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Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

rixmix2009@...
 

I say, some of you probably take up as much extra email and head space talking about the violation doers it as the folks posting off topic do.
So what I do is delete them. And I have done a lot of bulk deletes the past week or so.
But I would think it is unlikely there would be too much difference with a new moderator. Or a new list. Nothing ever suits everyone.
And when anyone becomes a policeman, pretty soon they get good and tired of that, too.

For me it seems, there is a natural tendency to post and see if someone has some quick know how on something.
It may be a problem, or whatever. They try to go where they hope someone knows something to give a quick fix.
Of course we all could be better, find out resolution or whatever issues in some manual or something.
But when you join a list, you just expect this sort of thing.

That is my two cents anyhow.

I wish you all well.
We got bigger problems. Much bigger problems.
Where can I talk about those? Oh yeah, that other list! Or whatever.
Smile.
Thanks.
Rik


Re: Hinter/Henter/Joyce

deadcatbounce <JAWS@...>
 

It was henter Joyce, back in the way when I actually liked their customer service...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar and His Beamer" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:34 AM
Subject: Hinter/Henter/Joyce


Wasn't it Henter with an 'E"? Or was I hearing it wrong all those years?

Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 08:42
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


I can't speak to the accuracy of the rest of your message, but the creator
of JAWS is Ted Hinter, not Tom Hinter.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
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Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:29 PM
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


I know the fellow responsible for JAWS making the move from DOS to windows.
IN Those days you could call JAWS and speak to Tom Hinter. This fellow
did
this, he called Microsoft many times until he found a fellow wanting to
hook
up with someone to make Windows Accessible. He got the two men together
b;y
phone, and the process started that make JAWS for Windows. This fellow
called Tom Hinter and asked for a free version of JAWS for Windows, and
Tom
told him to buy a copy. That is how Tom Hinter thanked this fellow.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Although it may be a little further down the course selection than 101, it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can discriminate
in
price will make more money than one which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise couldn't pay
the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more money on those who can
pay and makes incremental revenue on those who otherwise wouldn't buy. I
could demonstrate this geometrically, but that's a little beyond the
purpose
of this list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be smart
to
discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions that
tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no possibility for
arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price jurisdiction to
sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on this
very
list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly,
that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world countries
than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect
of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the above
actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn from
its
paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while you are in the process.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't
afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well because
they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't
have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community. I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for the
blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i certainly do
get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price charged for a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what it
costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for development,
etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in Windows or
Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple
economics.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway"<rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our
young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying for
them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be much
more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you support
(and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really foolish
to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program
easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free
upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product and
brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the
product
is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who
develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts. At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough people
are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting
them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I don't
get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

Charles Coe
 

Perhaps a new moderator is needed. Any takers?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

James,

Are you perhaps AWOL on the jfw list? Seems as though you and Jessica are no
longer minding the store.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 09:52
Subject: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


Folks,

In an attempt to cut down on some of the excess trafick that crosses this
list, I've set up a generalized technical support mailing list for use with
issues not particular to JFW or its interactions with other programs. To
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Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

Adrian Spratt
 

Gerald, to be fair, you contributed with your price fixing speculation.
Funny how everyone complains, and I mean everyone, but only after getting in
their shot. Still, this is out of control, no question.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


What's the point of creating another list? They can't even moderate this
one. Since this is apparently no longer a JAWS list anyway, maybe they
should just make this list a general forum for any blind-related issues.
And for those who prefer a JAWS only list, I suggest migrating to the JAWS
Users list, where off-topic shananigans are not tolerated.

Gerald


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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


Not to rain on anyone's parade, but instead of creating an entirely new
list, why not join the already established BlindTech mailing list and save
the hassel of running and monitering a new list?


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

James,

Are you perhaps AWOL on the jfw list? Seems as though you and Jessica are
no

longer minding the store.


Dave Carlson
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Folks,

In an attempt to cut down on some of the excess trafick that crosses this
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Rhapsody Blind 3.0 released spanish and French

John Martyn
 

Yes, it is finally here and translated into French and Spanish. You can
thank Rémy Ruiz for this wonderful work.
Rhapsody Blind has gotten better with faster speeds and more reliability.
Here's a short list of improvements:
Rhapsody Blind 3.0 Complete Overhaul
Completely reworked Rhapsody Blind to be faster and more efficient in
accessing all your music
Translated Rhapsody Blind into Spanish and French
Fixed many focus issues and improved the music library sorting
Improved speed of scrolling through lists and dragging songs around
Created an audio splash message courtesy of Erica Watson

You can download it here:
www.RhapsodyBlind.com/RhapsodyBlind3.0Setup.exe
Thanks all,
John Martyn


Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

mobility skills? Call CNIB. Or if you're in Toronto, try Balance.

At 01:02 PM 2/6/2012, you wrote:
sandy u mentioned that you worked trying to get two parties to work together as a counselor. could you give myself a totally blind person direction on were to get advise on improving mobility skills. Karen

----- Original Message ----- From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7



HiKaren,

What may I do for you?

Sandy

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:02 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

sandy, could u email me off list. i would like to get information from you as a professional. karen

----- Original Message ----- From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 6:21 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7




--------------------------------------------------You'reright Dave... and that's my final comment on this topic. Hope everyone enjoys today. Go Pats!!!

From: "Farfar and His Beamer" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Sandy,

Yes, I agree that there are far too many pampered, whiny, immature blind
people who make it look bad for those who work for a living.

But we all deal with our handicap in different ways, don't we.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message ----- From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:04
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7



The Seeing gets its financial from private donations. If you want the same
from FS, go out and find private individuals to donate to them. I am sick of
all this whining. This is what makes nonblind persons feel sorry for us. And
also, this kind of attitude is what makes it more difficult for some blind
persons get employment. Get off your butt, stop whining, and do something
constructive for yourself.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

So if a company can get sponsership or whatever to ask $150 for a
guide dog why can't another company get sponserships or government
support to make jaws a lot cheeper and afordable for a lot more people
around the world? I live in South Africa which is assentially a 3rd
world country compared to America and England. I can aford a computer,
software, a braille machine and jaws but so many others in this
country can't. As I'm sitting here I know for a fact that more than
half of people who whent to school with me, won't be able to aford
their own computer not even mentioning jaws, my question is, what
happens to those people, what oppertunities do they have in the main
streem world and all this just because companies rip off blind people
because they know, the blind people need their products to funktion.

On 2/4/12, Karen Hughes <khughes8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog. plus you
get
the training and housing while this takes place. i am in canada and this
is
were i got my information. i have had some mobility training but not
received a dog yet. i am in the line waiting just now, smile. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have
been

from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for all
replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since
their
inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school. When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you
what
to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some of
the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation from
anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you
fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it cost
them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club pay
for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the
final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final
training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put
on

the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part
of

your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding
that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked

or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

Marilyn Rushton <mr.lists@...>
 

Gerald,

If this is the worst that happens, it's a pretty darn good day!!!

Marilyn.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:05 AM
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Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


What's the point of creating another list? They can't even moderate this
one. Since this is apparently no longer a JAWS list anyway, maybe they
should just make this list a general forum for any blind-related issues.
And for those who prefer a JAWS only list, I suggest migrating to the JAWS
Users list, where off-topic shananigans are not tolerated.

Gerald


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Not to rain on anyone's parade, but instead of creating an entirely new
list, why not join the already established BlindTech mailing list and save
the hassel of running and monitering a new list?


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James,

Are you perhaps AWOL on the jfw list? Seems as though you and Jessica are
no

longer minding the store.


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Folks,

In an attempt to cut down on some of the excess trafick that crosses this
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Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

Gerald Levy
 

What's the point of creating another list? They can't even moderate this one. Since this is apparently no longer a JAWS list anyway, maybe they should just make this list a general forum for any blind-related issues. And for those who prefer a JAWS only list, I suggest migrating to the JAWS Users list, where off-topic shananigans are not tolerated.

Gerald

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Subject: RE: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


Not to rain on anyone's parade, but instead of creating an entirely new
list, why not join the already established BlindTech mailing list and save
the hassel of running and monitering a new list?


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On Behalf Of Farfar and His Beamer
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James,

Are you perhaps AWOL on the jfw list? Seems as though you and Jessica are no

longer minding the store.


Dave Carlson
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E6520 and Windows 7


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Folks,

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Karen Hughes <khughes8@...>
 

sandy u mentioned that you worked trying to get two parties to work together as a counselor. could you give myself a totally blind person direction on were to get advise on improving mobility skills. Karen

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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7



HiKaren,

What may I do for you?

Sandy

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From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:02 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

sandy, could u email me off list. i would like to get information from you as a professional. karen

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Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7




--------------------------------------------------You'reright Dave... and that's my final comment on this topic. Hope everyone enjoys today. Go Pats!!!

From: "Farfar and His Beamer" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Sandy,

Yes, I agree that there are far too many pampered, whiny, immature blind
people who make it look bad for those who work for a living.

But we all deal with our handicap in different ways, don't we.

Dave Carlson
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:04
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7



The Seeing gets its financial from private donations. If you want the same
from FS, go out and find private individuals to donate to them. I am sick of
all this whining. This is what makes nonblind persons feel sorry for us. And
also, this kind of attitude is what makes it more difficult for some blind
persons get employment. Get off your butt, stop whining, and do something
constructive for yourself.

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From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

So if a company can get sponsership or whatever to ask $150 for a
guide dog why can't another company get sponserships or government
support to make jaws a lot cheeper and afordable for a lot more people
around the world? I live in South Africa which is assentially a 3rd
world country compared to America and England. I can aford a computer,
software, a braille machine and jaws but so many others in this
country can't. As I'm sitting here I know for a fact that more than
half of people who whent to school with me, won't be able to aford
their own computer not even mentioning jaws, my question is, what
happens to those people, what oppertunities do they have in the main
streem world and all this just because companies rip off blind people
because they know, the blind people need their products to funktion.

On 2/4/12, Karen Hughes <khughes8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog. plus you
get
the training and housing while this takes place. i am in canada and this
is
were i got my information. i have had some mobility training but not
received a dog yet. i am in the line waiting just now, smile. karen

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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
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Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have
been

from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for all
replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since
their
inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school. When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you
what
to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some of
the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation from
anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you
fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

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From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it cost
them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club pay
for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the
final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final
training stage.

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From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put
on

the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part
of

your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding
that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
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Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
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Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked

or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: Hinter/Henter/Joyce

Cowle, Jodi <JCowle@...>
 

Ted Henter

Jodi

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:34 AM
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Subject: Hinter/Henter/Joyce

Wasn't it Henter with an 'E"? Or was I hearing it wrong all those years?

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 08:42
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


I can't speak to the accuracy of the rest of your message, but the creator
of JAWS is Ted Hinter, not Tom Hinter.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:29 PM
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


I know the fellow responsible for JAWS making the move from DOS to windows.
IN Those days you could call JAWS and speak to Tom Hinter. This fellow
did
this, he called Microsoft many times until he found a fellow wanting to
hook
up with someone to make Windows Accessible. He got the two men together
b;y
phone, and the process started that make JAWS for Windows. This fellow
called Tom Hinter and asked for a free version of JAWS for Windows, and
Tom
told him to buy a copy. That is how Tom Hinter thanked this fellow.
John

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:05 PM
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Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Although it may be a little further down the course selection than 101, it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can discriminate
in
price will make more money than one which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise couldn't pay
the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more money on those who can
pay and makes incremental revenue on those who otherwise wouldn't buy. I
could demonstrate this geometrically, but that's a little beyond the
purpose
of this list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be smart
to
discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions that
tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no possibility for
arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price jurisdiction to
sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on this
very
list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly,
that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world countries
than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect
of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the above
actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn from
its
paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while you are in the process.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't
afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well because
they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't
have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community. I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for the
blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i certainly do
get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price charged for a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what it
costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for development,
etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in Windows or
Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple
economics.

Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway"<rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our
young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying for
them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be much
more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you support
(and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really foolish
to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program
easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free
upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product and
brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the
product
is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who
develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts. At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough people
are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting
them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I don't
get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Chat Room

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

lol, Dave there you go again. You crack me up fella!

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:48 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Chat Room

George,

I guess it is, since you're still chatting with me on this topic. Tag,
you're it.


Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "George B" <gbmagoo@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 07:37
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


well it is in the status bar so it is automatically red to me when i go to
choose a folder and it tells me how many are there and not red before i
click to open the folder so it does not take much so is this now a chat
list?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 07:13
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Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

George,

I'm amused that you counted them. I guess they got your attention?

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----- Original Message -----
From: "George B" <gbmagoo@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 07:06
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


o my what a chat room this has turned into 126 messages in the last
18
hours hummmmm

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kerri
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 13:40
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Not necessarily, at least not here in Canada.

Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they
don't
want to impress people they don't like
"Will Rogers"
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com]
On Behalf Of michael grove
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 7:24 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

And besides I don't know anyone that cant get it if they need it.
There are
so many agencies that will get it for someone that needs it. It
doesn't
even have to be for employement. Do a little research for crying out
loud.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:58 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts
instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of you
who
try
similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who try to do
things
the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

Cristóbal
 

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but instead of creating an entirely new
list, why not join the already established BlindTech mailing list and save
the hassel of running and monitering a new list?

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

James,

Are you perhaps AWOL on the jfw list? Seems as though you and Jessica are no

longer minding the store.


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Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Bissett, Tom <tom.bissett@...>
 

I believe they are owned by a korean capital investment firm. At least that was the case just a couple of years ago.

Regards
Tom Bisset

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: February 4, 2012 1:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

I don't believe that FS is publically traded.
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


Are FS's accounts available publicly? What profit margins does it make on
jaws?

On 2/4/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with your description of the advantages of price discrimination.

However, your "piracy is greater in 3rd world countries" argument is
1 Overbroad, it is true in some countries but by no means all,
2 May not apply to blind people ... How many significant pirates are
blind? Will pirates really concentrate on a product like this instead
of a mass market programme DVD whatever?

Even if it were correct, it would only cut revenues if there was a way
of getting the pirated copies from the 3rd world, into markets where
the company makes money currently, to undercut the price.

Your post also ignores the human rights dimention. For the blind,
computing is a human right these days.

Do you really think that copyright law is going to continue in its
current form? When you look at torrents etc., I say the writing is on
the wall.

Will there be copyright in the future? Yes but it will be
significantly different and more permissive.

Finally, does your moral outrage extend only to me or would you
support a petition re the 3rd world, aimed at FS?

If not, then I think you're focusing on the symptem and not on the
disease.



On 2/4/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@kutakrock.com> wrote:
Although it may be a little further down the course selection than 101,
it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can discriminate
in
price will make more money than one which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise couldn't
pay
the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more money on those who
can
pay and makes incremental revenue on those who otherwise wouldn't buy. I
could demonstrate this geometrically, but that's a little beyond the
purpose
of this list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be
smart
to
discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions that
tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no possibility for
arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price jurisdiction to
sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on this
very
list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly,
that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world
countries
than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten
illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect
of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the above
actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn from
its
paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while you are in the process.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't
afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well because
they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't
have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community. I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for the
blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say the
3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people
poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i certainly do
get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price charged for
a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to
duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what it
costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for development,
etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in Windows or
Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of users so
a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple
economics.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our
young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the
same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying for
them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be much
more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you support
(and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really
foolish
to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program
easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free
upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product and
brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the
product
is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who
develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts. At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough
people
are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting
them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I don't
get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re:
Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

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can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

Dave...
 

James,

Are you perhaps AWOL on the jfw list? Seems as though you and Jessica are no
longer minding the store.


Dave Carlson
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E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 09:52
Subject: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


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Dave...
 

Wasn't it Henter with an 'E"? Or was I hearing it wrong all those years?

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 08:42
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


I can't speak to the accuracy of the rest of your message, but the creator
of JAWS is Ted Hinter, not Tom Hinter.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:29 PM
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


I know the fellow responsible for JAWS making the move from DOS to windows.
IN Those days you could call JAWS and speak to Tom Hinter. This fellow
did
this, he called Microsoft many times until he found a fellow wanting to
hook
up with someone to make Windows Accessible. He got the two men together
b;y
phone, and the process started that make JAWS for Windows. This fellow
called Tom Hinter and asked for a free version of JAWS for Windows, and
Tom
told him to buy a copy. That is how Tom Hinter thanked this fellow.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Although it may be a little further down the course selection than 101, it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can discriminate
in
price will make more money than one which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise couldn't pay
the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more money on those who can
pay and makes incremental revenue on those who otherwise wouldn't buy. I
could demonstrate this geometrically, but that's a little beyond the
purpose
of this list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be smart
to
discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions that
tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no possibility for
arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price jurisdiction to
sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on this
very
list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly,
that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world countries
than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect
of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the above
actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn from
its
paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while you are in the process.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't
afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well because
they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't
have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community. I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for the
blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i certainly do
get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price charged for a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what it
costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for development,
etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in Windows or
Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple
economics.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


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From: "Richard Holloway"<rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our
young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying for
them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be much
more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you support
(and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really foolish
to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program
easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free
upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product and
brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the
product
is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who
develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts. At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough people
are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting
them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I don't
get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Or Thunder--a program mentioned here before,and a real hum-dinger, as
freebies go. But it still cant match JAWS 13.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:59 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Well now, wouldn't that have been unnecessarily simple... (LOL) Point
taken.
On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote:

Agree with you, we might as well go steel our food and furniture. But
my point still stands to the person who started this subject, just use
NVDA.
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Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Gary King
 

I can't speak to the accuracy of the rest of your message, but the creator of JAWS is Ted Hinter, not Tom Hinter.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:29 PM
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


I know the fellow responsible for JAWS making the move from DOS to windows.
IN Those days you could call JAWS and speak to Tom Hinter. This fellow did
this, he called Microsoft many times until he found a fellow wanting to hook
up with someone to make Windows Accessible. He got the two men together b;y
phone, and the process started that make JAWS for Windows. This fellow
called Tom Hinter and asked for a free version of JAWS for Windows, and Tom
told him to buy a copy. That is how Tom Hinter thanked this fellow.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Although it may be a little further down the course selection than 101, it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can discriminate in
price will make more money than one which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise couldn't pay
the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more money on those who can
pay and makes incremental revenue on those who otherwise wouldn't buy. I
could demonstrate this geometrically, but that's a little beyond the purpose
of this list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be smart to
discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions that
tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no possibility for
arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price jurisdiction to
sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on this very
list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or wrongly,
that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world countries
than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the above
actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn from its
paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while you are in the process.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't
afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well because
they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't
have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community. I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for the
blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i certainly do
get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price charged for a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what it
costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for development,
etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in Windows or
Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple economics.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway"<rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying for
them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be much
more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you support
(and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really foolish
to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program
easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free
upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product and brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the product
is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who
develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts. At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough people
are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I don't get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

Well, let's stop talking about a crack for jaws and get one up here!

----- Original Message -----
From: "George B" <gbmagoo@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:06 AM
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


o my what a chat room this has turned into 126 messages in the last 18
hours hummmmm

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kerri
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 13:40
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
Not necessarily, at least not here in Canada.

Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they
don't
want to impress people they don't like
"Will Rogers"
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com]
On Behalf Of michael grove
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 7:24 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
And besides I don't know anyone that cant get it if they need it.
There are
so many agencies that will get it for someone that needs it. It
doesn't
even have to be for employement. Do a little research for crying out
loud.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:58 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?
-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short
cuts
instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of you who
try
similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who try to do
things
the honest way!
On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: question about web visum

Adrian Spratt
 

Webvisum used to produce an error message, and the problem was fixed. I
wonder if you installed a version you kept on your system. You might want to
double-check that what you have installed in the latest one.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:38 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: question about web visum

YES, I HAD TO REINSTALL. THE ONLY PROBLEM I'M HAVING IS WITH THE ERROR
MESSAGE OF AN INVALID PARAMETER. OTHERWISE, IT IS WORKING OK.

On 2/6/2012 10:31 AM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
Must be you, I have FF 10 and webvisum works without any more touble
than it ever has (in that if I visit too many pages it stops working
until I close them all and restart FF). I did not even experience the
reinstall requirement that someone else mentioned having.

Having you tried that, going to webvisum.com and reinstalling the plugin?

On 2/6/12, cecropia64<cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
hi folks. this may be alittole off topic but i have a question for
you web visum users. i'm using firefox 10 and web visum 9.1.
whenever i go online, i get an error message that one of the
parameters in web visum is missing. is this jaws related or web
visum? also, does anybody have any clues as to how i can fix this?
thanks

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Re: question about web visum

Soronel Haetir
 

I don't recall having ever seen that one.

I would try going into the webvisum control panel and checking to make
sure every thing looks sane, perhaps even change a value or two (so
you know changes have to be applied rather than just keeping whatever
is causing the problems).

On 2/6/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
YES, I HAD TO REINSTALL. THE ONLY PROBLEM I'M HAVING IS WITH THE ERROR
MESSAGE OF AN INVALID PARAMETER. OTHERWISE, IT IS WORKING OK.

On 2/6/2012 10:31 AM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
Must be you, I have FF 10 and webvisum works without any more touble
than it ever has (in that if I visit too many pages it stops working
until I close them all and restart FF). I did not even experience the
reinstall requirement that someone else mentioned having.

Having you tried that, going to webvisum.com and reinstalling the plugin?

On 2/6/12, cecropia64<cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
hi folks. this may be alittole off topic but i have a question for you
web visum users. i'm using firefox 10 and web visum 9.1. whenever i go
online, i get an error message that one of the parameters in web visum
is missing. is this jaws related or web visum? also, does anybody have
any clues as to how i can fix this? thanks

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