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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Karen Hughes <khughes8@...>
 

sandy, worst than the product being expensive. lots of us are a long time even finding out that the product is there for us, thenwe have to cope with can we afford it or not. it is baby steps, then learning how to use it is fun. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Just for your information, I'm part of a non profit organisation
raising awareness and trying to raise money for less fortunate people
to get assistive devices like jaws because as I said I know there's a
lot of less fortunate people who won't even be able to aford a
computer let alone jaws.

On 2/4/12, sandy stegmayer <ssteg@verizon.net> wrote:

The Seeing gets its financial from private donations. If you want the same
from FS, go out and find private individuals to donate to them. I am sick of
all this whining. This is what makes nonblind persons feel sorry for us. And
also, this kind of attitude is what makes it more difficult for some blind
persons get employment. Get off your butt, stop whining, and do something
constructive for yourself.

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From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:56 PM
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Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

So if a company can get sponsership or whatever to ask $150 for a
guide dog why can't another company get sponserships or government
support to make jaws a lot cheeper and afordable for a lot more people
around the world? I live in South Africa which is assentially a 3rd
world country compared to America and England. I can aford a computer,
software, a braille machine and jaws but so many others in this
country can't. As I'm sitting here I know for a fact that more than
half of people who whent to school with me, won't be able to aford
their own computer not even mentioning jaws, my question is, what
happens to those people, what oppertunities do they have in the main
streem world and all this just because companies rip off blind people
because they know, the blind people need their products to funktion.

On 2/4/12, Karen Hughes <khughes8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog. plus you
get
the training and housing while this takes place. i am in canada and this
is
were i got my information. i have had some mobility training but not
received a dog yet. i am in the line waiting just now, smile. karen

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have
been

from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for all
replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since
their
inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school. When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you
what
to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some of
the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation from
anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you
fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

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From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
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Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it cost
them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club pay
for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the
final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final
training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
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Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put
on

the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part
of

your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding
that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
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Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
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Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked

or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Kerri <kootenaycreek@...>
 

Prior to computers, I typed on a manual typewriter and before that, I put my
work into Braille and an instructor transcribed it into print.

Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don't
want to impress people they don't like
"Will Rogers"

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:16 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

What did you end up doing before Computers?

And is FS actually a private company - a close corporation - or is it
quoted on the stock market?

If the latter, then its accounts ought to be available publicly.

Even if it's actually private (closely held) most jurisdictions
require that it files accounts.



On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@gmail.com> wrote:
And worst of all is that there's actually blind people working for FS
and they know exactly what we need and that we have no other options
but to pay for the product.

On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
i think the whole thing is that when someone has a label put on them
such as "blind" or"disabled", all bets are off and the companies who
make products for that very specialized market have a field day with
it. they know we need many of their products and i don't think they
really care too much as long as they sell what they make. but if
someone in their realm of reality gets hit with the same label, they
react very differently. then everything is too expensive and they think
it's unfair. funny when the shoe is on the other foot, isn't it?

On 2/4/2012 1:41 PM, deadcatbounce wrote:
I don't believe that FS is publically traded.
----- Original Message ----- From: "wogg le4" <woggle4@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


Are FS's accounts available publicly? What profit margins does it
make on jaws?

On 2/4/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with your description of the advantages of price
discrimination.

However, your "piracy is greater in 3rd world countries" argument is
1 Overbroad, it is true in some countries but by no means all,
2 May not apply to blind people ... How many significant pirates are
blind? Will pirates really concentrate on a product like this instead
of a mass market programme DVD whatever?

Even if it were correct, it would only cut revenues if there was a way
of getting the pirated copies from the 3rd world, into markets where
the company makes money currently, to undercut the price.

Your post also ignores the human rights dimention. For the blind,
computing is a human right these days.

Do you really think that copyright law is going to continue in its
current form? When you look at torrents etc., I say the writing is on
the wall.

Will there be copyright in the future? Yes but it will be
significantly different and more permissive.

Finally, does your moral outrage extend only to me or would you
support a petition re the 3rd world, aimed at FS?

If not, then I think you're focusing on the symptem and not on the
disease.



On 2/4/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@kutakrock.com> wrote:
Although it may be a little further down the course selection than
101,
it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can
discriminate
in
price will make more money than one which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise
couldn't
pay
the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more money on those
who can
pay and makes incremental revenue on those who otherwise wouldn't
buy. I
could demonstrate this geometrically, but that's a little beyond the
purpose
of this list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be
smart
to
discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions
that
tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no
possibility for
arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price
jurisdiction to
sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on
this
very
list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly,
that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world
countries
than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten
illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The
effect
of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the
above
actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn
from
its
paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while you are in the
process.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't
afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well
because
they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't
have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community.
I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for the
blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say
the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people
poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i
certainly do
get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price
charged for
a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to
duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what
it
costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for
development,
etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in
Windows or
Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of
users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple
economics.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway"<rholloway@gopbc.org>
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had
no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our
young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the
same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying
for
them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be
much
more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you
support
(and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really
foolish
to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program
easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free
upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer
is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product
and
brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the
product
is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who
develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts.
At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough
people
are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting
them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I
don't
get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday,
February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re:
Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is
so
out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all
of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us
who
try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Charles Coe
 

Hi,

Guide Dogs for the Blind in California and Oregon has a very good program
and very good food and living accommodations. Also I think they will even
pay to fly you out to the school.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of sandy stegmayer
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:12 AM
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Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7



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From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:02 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@listsI am now Karen but when I
got my first dog I still had a little vision. What school did you apply to.
If you don't get in, try Seeing Eye in Morristown NJ. Many Canadians attend
there and it is like a vacation... private rooms with a private bathroom,
great food, wondrful staff and trainer and of course, great dogs. You will
find having a dog not only allows you to move more quickly but it is a great
way to meet people. I found people often shy away from a person with a cane
but easily start conversations with someone with a dog.

Good luck,
Sandy
.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i have been working on mobility skills for a long time and find being
totally blind, this is a real challenge. some times i get pretty
frustrated. this winter has been wonderful because last winter we had
so much snow. how does one deal with this. i had my interview three
weeks ago and not heard the verdict yet. will try to call them next
week if they dont contact me. are you totally blind. karen

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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:51 PM
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I hope you do not catch cold standing in line out there in the
cold.(smile)

I had waited about six months for my first guide. Not so long for my
second and third.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:46 AM
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my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog. plus
you get the training and housing while this takes place. i am in
canada and this is were i got my information. i have had some
mobility training but not received a dog yet. i am in the line
waiting just now, smile. karen

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Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs
have been
from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for
all replacements. This is the same price structure they have used
since their inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with
this school. When you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing
Eye., can tell you what to do with your doog which if I am correct,
is not the case with some of the other schools. You and you alone
own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation
from anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats
you fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it
cost them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions
club pay for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to
the final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the
final training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other
assistive devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't
aford jaws then use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's
rite up there with jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible
software which I can access better with NVDA than with jaws.
Something else somebody mentioned, does it really cost $3800 to
get a guide dog in the US? If I understand rite, that's crazy. In
South africa we pay about the equivalent of $15 or $20 but then
again for stuff like jaws we pay about equivalent of $1500. We
don't easally get government bersaries for assistive devices but
can claim assistive devices back from the government through
income tax but you must still have the cash to fork out and then wait
a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I
put on
the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my
last e-mail leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a
part of
your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding
that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits, tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things
equal. I'm surprised anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this
kind of thinking go unchallenged.

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On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price
of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked
or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To:
The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws
64 Bit Win 7 yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of
this stuff is so out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal
to all of you who try similar things it's really apppreciated
by those of us who try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

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Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

wogg le4 <woggle4@...>
 

Hi Sandy,

Fair dues. I would say that was extremely tough. Actually, I agree
with much of what you say.
I don't do this lightly but when push come's to shove, I will do
whatever it takes to make myself an independent and productive person.

If that mean's breaking the law because there isn't any other way,
well when the "victim" is a large faceless corporation that I think is
overcharging anyway, then yes, I'll do that too.

Is it really "poor me" to point out that we're being overcharged?

On 2/4/12, sandy stegmayer <ssteg@verizon.net> wrote:
Before computers I used readers, braille and recorded books. I completged
much of my graduate school education before computers. Ath the time I worked
as a teacher of kids with learning disabilities. It wasn't easy and it took
more time for me to complete tasks than my sighted peers but I did it. As I
told my students, life isn't, not will it ever be, fair and if you want to
succeed you need to put out the extra effort to be/do what you want.
Unfortunately manu blind ( and sighted too) people allow well meaning people
to "enable" them. From all the blind persons I have known, the happiest and
most productive are those who have been responsible for themselves and have
worked hard with the opportunities they have had... and haven't had.
Please, I don't mean to offend anyone but the tome of many of the posts have
taken a "poor me" tone. In the long run, that is not helpful. And as for
pirating, it is nothing more than theft and in my opinion, that is breaking
the law and there sould be some sort of negative consequences.

Sandy


--------------------------------------------------
From: "wogg le4" <woggle4@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

What did you end up doing before Computers?

And is FS actually a private company - a close corporation - or is it
quoted on the stock market?

If the latter, then its accounts ought to be available publicly.

Even if it's actually private (closely held) most jurisdictions
require that it files accounts.



On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@gmail.com> wrote:
And worst of all is that there's actually blind people working for FS
and they know exactly what we need and that we have no other options
but to pay for the product.

On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
i think the whole thing is that when someone has a label put on them
such as "blind" or"disabled", all bets are off and the companies who
make products for that very specialized market have a field day with
it. they know we need many of their products and i don't think they
really care too much as long as they sell what they make. but if
someone in their realm of reality gets hit with the same label, they
react very differently. then everything is too expensive and they think
it's unfair. funny when the shoe is on the other foot, isn't it?

On 2/4/2012 1:41 PM, deadcatbounce wrote:
I don't believe that FS is publically traded.
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


Are FS's accounts available publicly? What profit margins does it
make on jaws?

On 2/4/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with your description of the advantages of price
discrimination.

However, your "piracy is greater in 3rd world countries" argument is
1 Overbroad, it is true in some countries but by no means all,
2 May not apply to blind people ... How many significant pirates are
blind? Will pirates really concentrate on a product like this instead
of a mass market programme DVD whatever?

Even if it were correct, it would only cut revenues if there was a
way
of getting the pirated copies from the 3rd world, into markets where
the company makes money currently, to undercut the price.

Your post also ignores the human rights dimention. For the blind,
computing is a human right these days.

Do you really think that copyright law is going to continue in its
current form? When you look at torrents etc., I say the writing is on
the wall.

Will there be copyright in the future? Yes but it will be
significantly different and more permissive.

Finally, does your moral outrage extend only to me or would you
support a petition re the 3rd world, aimed at FS?

If not, then I think you're focusing on the symptem and not on the
disease.



On 2/4/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@kutakrock.com> wrote:
Although it may be a little further down the course selection than
101,
it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can
discriminate
in
price will make more money than one which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise
couldn't
pay
the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more money on those
who can
pay and makes incremental revenue on those who otherwise wouldn't
buy. I
could demonstrate this geometrically, but that's a little beyond the
purpose
of this list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be
smart
to
discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions
that
tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no
possibility for
arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price
jurisdiction to
sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on
this
very
list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly,
that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world
countries
than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten
illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The
effect
of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the
above
actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn
from
its
paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while you are in the
process.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal
food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who
can't
afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well
because
they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't
have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community.

I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for the
blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say
the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people
poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i
certainly do
get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price
charged for
a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to
duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what
it
costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for
development,
etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in
Windows or
Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of
users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple
economics.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had
no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for
our
young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have
the
same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying
for
them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be
much
more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you
support
(and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really
foolish
to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the
program
easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with
free
upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer
is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product
and
brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the
product
is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who
develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts.
At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough
people
are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and
supporting
them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I
don't
get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday,
February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re:
Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is
so
out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all
of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us
who
try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

sandy stegmayer <ssteg@...>
 

------------------------------------------------Europe does not have the same kind of system as we do when it comes to certain areas of their economy and medical services is one of those areas... at lest for the short while
From: "wogg le4" <woggle4@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:27 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

The prices of medical devices are regulated right across Europe.
That doesn't mean that capitalism is abolished. Still lot's of money
to be made if you come up with cool new drugs that save lives. Still a
return on investment.

However, the Government make's sure that there isn't this kind of
price gouging. If blind people were a significant constituency, in
electoral terms, something similar would have been attempted.

Previous argument remind's me of the line in Totel Recall where the
Governer of Mars says that if "if you don't want to buy our air, you
don't have to breathe"



On 2/4/12, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote:
Freedom scientific is a company that emerged from the combination of three
existing access technology companies at the beginning of the last decade.
Richard Chandler reportedly came up with the idea as pricing power became
more problematical for his previous company, Sunrise Medical. A starting
point for anyone interested is a 2001 Accessworld article at
http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw020102in

Even in a capitalist system, industries are treated differently from others
if they are deemed essential to a functioning community. Electric, gas and
water utilities are subject to varying degrees of regulation. Capitalism
promotes initiative, and disabled people have benefited from so many
accessibility initiatives, among them screenreaders. But people like Juan
and Wogg, who seem to be saying that JAWS has the attributes of a utility in
the lives of disabled people, do raise valid concerns.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Ed,

Nice. Without your experience I could not have come even close to stating it
so eloquently.

Dave Carlson Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude E6520 and Windows 7

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:04
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Although it may be a little further down the course selection than 101, it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can discriminate in
price will make more money than one which cannot. Those who can pay more are
charged more. Those who otherwise couldn't pay the high price, pay less. So,
the firm makes more money on those who can pay and makes incremental revenue
on those who otherwise wouldn't buy. I could demonstrate this geometrically,
but that's a little beyond the purpose of this list. The above principle
would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be smart to discriminate in
price. There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions
that tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization. First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no
possibility for arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price
jurisdiction to sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with
the firm. Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on
this very list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly, that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world
countries than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified). I'm not
making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the above actually
articulated. So, unfortunately, that's the way it is. As much as you would
like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn from its paw, it is still
likely to bite your hand while you are in the process.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't afford
to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well because they
can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't have
access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community. I say
that computer access very definitely is a human right for the blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people poorer.

On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote: good point. i still don't
like some of this stuff, but i certainly do get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote: Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price charged for a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what it costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for development, etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in Windows or Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple economics.

Dave Carlson Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude E6520 and Windows 7

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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying for them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be much more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you support (and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really foolish to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product and brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the product is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts. At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough people are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I don't get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re:
Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7 yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices
of this stuff is so out of reach for many. because of slimy people like this
guy who wants short cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal
to all of you who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us
who try to do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote: this is not the place for this kind of
thing

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can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Charles Coe
 

Before computers the blind did what others did, make do with what was
available. Jobs for the blind were not easily acquired and accessing info
was very difficult to say the least.

Computers in the 80s were in the several thousands of dollars and text to
speech software was over $1,000 not to mention the synthesizer cost that had
to be purchased in order to accommodate the text to speech software. Yes
there was more than one or two companies who produced screen readers, but
they are no longer in business.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:16 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

What did you end up doing before Computers?

And is FS actually a private company - a close corporation - or is it quoted
on the stock market?

If the latter, then its accounts ought to be available publicly.

Even if it's actually private (closely held) most jurisdictions require that
it files accounts.



On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@gmail.com> wrote:
And worst of all is that there's actually blind people working for FS
and they know exactly what we need and that we have no other options
but to pay for the product.

On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
i think the whole thing is that when someone has a label put on them
such as "blind" or"disabled", all bets are off and the companies who
make products for that very specialized market have a field day with
it. they know we need many of their products and i don't think they
really care too much as long as they sell what they make. but if
someone in their realm of reality gets hit with the same label, they
react very differently. then everything is too expensive and they
think it's unfair. funny when the shoe is on the other foot, isn't it?

On 2/4/2012 1:41 PM, deadcatbounce wrote:
I don't believe that FS is publically traded.
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


Are FS's accounts available publicly? What profit margins does it
make on jaws?

On 2/4/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with your description of the advantages of price
discrimination.

However, your "piracy is greater in 3rd world countries" argument
is
1 Overbroad, it is true in some countries but by no means all,
2 May not apply to blind people ... How many significant pirates
are blind? Will pirates really concentrate on a product like this
instead of a mass market programme DVD whatever?

Even if it were correct, it would only cut revenues if there was a
way of getting the pirated copies from the 3rd world, into markets
where the company makes money currently, to undercut the price.

Your post also ignores the human rights dimention. For the blind,
computing is a human right these days.

Do you really think that copyright law is going to continue in its
current form? When you look at torrents etc., I say the writing is
on the wall.

Will there be copyright in the future? Yes but it will be
significantly different and more permissive.

Finally, does your moral outrage extend only to me or would you
support a petition re the 3rd world, aimed at FS?

If not, then I think you're focusing on the symptem and not on the
disease.



On 2/4/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@kutakrock.com> wrote:
Although it may be a little further down the course selection
than 101, it is an accepted principle of economics that a firm
which can discriminate in price will make more money than one
which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise
couldn't pay the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more
money on those who can pay and makes incremental revenue on those
who otherwise wouldn't buy. I could demonstrate this
geometrically, but that's a little beyond the purpose of this
list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would
be smart to discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and
assumptions that tend to undermine the price discrimination
strategy for profit maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no
possibility for arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the
low-price jurisdiction to sell into the high price jurisdiction
in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on
this very list points out the problem. It is generally believed,
rightly or wrongly, that regard for copyright rules and laws is
less in third world countries than is the case here. So, firms
often believe that for every one legitimate copy of a product
sold into a third world country, ten illegal copies will be made.
So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect of the piracy
is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all
the above actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the
thorn from its paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while
you are in the process.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who
can't afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well
because they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people
don't have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general
community. I say that computer access very definitely is a human
right for the blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say
the 3rd world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind
people poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i
certainly do get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price
charged for a product is based on what it cost to develop, what
it costs to duplicate, what it costs to support, what the
employees earn in salary, what it costs to rent the building,
what the next version will need for development, etc.; all
divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in
Windows or Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of
users so a large cost borne by a small group = high cost per
copy. Simple economics.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


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From: "Richard Holloway"<rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We
had no alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS
available for our young daughter to grow up with and learn
about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have
the same problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep
actually paying for them as opposed to choosing the route of
theft, which would clearly be much more practical for my family
financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you
support (and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really
foolish to me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy
of the program easily and legally for as long as you like (to
my understanding) with free upgrades and all, but apparently
the frequent restarting of the computer is too inconvenient for
you, so you therefore need to steal the product and brag about
it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding,
the product is still being paid for. The issue is that the
company and PEOPLE who develop and support the product also
have to get paid for their efforts.
At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if
enough people are stealing their products they'll just stop
developing and supporting them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I
don't get paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of
business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday,
February 04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re:
Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff
is so out of reach for many. because of slimy people like
this guy who wants short cuts instead of doing things the
correct way. thanks pal to all of you who try similar things
it's really apppreciated by those of us who try to do things
the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

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Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

sandy stegmayer <ssteg@...>
 

And that is the point I would nlike to make. Sugar, you are helping yourself and as such deserve to be helped. I used to work for the Commission for the Blind inb MA and many clients were helped to go on and become productive citizens. Sadly however, there were also a fair amount that wanted no mare than to "milk the system" and you could never do enough for them. Who do you think would ever want to hire someone like that?

Sandy


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Sugar" <sugarsyl71@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:17 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Nick..
I agree with you, as I am a client of "department of rehabiliation for my blindness, and am so blessed to have such programs like this, to assist those like myself, who can not go out and get programs like Jaws and computers.
In fact the lap top that I am currently useing,and the desk top that I will be recieving in the next few days with all programs I need to function will be provided to me by the state and department of rehabilitation
so I,for one am very thankful for individuals like yourself who are so willing to understand and ve so compassionate to understand that there are individuals who wish they can work and supply for themselves, but can not for what ever reason;therefore the state programs that are out there has bees been so helpful.
thank you
sugar

"Let Your Light So Shine before men,
so that they may see your good works and glorify our heavenly father in heaven.
`Matthew 5:16"
~Be Blessed, Sugar
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Just for your information, I'm part of a non profit organisation
raising awareness and trying to raise money for less fortunate people
to get assistive devices like jaws because as I said I know there's a
lot of less fortunate people who won't even be able to aford a
computer let alone jaws.

On 2/4/12, sandy stegmayer <ssteg@verizon.net> wrote:

The Seeing gets its financial from private donations. If you want the same
from FS, go out and find private individuals to donate to them. I am sick of
all this whining. This is what makes nonblind persons feel sorry for us. And
also, this kind of attitude is what makes it more difficult for some blind
persons get employment. Get off your butt, stop whining, and do something
constructive for yourself.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

So if a company can get sponsership or whatever to ask $150 for a
guide dog why can't another company get sponserships or government
support to make jaws a lot cheeper and afordable for a lot more people
around the world? I live in South Africa which is assentially a 3rd
world country compared to America and England. I can aford a computer,
software, a braille machine and jaws but so many others in this
country can't. As I'm sitting here I know for a fact that more than
half of people who whent to school with me, won't be able to aford
their own computer not even mentioning jaws, my question is, what
happens to those people, what oppertunities do they have in the main
streem world and all this just because companies rip off blind people
because they know, the blind people need their products to funktion.

On 2/4/12, Karen Hughes <khughes8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog. plus you
get
the training and housing while this takes place. i am in canada and this
is
were i got my information. i have had some mobility training but not
received a dog yet. i am in the line waiting just now, smile. karen

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have
been

from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for all
replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since
their
inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school. When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you
what
to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some of
the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation from
anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you
fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it cost
them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club pay
for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

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From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the
final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final
training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put
on

the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part
of

your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding
that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked

or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


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From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

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jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

sandy stegmayer <ssteg@...>
 

Before computers I used readers, braille and recorded books. I completged much of my graduate school education before computers. Ath the time I worked as a teacher of kids with learning disabilities. It wasn't easy and it took more time for me to complete tasks than my sighted peers but I did it. As I told my students, life isn't, not will it ever be, fair and if you want to succeed you need to put out the extra effort to be/do what you want. Unfortunately manu blind ( and sighted too) people allow well meaning people to "enable" them. From all the blind persons I have known, the happiest and most productive are those who have been responsible for themselves and have worked hard with the opportunities they have had... and haven't had.
Please, I don't mean to offend anyone but the tome of many of the posts have taken a "poor me" tone. In the long run, that is not helpful. And as for pirating, it is nothing more than theft and in my opinion, that is breaking the law and there sould be some sort of negative consequences.

Sandy


--------------------------------------------------
From: "wogg le4" <woggle4@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

What did you end up doing before Computers?

And is FS actually a private company - a close corporation - or is it
quoted on the stock market?

If the latter, then its accounts ought to be available publicly.

Even if it's actually private (closely held) most jurisdictions
require that it files accounts.



On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@gmail.com> wrote:
And worst of all is that there's actually blind people working for FS
and they know exactly what we need and that we have no other options
but to pay for the product.

On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
i think the whole thing is that when someone has a label put on them
such as "blind" or"disabled", all bets are off and the companies who
make products for that very specialized market have a field day with
it. they know we need many of their products and i don't think they
really care too much as long as they sell what they make. but if
someone in their realm of reality gets hit with the same label, they
react very differently. then everything is too expensive and they think
it's unfair. funny when the shoe is on the other foot, isn't it?

On 2/4/2012 1:41 PM, deadcatbounce wrote:
I don't believe that FS is publically traded.
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Are FS's accounts available publicly? What profit margins does it
make on jaws?

On 2/4/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with your description of the advantages of price
discrimination.

However, your "piracy is greater in 3rd world countries" argument is
1 Overbroad, it is true in some countries but by no means all,
2 May not apply to blind people ... How many significant pirates are
blind? Will pirates really concentrate on a product like this instead
of a mass market programme DVD whatever?

Even if it were correct, it would only cut revenues if there was a way
of getting the pirated copies from the 3rd world, into markets where
the company makes money currently, to undercut the price.

Your post also ignores the human rights dimention. For the blind,
computing is a human right these days.

Do you really think that copyright law is going to continue in its
current form? When you look at torrents etc., I say the writing is on
the wall.

Will there be copyright in the future? Yes but it will be
significantly different and more permissive.

Finally, does your moral outrage extend only to me or would you
support a petition re the 3rd world, aimed at FS?

If not, then I think you're focusing on the symptem and not on the
disease.



On 2/4/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@kutakrock.com> wrote:
Although it may be a little further down the course selection than
101,
it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can
discriminate
in
price will make more money than one which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise couldn't
pay
the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more money on those
who can
pay and makes incremental revenue on those who otherwise wouldn't
buy. I
could demonstrate this geometrically, but that's a little beyond the
purpose
of this list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be
smart
to
discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions
that
tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no
possibility for
arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price
jurisdiction to
sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on this
very
list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly,
that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world
countries
than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten
illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The
effect
of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the
above
actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn
from
its
paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while you are in the
process.


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't
afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well because
they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't
have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community. I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for the
blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say
the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people
poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i
certainly do
get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price
charged for
a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to
duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what it
costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for
development,
etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in
Windows or
Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of
users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple
economics.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our
young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the
same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying
for
them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be
much
more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you
support
(and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really
foolish
to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program
easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free
upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer
is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product and
brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the
product
is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who
develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts.
At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough
people
are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting
them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I
don't
get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday,
February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re:
Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

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Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

wogg le4 <woggle4@...>
 

The prices of medical devices are regulated right across Europe.
That doesn't mean that capitalism is abolished. Still lot's of money
to be made if you come up with cool new drugs that save lives. Still a
return on investment.

However, the Government make's sure that there isn't this kind of
price gouging. If blind people were a significant constituency, in
electoral terms, something similar would have been attempted.

Previous argument remind's me of the line in Totel Recall where the
Governer of Mars says that if "if you don't want to buy our air, you
don't have to breathe"

On 2/4/12, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote:
Freedom scientific is a company that emerged from the combination of three
existing access technology companies at the beginning of the last decade.
Richard Chandler reportedly came up with the idea as pricing power became
more problematical for his previous company, Sunrise Medical. A starting
point for anyone interested is a 2001 Accessworld article at
http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw020102in

Even in a capitalist system, industries are treated differently from others
if they are deemed essential to a functioning community. Electric, gas and
water utilities are subject to varying degrees of regulation. Capitalism
promotes initiative, and disabled people have benefited from so many
accessibility initiatives, among them screenreaders. But people like Juan
and Wogg, who seem to be saying that JAWS has the attributes of a utility in
the lives of disabled people, do raise valid concerns.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Ed,

Nice. Without your experience I could not have come even close to stating it
so eloquently.

Dave Carlson Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:04
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Although it may be a little further down the course selection than 101, it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can discriminate in
price will make more money than one which cannot. Those who can pay more are
charged more. Those who otherwise couldn't pay the high price, pay less. So,
the firm makes more money on those who can pay and makes incremental revenue
on those who otherwise wouldn't buy. I could demonstrate this geometrically,
but that's a little beyond the purpose of this list. The above principle
would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be smart to discriminate in
price. There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions
that tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization. First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no
possibility for arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price
jurisdiction to sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with
the firm. Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on
this very list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly, that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world
countries than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified). I'm not
making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the above actually
articulated. So, unfortunately, that's the way it is. As much as you would
like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn from its paw, it is still
likely to bite your hand while you are in the process.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't afford
to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well because they
can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't have
access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community. I say
that computer access very definitely is a human right for the blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people poorer.

On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote: good point. i still don't
like some of this stuff, but i certainly do get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote: Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price charged for a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what it costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for development, etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in Windows or Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple economics.

Dave Carlson Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway"<rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying for them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be much more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you support (and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really foolish to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product and brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the product is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts. At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough people are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I don't get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re:
Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7 yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices
of this stuff is so out of reach for many. because of slimy people like this
guy who wants short cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal
to all of you who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us
who try to do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote: this is not the place for this kind of
thing

-----Original Message-----
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jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Drew Hunthausen
 

I'm not saying that FS doesn't make a lot of money off us, but I do think
it's an exaggeration to say they're getting rich from us. Windows does
charge a good deal of money for windows, but paying$150 for windows is a lot
different than paying $1000 for Jaws. If you sell a million copies of Jaws
for 1000, it's still not as much as selling 25 million copies of Windows for
$150.

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On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:06 AM
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Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Drew, You say it would have been a different story if jaws sold as
much as windows. Well why is windows still that expensive then? Answer
just because they can, just like Freedom Scientific they can ask that
money because they know we have no other option. I agree jaws has a
much smaller market share than lots of other software but still think
FS makes a hell of a lot of money off us.

On 2/4/12, Drew Hunthausen <dhunthausen@gmail.com> wrote:
The price for Jaws and Window Eyes stays high because of the relatively
small population of people that use them. Compared with the mainstream
computer software products, the ones made for the blind are forced to
charge
higher prices because of this smaller demand. If Freedom Scientific was
able
to sell as many copies of Jaws as Microsoft sells of Windows operating
system than that would be another story all together. I to wish these
programs like jaws were much less expensive, but if they were I don't see
how they could exist in the first place. As far as Jaws cracks being the
same as copying movies, the similarities stop at the fact that they are
both
stealing. Movies and music have a huge market where as Jaws as a small
targeted market in those blind people who can afford it. I'm not saying
that
I like it, but I don't see any other way it could work.

Drew
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On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:19 AM
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Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Well, FS does have competition from GW Micro's Window Eyes. Yet, the
price
of both JAWS and Window Eyes remains high. Why? I suspect that both
companies have conspired to fix prices at arbitrarily high levels. But
because they are relatively small, they have managed to avoid the scrutiny
of the FTC.

Gerald


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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


It may cost them less than that. I think the product is overpriced, and I
highly object to charging for skipped upgrades or SMA's where no support
was ever offered for those versions. If that business model works, they
should be increasing the product cost of each new version to make new
customers pay for versions they never owned, right?

The problem with the system is there is no real competition on par with
JAWS and there probably won't be for a long time. Even a great new p
roduct would take forever to gain enough market share that it is a viable
replacement in the workplace.

If the Coke company wants to start charging $20 for a can of Coke, they
can do that, but as long as there is Pepsi and the odd RC Cola (or
whatever) Coke would loose a lot of money in the process of jacking up
their prices. That applies to most everything we buy. Cell phones got
much

cheaper in recent years because (in part) there has been competition in
the marketplace. When you have no competition, you can pretty well set
pricing at will. Make no mistake about it, Freedom Scientific is not a
non-proffit organization.

Freedom could absolutely use some competition, at least from the
consumers' standpoint. It drives pricing down and product quality up.
That

however doesn't mean that if Cokes (my personal favorite) go up to $20
apiece I can justify stealing them because I think they are overpriced.
That's where it all breaks down for me.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:50 AM, cecropia64 wrote:

unfortunately, nobody said that greed doesn't have a whole lot to do
with

all this, because it certainly does. also, do you really think jaws
costs a thousand bucks? i'll bet it costs freedome about a hundred and
fifty to twwo hundred to actually produce, if that. oh well, looks like
there isn't one answer that fits all.

On 2/4/2012 11:33 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote:
Just one thing else for interest sake now that you mention steeling
from software companies pockets. I know this is getting off topic but
end of last year sometime I read a study, they actually said if
Microsoft considerably drop their software prices for windows and
office, they'll actually make more of a profit than they currently do.
Because at the moment windows and office is the most pirated software
worldwide and if it's cheeper more people will buy it. If you think
about it most people pirate software because they can't afford it so
imagine how many more will buy windows if it was like $40 or $50, just
look at Apple's Lion OS, the upgrade cost people $30 for 10 machines
assentially $3 per computer.

On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos<bigboy529@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo<jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put
on
the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part
of
your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding
that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies
by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked
or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo"<jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Petition on Price of Jaws in Third World

wogg le4 <woggle4@...>
 

Dear list,

I write to ask whether people would be prepared to support a petition
asking for the price of JAWS to be lowered, not for ourselves but for
blind people in the developing world.

The fact is that there are thousands, probably milions of blind people
around the world who cannot afford to buy JAWS or any other screen
reader.
This is a vicious circle for most, since without the independence that
computers bring, they will struggle to make money, to get a job, to
live the kinds of independent lives you take for granted.

I think a petition by JAWS users should carry some weight with the firm.

Let me know if you are interested.


Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Sugar <sugarsyl71@...>
 

Nick..
I agree with you, as I am a client of "department of rehabiliation for my blindness, and am so blessed to have such programs like this, to assist those like myself, who can not go out and get programs like Jaws and computers.
In fact the lap top that I am currently useing,and the desk top that I will be recieving in the next few days with all programs I need to function will be provided to me by the state and department of rehabilitation
so I,for one am very thankful for individuals like yourself who are so willing to understand and ve so compassionate to understand that there are individuals who wish they can work and supply for themselves, but can not for what ever reason;therefore the state programs that are out there has bees been so helpful.
thank you
sugar

"Let Your Light So Shine before men,
so that they may see your good works and glorify our heavenly father in heaven.
`Matthew 5:16"
~Be Blessed, Sugar

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Just for your information, I'm part of a non profit organisation
raising awareness and trying to raise money for less fortunate people
to get assistive devices like jaws because as I said I know there's a
lot of less fortunate people who won't even be able to aford a
computer let alone jaws.

On 2/4/12, sandy stegmayer <ssteg@verizon.net> wrote:

The Seeing gets its financial from private donations. If you want the same
from FS, go out and find private individuals to donate to them. I am sick of
all this whining. This is what makes nonblind persons feel sorry for us. And
also, this kind of attitude is what makes it more difficult for some blind
persons get employment. Get off your butt, stop whining, and do something
constructive for yourself.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

So if a company can get sponsership or whatever to ask $150 for a
guide dog why can't another company get sponserships or government
support to make jaws a lot cheeper and afordable for a lot more people
around the world? I live in South Africa which is assentially a 3rd
world country compared to America and England. I can aford a computer,
software, a braille machine and jaws but so many others in this
country can't. As I'm sitting here I know for a fact that more than
half of people who whent to school with me, won't be able to aford
their own computer not even mentioning jaws, my question is, what
happens to those people, what oppertunities do they have in the main
streem world and all this just because companies rip off blind people
because they know, the blind people need their products to funktion.

On 2/4/12, Karen Hughes <khughes8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog. plus you
get
the training and housing while this takes place. i am in canada and this
is
were i got my information. i have had some mobility training but not
received a dog yet. i am in the line waiting just now, smile. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have
been

from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for all
replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since
their
inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school. When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you
what
to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some of
the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation from
anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you
fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it cost
them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club pay
for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the
final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final
training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put
on

the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part
of

your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding
that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked

or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

sandy stegmayer <ssteg@...>
 

I think that is great... but stop the whining. Some of us who have spent their lives teaching sighted individuals that the blind need not be treated as charity cases.


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:09 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Just for your information, I'm part of a non profit organisation
raising awareness and trying to raise money for less fortunate people
to get assistive devices like jaws because as I said I know there's a
lot of less fortunate people who won't even be able to aford a
computer let alone jaws.

On 2/4/12, sandy stegmayer <ssteg@verizon.net> wrote:

The Seeing gets its financial from private donations. If you want the same
from FS, go out and find private individuals to donate to them. I am sick of
all this whining. This is what makes nonblind persons feel sorry for us. And
also, this kind of attitude is what makes it more difficult for some blind
persons get employment. Get off your butt, stop whining, and do something
constructive for yourself.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

So if a company can get sponsership or whatever to ask $150 for a
guide dog why can't another company get sponserships or government
support to make jaws a lot cheeper and afordable for a lot more people
around the world? I live in South Africa which is assentially a 3rd
world country compared to America and England. I can aford a computer,
software, a braille machine and jaws but so many others in this
country can't. As I'm sitting here I know for a fact that more than
half of people who whent to school with me, won't be able to aford
their own computer not even mentioning jaws, my question is, what
happens to those people, what oppertunities do they have in the main
streem world and all this just because companies rip off blind people
because they know, the blind people need their products to funktion.

On 2/4/12, Karen Hughes <khughes8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog. plus you
get
the training and housing while this takes place. i am in canada and this
is
were i got my information. i have had some mobility training but not
received a dog yet. i am in the line waiting just now, smile. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have
been

from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for all
replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since
their
inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school. When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you
what
to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some of
the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation from
anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you
fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it cost
them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club pay
for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the
final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final
training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put
on

the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part
of

your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding
that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked

or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

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Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

wogg le4 <woggle4@...>
 

What did you end up doing before Computers?

And is FS actually a private company - a close corporation - or is it
quoted on the stock market?

If the latter, then its accounts ought to be available publicly.

Even if it's actually private (closely held) most jurisdictions
require that it files accounts.

On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@gmail.com> wrote:
And worst of all is that there's actually blind people working for FS
and they know exactly what we need and that we have no other options
but to pay for the product.

On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
i think the whole thing is that when someone has a label put on them
such as "blind" or"disabled", all bets are off and the companies who
make products for that very specialized market have a field day with
it. they know we need many of their products and i don't think they
really care too much as long as they sell what they make. but if
someone in their realm of reality gets hit with the same label, they
react very differently. then everything is too expensive and they think
it's unfair. funny when the shoe is on the other foot, isn't it?

On 2/4/2012 1:41 PM, deadcatbounce wrote:
I don't believe that FS is publically traded.
----- Original Message ----- From: "wogg le4" <woggle4@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


Are FS's accounts available publicly? What profit margins does it
make on jaws?

On 2/4/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with your description of the advantages of price
discrimination.

However, your "piracy is greater in 3rd world countries" argument is
1 Overbroad, it is true in some countries but by no means all,
2 May not apply to blind people ... How many significant pirates are
blind? Will pirates really concentrate on a product like this instead
of a mass market programme DVD whatever?

Even if it were correct, it would only cut revenues if there was a way
of getting the pirated copies from the 3rd world, into markets where
the company makes money currently, to undercut the price.

Your post also ignores the human rights dimention. For the blind,
computing is a human right these days.

Do you really think that copyright law is going to continue in its
current form? When you look at torrents etc., I say the writing is on
the wall.

Will there be copyright in the future? Yes but it will be
significantly different and more permissive.

Finally, does your moral outrage extend only to me or would you
support a petition re the 3rd world, aimed at FS?

If not, then I think you're focusing on the symptem and not on the
disease.



On 2/4/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@kutakrock.com> wrote:
Although it may be a little further down the course selection than
101,
it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can
discriminate
in
price will make more money than one which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise couldn't
pay
the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more money on those
who can
pay and makes incremental revenue on those who otherwise wouldn't
buy. I
could demonstrate this geometrically, but that's a little beyond the
purpose
of this list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be
smart
to
discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions
that
tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no
possibility for
arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price
jurisdiction to
sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on this
very
list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly,
that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world
countries
than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten
illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The
effect
of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the
above
actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn
from
its
paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while you are in the
process.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't
afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well because
they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't
have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community. I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for the
blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say
the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people
poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i
certainly do
get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price
charged for
a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to
duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what it
costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for
development,
etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in
Windows or
Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of
users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple
economics.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our
young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the
same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying
for
them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be
much
more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you
support
(and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really
foolish
to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program
easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free
upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer
is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product and
brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the
product
is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who
develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts.
At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough
people
are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting
them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I
don't
get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday,
February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re:
Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Adrian Spratt
 

Freedom scientific is a company that emerged from the combination of three
existing access technology companies at the beginning of the last decade.
Richard Chandler reportedly came up with the idea as pricing power became
more problematical for his previous company, Sunrise Medical. A starting
point for anyone interested is a 2001 Accessworld article at
http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw020102in

Even in a capitalist system, industries are treated differently from others
if they are deemed essential to a functioning community. Electric, gas and
water utilities are subject to varying degrees of regulation. Capitalism
promotes initiative, and disabled people have benefited from so many
accessibility initiatives, among them screenreaders. But people like Juan
and Wogg, who seem to be saying that JAWS has the attributes of a utility in
the lives of disabled people, do raise valid concerns.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Ed,

Nice. Without your experience I could not have come even close to stating it
so eloquently.

Dave Carlson Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:04
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Although it may be a little further down the course selection than 101, it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can discriminate in
price will make more money than one which cannot. Those who can pay more are
charged more. Those who otherwise couldn't pay the high price, pay less. So,
the firm makes more money on those who can pay and makes incremental revenue
on those who otherwise wouldn't buy. I could demonstrate this geometrically,
but that's a little beyond the purpose of this list. The above principle
would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be smart to discriminate in
price. There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions
that tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization. First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no
possibility for arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price
jurisdiction to sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with
the firm. Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on
this very list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly, that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world
countries than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified). I'm not
making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the above actually
articulated. So, unfortunately, that's the way it is. As much as you would
like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn from its paw, it is still
likely to bite your hand while you are in the process.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't afford
to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well because they
can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't have
access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community. I say
that computer access very definitely is a human right for the blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people poorer.

On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote: good point. i still don't
like some of this stuff, but i certainly do get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote: Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price charged for a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what it costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for development, etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in Windows or Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple economics.

Dave Carlson Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway"<rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying for them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be much more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you support (and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really foolish to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product and brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the product is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts. At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough people are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I don't get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re:
Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7 yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices
of this stuff is so out of reach for many. because of slimy people like this
guy who wants short cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal
to all of you who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us
who try to do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote: this is not the place for this kind of
thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!


Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

sandy stegmayer <ssteg@...>
 

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:02 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@listsI am now Karen but when I got my first dog I still had a little vision. What school did you apply to. If you don't get in, try Seeing Eye in Morristown NJ. Many Canadians attend there and it is like a vacation... private rooms with a private bathroom, great food, wondrful staff and trainer and of course, great dogs. You will find having a dog not only allows you to move more quickly but it is a great way to meet people. I found people often shy away from a person with a cane but easily start conversations with someone with a dog.

Good luck,
Sandy
.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i have been working on mobility skills for a long time and find being totally blind, this is a real challenge. some times i get pretty frustrated. this winter has been wonderful because last winter we had so much snow. how does one deal with this. i had my interview three weeks ago and not heard the verdict yet. will try to call them next week if they dont contact me. are you totally blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Coe" <charlesmar@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:51 PM
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I hope you do not catch cold standing in line out there in the cold.(smile)

I had waited about six months for my first guide. Not so long for my second
and third.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Karen Hughes
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:46 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog. plus you get
the training and housing while this takes place. i am in canada and this is
were i got my information. i have had some mobility training but not
received a dog yet. i am in the line waiting just now, smile. karen

----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have been
from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for all
replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since their
inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school. When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you what
to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some of
the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal. The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation from
anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you
fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it cost
them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club pay
for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the
final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final
training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put on
the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part of
your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a cracked
or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

Just for your information, I'm part of a non profit organisation
raising awareness and trying to raise money for less fortunate people
to get assistive devices like jaws because as I said I know there's a
lot of less fortunate people who won't even be able to aford a
computer let alone jaws.

On 2/4/12, sandy stegmayer <ssteg@verizon.net> wrote:

The Seeing gets its financial from private donations. If you want the same
from FS, go out and find private individuals to donate to them. I am sick of
all this whining. This is what makes nonblind persons feel sorry for us. And
also, this kind of attitude is what makes it more difficult for some blind
persons get employment. Get off your butt, stop whining, and do something
constructive for yourself.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

So if a company can get sponsership or whatever to ask $150 for a
guide dog why can't another company get sponserships or government
support to make jaws a lot cheeper and afordable for a lot more people
around the world? I live in South Africa which is assentially a 3rd
world country compared to America and England. I can aford a computer,
software, a braille machine and jaws but so many others in this
country can't. As I'm sitting here I know for a fact that more than
half of people who whent to school with me, won't be able to aford
their own computer not even mentioning jaws, my question is, what
happens to those people, what oppertunities do they have in the main
streem world and all this just because companies rip off blind people
because they know, the blind people need their products to funktion.

On 2/4/12, Karen Hughes <khughes8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog. plus you
get
the training and housing while this takes place. i am in canada and this
is
were i got my information. i have had some mobility training but not
received a dog yet. i am in the line waiting just now, smile. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have
been

from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for all
replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since
their
inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school. When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you
what
to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some of
the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation from
anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you
fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it cost
them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club pay
for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the
final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final
training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put
on

the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part
of

your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding
that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked

or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

Drew, You say it would have been a different story if jaws sold as
much as windows. Well why is windows still that expensive then? Answer
just because they can, just like Freedom Scientific they can ask that
money because they know we have no other option. I agree jaws has a
much smaller market share than lots of other software but still think
FS makes a hell of a lot of money off us.

On 2/4/12, Drew Hunthausen <dhunthausen@gmail.com> wrote:
The price for Jaws and Window Eyes stays high because of the relatively
small population of people that use them. Compared with the mainstream
computer software products, the ones made for the blind are forced to charge
higher prices because of this smaller demand. If Freedom Scientific was able
to sell as many copies of Jaws as Microsoft sells of Windows operating
system than that would be another story all together. I to wish these
programs like jaws were much less expensive, but if they were I don't see
how they could exist in the first place. As far as Jaws cracks being the
same as copying movies, the similarities stop at the fact that they are both
stealing. Movies and music have a huge market where as Jaws as a small
targeted market in those blind people who can afford it. I'm not saying that
I like it, but I don't see any other way it could work.

Drew
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:19 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Well, FS does have competition from GW Micro's Window Eyes. Yet, the price
of both JAWS and Window Eyes remains high. Why? I suspect that both
companies have conspired to fix prices at arbitrarily high levels. But
because they are relatively small, they have managed to avoid the scrutiny
of the FTC.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


It may cost them less than that. I think the product is overpriced, and I
highly object to charging for skipped upgrades or SMA's where no support
was ever offered for those versions. If that business model works, they
should be increasing the product cost of each new version to make new
customers pay for versions they never owned, right?

The problem with the system is there is no real competition on par with
JAWS and there probably won't be for a long time. Even a great new p
roduct would take forever to gain enough market share that it is a viable
replacement in the workplace.

If the Coke company wants to start charging $20 for a can of Coke, they
can do that, but as long as there is Pepsi and the odd RC Cola (or
whatever) Coke would loose a lot of money in the process of jacking up
their prices. That applies to most everything we buy. Cell phones got much
cheaper in recent years because (in part) there has been competition in
the marketplace. When you have no competition, you can pretty well set
pricing at will. Make no mistake about it, Freedom Scientific is not a
non-proffit organization.

Freedom could absolutely use some competition, at least from the
consumers' standpoint. It drives pricing down and product quality up. That
however doesn't mean that if Cokes (my personal favorite) go up to $20
apiece I can justify stealing them because I think they are overpriced.
That's where it all breaks down for me.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:50 AM, cecropia64 wrote:

unfortunately, nobody said that greed doesn't have a whole lot to do with
all this, because it certainly does. also, do you really think jaws
costs a thousand bucks? i'll bet it costs freedome about a hundred and
fifty to twwo hundred to actually produce, if that. oh well, looks like
there isn't one answer that fits all.

On 2/4/2012 11:33 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote:
Just one thing else for interest sake now that you mention steeling
from software companies pockets. I know this is getting off topic but
end of last year sometime I read a study, they actually said if
Microsoft considerably drop their software prices for windows and
office, they'll actually make more of a profit than they currently do.
Because at the moment windows and office is the most pirated software
worldwide and if it's cheeper more people will buy it. If you think
about it most people pirate software because they can't afford it so
imagine how many more will buy windows if it was like $40 or $50, just
look at Apple's Lion OS, the upgrade cost people $30 for 10 machines
assentially $3 per computer.

On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos<bigboy529@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo<jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put
on
the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part
of
your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding
that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies
by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked
or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo"<jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

sandy stegmayer <ssteg@...>
 

The Seeing gets its financial from private donations. If you want the same from FS, go out and find private individuals to donate to them. I am sick of all this whining. This is what makes nonblind persons feel sorry for us. And also, this kind of attitude is what makes it more difficult for some blind persons get employment. Get off your butt, stop whining, and do something constructive for yourself.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

So if a company can get sponsership or whatever to ask $150 for a
guide dog why can't another company get sponserships or government
support to make jaws a lot cheeper and afordable for a lot more people
around the world? I live in South Africa which is assentially a 3rd
world country compared to America and England. I can aford a computer,
software, a braille machine and jaws but so many others in this
country can't. As I'm sitting here I know for a fact that more than
half of people who whent to school with me, won't be able to aford
their own computer not even mentioning jaws, my question is, what
happens to those people, what oppertunities do they have in the main
streem world and all this just because companies rip off blind people
because they know, the blind people need their products to funktion.

On 2/4/12, Karen Hughes <khughes8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog. plus you get
the training and housing while this takes place. i am in canada and this is
were i got my information. i have had some mobility training but not
received a dog yet. i am in the line waiting just now, smile. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have been

from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for all
replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since their
inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school. When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you what
to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some of
the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal. The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation from
anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you
fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it cost
them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club pay
for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the
final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final
training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put on

the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part of

your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a cracked

or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Karen Hughes <khughes8@...>
 

i have been working on mobility skills for a long time and find being totally blind, this is a real challenge. some times i get pretty frustrated. this winter has been wonderful because last winter we had so much snow. how does one deal with this. i had my interview three weeks ago and not heard the verdict yet. will try to call them next week if they dont contact me. are you totally blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Coe" <charlesmar@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:51 PM
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I hope you do not catch cold standing in line out there in the cold.(smile)

I had waited about six months for my first guide. Not so long for my second
and third.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Karen Hughes
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:46 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog. plus you get
the training and housing while this takes place. i am in canada and this is
were i got my information. i have had some mobility training but not
received a dog yet. i am in the line waiting just now, smile. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have been
from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for all
replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since their
inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school. When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you what
to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some of
the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal. The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation from
anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you
fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it cost
them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club pay
for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the
final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final
training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put on
the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part of
your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a cracked
or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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