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Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I took my last degree in 1982, just as the computer revolution was
gathering steam. I began using them on a daily basis in 1986, while
teaching at University of Louisville. No, I certainly would not want to
go back, but, on the whole, I agree with Sandy. I appreciate what I now
have precisely because I remember when it wasn't around.

As for underwriting devices for developing nations, it's been done with
computers, it's been done with shortwave radios, and it's a pretty good
idea overall. The right to uncensored international news may or may not
be a basic human right, but those FreePlay radios are jumping off the
shelves.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of sandy stegmayer
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Before computers I used readers, braille and recorded books. I
completged much of my graduate school education before computers. Ath
the time I worked as a teacher of kids with learning disabilities. It
wasn't easy and it took more time for me to complete tasks than my
sighted peers but I did it. As I told my students, life isn't, not will
it ever be, fair and if you want to succeed you need to put out the
extra effort to be/do what you want.
Unfortunately manu blind ( and sighted too) people allow well meaning
people to "enable" them. From all the blind persons I have known, the
happiest and most productive are those who have been responsible for
themselves and have worked hard with the opportunities they have had...
and haven't had.
Please, I don't mean to offend anyone but the tome of many of the posts
have taken a "poor me" tone. In the long run, that is not helpful. And
as for pirating, it is nothing more than theft and in my opinion, that
is breaking the law and there sould be some sort of negative
consequences.

Sandy


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From: "wogg le4" <woggle4@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:15 PM
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Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

What did you end up doing before Computers?

And is FS actually a private company - a close corporation - or is it
quoted on the stock market?

If the latter, then its accounts ought to be available publicly.

Even if it's actually private (closely held) most jurisdictions
require that it files accounts.



On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@gmail.com> wrote:
And worst of all is that there's actually blind people working for FS
and they know exactly what we need and that we have no other options
but to pay for the product.

On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
i think the whole thing is that when someone has a label put on them
such as "blind" or"disabled", all bets are off and the companies who
make products for that very specialized market have a field day with
it. they know we need many of their products and i don't think they
really care too much as long as they sell what they make. but if
someone in their realm of reality gets hit with the same label, they
react very differently. then everything is too expensive and they
think it's unfair. funny when the shoe is on the other foot, isn't
it?

On 2/4/2012 1:41 PM, deadcatbounce wrote:
I don't believe that FS is publically traded.
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Are FS's accounts available publicly? What profit margins does it
make on jaws?

On 2/4/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with your description of the advantages of price
discrimination.

However, your "piracy is greater in 3rd world countries" argument
is
1 Overbroad, it is true in some countries but by no means all,
2 May not apply to blind people ... How many significant pirates
are blind? Will pirates really concentrate on a product like this
instead of a mass market programme DVD whatever?

Even if it were correct, it would only cut revenues if there was
a way of getting the pirated copies from the 3rd world, into
markets where the company makes money currently, to undercut the
price.

Your post also ignores the human rights dimention. For the blind,
computing is a human right these days.

Do you really think that copyright law is going to continue in
its current form? When you look at torrents etc., I say the
writing is on the wall.

Will there be copyright in the future? Yes but it will be
significantly different and more permissive.

Finally, does your moral outrage extend only to me or would you
support a petition re the 3rd world, aimed at FS?

If not, then I think you're focusing on the symptem and not on
the disease.



On 2/4/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@kutakrock.com> wrote:
Although it may be a little further down the course selection
than 101, it is an accepted principle of economics that a firm
which can discriminate in price will make more money than one
which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise
couldn't pay the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more
money on those who can pay and makes incremental revenue on
those who otherwise wouldn't buy. I could demonstrate this
geometrically, but that's a little beyond the purpose of this
list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would
be smart to discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and
assumptions that tend to undermine the price discrimination
strategy for profit maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no
possibility for arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the
low-price jurisdiction to sell into the high price jurisdiction
in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion
on this very list points out the problem. It is generally
believed, rightly or wrongly, that regard for copyright rules
and laws is less in third world countries than is the case here.
So, firms often believe that for every one legitimate copy of a
product sold into a third world country, ten illegal copies will
be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all
the above actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the
thorn from its paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while
you are in the process.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal
food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who
can't afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well
because they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people
don't have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general
community.
I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for
the blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in
say the 3rd world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind
people poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i
certainly do get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price
charged for a product is based on what it cost to develop,
what it costs to duplicate, what it costs to support, what the
employees earn in salary, what it costs to rent the building,
what the next version will need for development, etc.; all
divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in
Windows or Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of
users so a large cost borne by a small group = high cost per
copy. Simple economics.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude E6520 and Windows 7


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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We
had no alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS
available for our young daughter to grow up with and learn
about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I
have the same problem when shopping for food or clothes, I
keep actually paying for them as opposed to choosing the route
of theft, which would clearly be much more practical for my
family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you
support (and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems
really foolish to me about all of this is that you can use a
demo copy of the program easily and legally for as long as you
like (to my understanding) with free upgrades and all, but
apparently the frequent restarting of the computer is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the
product and brag about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding,
the product is still being paid for. The issue is that the
company and PEOPLE who develop and support the product also
have to get paid for their efforts.
At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if
enough people are stealing their products they'll just stop
developing and supporting them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if
I don't get paid for my work I run out of money and I go out
of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday,
February 04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject:
Re:
Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff
is so out of reach for many. because of slimy people like
this guy who wants short cuts instead of doing things the
correct way. thanks pal to all of you who try similar things
it's really apppreciated by those of us who try to do things
the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the- jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg
le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: Where in the world are you?

Richard Benoit
 

Is this still the JAWS list?

On Feb 5, 2012, at 11:51 AM, John Vernaleken wrote:

Clifton NJ


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:39 AM
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Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco bay area too!
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
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Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco Bay Area, California.


Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dondi" <zidnod63@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 03:31
Subject: Where in the world are you?


Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many places
around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to me would
like to say where they are from?

I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



Dondi

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Re: Blind Adults List: How To Subscribe

Dave...
 

Why?

Dave Carlson
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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 19:12
Subject: Blind Adults List: How To Subscribe


Dear all,

I am trying to subscribe to the blind adults mailing list.

I keep getting undelivered messages. Is anyone a member and can you
tell me where I can subscribe?

Wog

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Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

Dave...
 

Charles,

Appreciate your vote of confidence, but no, I'd probably kick everyone off
in reverse alphabetical order, or worse yet, moderate myself.

I'm too anal to be a moderate-or.

Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Coe" <charlesmar@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 19:26
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


Dave,

Why not, you might be a very good one.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Farfar at Home
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

Charles,

Well, you sure don't want me to be the moderator.

Dave Carlson
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E6520 and Windows 7


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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:11
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


Perhaps a new moderator is needed. Any takers?

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

James,

Are you perhaps AWOL on the jfw list? Seems as though you and Jessica are no
longer minding the store.


Dave Carlson
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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 09:52
Subject: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


Folks,

In an attempt to cut down on some of the excess trafick that crosses this
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issues not particular to JFW or its interactions with other programs. To
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Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

Charles Coe
 

Dave,

Why not, you might be a very good one.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar at Home
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:54 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

Charles,

Well, you sure don't want me to be the moderator.

Dave Carlson
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E6520 and Windows 7


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From: "Charles Coe" <charlesmar@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:11
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


Perhaps a new moderator is needed. Any takers?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

James,

Are you perhaps AWOL on the jfw list? Seems as though you and Jessica are no
longer minding the store.


Dave Carlson
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E6520 and Windows 7


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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 09:52
Subject: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


Folks,

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Blind Adults List: How To Subscribe

wogg le4 <woggle4@...>
 

Dear all,

I am trying to subscribe to the blind adults mailing list.

I keep getting undelivered messages. Is anyone a member and can you
tell me where I can subscribe?

Wog


Re: Attaching files in yahoo mail

Candy <crlowesings@...>
 

I haven't been too successful in doing this. Sometimes it works and sometimes not. What you do is I use the mobile sitewhich is m.yahoo.com. Compose your email. Then tab down to manage attachments. Then shift tab up a few times until it says brouse. Then you have to shift tab a couple of times until you saw a tree view of folders. You have to click on the folder where the file is located. Then enter on it. When you pick your file, then go to attach files button, and enter on that. All I can say is sometimes it has worked for me and sometimes not. I don't know why.



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BlindTunes 1.3.3 released, fixed guides and hotkeys

John Martyn
 

This patches the guides and hotkeys in the virtual viewer from disappearing.
Download here:
www.BlindTunes.net/BlindTunes1.3.3Setup.exe
Peace,
John Martyn


Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Gary King
 

That's all right, John. I don't need to talk to the fellow about Ted Henter's character. I just finished reading the Steve Jobs biography, and I still like my iPod Touch!

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:23 PM
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


You could bd right about the name, but I was close. But as for the rest of
the story I can connect you with the fellow I was talking about.
Jojhn

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:43 AM
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Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

I can't speak to the accuracy of the rest of your message, but the creator
of JAWS is Ted Hinter, not Tom Hinter.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:29 PM
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


I know the fellow responsible for JAWS making the move from DOS to windows.
IN Those days you could call JAWS and speak to Tom Hinter. This fellow
did
this, he called Microsoft many times until he found a fellow wanting to
hook
up with someone to make Windows Accessible. He got the two men together
b;y
phone, and the process started that make JAWS for Windows. This fellow
called Tom Hinter and asked for a free version of JAWS for Windows, and
Tom
told him to buy a copy. That is how Tom Hinter thanked this fellow.
John

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On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:05 PM
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Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Although it may be a little further down the course selection than 101, it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can discriminate
in
price will make more money than one which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise couldn't pay
the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more money on those who can
pay and makes incremental revenue on those who otherwise wouldn't buy. I
could demonstrate this geometrically, but that's a little beyond the
purpose
of this list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be smart
to
discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions that
tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no possibility for
arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price jurisdiction to
sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on this
very
list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly,
that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world countries
than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect
of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the above
actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn from
its
paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while you are in the process.


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On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't
afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well because
they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't
have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community. I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for the
blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i certainly do
get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price charged for a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what it
costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for development,
etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in Windows or
Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple
economics.

Dave Carlson
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E6520 and Windows 7


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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our
young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying for
them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be much
more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you support
(and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really foolish
to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program
easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free
upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product and
brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the
product
is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who
develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts. At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough people
are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting
them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I don't
get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: Where in the world are you?

Eva Bergara <evab@...>
 

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

wogg le4 <woggle4@...>
 

So do I in fairness!!!

I didn't know they did that!!!

On 2/6/12, Eric Ngondi <eric.ngondi@gmail.com> wrote:
hi wogg
,
a while back was in a class and a friend got sponsored a laptop and
as such applied to Fs for jaws. he got a version of it. i give them
credit for that.

On 2/7/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
Eric,

That is very interesting. So you say they do provide the software to
people in developing countries? Can you give us details?

Interested in this


On 2/6/12, Eric Ngondi <eric.ngondi@gmail.com> wrote:
hi list,
been folowing the debate all the way here in kenya. trueth be told
the product ids damn expensive . if it can be cheaper the better.
but pirating is not my thing.
karenn or any other member , i dont mind if i could have copy of
retired jaws versions. a friend of mine got a copy of jaws 11 from
FS for free a while back , thus not as evil as people think. hope to
get mine soon,God willing.. . 40 nim up, have to go.

On 2/7/12, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
You sure as the dickens couldn't tell the difference on price, or
contracts. GWMicro is no poor relation!

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:41 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Gerald, this is unfounded speculation. The evidence suggests it is also
wrong. FS and GWM have been in litigation in the past. Also, they claim
to aim for different primary markets. JAWS is targeted at government
agencies and other large organizations, while WindowEyes appears to be
marketed more to individuals. Obviously, there is much crossover, but
the primary customer bases are different. There's no need for collusion,
even if both companies were willing.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Well, FS does have competition from GW Micro's Window Eyes. Yet, the
price of both JAWS and Window Eyes remains high. Why? I suspect that
both companies have conspired to fix prices at arbitrarily high levels.
But because they are relatively small, they have managed to avoid the
scrutiny of the FTC.

Gerald


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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


It may cost them less than that. I think the product is overpriced,
and I highly object to charging for skipped upgrades or SMA's where no
support was ever offered for those versions. If that business model
works, they should be increasing the product cost of each new version
to make new customers pay for versions they never owned, right?

The problem with the system is there is no real competition on par
with JAWS and there probably won't be for a long time. Even a great
new p roduct would take forever to gain enough market share that it is
a viable replacement in the workplace.

If the Coke company wants to start charging $20 for a can of Coke,
they can do that, but as long as there is Pepsi and the odd RC Cola
(or
whatever) Coke would loose a lot of money in the process of jacking up
their prices. That applies to most everything we buy. Cell phones got
much cheaper in recent years because (in part) there has been
competition in the marketplace. When you have no competition, you can
pretty well set pricing at will. Make no mistake about it, Freedom
Scientific is not a non-proffit organization.

Freedom could absolutely use some competition, at least from the
consumers' standpoint. It drives pricing down and product quality up.
That however doesn't mean that if Cokes (my personal favorite) go up
to $20 apiece I can justify stealing them because I think they are
overpriced.
That's where it all breaks down for me.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:50 AM, cecropia64 wrote:

unfortunately, nobody said that greed doesn't have a whole lot to do
with all this, because it certainly does. also, do you really think
jaws costs a thousand bucks? i'll bet it costs freedome about a
hundred and fifty to twwo hundred to actually produce, if that. oh
well, looks like there isn't one answer that fits all.

On 2/4/2012 11:33 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote:
Just one thing else for interest sake now that you mention steeling
from software companies pockets. I know this is getting off topic
but end of last year sometime I read a study, they actually said if
Microsoft considerably drop their software prices for windows and
office, they'll actually make more of a profit than they currently
do.
Because at the moment windows and office is the most pirated
software worldwide and if it's cheeper more people will buy it. If
you think about it most people pirate software because they can't
afford it so imagine how many more will buy windows if it was like
$40 or $50, just look at Apple's Lion OS, the upgrade cost people
$30 for 10 machines assentially $3 per computer.

On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos<bigboy529@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other
assistive devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford
jaws then use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up
there with jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software
which I can access better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else
somebody mentioned, does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in
the US? If I understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay
about the equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like
jaws we pay about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get
government bersaries for assistive devices but can claim assistive
devices back from the government through income tax but you must
still have the cash to fork out and then wait a year or more before
you
can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo<jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I
put on the table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I
wrote in my last e-mail leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a
part of your reality. I promise you do not respond any future
e-mail regarding that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits, tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things
equal. I'm surprised anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind
of thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price
of $1000 for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without
buying a cracked or illegal copy would be to have it purchased for
us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo"<jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To:
The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64
Bit Win 7 yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this
stuff is so out of reach for many. because of slimy people like
this guy who wants short cuts instead of doing things the correct
way. thanks pal to all of you who try similar things it's
really apppreciated by those of us who try to do things the
honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Dave...
 

Yes, let's note that FS does have an altruistic side, even if it doesn't
mean giving away everything for free and going out of business.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 15:42
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


hi wogg
,
a while back was in a class and a friend got sponsored a laptop and
as such applied to Fs for jaws. he got a version of it. i give them
credit for that.

On 2/7/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
Eric,

That is very interesting. So you say they do provide the software to
people in developing countries? Can you give us details?

Interested in this


On 2/6/12, Eric Ngondi <eric.ngondi@gmail.com> wrote:
hi list,
been folowing the debate all the way here in kenya. trueth be told
the product ids damn expensive . if it can be cheaper the better.
but pirating is not my thing.
karenn or any other member , i dont mind if i could have copy of
retired jaws versions. a friend of mine got a copy of jaws 11 from
FS for free a while back , thus not as evil as people think. hope to
get mine soon,God willing.. . 40 nim up, have to go.

On 2/7/12, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
You sure as the dickens couldn't tell the difference on price, or
contracts. GWMicro is no poor relation!

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:41 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Gerald, this is unfounded speculation. The evidence suggests it is also
wrong. FS and GWM have been in litigation in the past. Also, they claim
to aim for different primary markets. JAWS is targeted at government
agencies and other large organizations, while WindowEyes appears to be
marketed more to individuals. Obviously, there is much crossover, but
the primary customer bases are different. There's no need for collusion,
even if both companies were willing.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Well, FS does have competition from GW Micro's Window Eyes. Yet, the
price of both JAWS and Window Eyes remains high. Why? I suspect that
both companies have conspired to fix prices at arbitrarily high levels.
But because they are relatively small, they have managed to avoid the
scrutiny of the FTC.

Gerald


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From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


It may cost them less than that. I think the product is overpriced,
and I highly object to charging for skipped upgrades or SMA's where no
support was ever offered for those versions. If that business model
works, they should be increasing the product cost of each new version
to make new customers pay for versions they never owned, right?

The problem with the system is there is no real competition on par
with JAWS and there probably won't be for a long time. Even a great
new p roduct would take forever to gain enough market share that it is
a viable replacement in the workplace.

If the Coke company wants to start charging $20 for a can of Coke,
they can do that, but as long as there is Pepsi and the odd RC Cola
(or
whatever) Coke would loose a lot of money in the process of jacking up
their prices. That applies to most everything we buy. Cell phones got
much cheaper in recent years because (in part) there has been
competition in the marketplace. When you have no competition, you can
pretty well set pricing at will. Make no mistake about it, Freedom
Scientific is not a non-proffit organization.

Freedom could absolutely use some competition, at least from the
consumers' standpoint. It drives pricing down and product quality up.
That however doesn't mean that if Cokes (my personal favorite) go up
to $20 apiece I can justify stealing them because I think they are
overpriced.
That's where it all breaks down for me.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:50 AM, cecropia64 wrote:

unfortunately, nobody said that greed doesn't have a whole lot to do
with all this, because it certainly does. also, do you really think
jaws costs a thousand bucks? i'll bet it costs freedome about a
hundred and fifty to twwo hundred to actually produce, if that. oh
well, looks like there isn't one answer that fits all.

On 2/4/2012 11:33 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote:
Just one thing else for interest sake now that you mention steeling
from software companies pockets. I know this is getting off topic
but end of last year sometime I read a study, they actually said if
Microsoft considerably drop their software prices for windows and
office, they'll actually make more of a profit than they currently
do.
Because at the moment windows and office is the most pirated
software worldwide and if it's cheeper more people will buy it. If
you think about it most people pirate software because they can't
afford it so imagine how many more will buy windows if it was like
$40 or $50, just look at Apple's Lion OS, the upgrade cost people
$30 for 10 machines assentially $3 per computer.

On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos<bigboy529@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other
assistive devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford
jaws then use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up
there with jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software
which I can access better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else
somebody mentioned, does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in
the US? If I understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay
about the equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like
jaws we pay about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get
government bersaries for assistive devices but can claim assistive
devices back from the government through income tax but you must
still have the cash to fork out and then wait a year or more before
you
can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo<jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I
put on the table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I
wrote in my last e-mail leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a
part of your reality. I promise you do not respond any future
e-mail regarding that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits, tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things
equal. I'm surprised anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind
of thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price
of $1000 for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without
buying a cracked or illegal copy would be to have it purchased for
us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To:
The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64
Bit Win 7 yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this
stuff is so out of reach for many. because of slimy people like
this guy who wants short cuts instead of doing things the correct
way. thanks pal to all of you who try similar things it's
really apppreciated by those of us who try to do things the
honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Where in the world are you?

Dave...
 

George,

Haven't you figured out by now that this list has been hijacked? It's no
longer under any controls. The Wogg has joined again and like the last time,
caused a ruckus.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "George B" <gbmagoo@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 15:19
Subject: RE: Where in the world are you?


and what does t his have to do with jaws

-----Original Message-----
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jdh.com] On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 15:02
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

At 05:49 PM 2/6/2012, you wrote:
A place Where Androids Dream of Electric Sheep!!!
Shoot, i'm trying for the life of me to place that quote... *LOL*

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Eric Ngondi
 

hi wogg
,
a while back was in a class and a friend got sponsored a laptop and
as such applied to Fs for jaws. he got a version of it. i give them
credit for that.

On 2/7/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
Eric,

That is very interesting. So you say they do provide the software to
people in developing countries? Can you give us details?

Interested in this


On 2/6/12, Eric Ngondi <eric.ngondi@gmail.com> wrote:
hi list,
been folowing the debate all the way here in kenya. trueth be told
the product ids damn expensive . if it can be cheaper the better.
but pirating is not my thing.
karenn or any other member , i dont mind if i could have copy of
retired jaws versions. a friend of mine got a copy of jaws 11 from
FS for free a while back , thus not as evil as people think. hope to
get mine soon,God willing.. . 40 nim up, have to go.

On 2/7/12, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
You sure as the dickens couldn't tell the difference on price, or
contracts. GWMicro is no poor relation!

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:41 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Gerald, this is unfounded speculation. The evidence suggests it is also
wrong. FS and GWM have been in litigation in the past. Also, they claim
to aim for different primary markets. JAWS is targeted at government
agencies and other large organizations, while WindowEyes appears to be
marketed more to individuals. Obviously, there is much crossover, but
the primary customer bases are different. There's no need for collusion,
even if both companies were willing.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Well, FS does have competition from GW Micro's Window Eyes. Yet, the
price of both JAWS and Window Eyes remains high. Why? I suspect that
both companies have conspired to fix prices at arbitrarily high levels.
But because they are relatively small, they have managed to avoid the
scrutiny of the FTC.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


It may cost them less than that. I think the product is overpriced,
and I highly object to charging for skipped upgrades or SMA's where no
support was ever offered for those versions. If that business model
works, they should be increasing the product cost of each new version
to make new customers pay for versions they never owned, right?

The problem with the system is there is no real competition on par
with JAWS and there probably won't be for a long time. Even a great
new p roduct would take forever to gain enough market share that it is
a viable replacement in the workplace.

If the Coke company wants to start charging $20 for a can of Coke,
they can do that, but as long as there is Pepsi and the odd RC Cola
(or
whatever) Coke would loose a lot of money in the process of jacking up
their prices. That applies to most everything we buy. Cell phones got
much cheaper in recent years because (in part) there has been
competition in the marketplace. When you have no competition, you can
pretty well set pricing at will. Make no mistake about it, Freedom
Scientific is not a non-proffit organization.

Freedom could absolutely use some competition, at least from the
consumers' standpoint. It drives pricing down and product quality up.
That however doesn't mean that if Cokes (my personal favorite) go up
to $20 apiece I can justify stealing them because I think they are
overpriced.
That's where it all breaks down for me.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:50 AM, cecropia64 wrote:

unfortunately, nobody said that greed doesn't have a whole lot to do
with all this, because it certainly does. also, do you really think
jaws costs a thousand bucks? i'll bet it costs freedome about a
hundred and fifty to twwo hundred to actually produce, if that. oh
well, looks like there isn't one answer that fits all.

On 2/4/2012 11:33 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote:
Just one thing else for interest sake now that you mention steeling
from software companies pockets. I know this is getting off topic
but end of last year sometime I read a study, they actually said if
Microsoft considerably drop their software prices for windows and
office, they'll actually make more of a profit than they currently
do.
Because at the moment windows and office is the most pirated
software worldwide and if it's cheeper more people will buy it. If
you think about it most people pirate software because they can't
afford it so imagine how many more will buy windows if it was like
$40 or $50, just look at Apple's Lion OS, the upgrade cost people
$30 for 10 machines assentially $3 per computer.

On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos<bigboy529@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other
assistive devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford
jaws then use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up
there with jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software
which I can access better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else
somebody mentioned, does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in
the US? If I understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay
about the equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like
jaws we pay about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get
government bersaries for assistive devices but can claim assistive
devices back from the government through income tax but you must
still have the cash to fork out and then wait a year or more before
you
can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo<jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I
put on the table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I
wrote in my last e-mail leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a
part of your reality. I promise you do not respond any future
e-mail regarding that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits, tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things
equal. I'm surprised anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind
of thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price
of $1000 for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without
buying a cracked or illegal copy would be to have it purchased for
us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo"<jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To:
The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64
Bit Win 7 yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this
stuff is so out of reach for many. because of slimy people like
this guy who wants short cuts instead of doing things the correct
way. thanks pal to all of you who try similar things it's
really apppreciated by those of us who try to do things the
honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the- jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: Where in the world are you?

George B
 

and what does t his have to do with jaws

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 15:02
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

At 05:49 PM 2/6/2012, you wrote:
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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

wogg le4 <woggle4@...>
 

Eric,

That is very interesting. So you say they do provide the software to
people in developing countries? Can you give us details?

Interested in this

On 2/6/12, Eric Ngondi <eric.ngondi@gmail.com> wrote:
hi list,
been folowing the debate all the way here in kenya. trueth be told
the product ids damn expensive . if it can be cheaper the better.
but pirating is not my thing.
karenn or any other member , i dont mind if i could have copy of
retired jaws versions. a friend of mine got a copy of jaws 11 from
FS for free a while back , thus not as evil as people think. hope to
get mine soon,God willing.. . 40 nim up, have to go.

On 2/7/12, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
You sure as the dickens couldn't tell the difference on price, or
contracts. GWMicro is no poor relation!

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:41 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Gerald, this is unfounded speculation. The evidence suggests it is also
wrong. FS and GWM have been in litigation in the past. Also, they claim
to aim for different primary markets. JAWS is targeted at government
agencies and other large organizations, while WindowEyes appears to be
marketed more to individuals. Obviously, there is much crossover, but
the primary customer bases are different. There's no need for collusion,
even if both companies were willing.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Well, FS does have competition from GW Micro's Window Eyes. Yet, the
price of both JAWS and Window Eyes remains high. Why? I suspect that
both companies have conspired to fix prices at arbitrarily high levels.
But because they are relatively small, they have managed to avoid the
scrutiny of the FTC.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


It may cost them less than that. I think the product is overpriced,
and I highly object to charging for skipped upgrades or SMA's where no
support was ever offered for those versions. If that business model
works, they should be increasing the product cost of each new version
to make new customers pay for versions they never owned, right?

The problem with the system is there is no real competition on par
with JAWS and there probably won't be for a long time. Even a great
new p roduct would take forever to gain enough market share that it is
a viable replacement in the workplace.

If the Coke company wants to start charging $20 for a can of Coke,
they can do that, but as long as there is Pepsi and the odd RC Cola
(or
whatever) Coke would loose a lot of money in the process of jacking up
their prices. That applies to most everything we buy. Cell phones got
much cheaper in recent years because (in part) there has been
competition in the marketplace. When you have no competition, you can
pretty well set pricing at will. Make no mistake about it, Freedom
Scientific is not a non-proffit organization.

Freedom could absolutely use some competition, at least from the
consumers' standpoint. It drives pricing down and product quality up.
That however doesn't mean that if Cokes (my personal favorite) go up
to $20 apiece I can justify stealing them because I think they are
overpriced.
That's where it all breaks down for me.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:50 AM, cecropia64 wrote:

unfortunately, nobody said that greed doesn't have a whole lot to do
with all this, because it certainly does. also, do you really think
jaws costs a thousand bucks? i'll bet it costs freedome about a
hundred and fifty to twwo hundred to actually produce, if that. oh
well, looks like there isn't one answer that fits all.

On 2/4/2012 11:33 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote:
Just one thing else for interest sake now that you mention steeling
from software companies pockets. I know this is getting off topic
but end of last year sometime I read a study, they actually said if
Microsoft considerably drop their software prices for windows and
office, they'll actually make more of a profit than they currently
do.
Because at the moment windows and office is the most pirated
software worldwide and if it's cheeper more people will buy it. If
you think about it most people pirate software because they can't
afford it so imagine how many more will buy windows if it was like
$40 or $50, just look at Apple's Lion OS, the upgrade cost people
$30 for 10 machines assentially $3 per computer.

On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos<bigboy529@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other
assistive devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford
jaws then use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up
there with jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software
which I can access better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else
somebody mentioned, does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in
the US? If I understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay
about the equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like
jaws we pay about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get
government bersaries for assistive devices but can claim assistive
devices back from the government through income tax but you must
still have the cash to fork out and then wait a year or more before
you
can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo<jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I
put on the table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I
wrote in my last e-mail leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a
part of your reality. I promise you do not respond any future
e-mail regarding that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits, tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things
equal. I'm surprised anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind
of thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price
of $1000 for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without
buying a cracked or illegal copy would be to have it purchased for
us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo"<jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To:
The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64
Bit Win 7 yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this
stuff is so out of reach for many. because of slimy people like
this guy who wants short cuts instead of doing things the correct
way. thanks pal to all of you who try similar things it's
really apppreciated by those of us who try to do things the
honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the- jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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burning CD

Holger Fiallo <holgerfiallo@...>
 

Does anyone knows how to burn CD with media player using jaws 13? Window home 64. Used window home 32 and could burned CD without no problem. Can not use the same way with window home 64. Help.

Holger Fiallo
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Re: please unsubscribe me. Thanks.

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Thank you.
Colleen If you are lucky enough to be Irish, you are lucky enough!

On 2/6/2012 3:42 PM, Kimsan wrote:
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Re: Where in the world are you?

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At 05:49 PM 2/6/2012, you wrote:
A place Where Androids Dream of Electric Sheep!!!
Shoot, i'm trying for the life of me to place that quote... *LOL*

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