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Re: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

epierce@...
 

If you were a college student that depended on JAWS 13 to provide access to SPSS in order to get your class assignments done, and thereby get a decent grade so as to not lose your financial aid (and ability to complete degree requirements), you would probably not be able to "relax".

When access compliance is added to the already complex process of planning for upgrades in large education settings (typically done during summer), lies/distortions from marketing people are not of much use, and would not be any reason to "relax".

---- Original message ----
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 17:27:38 -0400
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>)
Subject: RE: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

Hello folks;

I think we all should relax,

What you should think about is:


CSUN was in late February and JAWS build 852 was released April 25th so I
would suggest it's either an urban legend or that tech should be looking for
a new job. <smile>
...


Re: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello folks;

I think we all should relax,

What you should think about is:


CSUN was in late February and JAWS build 852 was released April 25th so I
would suggest it's either an urban legend or that tech should be looking for
a new job. <smile>

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:59 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

To repeat:

In an education setting, the access compliance process includes a review of
the exposure to liability that the institution might have if an access
product fails to work for a significant number of visually impaired students
with an important application.

In other words, if JAWS does not work for students using SPSS, the
institution begins to get worried that it might get sued by those students
for not providing "reasonable accommodations".

!!!HTH!!!

---- Original message ----
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 12:34:04 -0400
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of cecropia64
<cecropia64@att.net>)
Subject: Re: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

THIS IS SO TRUE. I GUESS IT'S JUST EASIER TO COMPLAIN WHEN ONE GETS
FRUSTRATED. I GUESS ALL WE REALLY CAN DO IS WAIT AND SEE. THE REST IS
KIND OF OUT OF OUR HANDS, NOW ISN'T IT?

On 5/9/2012 9:06 PM, Cristobal wrote:
Relax people. You're going off of something relayed from someone who
heard
it from someone that may have just been throwing stuff out there in a
flippant manner. No need to get all worked up over hearsay and gossip
that
happened at a convention where a lot of shop talk is tossed around.
And to think that FS or any company is going to pull a "My bad." And say
"Yeah, that last release was really bad so we're just going to give you a
freebee worth the equivalent of x y or z." is not dealing with reality.
...


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Re: jaws 13

epierce@...
 

I suppose it is inevitable, but sad, that corporate marketing people do not even realize that they spend most of their time being liars.

---- Original message ----
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 15:16:57 -0300
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>)
Subject: jaws 13
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

For your information.


From: Bryan Carver
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:05 PM
To: jpculasso@gmail.com
Subject: RE: Jaws 13.

Hi Juan,

Thank you for your e-mail and opportunity to speak to unfounded reports. We
have stayed committed to correcting issues that are reported to us in JAWS
13. it is a very solid release, and can assure you that me and my whole
staff use it on a daily basis to do our jobs, as well as personally at home
for banking, shopping and many other tasks. We just recently put out an
update for 13, and are working on one for May. We will of course be working
towards JAWS 14 due out later this year as well. If you are experiencing
specific issues with JAWS 13, please do contact our support team for
assistance.



Best Regards,



Bryan Carver

Director of Technical Support


Re: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

epierce@...
 

To repeat:

In an education setting, the access compliance process includes a review of the exposure to liability that the institution might have if an access product fails to work for a significant number of visually impaired students with an important application.

In other words, if JAWS does not work for students using SPSS, the institution begins to get worried that it might get sued by those students for not providing "reasonable accommodations".

!!!HTH!!!

---- Original message ----
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 12:34:04 -0400
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net>)
Subject: Re: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

THIS IS SO TRUE. I GUESS IT'S JUST EASIER TO COMPLAIN WHEN ONE GETS
FRUSTRATED. I GUESS ALL WE REALLY CAN DO IS WAIT AND SEE. THE REST IS
KIND OF OUT OF OUR HANDS, NOW ISN'T IT?

On 5/9/2012 9:06 PM, Cristobal wrote:
Relax people. You're going off of something relayed from someone who heard
it from someone that may have just been throwing stuff out there in a
flippant manner. No need to get all worked up over hearsay and gossip that
happened at a convention where a lot of shop talk is tossed around.
And to think that FS or any company is going to pull a "My bad." And say
"Yeah, that last release was really bad so we're just going to give you a
freebee worth the equivalent of x y or z." is not dealing with reality.
...


Re: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

epierce@...
 

Not sure, in the environment in question displays the following under Software Maintenance Agreement in "About JAWS":

"Authorized using a Network ILM Key"

So, I don't think license issues are in play in the specific setting where the issue came up. At this point. If NVDA continues to improve, there might be an intention to stop buying license renewals (or whatever they are called by FS).

In an education setting, the access compliance process includes a review of the exposure to liability that the institution might have if an access product fails to work for a significant number of visually impaired students with a important application.

In other words, if JAWS does not work for students using SPSS, the institution begins to get worried that it might get sued by those students for not providing "reasonable accommodations".

---- Original message ----
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:51:54 -0700
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "George B" <gbmagoo@comcast.net>)
Subject: RE: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

Well then they should give us a credit for the s m a that was used on 13
...


Re: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

epierce@...
 

fwiw ~ major institutional decisions about accessibility product are being driven by the CSUN information. by people that only deal with access compliance issues.

it is sad that there is no independent testing group for access products that does detailed analysis of such products.

even though hundreds (thousands?) of universities, colleges, schools, agencies, corporations and businesses are spending huge amounts of money on access compliance - purchasing substandard products that distort the market and limit competition.

nanny state incoherence.

---- Original message ----
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:06:50 -0700
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "Cristobal" <crismunoz54@gmail.com>)
Subject: RE: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

Relax people. You're going off of something relayed from someone who heard
it from someone that may have just been throwing stuff out there in a
flippant manner. No need to get all worked up over hearsay and gossip that
happened at a convention where a lot of shop talk is tossed around.
And to think that FS or any company is going to pull a "My bad." And say
"Yeah, that last release was really bad so we're just going to give you a
freebee worth the equivalent of x y or z." is not dealing with reality.

FS has already put out a JFW 13 update since CSUN that apparently caused
major issues for some, but did address other problems. We've probably got
four or so months before they start putting out the betas for Jaws 14.
Whether or not they release another 13 update till then is information most
likely none of us on these lists know or are not privilaged to discuss
openly anyway.

It wasn't that long ago that there weren't even updates between major
releases but for a few exceptions.
...


Re: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

epierce@...
 

The context was significant problems with JAWS 13 and SPSS (college student labs).

My early testing indicates that JAWS 13 works better with Word and Outlook 2010 than JAWS 10, 11 or 12. (software token from a JAWS license server)

I had to get permission to install and test JAWS 13, the official word is that everyone should wait for JAWS 14, due to the SPSS issue.

(NVDA will become the standard screen reader as soon as it is capable of supporting use in student labs.)

---- Original message ----
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 10:08:09 -0400
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>)
Subject: RE: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

This is amazing. I guess it depends upon the apps you run, or maybe the
hardware on which you runt them. I sang the blues about 11 and 12
throughout their tenure, but have had a positive user experience with 13
ever since its introduction--just what the doc ordered.


Word Document With Links, Can I separate text from links?

wogg le4 <woggle4@...>
 

Hi all, so I have a document. There are links, which I have labelled.
However, I now find out that I need to put the labels in as text and
the links underneath on their own.
Can I do this quickly, without messing around with each individual link?


Re: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKARedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

wogg le4 <woggle4@...>
 

Hi this is useful!
I want to use worksite compare both because its what our firm uses and
because Other people will send in red lined docs, which I will have to
review.
I will make a couple to play around with myself first.
Regarding headers and footers, your menu choice was correct. I knew
about that one. However, I want to get them read to me page by page.

Essentially, what I'm looking for are the settings that will give me a
reading experience as close to a sighted person looking at a document
as possible. However close that is.

So, if the indents are wrong, I'd like to know that, if the
headers/footers are sneakily changed by the other side, I'd definitely
like to know that, if the fonts or numbering is changing, I really
need that too.
Colour will be on in reading from now on.

Suggestions re settings would be great.

Ger

On 5/10/12, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
WE used to use that here at work, and I used 2000 for years. I think I
remember seeing that option, but never used it. For that matter, I know
I remember "normal," and it's not there anymore either. Perhaps "draft"
is the new normal.

Ted

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents
AKARedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

I was responding to someone, I thought, who was using Word 2003. As a
test, I just fired up Word 2003.
Alt plus V followed by down arrow brings up lots of view choices,
including headers/footers. To make things faster, Alt plus V followed
by H will jump right into the headers/footers. Then, arrow through
them, making whatever edits. Remember, edits on the first page footer
will carry forward by default (though you can modify this).
So, I was talking about a Word command and, at that, a Word 2003
command.
Again, just to examine the footer, or have JAWS read it, press Insert
plus F-1. The header/footer information is read right before the
margins.
This insert plus F-1 is a very useful key and should be tried before
diving into any Word document. It will identify, in addition to the
items referenced above, sections, tables, graphics, and so on.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS
DMS)
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:29 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
RedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

What's this Alt-V business? My View tab has no header-footer option.
As for JAWS, Alt-V brings up the main JAWS menu.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:14 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
RedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Workshare is extremely popular as a document comparison tool. In the
early days of MS Word, it was arguably more reliable than the built-in
Word Legal Blackline feature.
I don't think that is the case any more. I actually prefer Word's
built-in Legal Blackline. When it compares two documents the comparison
document is essentially a track change document, and you can use all the
JAWS features for track changes with it. So that is convenient.
For Workshare, the client server version used to have a "next revision"
and a "previous revision" feature.
We now use a Web version, and it doesn't have that feature anymore.
So, I always import the comparison document into Word.
Workshare uses styles. So, there is a deletion style, an addition
style, and so on.
Although it depends on the document, sometimes it is easier to review
the revisions with JAWS style reading turned on.
When JAWS encounters these styles, they are announced so that you know
exactly where the deletion or addition begins and ends. Turning on
"colors" also helps.
Within Workshare itself, in addition to using change numbers, you can
also add delimiters.
Here is what I mean. You can force deleted text, for example, to appear
within braces {} and added text within lesser than and greater than
symbols <>.
Sometimes that helps, but if the document has been heavily modified, all
those symbols can create clutter.
I cannot remember what they are called, but the configuration files can
be named and saved. Then, you can use the one that best fits the
situation The best trick, however, is to use the change numbers and
then, in Word, search for the change number style.
JAWS can be set to read headers and footers. The best way, and if you
want to edit them, is to go to View (Alt plus v) and follow that with
"h" for headers/footers.
To get out of headers/footers, just go back to NORMAL View with alt plus
V and down arrow to "Normal" and hit enter.
Also, if you just want a quick read of what is in the header and footer,
press insert plus F-1 inside the Word document. JAWS will read a bunch
of document attributes, including headers and footers.
Hope this is moderately useful.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
Red Lining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Hi Ed and Jeane, these are really helpful tips!

Ed, any other tips for using work share?
At the moment, I'm quite new to the environment, so I have a few
questions about one thing and another.

Opening files from the search feature or the recent documents feature
within outlook is a problem. They open eventually but it takes quite a
bit of time.
I don't think anyone else is having this problem but they use cytrix
terminals.

I wondered if this could be a jaws issue?

Thanks very much
W
I had thought of the find and replace point.

Ed, .
Another thing I am wondering is whether Jaws can be set to read headers
and foot

On 5/10/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@kutakrock.com> wrote:
Jean's tip will work.
Also, check to see if your comparison software will insert "change
numbers."
Here is why. You can search for deleted text using one font, but then
you have to go back for added text.
If you can insert change numbers, you can usually search for the
change number style. That way, you will land on every change,
deletions and additions.
Do the search as Jean suggested. Be sure to select more options.
Then, select format and style.
Then, pick the change number style.
It may be helpful first to check what your program calls the change
number style.
Turn on styles in the verbosity menu with insert plus v.
We use Workshare DeltaView, and the above technique is what I use.
Ps
Having the change numbers makes it easy to point out specific changes
if, for example, you are trying to describe or criticize a particular
change.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
Red Lining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Hi all,
We use a programme to compare documents called Worksite compare, also
I compare.
I want to know how best to use jaws to access the product of these
programmes?

Also, is there a quick way of searching for text with a given font
attribute e.g. colour, bolded, etc.?


On 5/9/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
Ed, that's really helpful, thanks! yes 2003 Roy. that's a great help
gerT

On 5/9/12, Roy Nickelson <roylee@visuallink.com> wrote:
to select a cell tab to it the cell will be selected.
Roy

----- Original Message -----
From: "wogg le4" <woggle4@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:17 PM
Subject: selecting in tables in microsoft word


Hi all I urgently need a way to select the entire contents of a cell
or row in a table in ms word, using jaws.
At the moment the best I can do is a word at a time.
Shift + down arrow does not select a row in a table unfortunately.
thanks very much

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jaws 13

Juan Pablo <jpculasso@...>
 

For your information.


From: Bryan Carver
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:05 PM
To: jpculasso@gmail.com
Subject: RE: Jaws 13.

Hi Juan,

Thank you for your e-mail and opportunity to speak to unfounded reports. We have stayed committed to correcting issues that are reported to us in JAWS 13. it is a very solid release, and can assure you that me and my whole staff use it on a daily basis to do our jobs, as well as personally at home for banking, shopping and many other tasks. We just recently put out an update for 13, and are working on one for May. We will of course be working towards JAWS 14 due out later this year as well. If you are experiencing specific issues with JAWS 13, please do contact our support team for assistance.



Best Regards,



Bryan Carver

Director of Technical Support








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Re: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

cecropia64
 

THIS IS SO TRUE. I GUESS IT'S JUST EASIER TO COMPLAIN WHEN ONE GETS FRUSTRATED. I GUESS ALL WE REALLY CAN DO IS WAIT AND SEE. THE REST IS KIND OF OUT OF OUR HANDS, NOW ISN'T IT?

On 5/9/2012 9:06 PM, Cristobal wrote:
Relax people. You're going off of something relayed from someone who heard
it from someone that may have just been throwing stuff out there in a
flippant manner. No need to get all worked up over hearsay and gossip that
happened at a convention where a lot of shop talk is tossed around.
And to think that FS or any company is going to pull a "My bad." And say
"Yeah, that last release was really bad so we're just going to give you a
freebee worth the equivalent of x y or z." is not dealing with reality.

FS has already put out a JFW 13 update since CSUN that apparently caused
major issues for some, but did address other problems. We've probably got
four or so months before they start putting out the betas for Jaws 14.
Whether or not they release another 13 update till then is information most
likely none of us on these lists know or are not privilaged to discuss
openly anyway.

It wasn't that long ago that there weren't even updates between major
releases but for a few exceptions.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:07 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

Why, if there not going to work on 13 anymore how can they expect to charge
us for 14?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 4:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

Only if you have a free upgrade.

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:45 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

14 should be free since their not working on 13 anymore.

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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 4:25 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

Lol, provide refunds then or make 14 a free upgrade.
Just kidding.


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Re: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKARedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

WE used to use that here at work, and I used 2000 for years. I think I
remember seeing that option, but never used it. For that matter, I know
I remember "normal," and it's not there anymore either. Perhaps "draft"
is the new normal.

Ted

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents
AKARedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

I was responding to someone, I thought, who was using Word 2003. As a
test, I just fired up Word 2003.
Alt plus V followed by down arrow brings up lots of view choices,
including headers/footers. To make things faster, Alt plus V followed
by H will jump right into the headers/footers. Then, arrow through
them, making whatever edits. Remember, edits on the first page footer
will carry forward by default (though you can modify this).
So, I was talking about a Word command and, at that, a Word 2003
command.
Again, just to examine the footer, or have JAWS read it, press Insert
plus F-1. The header/footer information is read right before the
margins.
This insert plus F-1 is a very useful key and should be tried before
diving into any Word document. It will identify, in addition to the
items referenced above, sections, tables, graphics, and so on.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS
DMS)
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:29 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
RedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

What's this Alt-V business? My View tab has no header-footer option.
As for JAWS, Alt-V brings up the main JAWS menu.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:14 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
RedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Workshare is extremely popular as a document comparison tool. In the
early days of MS Word, it was arguably more reliable than the built-in
Word Legal Blackline feature.
I don't think that is the case any more. I actually prefer Word's
built-in Legal Blackline. When it compares two documents the comparison
document is essentially a track change document, and you can use all the
JAWS features for track changes with it. So that is convenient.
For Workshare, the client server version used to have a "next revision"
and a "previous revision" feature.
We now use a Web version, and it doesn't have that feature anymore.
So, I always import the comparison document into Word.
Workshare uses styles. So, there is a deletion style, an addition
style, and so on.
Although it depends on the document, sometimes it is easier to review
the revisions with JAWS style reading turned on.
When JAWS encounters these styles, they are announced so that you know
exactly where the deletion or addition begins and ends. Turning on
"colors" also helps.
Within Workshare itself, in addition to using change numbers, you can
also add delimiters.
Here is what I mean. You can force deleted text, for example, to appear
within braces {} and added text within lesser than and greater than
symbols <>.
Sometimes that helps, but if the document has been heavily modified, all
those symbols can create clutter.
I cannot remember what they are called, but the configuration files can
be named and saved. Then, you can use the one that best fits the
situation The best trick, however, is to use the change numbers and
then, in Word, search for the change number style.
JAWS can be set to read headers and footers. The best way, and if you
want to edit them, is to go to View (Alt plus v) and follow that with
"h" for headers/footers.
To get out of headers/footers, just go back to NORMAL View with alt plus
V and down arrow to "Normal" and hit enter.
Also, if you just want a quick read of what is in the header and footer,
press insert plus F-1 inside the Word document. JAWS will read a bunch
of document attributes, including headers and footers.
Hope this is moderately useful.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
Red Lining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Hi Ed and Jeane, these are really helpful tips!

Ed, any other tips for using work share?
At the moment, I'm quite new to the environment, so I have a few
questions about one thing and another.

Opening files from the search feature or the recent documents feature
within outlook is a problem. They open eventually but it takes quite a
bit of time.
I don't think anyone else is having this problem but they use cytrix
terminals.

I wondered if this could be a jaws issue?

Thanks very much
W
I had thought of the find and replace point.

Ed, .
Another thing I am wondering is whether Jaws can be set to read headers
and foot

On 5/10/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@kutakrock.com> wrote:
Jean's tip will work.
Also, check to see if your comparison software will insert "change
numbers."
Here is why. You can search for deleted text using one font, but then
you have to go back for added text.
If you can insert change numbers, you can usually search for the
change number style. That way, you will land on every change,
deletions and additions.
Do the search as Jean suggested. Be sure to select more options.
Then, select format and style.
Then, pick the change number style.
It may be helpful first to check what your program calls the change
number style.
Turn on styles in the verbosity menu with insert plus v.
We use Workshare DeltaView, and the above technique is what I use.
Ps
Having the change numbers makes it easy to point out specific changes
if, for example, you are trying to describe or criticize a particular
change.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
Red Lining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Hi all,
We use a programme to compare documents called Worksite compare, also
I compare.
I want to know how best to use jaws to access the product of these
programmes?

Also, is there a quick way of searching for text with a given font
attribute e.g. colour, bolded, etc.?


On 5/9/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
Ed, that's really helpful, thanks! yes 2003 Roy. that's a great help
gerT

On 5/9/12, Roy Nickelson <roylee@visuallink.com> wrote:
to select a cell tab to it the cell will be selected.
Roy

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:17 PM
Subject: selecting in tables in microsoft word


Hi all I urgently need a way to select the entire contents of a cell
or row in a table in ms word, using jaws.
At the moment the best I can do is a word at a time.
Shift + down arrow does not select a row in a table unfortunately.
thanks very much

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Re: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?

Adrian Spratt
 

Are you saying you're experiencing this behavior on only one webpage?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:19 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?

Hello,
The place markers I'm being taken to aren't there. There is just the place
marker I put in.
What I've found is if I hit shift K I'm able to quickly hit the space bar
and go to the next page. But now I'm wondering if there is some way to stop
continuous read on this website only?
I don't have the virtual curser off, I think that would just be pointless,
especially when I'm the only one using the computer...
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:15 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?

To delete a placemarker, press shift-control-k. You'll land on a list of the
placemarkers on that webpage, unless there aren't any, in which case JAWS
verbalizes "Zero items." Assuming there are placemarkers, arrow down to
locate one you don't want. Then tab until JAWS verbalizes "delete." Press
spacebar, then tab to okay.

The behavior you describe suggests the virtual cursor is off. Press JAWS
key-z to toggle the virtual cursor off and on.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:17 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?

Hello,
So I finally tried out the place markers feature, but it doesn't stop
continuous read... I have to be nice and fast in order to grab it before it
goes on to the next link. I'm wondering if I can have it stop continuous
read?
Also, often there are other place markers on the page I didn't set, like the
link to the homepage and sometimes a random button here and there, and I'm
wondering if I can get rid of those? If not, is there a way to order place
markers in order of preference? I don't know where I'll land on the webpage
when I enter, but when I hit K I always want to be taken to the highest
priority place marker with the K key first.
Can this happen?
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary King
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 8:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?

I think Hotspot Clicker is overkill for Brandon, but may be what Ed needs.
There's a pretty good learning curve for Hotspot Clicker. For Brandon
PlaceMarkers are the right way to go. JAWS Help will provide instructions
on how to set and use them.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Back to the Salt Mines" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?


Brandon. Look at Hot Spot Clicker.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 07:48
Subject: Re: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?


Hello,
The link that I want the shortcut key to go to is on the webpage
itself and not something I can go to externally.
The big thing is I want to be able to hot key to find if I got it
right or wrong. For everything the page looks the same.
If you get the problem wrong it will say

Sorry! You are wrong

(Link) try again
or

(link) try next one


When you get the problem right you have:

Yeah! That's right

(link) try next one


The page sometimes has a donate button at the top, but most of the
time not.
What's ctrl K do? Also does hotspot clicker allow short cut keys?
What would be ideal is if I could set up a sound trigger to play when
I get it right or wrong so I can know what hot key to press. I like to
retry my missed problems.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar Doing the Chores
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?

There's something called "Hot Spot Clicker" that may solve all these
issues.
Try Googling it. It's designed by Jim Snowbarger and used extensively
by blind users of audio production software to give them access.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 23:37
Subject: RE: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?


We have just "upgraded" to a new version of a Web application. This
"upgrade" is definitely an accessibility step backwards in that there
are some things (they aren't really links, buttons, graphics, forms,
or anything else that JAWS recognizes) that are important, but almost
entirely inaccessible.
The virtual cursor just skips over them; however, with the mouse
search or JAWS search command, I can get the mouse to "find" the key
text. Then, I can "left click" with the mouse simulation key.
Now, I think the next step will be to create this shortcut key you are
talking about. It seems like the same problem.
I wish JAWS had a macro facility, but I'm almost positive that all of
the keystrokes you are describing (and that I am describing) can be
simulated with a script. Furthermore, I know one can associate a
script with a keystroke -- say control plus windows plus M.
I've done this before, but it has been a long time. Nevertheless, I
am going to try and report my success/failure in the hopes I'll learn
(or
remember) something and that at least one other person may benefit too.
From what I recall, the most difficult part of the script was to pass
through ordinary text, e.g., the text in the mouse search string.
Some on this list are proficient script writers, and they may tell me
I'm on a fool's errand. If so, I'll still learn something. So,
comment is invited.


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 12:41 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?

Hello,
Is there a way to create a hot key through Jaws that will activate a
link on a webpage? The webpage doesn't have one specified, but I
navigate the webpage so much that it's becoming a major waste of time
to hit 2 or 3 buttons when with a hot key I could just hit one.
I use:
http://www.good-ear.com/servlet/EarTrainer
all the time and in particular, the link to find if you got the
problem right takes lots of time to find after you've clicked the
submit button with your answer. If I could get jaws to find the "Try
next one" link super fast it would shave off like 6 seconds off each
interval.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
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Re: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

Adrian Spratt
 

I got my SMA notice with the arrival of JAWS 13. You might want to contact
FS to make sure your entitlement to not-so-expensive upgrades doesn't
expire. I, too, have found JAWS 13 an improvement over recent previous
versions.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

This is amazing. I guess it depends upon the apps you run, or maybe the
hardware on which you runt them. I sang the blues about 11 and 12
throughout their tenure, but have had a positive user experience with 13
ever since its introduction--just what the doc ordered.

Speaking of 14, did any of you receive a renewal notice following receipt of
13? FS usually sends out notice immediately upon the expiration of my SMA,
but I never got one this time. I keep meaning to call them about that.

Ted
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of George B
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:52 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

Well then they should give us a credit for the s m a that was used on 13

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jdh.com] On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 16:06
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Subject: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

A tech from FS was reported to have told a seminar at the CSUN
conference that FS does not plan on working on JAWS 13 any longer, it
is too much of a mess.

They advised customers to wait for JAWS 14, which is where the new
fixes will be.


---- Original message ----
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:48:13 -0600
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "Jean Menzies"
<jemenzies@shaw.ca>)
Subject: Re: Help needed Urgently! Jaws Failing to Read Numbers in
Word Document
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

Yeah, good luck with that. Let us know how it goes.

Jean
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Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Help needed Urgently! Jaws Failing to Read Numbers in
Word
Document


I will e-mail them!
This is ridiculous!
...


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Re: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA RedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

I was responding to someone, I thought, who was using Word 2003. As a test, I just fired up Word 2003.
Alt plus V followed by down arrow brings up lots of view choices, including headers/footers. To make things faster, Alt plus V followed by H will jump right into the headers/footers. Then, arrow through them, making whatever edits. Remember, edits on the first page footer will carry forward by default (though you can modify this).
So, I was talking about a Word command and, at that, a Word 2003 command.
Again, just to examine the footer, or have JAWS read it, press Insert plus F-1. The header/footer information is read right before the margins.
This insert plus F-1 is a very useful key and should be tried before diving into any Word document. It will identify, in addition to the items referenced above, sections, tables, graphics, and so on.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:29 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA RedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

What's this Alt-V business? My View tab has no header-footer option.
As for JAWS, Alt-V brings up the main JAWS menu.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:14 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
RedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Workshare is extremely popular as a document comparison tool. In the
early days of MS Word, it was arguably more reliable than the built-in
Word Legal Blackline feature.
I don't think that is the case any more. I actually prefer Word's
built-in Legal Blackline. When it compares two documents the comparison
document is essentially a track change document, and you can use all the
JAWS features for track changes with it. So that is convenient.
For Workshare, the client server version used to have a "next revision"
and a "previous revision" feature.
We now use a Web version, and it doesn't have that feature anymore.
So, I always import the comparison document into Word.
Workshare uses styles. So, there is a deletion style, an addition
style, and so on.
Although it depends on the document, sometimes it is easier to review
the revisions with JAWS style reading turned on.
When JAWS encounters these styles, they are announced so that you know
exactly where the deletion or addition begins and ends. Turning on
"colors" also helps.
Within Workshare itself, in addition to using change numbers, you can
also add delimiters.
Here is what I mean. You can force deleted text, for example, to appear
within braces {} and added text within lesser than and greater than
symbols <>.
Sometimes that helps, but if the document has been heavily modified, all
those symbols can create clutter.
I cannot remember what they are called, but the configuration files can
be named and saved. Then, you can use the one that best fits the
situation The best trick, however, is to use the change numbers and
then, in Word, search for the change number style.
JAWS can be set to read headers and footers. The best way, and if you
want to edit them, is to go to View (Alt plus v) and follow that with
"h" for headers/footers.
To get out of headers/footers, just go back to NORMAL View with alt plus
V and down arrow to "Normal" and hit enter.
Also, if you just want a quick read of what is in the header and footer,
press insert plus F-1 inside the Word document. JAWS will read a bunch
of document attributes, including headers and footers.
Hope this is moderately useful.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
Red Lining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Hi Ed and Jeane, these are really helpful tips!

Ed, any other tips for using work share?
At the moment, I'm quite new to the environment, so I have a few
questions about one thing and another.

Opening files from the search feature or the recent documents feature
within outlook is a problem. They open eventually but it takes quite a
bit of time.
I don't think anyone else is having this problem but they use cytrix
terminals.

I wondered if this could be a jaws issue?

Thanks very much
W
I had thought of the find and replace point.

Ed, .
Another thing I am wondering is whether Jaws can be set to read headers
and foot

On 5/10/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@kutakrock.com> wrote:
Jean's tip will work.
Also, check to see if your comparison software will insert "change
numbers."
Here is why. You can search for deleted text using one font, but then
you have to go back for added text.
If you can insert change numbers, you can usually search for the
change number style. That way, you will land on every change,
deletions and additions.
Do the search as Jean suggested. Be sure to select more options.
Then, select format and style.
Then, pick the change number style.
It may be helpful first to check what your program calls the change
number style.
Turn on styles in the verbosity menu with insert plus v.
We use Workshare DeltaView, and the above technique is what I use.
Ps
Having the change numbers makes it easy to point out specific changes
if, for example, you are trying to describe or criticize a particular
change.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
Red Lining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Hi all,
We use a programme to compare documents called Worksite compare, also
I compare.
I want to know how best to use jaws to access the product of these
programmes?

Also, is there a quick way of searching for text with a given font
attribute e.g. colour, bolded, etc.?


On 5/9/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
Ed, that's really helpful, thanks! yes 2003 Roy. that's a great help
gerT

On 5/9/12, Roy Nickelson <roylee@visuallink.com> wrote:
to select a cell tab to it the cell will be selected.
Roy

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Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:17 PM
Subject: selecting in tables in microsoft word


Hi all I urgently need a way to select the entire contents of a cell
or row in a table in ms word, using jaws.
At the moment the best I can do is a word at a time.
Shift + down arrow does not select a row in a table unfortunately.
thanks very much

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Re: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA RedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

What's this Alt-V business? My View tab has no header-footer option.
As for JAWS, Alt-V brings up the main JAWS menu.

Ted

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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:14 PM
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Subject: RE: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
RedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Workshare is extremely popular as a document comparison tool. In the
early days of MS Word, it was arguably more reliable than the built-in
Word Legal Blackline feature.
I don't think that is the case any more. I actually prefer Word's
built-in Legal Blackline. When it compares two documents the comparison
document is essentially a track change document, and you can use all the
JAWS features for track changes with it. So that is convenient.
For Workshare, the client server version used to have a "next revision"
and a "previous revision" feature.
We now use a Web version, and it doesn't have that feature anymore.
So, I always import the comparison document into Word.
Workshare uses styles. So, there is a deletion style, an addition
style, and so on.
Although it depends on the document, sometimes it is easier to review
the revisions with JAWS style reading turned on.
When JAWS encounters these styles, they are announced so that you know
exactly where the deletion or addition begins and ends. Turning on
"colors" also helps.
Within Workshare itself, in addition to using change numbers, you can
also add delimiters.
Here is what I mean. You can force deleted text, for example, to appear
within braces {} and added text within lesser than and greater than
symbols <>.
Sometimes that helps, but if the document has been heavily modified, all
those symbols can create clutter.
I cannot remember what they are called, but the configuration files can
be named and saved. Then, you can use the one that best fits the
situation The best trick, however, is to use the change numbers and
then, in Word, search for the change number style.
JAWS can be set to read headers and footers. The best way, and if you
want to edit them, is to go to View (Alt plus v) and follow that with
"h" for headers/footers.
To get out of headers/footers, just go back to NORMAL View with alt plus
V and down arrow to "Normal" and hit enter.
Also, if you just want a quick read of what is in the header and footer,
press insert plus F-1 inside the Word document. JAWS will read a bunch
of document attributes, including headers and footers.
Hope this is moderately useful.


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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:19 PM
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Subject: Re: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
Red Lining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Hi Ed and Jeane, these are really helpful tips!

Ed, any other tips for using work share?
At the moment, I'm quite new to the environment, so I have a few
questions about one thing and another.

Opening files from the search feature or the recent documents feature
within outlook is a problem. They open eventually but it takes quite a
bit of time.
I don't think anyone else is having this problem but they use cytrix
terminals.

I wondered if this could be a jaws issue?

Thanks very much
W
I had thought of the find and replace point.

Ed, .
Another thing I am wondering is whether Jaws can be set to read headers
and foot

On 5/10/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@kutakrock.com> wrote:
Jean's tip will work.
Also, check to see if your comparison software will insert "change
numbers."
Here is why. You can search for deleted text using one font, but then
you have to go back for added text.
If you can insert change numbers, you can usually search for the
change number style. That way, you will land on every change,
deletions and additions.
Do the search as Jean suggested. Be sure to select more options.
Then, select format and style.
Then, pick the change number style.
It may be helpful first to check what your program calls the change
number style.
Turn on styles in the verbosity menu with insert plus v.
We use Workshare DeltaView, and the above technique is what I use.
Ps
Having the change numbers makes it easy to point out specific changes
if, for example, you are trying to describe or criticize a particular
change.


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On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:44 PM
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Subject: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
Red Lining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Hi all,
We use a programme to compare documents called Worksite compare, also
I compare.
I want to know how best to use jaws to access the product of these
programmes?

Also, is there a quick way of searching for text with a given font
attribute e.g. colour, bolded, etc.?


On 5/9/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
Ed, that's really helpful, thanks! yes 2003 Roy. that's a great help
gerT

On 5/9/12, Roy Nickelson <roylee@visuallink.com> wrote:
to select a cell tab to it the cell will be selected.
Roy

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Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:17 PM
Subject: selecting in tables in microsoft word


Hi all I urgently need a way to select the entire contents of a cell
or row in a table in ms word, using jaws.
At the moment the best I can do is a word at a time.
Shift + down arrow does not select a row in a table unfortunately.
thanks very much

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Re: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?

Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonboy13@...>
 

Hello,
The place markers I'm being taken to aren't there. There is just the place marker I put in.
What I've found is if I hit shift K I'm able to quickly hit the space bar and go to the next page. But now I'm wondering if there is some way to stop continuous read on this website only?
I don't have the virtual curser off, I think that would just be pointless, especially when I'm the only one using the computer...
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:15 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?

To delete a placemarker, press shift-control-k. You'll land on a list of the
placemarkers on that webpage, unless there aren't any, in which case JAWS
verbalizes "Zero items." Assuming there are placemarkers, arrow down to
locate one you don't want. Then tab until JAWS verbalizes "delete." Press
spacebar, then tab to okay.

The behavior you describe suggests the virtual cursor is off. Press JAWS
key-z to toggle the virtual cursor off and on.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:17 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?

Hello,
So I finally tried out the place markers feature, but it doesn't stop
continuous read... I have to be nice and fast in order to grab it before it
goes on to the next link. I'm wondering if I can have it stop continuous
read?
Also, often there are other place markers on the page I didn't set, like the
link to the homepage and sometimes a random button here and there, and I'm
wondering if I can get rid of those? If not, is there a way to order place
markers in order of preference? I don't know where I'll land on the webpage
when I enter, but when I hit K I always want to be taken to the highest
priority place marker with the K key first.
Can this happen?
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary King
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 8:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?

I think Hotspot Clicker is overkill for Brandon, but may be what Ed needs.
There's a pretty good learning curve for Hotspot Clicker. For Brandon
PlaceMarkers are the right way to go. JAWS Help will provide instructions
on how to set and use them.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?


Brandon. Look at Hot Spot Clicker.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 07:48
Subject: Re: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?


Hello,
The link that I want the shortcut key to go to is on the webpage itself
and
not something I can go to externally.
The big thing is I want to be able to hot key to find if I got it right or
wrong. For everything the page looks the same.
If you get the problem wrong it will say

Sorry! You are wrong

(Link) try again
or

(link) try next one


When you get the problem right you have:

Yeah! That's right

(link) try next one


The page sometimes has a donate button at the top, but most of the time
not.
What's ctrl K do? Also does hotspot clicker allow short cut keys?
What would be ideal is if I could set up a sound trigger to play when I
get
it right or wrong so I can know what hot key to press. I like to retry my
missed problems.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar Doing the Chores
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?

There's something called "Hot Spot Clicker" that may solve all these
issues.
Try Googling it. It's designed by Jim Snowbarger and used extensively by
blind users of audio production software to give them access.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 23:37
Subject: RE: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?


We have just "upgraded" to a new version of a Web application. This
"upgrade" is definitely an accessibility step backwards in that there are
some things (they aren't really links, buttons, graphics, forms, or
anything
else that JAWS recognizes) that are important, but almost entirely
inaccessible.
The virtual cursor just skips over them; however, with the mouse search or
JAWS search command, I can get the mouse to "find" the key text. Then, I
can "left click" with the mouse simulation key.
Now, I think the next step will be to create this shortcut key you are
talking about. It seems like the same problem.
I wish JAWS had a macro facility, but I'm almost positive that all of the
keystrokes you are describing (and that I am describing) can be simulated
with a script. Furthermore, I know one can associate a script with a
keystroke -- say control plus windows plus M.
I've done this before, but it has been a long time. Nevertheless, I am
going to try and report my success/failure in the hopes I'll learn (or
remember) something and that at least one other person may benefit too.
From what I recall, the most difficult part of the script was to pass
through ordinary text, e.g., the text in the mouse search string.
Some on this list are proficient script writers, and they may tell me I'm
on
a fool's errand. If so, I'll still learn something. So, comment is
invited.


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On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 12:41 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?

Hello,
Is there a way to create a hot key through Jaws that will activate a link
on
a webpage? The webpage doesn't have one specified, but I navigate the
webpage so much that it's becoming a major waste of time to hit 2 or 3
buttons when with a hot key I could just hit one.
I use:
http://www.good-ear.com/servlet/EarTrainer
all the time and in particular, the link to find if you got the problem
right takes lots of time to find after you've clicked the submit button
with
your answer. If I could get jaws to find the "Try next one" link super
fast
it would shave off like 6 seconds off each interval.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
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Re: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Amen!

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

Thanks for the cool head and realistic thoughts.
Pat ByrneAt 08:06 PM 5/9/2012, you wrote:
Relax people. You're going off of something relayed from someone who
heard it from someone that may have just been throwing stuff out there
in a flippant manner. No need to get all worked up over hearsay and
gossip that happened at a convention where a lot of shop talk is tossed
around.
And to think that FS or any company is going to pull a "My bad." And
say "Yeah, that last release was really bad so we're just going to give
you a freebee worth the equivalent of x y or z." is not dealing with
reality.

FS has already put out a JFW 13 update since CSUN that apparently
caused major issues for some, but did address other problems. We've
probably got four or so months before they start putting out the betas
for Jaws 14.
Whether or not they release another 13 update till then is information
most likely none of us on these lists know or are not privilaged to
discuss openly anyway.

It wasn't that long ago that there weren't even updates between major
releases but for a few exceptions.
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On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:07 PM
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Subject: RE: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

Why, if there not going to work on 13 anymore how can they expect to
charge us for 14?

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On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 4:53 PM
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Subject: Re: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

Only if you have a free upgrade.

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From: Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:45 PM
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Subject: RE: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

14 should be free since their not working on 13 anymore.

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On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 4:25 PM
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Lol, provide refunds then or make 14 a free upgrade.
Just kidding.


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Re: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

This is amazing. I guess it depends upon the apps you run, or maybe the
hardware on which you runt them. I sang the blues about 11 and 12
throughout their tenure, but have had a positive user experience with 13
ever since its introduction--just what the doc ordered.

Speaking of 14, did any of you receive a renewal notice following
receipt of 13? FS usually sends out notice immediately upon the
expiration of my SMA, but I never got one this time. I keep meaning to
call them about that.

Ted

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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of George B
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:52 PM
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Subject: RE: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

Well then they should give us a credit for the s m a that was used on 13

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jdh.com] On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 16:06
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Subject: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

A tech from FS was reported to have told a seminar at the CSUN
conference that FS does not plan on working on JAWS 13 any longer, it
is too much of a mess.

They advised customers to wait for JAWS 14, which is where the new
fixes will be.


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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "Jean Menzies"
<jemenzies@shaw.ca>)
Subject: Re: Help needed Urgently! Jaws Failing to Read Numbers in
Word Document
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

Yeah, good luck with that. Let us know how it goes.

Jean
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I will e-mail them!
This is ridiculous!
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Re: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?

Adrian Spratt
 

To delete a placemarker, press shift-control-k. You'll land on a list of the
placemarkers on that webpage, unless there aren't any, in which case JAWS
verbalizes "Zero items." Assuming there are placemarkers, arrow down to
locate one you don't want. Then tab until JAWS verbalizes "delete." Press
spacebar, then tab to okay.

The behavior you describe suggests the virtual cursor is off. Press JAWS
key-z to toggle the virtual cursor off and on.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:17 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?

Hello,
So I finally tried out the place markers feature, but it doesn't stop
continuous read... I have to be nice and fast in order to grab it before it
goes on to the next link. I'm wondering if I can have it stop continuous
read?
Also, often there are other place markers on the page I didn't set, like the
link to the homepage and sometimes a random button here and there, and I'm
wondering if I can get rid of those? If not, is there a way to order place
markers in order of preference? I don't know where I'll land on the webpage
when I enter, but when I hit K I always want to be taken to the highest
priority place marker with the K key first.
Can this happen?
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary King
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 8:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?

I think Hotspot Clicker is overkill for Brandon, but may be what Ed needs.
There's a pretty good learning curve for Hotspot Clicker. For Brandon
PlaceMarkers are the right way to go. JAWS Help will provide instructions
on how to set and use them.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Back to the Salt Mines" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?


Brandon. Look at Hot Spot Clicker.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 07:48
Subject: Re: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?


Hello,
The link that I want the shortcut key to go to is on the webpage itself
and
not something I can go to externally.
The big thing is I want to be able to hot key to find if I got it right or
wrong. For everything the page looks the same.
If you get the problem wrong it will say

Sorry! You are wrong

(Link) try again
or

(link) try next one


When you get the problem right you have:

Yeah! That's right

(link) try next one


The page sometimes has a donate button at the top, but most of the time
not.
What's ctrl K do? Also does hotspot clicker allow short cut keys?
What would be ideal is if I could set up a sound trigger to play when I
get
it right or wrong so I can know what hot key to press. I like to retry my
missed problems.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar Doing the Chores
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?

There's something called "Hot Spot Clicker" that may solve all these
issues.
Try Googling it. It's designed by Jim Snowbarger and used extensively by
blind users of audio production software to give them access.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 23:37
Subject: RE: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?


We have just "upgraded" to a new version of a Web application. This
"upgrade" is definitely an accessibility step backwards in that there are
some things (they aren't really links, buttons, graphics, forms, or
anything
else that JAWS recognizes) that are important, but almost entirely
inaccessible.
The virtual cursor just skips over them; however, with the mouse search or
JAWS search command, I can get the mouse to "find" the key text. Then, I
can "left click" with the mouse simulation key.
Now, I think the next step will be to create this shortcut key you are
talking about. It seems like the same problem.
I wish JAWS had a macro facility, but I'm almost positive that all of the
keystrokes you are describing (and that I am describing) can be simulated
with a script. Furthermore, I know one can associate a script with a
keystroke -- say control plus windows plus M.
I've done this before, but it has been a long time. Nevertheless, I am
going to try and report my success/failure in the hopes I'll learn (or
remember) something and that at least one other person may benefit too.
From what I recall, the most difficult part of the script was to pass
through ordinary text, e.g., the text in the mouse search string.
Some on this list are proficient script writers, and they may tell me I'm
on
a fool's errand. If so, I'll still learn something. So, comment is
invited.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 12:41 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Creating Shortcut Keys with Jaws?

Hello,
Is there a way to create a hot key through Jaws that will activate a link
on
a webpage? The webpage doesn't have one specified, but I navigate the
webpage so much that it's becoming a major waste of time to hit 2 or 3
buttons when with a hot key I could just hit one.
I use:
http://www.good-ear.com/servlet/EarTrainer
all the time and in particular, the link to find if you got the problem
right takes lots of time to find after you've clicked the submit button
with
your answer. If I could get jaws to find the "Try next one" link super
fast
it would shave off like 6 seconds off each interval.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
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