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Re: New computer specs
Tyler Wood
Hello,
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The i9 is, in fact, not a typo, and is far ahead of its time. In a laptop cooling just isn't enough. In desktops not so much - but in the laptop form factor it is a 45 wat chip that has 8 cores and 16 threads. Intel is getting far too big for its britches since most Windows applications that we use on a daily basis are not optimized for multi core usage apart from video or audio editing. That said, 16 GB of ram is beyond sufficient for someone who is simply doing office and web browsing tasks. In 6 years it may become equal to the 4 GB we have now, but generally with a fast NVME solid state drive you're going to do just fine regardless of i3, i5 or i7. An i5 is a nice compromise though and I'd certainly recommend at least that versus the i3. An i7 and mechanical drive is going to be a heck of a lot slower overall than an i3 with that fast ssd. These 8th and 9th generation Intel processors are already ridiculously fast and we're at an age when programs need to become optimized to take advantage of the power we have rather than the opposite.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett Sent: August 25, 2019 2:03 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose. Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz. But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any. I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them. On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:
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Re: RestoringtJaws access
Randy Barnett
You need the 26 digit authorization code from FS entered before you can activate jaws.
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Although you can go to FS Activate and see if you have any luck.
On 8/25/2019 5:46 AM, Dave Durber wrote:
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It's never a bother. :) I am here to help. Glad you got it worked
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Re: New computer specs
James Homuth
I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose. Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz. But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any. I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them. On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:
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Re: New computer specs
James Homuth
Eh, that's even less of a problem now if you're running Windows 10. Look up
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"Fast Startup". Basically, "shut down" doesn't mean what it used to. Even if you're running a mechanical drive if you want performance increases that'll do it. That being said, if you need to restart your computer, turning it off and back on again no longer does the trick unless that option's disabled--you need to actually hit restart. To address the rest of your point though, everything's relative. I haven't had to replace the mechanical drive in this 4-year-old laptop yet. I did have to replace the drive in a 7-year-old desktop, and the replacement outlasted the desktop--it became an external drive when the desktop gave up the ghost. On the other hand, your SSD could fail tomorrow. The difference is when that goes, you're a lot more pooched--the data recovery tricks of old won't work on it quite so well.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood Sent: August-25-19 11:56 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs Hi, The GPU does not free up the processor whatsoever and, in fact, is a completely different animal than a processor. The GPU in your machine may not, in fact, be used if you are getting 15 hours of batterylife. There is something called Optymous technology from Nvidia that when used, allows the independent graphics card to power off while the dedicated Intel HD graphics does its thing, and that sounds exactly what is going on in your use case. Few people seem to realize that shift f10 performs the exact same action as applications key - and barring that, you can use sharp keys to remap a key to the right of the space bar to that if you so choose. Regarding the comment about an SSD not lasting long - I have a Toshiba laptop here from 2012 that still has 85% of its life remaining. In that time I have had 5 mechanical drives fail, without warning, and only 2 of which made any actual noise to tell me so. These days if a laptop or computer in general does not shut down, you will get a message popping up on screen from your screen reader if you have it set to run at log on, telling you the following programs are still running in the background and giving you the option to shut down anyway or cancel. The benefits of a solid state drive to batterylife and speed are so beyond amazing compared with a spinning mechanical drive. Expect the machine to boot in less than 30 seconds regardless what programs run at startup - add another 15 or 20, maybe, to get said programs running. You can start using the machine as soon as the screen reader is running, no more waiting to get to the desktop to check a simple email or modify one line in a word document. Resuming from sleep happens in less than 1.5 seconds these days. Far more pluses than drawbacks, in my view. Just my $.02! -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel Sent: August 25, 2019 8:12 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs Hi all, Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I find they often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself regularly, which is very annoying! I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so a couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb ram. It seems to be working well with minimal lags. I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't have all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an apps key and I can't remember which key Dell didn't have. In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB RAM and upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb SSD storage, 15 hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the keys (except a numpad which I don't need anyway). It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing to sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent graphics card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent graphics cards that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an independent graphics card in order to free up the processor so I can do the things I need to do with minimal lags. I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar), and whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test websites and some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any that I like yet. I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this helps you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck. Zel -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows 10 and maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands and thousands of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no need for anything larger. Having said this when it comes to price and what you get for it a 500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb SSD seems to be in the sweet spot right now. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective. I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD. Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case. Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all? I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some MP3 audio. All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM Subject: Re: New computer specs A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he wasup. Thus, I agree with Feliciano.
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Re: New computer specs
Randy Barnett
More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose. Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz. But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.
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I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.
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Re: New computer specs
Jason White
The reviews at notebookcheck.net appear to be thorough and informed. It's a good site for anyone contemplating a new laptop.
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A screen reader such as JAWS inevitably consumes CPU time and memory resources. If the computer has more capacity than you need (which I would recommend - unless you're planning another purchase in the next three years), then this should raise any problems. If it fits your budget, a laptop with an NVM Express SSD would be worth investigating. These are, as I understand it, considerably faster than drives connected via a traditional SATA interface. My current Windows laptop has NVM-Express.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 1:45 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs Hi Andrew, Sorry for all of the messages from me in particular, but here is an example of a notebookcheck review of, in this case, the Think Book 13s. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkBook-13s-Laptop-Review-A-Business- Laptop-but-no-TrackPoint.428235.0.html Note that each part of the review is separated by headings. There are a few images which you can arrow past in these reviews, but overall you will get an idea. I hope this helps in your research. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs Sent: August 25, 2019 12:31 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs Don't worry about it. We are on the same page. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood Sent: August 25, 2019 10:31 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs Hello David, I'm still struggling to understand your point. They do use it on a daily basis for youtube, Microsoft word/excel, and some music listening. Yet they don't store anything of value on the internal hard drive - their music is streamed via spotify (which, by the way, is accessible with jaws). My point being that use cases are different. I was in no way implying that he shouldn't get a larger drive, but what you or I may do may be far different than what someone else does, and therefore their storage needs might be different. Remember that daily web browsing and light office work doesn't add up to much space used in the grand scheme of things and even in the last 10 years that has hardly changed a bit. A bigger drive doesn't translate to faster speeds, either. Though with the prices of solid state drives decreasing I don't see a problem with 512 gb if you can afford it - years ago that could have made the price skyrocket, not so much anymore. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs Sent: August 25, 2019 12:02 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs Tylor, sorry your post reminded me of a woman who years ago said she didn't need a car to get around. Why? Because she was getting other people to ferry her around. She was not even taking the bus, others would drive her around in their own vehicles. My cousin told her mother she could get by on $20 worth of gas per month. She left out the fact that she was getting others to drive her around too. Anyone could make $20 in gas last for a month if it just sat in their drive. My point? If your parents don't use their computer that much they don't need a big hard drive. Btw, I too use an external hard drive and had a SSD installed in this computer, mainly because the drive was so old. It was so old that when I took it to a tech to see if it could be used as an external hard drive, I was told they could not recover anything on it. Which meant it was destined for the garbage, no use could ever be got out of it. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood Sent: August 25, 2019 9:22 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs You've certainly got a point there, but your use case may be far different than others. Some people don't use half of 128 gb, for example. My parents have a Toshiba laptop from 2012 with a 256 gb drive. They haven't used half of it since they've had it - and that also includes their pictures and videos, though those are backed up to an external hard drive, which is my recommendation for most things people would like to keep long term. That being said if you can afford to get 512 gb, it isn't a bad thing at all since this is an investment of your money and if this is going to be your primary machine, it might be worth your while. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G Sent: August 25, 2019 11:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs 256GB is not all that much when you factor in OS/ software, files, media and back ups over a 6 year period. from devices. Feliciano For tech tips and updates: LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs On Aug 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:sleep happens in less than 1.5 seconds these days. Far more pluses than drawbacks, in my view.like yet.
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James Homuth
That used to be true in the early 2000's or so, but not so much now. There's
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a reason most computer manufacturers don't offer you a warranty longer than 3 or 4 years. After about that long, your stuff gets left behind. A machine that could run Vista or 7 may not be able to run 10. A machine that could run XP may not be able to run Vista or 7. And good luck getting Windows 10 to run on a machine that was built back in the days of Windows 98. Apps, Operating Systems, and all the rest are getting more demanding on resources now. When they say you need a minimum of 4 GB to run Windows 10, they're not kidding. And at 4 GB, you're running Windows 10 in ES mode. If you don't want to be replacing your machine in 4 years, you need to plan for your machine to be able to still keep up in 4 years. Most people... don't.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny Sent: August-25-19 12:31 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs What affects a computer in opening programs is not all that RAM and processor, it is how new it is. As we install programs, Windows the operating system slows down. Just remember how fast our current computer was when it was new. If folks want a fast machine, keep one with very little installed on it and use another one for all the apps. Mark my words, you can get a fast processor, tons of RAM, and in a year, it too will be slow, unless you don't install a bunch of programs on it. Or you can save your critical data from the one you have, and restore it to factory new and start over with it. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zel Iscel" <zel@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 8:12 AM Subject: Re: New computer specs Hi all, Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I find they often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself regularly, which is very annoying! I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so a couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb ram. It seems to be working well with minimal lags. I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't have all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an apps key and I can't remember which key Dell didn't have. In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB RAM and upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb SSD storage, 15 hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the keys (except a numpad which I don't need anyway). It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing to sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent graphics card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent graphics cards that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an independent graphics card in order to free up the processor so I can do the things I need to do with minimal lags. I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar), and whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test websites and some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any that I like yet. I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this helps you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck. Zel -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows 10 and maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands and thousands of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no need for anything larger. Having said this when it comes to price and what you get for it a 500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb SSD seems to be in the sweet spot right now. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective. I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD. Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case. Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all? I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some MP3 audio. All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM Subject: Re: New computer specs A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was
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Chris Hill
There really is too slow. A client of mine, before she knew me, had to have a windows 7 machine as a new computer. She bought what was available, when windows 7 was a rare bird indeed. Talk about a miserable experience! If one buys a recent generation of intel or amd processor, middle of the road, not the bottom end, they will likely be happy for many years.
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What affects a computer in opening programs is not all that RAM and processor, it is how new it is.
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Rick Mladek
The concern is the caller being able to hear jaws when they communicate with
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this individual. If this is the result when both speak on the same side, then the employer surely will have a problem with this. The only other option would be braille display for the individual when still being able to hear the caller undisturbed.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 12:52 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input Here is the problem: we don't know what the final situation will be. He is looking for a job in customer service. He needs to be able to demonstrate that he can do the job with ... something. No vision and one ear is hard to sell, unless of course he can point to a configured device and show how it will work, perhaps with any system.
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Glenn / Lenny
What affects a computer in opening programs is not all that RAM and processor, it is how new it is.
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As we install programs, Windows the operating system slows down. Just remember how fast our current computer was when it was new. If folks want a fast machine, keep one with very little installed on it and use another one for all the apps. Mark my words, you can get a fast processor, tons of RAM, and in a year, it too will be slow, unless you don't install a bunch of programs on it. Or you can save your critical data from the one you have, and restore it to factory new and start over with it. Glenn
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From: "Zel Iscel" <zel@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 8:12 AM Subject: Re: New computer specs Hi all, Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I find they often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself regularly, which is very annoying! I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so a couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb ram. It seems to be working well with minimal lags. I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't have all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an apps key and I can't remember which key Dell didn't have. In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB RAM and upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb SSD storage, 15 hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the keys (except a numpad which I don't need anyway). It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing to sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent graphics card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent graphics cards that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an independent graphics card in order to free up the processor so I can do the things I need to do with minimal lags. I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar), and whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test websites and some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any that I like yet. I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this helps you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck. Zel -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows 10 and maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands and thousands of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no need for anything larger. Having said this when it comes to price and what you get for it a 500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb SSD seems to be in the sweet spot right now. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective. I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD. Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case. Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all? I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some MP3 audio. All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM Subject: Re: New computer specs A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was
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James Homuth
That depends if you're looking long-term or not. 2 years ago, you could get by if you brought your laptop to college on having 4 GB of RAM, even with a SSD. Now, the minimum specs for a college program up here say you need at least 8 GB. That's the minimum, so if you can spring for more, you probably should. And if you're in a more specialised program, like for example computer programming, should becomes must quick, fast and in a hurry.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny Sent: August-25-19 12:45 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs For what most of us do with computers, I don't think we would see a difference between processors in terms of performance. And with an SSD for the temp memory, all that RAM isn't even all that necessary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Wood" <tcwood12@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 11:09 AM Subject: Re: New computer specs I remember those days, though it has been quite some time. Intel hd graphics is more than sufficient these days. I remember when having a dedicated GPU helped screen reader performance in web browsing - but this isn't the case any more - and if you have no use cases for a dedicated card, put that money towards warranty, more ram, or drive storage. Everyone goes on about how horrible Intel Atom processors are, but my t100, 5 years later, still gets 20 hours of batterylife, still does the basic tasks, and cost me less than $500 when I bought it. I will preach this. Solid state drives are 99% of your performance gains these days. Processors don't mean anything if you have a spinning drive to go along with them if you are being bottlenecked by your mechanical hard drive. That is not to say they are no longer valid. I back up to them regularly. But expect them to fail - solid state technology has come so far that this is far less likely with them, though it can still doubtlessly happen, just like anything else, and backing up is something far too many take for granted. I'm very happy I got Lenovo 3 year on site and tech replacement warranty as well as accident protection. I got this machine at a fantastic price, though, otherwise I was looking at the Dell Latitude series. The really nice thing about this machine is despite how thin it is, the back comes off with just a few screws, and the ram, storage, wireless card, battery, and fans are readily available, which makes it nice and easy if I need anything replaced. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: August 25, 2019 10:36 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs I recall that there were issues with graphics cards from ATI. most of the time, NVIDIA cards worked okay. but that hasn't been an issue for some time. -------- Original Message -------- From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@...] To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Sunday, August 25, 2019, 12:59 AM Subject: New computer specs The only reason to have the faster processors is if you are editing large audio or video files and multitasking with some processor heavy software, which most people do not do. And, if I remember correctly; which may be a big if, those graphic cards he mentioned have been problematic with Jaws. Unless he has some software that is requiring it, which would be surprising. I will never go back to a standard HD drive after using my SSD drive now for a year. Richard Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:52 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote: Hi, This is completely, 100% true. Although using a solid state drive in 2019 is almost a must - at least for those that have experienced one. But so far as other sspecs are concerned there are too many people out there that equate an i7 or i9 to being better and that simply isn't true for just about 99% of use case scenarios. Now that I look back at the specs, what are you needing a dedicated Nvidia Graphics card for in particular? Intel hd graphics does just fine so far as Jaws is concerned. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny Sent: August 24, 2019 11:41 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective. I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD. Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case. Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all? I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some MP3 audio. All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM Subject: Re: New computer specs A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was a refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out to be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time it booted up. Thus, I agree with Feliciano. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive. Feliciano For tech tips and updates: LIKE https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.facebook.com%2Ftheblindman12v&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ceb279c9b675d4bef8e3308d729181399%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637023055690711327&sdata=WyTazzig6ubyNVYKdwyqDlytSTUB%2BeC4jzAAmwmZytY%3D&reserved=0 Follow https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.twitter.com%2Ftheblindman12v&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ceb279c9b675d4bef8e3308d729181399%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637023055690711327&sdata=79BjhGpgq2IoxLpXCTnNbN0KM3QCTuhViFByE3ETx%2Fw%3D&reserved=0 Follow https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.instagram%2FTheBlindMan12v&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ceb279c9b675d4bef8e3308d729181399%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637023055690711327&sdata=amyu%2B8XjDXr%2BkVrj8Vo9aQ3BqDVQP%2BFZY6avpswARg4%3D&reserved=0 those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...> wrote: Hello all. Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs: I9 processor 16 GB ram 256 GB SSD NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use? Appreciate any advise. Thank you- Andrew
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For what most of us do with computers, I don't think we would see a
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difference between processors in terms of performance. And with an SSD for the temp memory, all that RAM isn't even all that necessary.
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From: "Tyler Wood" <tcwood12@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 11:09 AM Subject: Re: New computer specs I remember those days, though it has been quite some time. Intel hd graphics is more than sufficient these days. I remember when having a dedicated GPU helped screen reader performance in web browsing - but this isn't the case any more - and if you have no use cases for a dedicated card, put that money towards warranty, more ram, or drive storage. Everyone goes on about how horrible Intel Atom processors are, but my t100, 5 years later, still gets 20 hours of batterylife, still does the basic tasks, and cost me less than $500 when I bought it. I will preach this. Solid state drives are 99% of your performance gains these days. Processors don't mean anything if you have a spinning drive to go along with them if you are being bottlenecked by your mechanical hard drive. That is not to say they are no longer valid. I back up to them regularly. But expect them to fail - solid state technology has come so far that this is far less likely with them, though it can still doubtlessly happen, just like anything else, and backing up is something far too many take for granted. I'm very happy I got Lenovo 3 year on site and tech replacement warranty as well as accident protection. I got this machine at a fantastic price, though, otherwise I was looking at the Dell Latitude series. The really nice thing about this machine is despite how thin it is, the back comes off with just a few screws, and the ram, storage, wireless card, battery, and fans are readily available, which makes it nice and easy if I need anything replaced. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: August 25, 2019 10:36 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs I recall that there were issues with graphics cards from ATI. most of the time, NVIDIA cards worked okay. but that hasn't been an issue for some time. -------- Original Message -------- From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@...] To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Sunday, August 25, 2019, 12:59 AM Subject: New computer specs The only reason to have the faster processors is if you are editing large audio or video files and multitasking with some processor heavy software, which most people do not do. And, if I remember correctly; which may be a big if, those graphic cards he mentioned have been problematic with Jaws. Unless he has some software that is requiring it, which would be surprising. I will never go back to a standard HD drive after using my SSD drive now for a year. Richard Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:52 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote: Hi, This is completely, 100% true. Although using a solid state drive in 2019 is almost a must - at least for those that have experienced one. But so far as other sspecs are concerned there are too many people out there that equate an i7 or i9 to being better and that simply isn't true for just about 99% of use case scenarios. Now that I look back at the specs, what are you needing a dedicated Nvidia Graphics card for in particular? Intel hd graphics does just fine so far as Jaws is concerned. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny Sent: August 24, 2019 11:41 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective. I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD. Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case. Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all? I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some MP3 audio. All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM Subject: Re: New computer specs A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was a refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out to be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time it booted up. Thus, I agree with Feliciano. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive. Feliciano For tech tips and updates: LIKE https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.facebook.com%2Ftheblindman12v&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ceb279c9b675d4bef8e3308d729181399%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637023055690711327&sdata=WyTazzig6ubyNVYKdwyqDlytSTUB%2BeC4jzAAmwmZytY%3D&reserved=0 Follow https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.twitter.com%2Ftheblindman12v&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ceb279c9b675d4bef8e3308d729181399%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637023055690711327&sdata=79BjhGpgq2IoxLpXCTnNbN0KM3QCTuhViFByE3ETx%2Fw%3D&reserved=0 Follow https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.instagram%2FTheBlindMan12v&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ceb279c9b675d4bef8e3308d729181399%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637023055690711327&sdata=amyu%2B8XjDXr%2BkVrj8Vo9aQ3BqDVQP%2BFZY6avpswARg4%3D&reserved=0 those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...> wrote: Hello all. Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs: I9 processor 16 GB ram 256 GB SSD NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use? Appreciate any advise. Thank you- Andrew
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Hi, How do I join?Why did this happen? Thanks, Jessica
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Re: New computer specs
Tyler Wood
Hi Andrew,
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Sorry for all of the messages from me in particular, but here is an example of a notebookcheck review of, in this case, the Think Book 13s. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkBook-13s-Laptop-Review-A-Business- Laptop-but-no-TrackPoint.428235.0.html Note that each part of the review is separated by headings. There are a few images which you can arrow past in these reviews, but overall you will get an idea. I hope this helps in your research.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs Sent: August 25, 2019 12:31 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs Don't worry about it. We are on the same page. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood Sent: August 25, 2019 10:31 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs Hello David, I'm still struggling to understand your point. They do use it on a daily basis for youtube, Microsoft word/excel, and some music listening. Yet they don't store anything of value on the internal hard drive - their music is streamed via spotify (which, by the way, is accessible with jaws). My point being that use cases are different. I was in no way implying that he shouldn't get a larger drive, but what you or I may do may be far different than what someone else does, and therefore their storage needs might be different. Remember that daily web browsing and light office work doesn't add up to much space used in the grand scheme of things and even in the last 10 years that has hardly changed a bit. A bigger drive doesn't translate to faster speeds, either. Though with the prices of solid state drives decreasing I don't see a problem with 512 gb if you can afford it - years ago that could have made the price skyrocket, not so much anymore. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs Sent: August 25, 2019 12:02 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs Tylor, sorry your post reminded me of a woman who years ago said she didn't need a car to get around. Why? Because she was getting other people to ferry her around. She was not even taking the bus, others would drive her around in their own vehicles. My cousin told her mother she could get by on $20 worth of gas per month. She left out the fact that she was getting others to drive her around too. Anyone could make $20 in gas last for a month if it just sat in their drive. My point? If your parents don't use their computer that much they don't need a big hard drive. Btw, I too use an external hard drive and had a SSD installed in this computer, mainly because the drive was so old. It was so old that when I took it to a tech to see if it could be used as an external hard drive, I was told they could not recover anything on it. Which meant it was destined for the garbage, no use could ever be got out of it. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood Sent: August 25, 2019 9:22 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs You've certainly got a point there, but your use case may be far different than others. Some people don't use half of 128 gb, for example. My parents have a Toshiba laptop from 2012 with a 256 gb drive. They haven't used half of it since they've had it - and that also includes their pictures and videos, though those are backed up to an external hard drive, which is my recommendation for most things people would like to keep long term. That being said if you can afford to get 512 gb, it isn't a bad thing at all since this is an investment of your money and if this is going to be your primary machine, it might be worth your while. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G Sent: August 25, 2019 11:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs 256GB is not all that much when you factor in OS/ software, files, media and back ups over a 6 year period. from devices. Feliciano For tech tips and updates: LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs On Aug 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:sleep happens in less than 1.5 seconds these days. Far more pluses than drawbacks, in my view.like yet.
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Don't worry about it. We are on the same page.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood Sent: August 25, 2019 10:31 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs Hello David, I'm still struggling to understand your point. They do use it on a daily basis for youtube, Microsoft word/excel, and some music listening. Yet they don't store anything of value on the internal hard drive - their music is streamed via spotify (which, by the way, is accessible with jaws). My point being that use cases are different. I was in no way implying that he shouldn't get a larger drive, but what you or I may do may be far different than what someone else does, and therefore their storage needs might be different. Remember that daily web browsing and light office work doesn't add up to much space used in the grand scheme of things and even in the last 10 years that has hardly changed a bit. A bigger drive doesn't translate to faster speeds, either. Though with the prices of solid state drives decreasing I don't see a problem with 512 gb if you can afford it - years ago that could have made the price skyrocket, not so much anymore. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs Sent: August 25, 2019 12:02 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs Tylor, sorry your post reminded me of a woman who years ago said she didn't need a car to get around. Why? Because she was getting other people to ferry her around. She was not even taking the bus, others would drive her around in their own vehicles. My cousin told her mother she could get by on $20 worth of gas per month. She left out the fact that she was getting others to drive her around too. Anyone could make $20 in gas last for a month if it just sat in their drive. My point? If your parents don't use their computer that much they don't need a big hard drive. Btw, I too use an external hard drive and had a SSD installed in this computer, mainly because the drive was so old. It was so old that when I took it to a tech to see if it could be used as an external hard drive, I was told they could not recover anything on it. Which meant it was destined for the garbage, no use could ever be got out of it. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood Sent: August 25, 2019 9:22 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs You've certainly got a point there, but your use case may be far different than others. Some people don't use half of 128 gb, for example. My parents have a Toshiba laptop from 2012 with a 256 gb drive. They haven't used half of it since they've had it - and that also includes their pictures and videos, though those are backed up to an external hard drive, which is my recommendation for most things people would like to keep long term. That being said if you can afford to get 512 gb, it isn't a bad thing at all since this is an investment of your money and if this is going to be your primary machine, it might be worth your while. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G Sent: August 25, 2019 11:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs 256GB is not all that much when you factor in OS/ software, files, media and back ups over a 6 year period. from devices. Feliciano For tech tips and updates: LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs On Aug 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:sleep happens in less than 1.5 seconds these days. Far more pluses than drawbacks, in my view.like yet.
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I'm still struggling to understand your point. They do use it on a daily basis for youtube, Microsoft word/excel, and some music listening. Yet they don't store anything of value on the internal hard drive - their music is streamed via spotify (which, by the way, is accessible with jaws). My point being that use cases are different. I was in no way implying that he shouldn't get a larger drive, but what you or I may do may be far different than what someone else does, and therefore their storage needs might be different. Remember that daily web browsing and light office work doesn't add up to much space used in the grand scheme of things and even in the last 10 years that has hardly changed a bit. A bigger drive doesn't translate to faster speeds, either. Though with the prices of solid state drives decreasing I don't see a problem with 512 gb if you can afford it - years ago that could have made the price skyrocket, not so much anymore.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs Sent: August 25, 2019 12:02 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs Tylor, sorry your post reminded me of a woman who years ago said she didn't need a car to get around. Why? Because she was getting other people to ferry her around. She was not even taking the bus, others would drive her around in their own vehicles. My cousin told her mother she could get by on $20 worth of gas per month. She left out the fact that she was getting others to drive her around too. Anyone could make $20 in gas last for a month if it just sat in their drive. My point? If your parents don't use their computer that much they don't need a big hard drive. Btw, I too use an external hard drive and had a SSD installed in this computer, mainly because the drive was so old. It was so old that when I took it to a tech to see if it could be used as an external hard drive, I was told they could not recover anything on it. Which meant it was destined for the garbage, no use could ever be got out of it. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood Sent: August 25, 2019 9:22 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs You've certainly got a point there, but your use case may be far different than others. Some people don't use half of 128 gb, for example. My parents have a Toshiba laptop from 2012 with a 256 gb drive. They haven't used half of it since they've had it - and that also includes their pictures and videos, though those are backed up to an external hard drive, which is my recommendation for most things people would like to keep long term. That being said if you can afford to get 512 gb, it isn't a bad thing at all since this is an investment of your money and if this is going to be your primary machine, it might be worth your while. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G Sent: August 25, 2019 11:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs 256GB is not all that much when you factor in OS/ software, files, media and back ups over a 6 year period. from devices. Feliciano For tech tips and updates: LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs On Aug 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:sleep happens in less than 1.5 seconds these days. Far more pluses than drawbacks, in my view.like yet.
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Tylor, sorry your post reminded me of a woman who years ago said she didn't
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need a car to get around. Why? Because she was getting other people to ferry her around. She was not even taking the bus, others would drive her around in their own vehicles. My cousin told her mother she could get by on $20 worth of gas per month. She left out the fact that she was getting others to drive her around too. Anyone could make $20 in gas last for a month if it just sat in their drive. My point? If your parents don't use their computer that much they don't need a big hard drive. Btw, I too use an external hard drive and had a SSD installed in this computer, mainly because the drive was so old. It was so old that when I took it to a tech to see if it could be used as an external hard drive, I was told they could not recover anything on it. Which meant it was destined for the garbage, no use could ever be got out of it.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood Sent: August 25, 2019 9:22 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs You've certainly got a point there, but your use case may be far different than others. Some people don't use half of 128 gb, for example. My parents have a Toshiba laptop from 2012 with a 256 gb drive. They haven't used half of it since they've had it - and that also includes their pictures and videos, though those are backed up to an external hard drive, which is my recommendation for most things people would like to keep long term. That being said if you can afford to get 512 gb, it isn't a bad thing at all since this is an investment of your money and if this is going to be your primary machine, it might be worth your while. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G Sent: August 25, 2019 11:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs 256GB is not all that much when you factor in OS/ software, files, media and back ups over a 6 year period. from devices. Feliciano For tech tips and updates: LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs On Aug 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:sleep happens in less than 1.5 seconds these days. Far more pluses than drawbacks, in my view.like yet.
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Re: JAWS and phone in the same input
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I know this is a low-tech solution, but it is easy and cheap. Use a pair of earbuds for JAWS, and put the phone headset on over that. Works like a charm. If you find JAWS is too prominent, just take out one of the earbuds. Tim Ford
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 9:47 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input Is there a way to trick it so that JAWS and the phone come out of the same ear? It's stereo, right? If I plug in a monaural adaptor would that make both ears the same? Does the headset have a mike that talks to the phone??? At 08:53 AM 8/25/2019, you wrote: Plantronics does offer a duel channel headphone where you can listen tojaws on one side and the individual on the phone, on the other. I do have this
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Here is the problem: we don't know what the final situation will be. He is looking for a job in customer service. He needs to be able to demonstrate that he can do the job with ... something. No vision and one ear is hard to sell, unless of course he can point to a configured device and show how it will work, perhaps with any system.
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