cynthia,

           Can you send me a blank copy of the document?  It is impossible to advise accurately unless I actually know what it is that you're dealing with.  It's definitely not a typical fillable form based on what you've said.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Jaws SMA

T. Civitello
 

Could you provide a link to the FS sma renewal page? I couldn’t find it.  Tom
 

Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA
 

That’s why I did it through the web site.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 11:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

 

Have you tried getting through to purchase a new SMA these days? I’m now on hold and have been for near past 30-minutes...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

 

 

That's true, but if FS wants to migrate all JAWS customers to the licensing arrangement, they will probably still keep the price of a two-year license ower than the price for a two-update SMA.  Almost all first-time JAWS users now purchase a license because it is far cheaper than purchasing JAWS outright for $1000 or more.  Another advantage of the license arrangement is that there is no activation code to deal with like with an SMA, which makes life easier for both FS and its customers. 

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/16/2020 1:42 PM, Loy wrote:



There is no garantee that the price of the annual home license edition won't go up as well.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 1:17 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

 

 

No, it's obvious what FS is trying to do.  They are deliberately making a two-upgrade SMA more expensive for $210 than a two-year license for $180,because they want to gradually migrate all JAWS customers to the licensing arrangement and eliminate the SMA arrangement altogether. Now that JAWS has reached a plateau and few new features can be expected in the future, many JAWS users may simply decide to let their SMA's lapse.  But by gradually switching them to the licensing arrangement, JAWS users will have to renew their licenses annually which would be more profitable for FS in the long run.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

On 11/16/2020 12:33 PM, John Doering wrote:

Boy, that is a jump in price.  That should be for 2 upgrades.
After updating to 2021, I checked and JAWS indicates I have 1 more remaining upgrade.  Should that be reporting correctly or is there something to do to make sure that field in "About" is correct?
 
Thanks,
 
 
 
John Doering 
Pricing Analyst 
Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063 
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214 
https://ibvi.org
Industries for the Blind & Visually Impaired accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA
 
Hi, Don. They told me the price of a new SMA after January 1 will be $210.00.
 
Bill White
billwhite92701@...
 
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws SMA
 
Well I used my last SMA to upgrade to 2021.  If I remember correctly I purchased my last SMA for $120 two years ago.  Now I am told that the cost will be $150 and that price is only good until Jan 1.  Don't know what the price will be after that.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


moderated Re: Office 365

Richard Turner
 

Good question.

I’ve not heard great things about Jaws and Microsoft 2019, so I have not really looked into it.

I also haven’t bothered to call Microsoft and ask.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 10:04 AM
To: access-uk@...
Cc: JAWS <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Office 365

 

Hi All,

A question about office 365 version number.

My word and outlook apps and so on is 2016, when there are updates, why don’t my apps get updated to 2019?

Is there a way to get them updated to 2019?

 

Andrew


moderated Re: Jaws SMA

Don H
 

No I sent them a Email because I could not see a way to purchase a SMA on their web site.

On 11/16/2020 1:12 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
Don:
Did you get an official notice from Freedom Scientific about renewing your SMA with the new price increase?
I've yet to receive anything, and I usually receive something by now.
My SMA is due for renewal as well.
Tom Behler
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 12:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws SMA
Well I used my last SMA to upgrade to 2021. If I remember correctly I purchased my last SMA for $120 two years ago. Now I am told that the cost will be $150 and that price is only good until Jan 1. Don't know what the price will be after that.


moderated Re: Jaws SMA

Don H
 

With the quality of the free NVDA screen reader being so good I can't imagine anyone paying $1000 for Jaws.

On 11/16/2020 1:16 PM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:
That's true, but if FS wants to migrate all JAWS customers to the licensing arrangement, they will probably still keep the price of a two-year license ower than the price for a two-update SMA. Almost all first-time JAWS users now purchase a license because it is far cheaper than purchasing JAWS outright for $1000 or more.  Another advantage of the license arrangement is that there is no activation code to deal with like with an SMA, which makes life easier for both FS and its customers.
Gerald
On 11/16/2020 1:42 PM, Loy wrote:

There is no garantee that the price of the annual home license edition won't go up as well.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy via groups.io <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2020 1:17 PM
*Subject:* Re: Jaws SMA


No, it's obvious what FS is trying to do.  They are deliberately making a two-upgrade SMA more expensive for $210 than a two-year license for $180,because they want to gradually migrate all JAWS customers to the licensing arrangement and eliminate the SMA arrangement altogether. Now that JAWS has reached a plateau and few new features can be expected in the future, many JAWS users may simply decide to let their SMA's lapse. But by gradually switching them to the licensing arrangement, JAWS users will have to renew their licenses annually which would be more profitable for FS in the long run.


Gerald




On 11/16/2020 12:33 PM, John Doering wrote:
Boy, that is a jump in price.  That should be for 2 upgrades.
After updating to 2021, I checked and JAWS indicates I have 1 more remaining upgrade.  Should that be reporting correctly or is there something to do to make sure that field in "About" is correct?

Thanks,



John Doering
Pricing Analyst
Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org
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-----Original Message-----
From:main@jfw.groups.io  <main@jfw.groups.io>  On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 11:23 AM
To:main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

Hi, Don. They told me the price of a new SMA after January 1 will be $210.00.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From:main@jfw.groups.io  [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 9:11 AM
To:main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws SMA

Well I used my last SMA to upgrade to 2021.  If I remember correctly I purchased my last SMA for $120 two years ago.  Now I am told that the cost will be $150 and that price is only good until Jan 1.  Don't know what the price will be after that.



















moderated Re: Jaws SMA

Richard Turner
 

That’s why I did it through the web site.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 11:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

 

Have you tried getting through to purchase a new SMA these days? I’m now on hold and have been for near past 30-minutes...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

 

 

That's true, but if FS wants to migrate all JAWS customers to the licensing arrangement, they will probably still keep the price of a two-year license ower than the price for a two-update SMA.  Almost all first-time JAWS users now purchase a license because it is far cheaper than purchasing JAWS outright for $1000 or more.  Another advantage of the license arrangement is that there is no activation code to deal with like with an SMA, which makes life easier for both FS and its customers. 

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/16/2020 1:42 PM, Loy wrote:



There is no garantee that the price of the annual home license edition won't go up as well.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 1:17 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

 

 

No, it's obvious what FS is trying to do.  They are deliberately making a two-upgrade SMA more expensive for $210 than a two-year license for $180,because they want to gradually migrate all JAWS customers to the licensing arrangement and eliminate the SMA arrangement altogether. Now that JAWS has reached a plateau and few new features can be expected in the future, many JAWS users may simply decide to let their SMA's lapse.  But by gradually switching them to the licensing arrangement, JAWS users will have to renew their licenses annually which would be more profitable for FS in the long run.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

On 11/16/2020 12:33 PM, John Doering wrote:

Boy, that is a jump in price.  That should be for 2 upgrades.
After updating to 2021, I checked and JAWS indicates I have 1 more remaining upgrade.  Should that be reporting correctly or is there something to do to make sure that field in "About" is correct?
 
Thanks,
 
 
 
John Doering 
Pricing Analyst 
Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063 
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214 
https://ibvi.org
Industries for the Blind & Visually Impaired accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA
 
Hi, Don. They told me the price of a new SMA after January 1 will be $210.00.
 
Bill White
billwhite92701@...
 
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws SMA
 
Well I used my last SMA to upgrade to 2021.  If I remember correctly I purchased my last SMA for $120 two years ago.  Now I am told that the cost will be $150 and that price is only good until Jan 1.  Don't know what the price will be after that.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


moderated Re: Jaws SMA

Rick Mladek
 

Have you tried getting through to purchase a new SMA these days? I’m now on hold and have been for near past 30-minutes...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

 

 

That's true, but if FS wants to migrate all JAWS customers to the licensing arrangement, they will probably still keep the price of a two-year license ower than the price for a two-update SMA.  Almost all first-time JAWS users now purchase a license because it is far cheaper than purchasing JAWS outright for $1000 or more.  Another advantage of the license arrangement is that there is no activation code to deal with like with an SMA, which makes life easier for both FS and its customers. 

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/16/2020 1:42 PM, Loy wrote:



There is no garantee that the price of the annual home license edition won't go up as well.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 1:17 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws SMA

 

 

No, it's obvious what FS is trying to do.  They are deliberately making a two-upgrade SMA more expensive for $210 than a two-year license for $180,because they want to gradually migrate all JAWS customers to the licensing arrangement and eliminate the SMA arrangement altogether. Now that JAWS has reached a plateau and few new features can be expected in the future, many JAWS users may simply decide to let their SMA's lapse.  But by gradually switching them to the licensing arrangement, JAWS users will have to renew their licenses annually which would be more profitable for FS in the long run.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

On 11/16/2020 12:33 PM, John Doering wrote:

Boy, that is a jump in price.  That should be for 2 upgrades.
After updating to 2021, I checked and JAWS indicates I have 1 more remaining upgrade.  Should that be reporting correctly or is there something to do to make sure that field in "About" is correct?
 
Thanks,
 
 
 
John Doering 
Pricing Analyst 
Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063 
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214 
https://ibvi.org
Industries for the Blind & Visually Impaired accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws SMA
 
Hi, Don. They told me the price of a new SMA after January 1 will be $210.00.
 
Bill White
billwhite92701@...
 
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws SMA
 
Well I used my last SMA to upgrade to 2021.  If I remember correctly I purchased my last SMA for $120 two years ago.  Now I am told that the cost will be $150 and that price is only good until Jan 1.  Don't know what the price will be after that.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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