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moderated Re: Not able to read Kindle book

Steve Matzura
 

I've been noticing this for quite some time and thought I was the one doing something wrong.


On 9/7/2020 8:26 PM, Ralph Supernaw via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

 

I am trying for the first time in quite a while to read a Kindle book on my Windows PC.  When I opened Kindle it updated.  I was able to download the book to my PC and open it.  However, Jaws does not read any of the book text.  OCR (insert + spacebar, O, W works so and know that the text is there.

 

Any Ideas?

 

Thanks.



moderated Re: Moving Between Se`ctions in a Word Document

Dani Pagador
 

Awesome, Mike. Thanks so much, and please thank both Brian and Brad for me.

More Later,
Dani

On 9/7/20, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:
Okay, yet another reply:
From: Brian Lee
One thing you can do is use either function key 5 or CTRL with G, type in
the letter S followed by the section number you want to go to and then press

enter key. If you use the letter S followed by a plus or minus sign
followed by a number you will move by the number of sections you specified.

For example, if you are in section 2 and you press F5 and type in S+3, when

you press enter key you will be at the beginning of section 5. If you are
in section 5 and you type S followed by a minus and the number 2 you will be

taken to the beginning of section 3 when you press enter key.



Take care.



Brian Lee

brianllee@charter.net




Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Dani Pagador
To: main
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2020 5:44 PM
Subject: Moving Between Se`ctions in a Word Document


Hi, Everyone.
Using JFW2018 and Word2016 with Win10. I have a large document with
multiple sections that I need to look through. When I do an Ins+F1 JFW
tells me what section I'm on and describes its margins; it also tells
me how many sections my document has. But it seems there is no
keystroke to move between sections. Is that right?

Thanks,
Dani






moderated Re: Moving Between Se`ctions in a Word Document

Mike B
 


Okay, yet another reply:
From: Brian Lee

One thing you can do is use either function key 5 or CTRL with G, type in the letter S followed by the section number you want to go to and then press enter key.  If you use the letter S followed by a plus or minus sign followed by a number you will move by the number of sections you specified.  For example, if you are in section 2 and you press F5 and type in S+3, when you press enter key you will be at the beginning of section 5.  If you are in section 5 and you type S followed by a minus and the number 2 you will be taken to the beginning of section 3 when you press enter key. 

 

Take care.

 

Brian Lee

brianllee@...

 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
To: main
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2020 5:44 PM
Subject: Moving Between Se`ctions in a Word Document

Hi, Everyone.
Using JFW2018 and Word2016 with Win10. I have a large document with
multiple sections that I need to look through. When I do an Ins+F1 JFW
tells me what section I'm on and describes its margins; it also tells
me how many sections my document has. But it seems there is no
keystroke to move between sections. Is that right?

Thanks,
Dani



moderated Re: Moving Between Se`ctions in a Word Document

Mike B
 


Hi again Dani,
 
I posted your question to another list and here's a reply:
You can do this by using the “Go To” utility in MS Word.
Open the Go To dialog using CTRL + G..
Beware that the Go To utility is a floating dialog, that remains open while in use.  You will need to use CTRL + Tab, to move between the dialog and the document.  When finished using the Go To utility, return focus to the Go To utility, and close it using CTRL + F4.

HTH.

- Brad -

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
To: main
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2020 5:44 PM
Subject: Moving Between Se`ctions in a Word Document

Hi, Everyone.
Using JFW2018 and Word2016 with Win10. I have a large document with
multiple sections that I need to look through. When I do an Ins+F1 JFW
tells me what section I'm on and describes its margins; it also tells
me how many sections my document has. But it seems there is no
keystroke to move between sections. Is that right?

Thanks,
Dani



moderated Re: List containing 1 items annoying me.

Andrew Law
 

Like I said, the check box for list is not checked, it makes no difference because this is not the problem.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, 7 September 2020 8:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List containing 1 items annoying me.

 

I just went through the entire process, which is slightly different from the instructions I copied. I unchecked the “list” checkbox. Did you find the apply button? Then there’s a second OK button. I closed settings, closed Chrome, reopened Chrome, reopened settings, and the “list” checkbox remained unchecked.

 

I’m using the latest release of JAWS 2020, Windows 10-1909 and the latest version of Chrome.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Law
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 12:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List containing 1 items annoying me.

 

Hi Adrian, this is new and not in the settings, I have gone through every setting in JAWS, including the ones you mentioned. Everything in the list is turned off, and all verbosity levels are set to the lowest.

If I install a version prior to June it goes away, and as soon as I update it comes back.

This is to do with the aria group names change that was made. I assume if the webpage developer created a group of elements on the page but then didn’t give it a unique name, the name defaults to “list with 1 items”, etc.

I use a CRM for work and the groups are named correctly, and it has caused these to be read out, when they weren’t before. I can do without them though and still work effectively, which is why I want FS to give us the option to turn it off.

 

 

Andrew Law

ACATS Trainer

Blind Low Vision NZ

 

P: 079296210 ext: 5310 | M: +64278084124 | E: alaw@...

 

160 Seventeenth Avenue, Tauranga South

Tauranga 3112

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, 7 September 2020 3:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List containing 1 items annoying me.

 

Andrew,

This is not a new feature. It sounds as though the latest update change your existing settings. So:

I haven’t gone through the following process just now except for the first few steps, but here are instructions that should still work:

Open JAWS settings with JAWS key+6 on the number row above the letters. If you want the change to affect only one application, be sure focus is in that application. Otherwise, press shift-control-d for it to affect all programs.

Type v e r in the search box and verbosity will appear.

One of the results that comes up is configure web verbosity. On my system, it’s the first of eight.

Note: this is different from JAWS’ speech verbosity.

Cycle through the options with the spacebar.

Press f6. The current level is verbalized right away.

Tabbing once initiates “Set Web verbosity levels.” The first button is labeled “High.” Tab again to medium and then again to low.

Press spacebar on the button of your choice.

After pressing the button you select, a tree view of checkboxes appears.

Arrow down to “List” and pressed spacebar to uncheck it.

Note: You may wish to look at the other items in this tree view in case you want to disable, or in some cases enable, more options.

Tab twice to Okay and press spacebar.

Be sure to save before closing the dialog. Control-s should do it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Law
Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 10:48 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: List containing 1 items annoying me.

 

Hi everyone, since the June update, which introduced an update to JAWS reading Aria group names, JAWS now keeps reading “list containing 1 items” or “list containing 3 items”. It is announcing this before many elements on a webpage when tabbing through.

I have contacted FS to request they fix this, I cant believe they introduced a feature that added speech without also adding a setting in the settings center to turn it off.

If this is annoying anyone else can they please also email Freedom Scientific, the more people that complain the higher on the list it will go. I have installed a version I had downloaded from November last year, just so I don’t have to hear it all the time.

 

 

Andrew Law

ACATS Trainer

Blind Low Vision NZ

 

P: 079296210 ext: 5310 | M: +64278084124 | E: alaw@...

 

160 Seventeenth Avenue, Tauranga South

Tauranga 3112

 

Our Vision, Your Future: Read our Strategic Plan 2020-2024

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moderated Re: Moving Between Sections in a Word Document

Adrian Spratt
 

Two thoughts.

First, the symbol marking a new section is ^k. Type these two characters into an MS Word search ()control-f), not a JAWS search (JAWS key-control-f) and press enter. You should be taken to the beginning of a new section. For the record, I haven't tried it because I don't divide documents this way.

Second, there may be another symbol to use when you go into quick navigation mode with JAWS key-z. In this mode, pressing h will take you to the next heading, etc. I haven't looked into whether there's such a symbol for sections.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dani Pagador
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 8:45 PM
To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Moving Between Se`ctions in a Word Document

Hi, Everyone.
Using JFW2018 and Word2016 with Win10. I have a large document with multiple sections that I need to look through. When I do an Ins+F1 JFW tells me what section I'm on and describes its margins; it also tells me how many sections my document has. But it seems there is no keystroke to move between sections. Is that right?

Thanks,
Dani


moderated Re: jaws 2021 public beta

Larry Gassman <larrygassman@...>
 

No, it is not.

Read this thread of messages for more information.

Larry

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Afik Souffir
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 9:38 AM
To: jfw-users@groups.io; main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 2021 public beta

 

 

Hi, just a question

 

The public beta of 2021 is out?

 

 

Afik.

 


moderated jaws 2021 public beta

Afik Souffir
 

 

Hi, just a question

 

The public beta of 2021 is out?

 

 

Afik.

 


moderated Re: Question About accessible web pages

Richard Turner
 

If they have a phone number, I'd call them and inform them that they have created an inaccessible site by trying to use the screen reader detection.
Before I clicked on the button that said to use it in accessibility mode hit the first button.
After that, even after deleting cookies it is still loading the page.





Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 7, 2020, at 6:18 PM, clarence carter via groups.io <clcarter@...> wrote:



I have run into a problem with a web page. It is set up to change the page formatting when it detects a screen reader.

 

What happens is that the screen reader will read the page as normal until you try to move to another spot on the page. Then, the page says page downloading. I have added the web page below. If anybody has a way around this I would appreciate your help.

 

https://www.pipesandcigars.com/


moderated Re: Moving Between Se`ctions in a Word Document

Mike B
 


Hi Dani,
 
I'm not a big Word user, but I do read and have saved a lot of Word notes and I can't find a note on, or about navigating by Section.  While in a Word DOCX try pressing either, Insert + H  or,  Insert + W, for a bunch of keystrokes.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
To: main
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2020 5:44 PM
Subject: Moving Between Se`ctions in a Word Document

Hi, Everyone.
Using JFW2018 and Word2016 with Win10. I have a large document with
multiple sections that I need to look through. When I do an Ins+F1 JFW
tells me what section I'm on and describes its margins; it also tells
me how many sections my document has. But it seems there is no
keystroke to move between sections. Is that right?

Thanks,
Dani



moderated Question About accessible web pages

clarence carter
 

I have run into a problem with a web page. It is set up to change the page formatting when it detects a screen reader.

 

What happens is that the screen reader will read the page as normal until you try to move to another spot on the page. Then, the page says page downloading. I have added the web page below. If anybody has a way around this I would appreciate your help.

 

https://www.pipesandcigars.com/


moderated Moving Between Se`ctions in a Word Document

Dani Pagador
 

Hi, Everyone.
Using JFW2018 and Word2016 with Win10. I have a large document with
multiple sections that I need to look through. When I do an Ins+F1 JFW
tells me what section I'm on and describes its margins; it also tells
me how many sections my document has. But it seems there is no
keystroke to move between sections. Is that right?

Thanks,
Dani


moderated Not able to read Kindle book

Ralph Supernaw
 

Hi,

 

I am trying for the first time in quite a while to read a Kindle book on my Windows PC.  When I opened Kindle it updated.  I was able to download the book to my PC and open it.  However, Jaws does not read any of the book text.  OCR (insert + spacebar, O, W works so and know that the text is there.

 

Any Ideas?

 

Thanks.


moderated Re: [jfw-users] jaws 2021 public beta

Larry Gassman <larrygassman@...>
 

True the official release is in late October, but the two or three beta versions will take place in early September and in to October. My guess is that unless we run in to any show-stoppers on the beta team that you could see it as early as maybe later this week.

We’ll see.

Larry

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [jfw-users] jaws 2021 public beta

 

Lino, Try and be patient.  If I remember correctly the official version of 2021 will be released Oct. 10.  I could be wrong though.  I just know it is sometime in Oct. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: September 7, 2020 1:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [jfw-users] jaws 2021 public beta

 

On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 03:47 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

if the public beta is out why don't I see it on the FS website?

-
The very first message in this topic clearly states, "It is not out yet, but will be soon."
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: [jfw-users] jaws 2021 public beta

Randy Barnett
 

It is from the first time you run Jaws then after 40 minutes you need to reboot. Not from the first time your machine is turned on. Your machine could be on for a year and jaws will run for 40 minutes if it is the first time you used it in that year.

On 9/7/2020 11:12 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Thanks for the info.   I may end up snagging it when it comes out.

I don't use JAWS myself, but I do occasionally tutor for it, or need to check something out in it, and the 40-minute mode is the bane of my existence.  It's not the 40 minute limitation, as I never take anywhere close to that to figure something out, but that it's not timed from whenever you might happen to want to invoke JAWS, but from when the system was started up (which I think is insanely stupid).  It's not rocket science to set this up such that "now" is recorded in a file, and you get 40 minutes from "now" and cannot get another 40 minutes unless you have rebooted or some period of time from "the last now" has passed.

For those of us who leave our machines up  and running 24/7 for extended periods of time, and who keep lots of work up and running, too, having to reboot to get a "quick check" of something from JAWS is maddening.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: [jfw-users] jaws 2021 public beta

David Diamond
 

Lino, Try and be patient.  If I remember correctly the official version of 2021 will be released Oct. 10.  I could be wrong though.  I just know it is sometime in Oct. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: September 7, 2020 1:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [jfw-users] jaws 2021 public beta

 

On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 03:47 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

if the public beta is out why don't I see it on the FS website?

-
The very first message in this topic clearly states, "It is not out yet, but will be soon."
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: [jfw-users] jaws 2021 public beta

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

OK I believe Google ate it and put said message in the spam folder. Thanks. I figured it wasn't out yet.

On 9/7/2020 4:02 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 03:47 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
if the public beta is out why don't I see it on the FS website?
-
The very first message in this topic clearly states, "It is not out yet, but will be soon."
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: [jfw-users] jaws 2021 public beta

 

On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 03:47 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
if the public beta is out why don't I see it on the FS website?
-
The very first message in this topic clearly states, "It is not out yet, but will be soon."
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: [jfw-users] jaws 2021 public beta

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Hi. if the public beta is out why don't I see it on the FS website? Where is it?

On 9/7/2020 3:01 PM, Michael Munn wrote:
Thank you Larry for the notification.


moderated Re: [jfw-users] jaws 2021 public beta

Michael Munn
 

Thank you Larry for the notification.

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