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Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

With my 4 GB ram which sounds very little now lol, I closed jaws and
let someone sighted navigate the 1200 page document in adobe reader
and they had no problems with it so it seems that it's a jaws problem
or limitation.

On 4/10/12, Farfar and His Trusty Guide Beamer <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Soronel.

Hard to get my head around that much RAM, but so be it.

Looks like it's either how Acrobat handles the memory management, or how
JAWS is interacting with same. I'd wonder if there's someone you can turn to
who can observe the on-screen activity with the same large document, and
JAWS unloaded? Does JAWS cause the slowdown, or is it inherent in
Acrobat/Adobe?

Dave Carlson
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States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 07:19
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


No, I do in fact mean 32gb of physical ram. It's an 8 core Xeon (dual
quads) with about 10tb HDD capacity now.

The main thing I use all that capability for is running virtual
machines. It's way easier to perform initial debugging of windows
drivers under non-starvation conditions.

The thing is, even with a system as ridiculously overpowered as what
I've got, acrobat reader still crawls on documents larger than 600
pages or so.

On 4/10/12, Farfar and His Trusty Guide Beamer <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
A 32 Gb RAM system? That's an incredible amount of RAM. Did you mean a
32-bit machine? Or do you have a 32G swap drive set up?



Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 06:25
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


The problem isn't the computer running out of memory as said a 32 GB
ram system still has problems, the problem is jaws having to annalize
the entire document and I think it's also loaded in some kind of jaws
buffer.

On 4/10/12, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
I think you're exactly right. Some of the old DOS word processors
worked rather like that old AR. I recall DisplayWrite 3, 4, and 5 had
an upper limit of 4999 pages of text; pages 5000 and beyond were
reserved for footnotes, and this ran on an old 386 platform with 640K
plus high and expanded memory. The PDF reader produced in the UK by the
same company that gave us Thunder seems to work on documents of various
sizes, if you don't mind the fact that search capabilities are primitive
to nonexistent. The last time I tried FoxIt, it was a total bust.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 5:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Ted,
The long ago version that you are talking about worked in an entirely
different way than the current version. With the current version of the
reader, documents either load entirely into the virtual buffer or load a
page at a time. In addition to the problem of having to advance through
a large document by pages, you also have the problem of not being able
to use the JAWS search feature to find text beyond your current page in
the document. Don't think there's a fix.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


If anybody figures that one out, let me know immediately. Believe it
or
not, AR4 allowed you to do just that, but it's been a long time. That
was the first accessible version with the little plug-in.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:56 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Hi
There's a spesific pdf doc that I'm trying to read and it's like 1200
pages. As you might know if you choose read entire document jaws
annalizes the entire document and loads it in to the computers ram.
Because of the size of this document it makes adobe reader crash every
time. The other option is to read currently visible pages only, my
question is, when reading currently visible pages only, can you still
get adobe reader to go to the next page automatically and get jaws to
annalize the pages as you go to the next one?

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Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Dave...
 

Soronel,

Another clarification, please. Adobe Reader, or Adobe Acrobat?


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 07:19
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


No, I do in fact mean 32gb of physical ram. It's an 8 core Xeon (dual
quads) with about 10tb HDD capacity now.

The main thing I use all that capability for is running virtual
machines. It's way easier to perform initial debugging of windows
drivers under non-starvation conditions.

The thing is, even with a system as ridiculously overpowered as what
I've got, acrobat reader still crawls on documents larger than 600
pages or so.

On 4/10/12, Farfar and His Trusty Guide Beamer <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
A 32 Gb RAM system? That's an incredible amount of RAM. Did you mean a
32-bit machine? Or do you have a 32G swap drive set up?



Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 06:25
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


The problem isn't the computer running out of memory as said a 32 GB
ram system still has problems, the problem is jaws having to annalize
the entire document and I think it's also loaded in some kind of jaws
buffer.

On 4/10/12, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
I think you're exactly right. Some of the old DOS word processors
worked rather like that old AR. I recall DisplayWrite 3, 4, and 5 had
an upper limit of 4999 pages of text; pages 5000 and beyond were
reserved for footnotes, and this ran on an old 386 platform with 640K
plus high and expanded memory. The PDF reader produced in the UK by the
same company that gave us Thunder seems to work on documents of various
sizes, if you don't mind the fact that search capabilities are primitive
to nonexistent. The last time I tried FoxIt, it was a total bust.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 5:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Ted,
The long ago version that you are talking about worked in an entirely
different way than the current version. With the current version of the
reader, documents either load entirely into the virtual buffer or load a
page at a time. In addition to the problem of having to advance through
a large document by pages, you also have the problem of not being able
to use the JAWS search feature to find text beyond your current page in
the document. Don't think there's a fix.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


If anybody figures that one out, let me know immediately. Believe it
or
not, AR4 allowed you to do just that, but it's been a long time. That
was the first accessible version with the little plug-in.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:56 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Hi
There's a spesific pdf doc that I'm trying to read and it's like 1200
pages. As you might know if you choose read entire document jaws
annalizes the entire document and loads it in to the computers ram.
Because of the size of this document it makes adobe reader crash every
time. The other option is to read currently visible pages only, my
question is, when reading currently visible pages only, can you still
get adobe reader to go to the next page automatically and get jaws to
annalize the pages as you go to the next one?

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Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Dave...
 

Soronel.

Hard to get my head around that much RAM, but so be it.

Looks like it's either how Acrobat handles the memory management, or how
JAWS is interacting with same. I'd wonder if there's someone you can turn to
who can observe the on-screen activity with the same large document, and
JAWS unloaded? Does JAWS cause the slowdown, or is it inherent in
Acrobat/Adobe?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 07:19
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


No, I do in fact mean 32gb of physical ram. It's an 8 core Xeon (dual
quads) with about 10tb HDD capacity now.

The main thing I use all that capability for is running virtual
machines. It's way easier to perform initial debugging of windows
drivers under non-starvation conditions.

The thing is, even with a system as ridiculously overpowered as what
I've got, acrobat reader still crawls on documents larger than 600
pages or so.

On 4/10/12, Farfar and His Trusty Guide Beamer <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
A 32 Gb RAM system? That's an incredible amount of RAM. Did you mean a
32-bit machine? Or do you have a 32G swap drive set up?



Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 06:25
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


The problem isn't the computer running out of memory as said a 32 GB
ram system still has problems, the problem is jaws having to annalize
the entire document and I think it's also loaded in some kind of jaws
buffer.

On 4/10/12, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
I think you're exactly right. Some of the old DOS word processors
worked rather like that old AR. I recall DisplayWrite 3, 4, and 5 had
an upper limit of 4999 pages of text; pages 5000 and beyond were
reserved for footnotes, and this ran on an old 386 platform with 640K
plus high and expanded memory. The PDF reader produced in the UK by the
same company that gave us Thunder seems to work on documents of various
sizes, if you don't mind the fact that search capabilities are primitive
to nonexistent. The last time I tried FoxIt, it was a total bust.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 5:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Ted,
The long ago version that you are talking about worked in an entirely
different way than the current version. With the current version of the
reader, documents either load entirely into the virtual buffer or load a
page at a time. In addition to the problem of having to advance through
a large document by pages, you also have the problem of not being able
to use the JAWS search feature to find text beyond your current page in
the document. Don't think there's a fix.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


If anybody figures that one out, let me know immediately. Believe it
or
not, AR4 allowed you to do just that, but it's been a long time. That
was the first accessible version with the little plug-in.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:56 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Hi
There's a spesific pdf doc that I'm trying to read and it's like 1200
pages. As you might know if you choose read entire document jaws
annalizes the entire document and loads it in to the computers ram.
Because of the size of this document it makes adobe reader crash every
time. The other option is to read currently visible pages only, my
question is, when reading currently visible pages only, can you still
get adobe reader to go to the next page automatically and get jaws to
annalize the pages as you go to the next one?

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Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Soronel Haetir
 

No, I do in fact mean 32gb of physical ram. It's an 8 core Xeon (dual
quads) with about 10tb HDD capacity now.

The main thing I use all that capability for is running virtual
machines. It's way easier to perform initial debugging of windows
drivers under non-starvation conditions.

The thing is, even with a system as ridiculously overpowered as what
I've got, acrobat reader still crawls on documents larger than 600
pages or so.

On 4/10/12, Farfar and His Trusty Guide Beamer <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
A 32 Gb RAM system? That's an incredible amount of RAM. Did you mean a
32-bit machine? Or do you have a 32G swap drive set up?



Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 06:25
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


The problem isn't the computer running out of memory as said a 32 GB
ram system still has problems, the problem is jaws having to annalize
the entire document and I think it's also loaded in some kind of jaws
buffer.

On 4/10/12, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
I think you're exactly right. Some of the old DOS word processors
worked rather like that old AR. I recall DisplayWrite 3, 4, and 5 had
an upper limit of 4999 pages of text; pages 5000 and beyond were
reserved for footnotes, and this ran on an old 386 platform with 640K
plus high and expanded memory. The PDF reader produced in the UK by the
same company that gave us Thunder seems to work on documents of various
sizes, if you don't mind the fact that search capabilities are primitive
to nonexistent. The last time I tried FoxIt, it was a total bust.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 5:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Ted,
The long ago version that you are talking about worked in an entirely
different way than the current version. With the current version of the
reader, documents either load entirely into the virtual buffer or load a
page at a time. In addition to the problem of having to advance through
a large document by pages, you also have the problem of not being able
to use the JAWS search feature to find text beyond your current page in
the document. Don't think there's a fix.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


If anybody figures that one out, let me know immediately. Believe it
or
not, AR4 allowed you to do just that, but it's been a long time. That
was the first accessible version with the little plug-in.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:56 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Hi
There's a spesific pdf doc that I'm trying to read and it's like 1200
pages. As you might know if you choose read entire document jaws
annalizes the entire document and loads it in to the computers ram.
Because of the size of this document it makes adobe reader crash every
time. The other option is to read currently visible pages only, my
question is, when reading currently visible pages only, can you still
get adobe reader to go to the next page automatically and get jaws to
annalize the pages as you go to the next one?

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Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Dave...
 

A 32 Gb RAM system? That's an incredible amount of RAM. Did you mean a
32-bit machine? Or do you have a 32G swap drive set up?



Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 06:25
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


The problem isn't the computer running out of memory as said a 32 GB
ram system still has problems, the problem is jaws having to annalize
the entire document and I think it's also loaded in some kind of jaws
buffer.

On 4/10/12, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
I think you're exactly right. Some of the old DOS word processors
worked rather like that old AR. I recall DisplayWrite 3, 4, and 5 had
an upper limit of 4999 pages of text; pages 5000 and beyond were
reserved for footnotes, and this ran on an old 386 platform with 640K
plus high and expanded memory. The PDF reader produced in the UK by the
same company that gave us Thunder seems to work on documents of various
sizes, if you don't mind the fact that search capabilities are primitive
to nonexistent. The last time I tried FoxIt, it was a total bust.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 5:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Ted,
The long ago version that you are talking about worked in an entirely
different way than the current version. With the current version of the
reader, documents either load entirely into the virtual buffer or load a
page at a time. In addition to the problem of having to advance through
a large document by pages, you also have the problem of not being able
to use the JAWS search feature to find text beyond your current page in
the document. Don't think there's a fix.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


If anybody figures that one out, let me know immediately. Believe it
or
not, AR4 allowed you to do just that, but it's been a long time. That
was the first accessible version with the little plug-in.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:56 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Hi
There's a spesific pdf doc that I'm trying to read and it's like 1200
pages. As you might know if you choose read entire document jaws
annalizes the entire document and loads it in to the computers ram.
Because of the size of this document it makes adobe reader crash every
time. The other option is to read currently visible pages only, my
question is, when reading currently visible pages only, can you still
get adobe reader to go to the next page automatically and get jaws to
annalize the pages as you go to the next one?

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Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Bissett, Tom <tom.bissett@...>
 

I find this interesting because I have to read manuals more than a thousand pages all the time and I have no issues. It does take a long time to load but once loaded it works fine. I will often save it as text or run it through kurzweil to convert to word because of the load time which can be five to ten minutes which is to long when I want to look up stuff.
I am using XP pro sp3 jaws 11 and reader 9.
Regards
Tom Bisset

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: April 10, 2012 9:25 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

The problem isn't the computer running out of memory as said a 32 GB
ram system still has problems, the problem is jaws having to annalize
the entire document and I think it's also loaded in some kind of jaws
buffer.

On 4/10/12, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
I think you're exactly right. Some of the old DOS word processors
worked rather like that old AR. I recall DisplayWrite 3, 4, and 5 had
an upper limit of 4999 pages of text; pages 5000 and beyond were
reserved for footnotes, and this ran on an old 386 platform with 640K
plus high and expanded memory. The PDF reader produced in the UK by the
same company that gave us Thunder seems to work on documents of various
sizes, if you don't mind the fact that search capabilities are primitive
to nonexistent. The last time I tried FoxIt, it was a total bust.

Ted

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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 5:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Ted,
The long ago version that you are talking about worked in an entirely
different way than the current version. With the current version of the
reader, documents either load entirely into the virtual buffer or load a
page at a time. In addition to the problem of having to advance through
a large document by pages, you also have the problem of not being able
to use the JAWS search feature to find text beyond your current page in
the document. Don't think there's a fix.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


If anybody figures that one out, let me know immediately. Believe it
or
not, AR4 allowed you to do just that, but it's been a long time. That
was the first accessible version with the little plug-in.

Ted

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Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:56 AM
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Subject: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Hi
There's a spesific pdf doc that I'm trying to read and it's like 1200
pages. As you might know if you choose read entire document jaws
annalizes the entire document and loads it in to the computers ram.
Because of the size of this document it makes adobe reader crash every
time. The other option is to read currently visible pages only, my
question is, when reading currently visible pages only, can you still
get adobe reader to go to the next page automatically and get jaws to
annalize the pages as you go to the next one?

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Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

The problem isn't the computer running out of memory as said a 32 GB
ram system still has problems, the problem is jaws having to annalize
the entire document and I think it's also loaded in some kind of jaws
buffer.

On 4/10/12, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
I think you're exactly right. Some of the old DOS word processors
worked rather like that old AR. I recall DisplayWrite 3, 4, and 5 had
an upper limit of 4999 pages of text; pages 5000 and beyond were
reserved for footnotes, and this ran on an old 386 platform with 640K
plus high and expanded memory. The PDF reader produced in the UK by the
same company that gave us Thunder seems to work on documents of various
sizes, if you don't mind the fact that search capabilities are primitive
to nonexistent. The last time I tried FoxIt, it was a total bust.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 5:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Ted,
The long ago version that you are talking about worked in an entirely
different way than the current version. With the current version of the
reader, documents either load entirely into the virtual buffer or load a
page at a time. In addition to the problem of having to advance through
a large document by pages, you also have the problem of not being able
to use the JAWS search feature to find text beyond your current page in
the document. Don't think there's a fix.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


If anybody figures that one out, let me know immediately. Believe it
or
not, AR4 allowed you to do just that, but it's been a long time. That
was the first accessible version with the little plug-in.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:56 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Hi
There's a spesific pdf doc that I'm trying to read and it's like 1200
pages. As you might know if you choose read entire document jaws
annalizes the entire document and loads it in to the computers ram.
Because of the size of this document it makes adobe reader crash every
time. The other option is to read currently visible pages only, my
question is, when reading currently visible pages only, can you still
get adobe reader to go to the next page automatically and get jaws to
annalize the pages as you go to the next one?

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Re: Need Shortcut Keys

Mike & Barbara <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Dani,

Below are keystrokes for Word 2010.
Here is a list of Word short keys:

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Word 2010 Shortcuts

1. Manage Word Documents

Shortcut

Description

ctrl+n

Create new document

ctrl+o

Open document

ctrl+w

Close document

ctrl+s

Save document

f12

Save document as

ctrl+p

Print document/ print preview

ctrl+f6

Switch between multiple Word documents

alt, then f, r

Open Recent (file, recent)


2. Navigate within Documents

Shortcut

Description

arrow left / arrow right

Jump one character to the left / to the right

ctrl+arrow left / ctrl+arrow right

Jump one word to the left / to the right

end / home

Jump to the end of a line / beginning of a line

arrow down / arrow up

Jump one line down / one line down

ctrl+arrow down / ctrl+arrow up

Jump one paragraph down / one paragraph up

page down / page up

Jump one screen down/ one screen up

alt+ctrl+page down / alt+ctrl+page up

Jump to top / to bottom of visible window

ctrl+end / ctrl+home

Jump to end / to beginning of document

ctrl+g or f5

Go to a page, bookmark, footnote, table, comment, graphic, or other location

alt+ctrl+z

Go back to previously edited location in document (up to 4 places)

shift+f5

Go to a the last change or revision. Also works after opening document.

ctrl+shift+f5

Set, go to and edit bookmarks

alt+ctrl+home

Set Browse Options. Press the arrow keys to select an option, and then press
enter to browse through a document by using the selected option

ctrl+page down / ctrl+page up

Move to next / move to previous browser object as set in Browse Options


3. Select Text

Shortcut

Description

shift+arrow right / shift+arrow left

Extend selection one character to the right / to the left

ctrl+shift+arrow right / ctrl+shift+arrow left

Extend selection one word to the right / to the left

shift+end / shift+home

Extend selection to the end / to beginning of a line

shift+arrow down / shift+arrow up

Extend selection one line down / one line up

shift+page down / shift+page up

Extend selection one screen down / one screen up

ctrl+shift+end / ctrl+shift+home

Extend selection to end / to beginning of document

alt+ctrl+shift+page down / alt+ctrl+shift+page up

Extend selection to end / to beginning of visible window

ctrl+a

Extend selection to entire document

arrow keys

Cancel selection and return to beginning / to end of selection

f8

Turn Extend Mode on: Extend selection without pressing shift

arrow keys , page up/page down etc.

Extend selection in Extended Mode:

f8

Extend selection further by word, paragraph, document in Extended Mode

shift+f8

Reduce the size of a selection in Extended Mode

ctrl+shift+f8, and arrow keys

Select a vertical block of text in Extended Mode

esc

Turn extend mode off

f8

Extend a selection to a specific location in a document


4. Undo, Copy and Paste

Shortcut

Description

ctrl+z

Undo the last action

ctrl+y

Redo the last action

ctrl+c

Copy selected text or object

ctrl+x

Cut selected text or object

ctrl+v

Paste selected text or object

ctrl+shift+c

Copy text format

ctrl+shift+v

Paste text format

ctrl+alt+v

Paste special

ctrl+v, then ctrl, then k

Paste and keep Source Formatting

ctrl+v, then ctrl, then t

Paste and keep Text only

ctrl+f3

Cut to the Spike (separate clipboard)

ctrl+shift+f3

Paste from the Spike

alt+shift+r

Copy the header or footer from previous section of the document


5. Edit Documents


Insert Special Characters

Shortcut

Description

alt+ctrl+c

Insert copyright symbol

alt+ctrl+r

Insert registered trademark symbol

alt+ctrl+t

Insert trademark symbol

alt+ctrl+. (Period)

Insert horizontal ellipsis (.)

alt+ctrl+-

Insert em dash

alt+ctrl++

Insert en dash

alt, then n,u

Insert Symbol (insert menu)

' or ctrl+2x`

Insert single opening quotation mark

ctrl+2x '

Insert single closing quotation mark

Type character code and press alt+x

Insert Unicode character, e.g. 20ac

Select character and press alt+x

Transform character to Unicode

alt+character code on numeric keyboard

Insert ANSI character


Insert Breaks

Shortcut

Description

enter

Insert paragraph break

shift+enter

Insert line break without breaking paragraph

ctrl+enter

Insert page break

ctrl+shift+enter

Insert column break (break table)

ctrl+shift+space

Insert nonbreaking space

ctrl+shift+- (Hyphen)

Insert nonbreaking hyphen

ctrl+-

Insert optional hyphen


Insert Text Elements

Shortcut

Description

alt+ctrl+f

Insert a footnote

alt+ctrl+d

Insert an endnote

ctrl+k

Insert a hyperlink

alt+shift+i

Insert Citation Mark

alt+shift+x

Insert Index Mark


Move and Delete Text

Shortcut

Description

f2, then move to position and press enter

Move selected text to different position

shift+f2, then move to position and press enter

Copy selected text to different position

delete / backspace

Delete one character to the right / to the left (or delete selection)

ctrl+delete / ctrl+backspace

Delete one word to the right / to the left

delete

Delete one character to the right or delete selection

ctrl+shift+< / ctrl+shift+>

Decrease / Increase font size one value


6. Formats


Format Text

Shortcut

Description

ctrl+d or ctrl+shift+k

Open the Font dialog box

ctrl+shift+< / ctrl+shift+>

Decrease / Increase font size one value

ctrl+[ / ctrl+]

Decrease / Increase font size one point

ctrl+b

Apply/remove bold

ctrl+i

Apply/remove italic

ctrl+u

Apply/remove underline

ctrl+=

Apply/remove subscript

ctrl+shift++

Apply/remove superscript

ctrl+shift+d

Apply/remove double-underline

ctrl+shift+w

Apply/remove words underline (only words, no spaces)

ctrl+shift+h

Apply/remove hidden formatting

ctrl+shift+a

Apply/remove all capitals

ctrl+shift+k

Apply/remove small capitals

shift+f3

Change between all upper-, first letter upper- and all lower-case

ctrl+d, then alt+k and enter

Apply strike-through formatting (font dialog)

ctrl+shift+q

Change the selection to the Symbol font

shift+f1

Reveal Formatting (show all formats of selection)


Format Paragraphs

Shortcut

Description

ctrl+r

Right-align paragraph

ctrl+l

Left-align paragraph

ctrl+e

Center-align paragraph

ctrl+j

Justify-align paragraph

ctrl+m / ctrl+shift+m

Indent paragraph from the left and increase / decrease indent

ctrl+1

Set line-spacing to single-space

ctrl+2

Set line-spacing to double-space

ctrl+5

Set line-spacing to 1.5

ctrl+0

Add or remove one line space preceding a paragraph


Styles

Shortcut

Description

alt+ctrl+shift+s

Open or close Styles task pane

alt+ctrl+1

Apply Heading 1 style

alt+ctrl+2

Apply Heading 2 style

alt+ctrl+3

Apply Heading 3 style

alt+shift+arrow right / alt+shift+arrow left

Promote / demote Headings

ctrl+space

Remove all manual styles

ctrl+shift+n

Apply Normal style

ctrl+shift+s

Open Apply Styles task pane (will not close with pressing it a second time)

alt+ctrl+k

Start Auto Format


7. Search and Replace

Shortcut

Description

ctrl+h

Open traditional find and replace window

ctrl+h, then alt+d

Open traditional find window

alt+ctrl+y, or shift+f4

Repeat last find after closing find window

ctrl+tab

Jump between find menu and document

alt+space, arrow keys and enter

Move find menu window

escape

Close traditional search window if active

ctrl+f

Open (new) search menu in navigation task pane

alt, then v,k

Open and close Navigation pane (View, Navigation)


8. Manage Word View


Switch Views

Shortcut

Description

alt+ctrl+p

Switch to Print Layout view

alt+ctrl+o

Switch to Outline view

alt+ctrl+n

Switch to Draft view (used to be normal view)

ctrl+scroll mouse

Zoom in and zoom out

alt then w, q

Open Zoom Menu (no native shortcut exists for zoom in/ zoom out)

alt+ctrl+s

Split the document window


Ribbons

Shortcut

Description

ctrl+f1

Show or hide the ribbon

f10 or alt

Select item in Ribbon

escape

Leave Ribbon or Submenu

arrow left / arrow right

Move left or right between main Ribbon Menus if active

arrow keys

Move left/right/up/down between Ribbon Menus and Sub-Menus

space or enter

When in ribbon Open or activate selected item


Navigation Pane

Shortcut

Description

alt, then w,k

Open and close Navigation pane (View, Navigation)

f6 / shift+f6

With Navigation Pane open: Switch forward / backwards between (1) Navigation
Pane, (2) Bottom Taskbar, (3) Ribbon, and (4) Document

tab / shift+tab

In Navigation Pane: Move through Navigation Pane options


9. Tables


Navigate in Tables

Shortcut

Description

arrow down / arrow up

Jump one row down / one row up

tab / shift+tab

Jump to (and select) next / previous table cell

alt+home / alt+end

Jump to first column/ jump to last column

alt+page up / alt+page down

Jump to first row / jump to last row

ctrl+arrow left / ctrl+arrow right

One cell to the left / to the right


Select Table Contents

Shortcut

Description

shift+end

Select current table cell

end, then shift+home

Select content of current table cell

Press and hold shift and press arrow keys repeatedly

Extend selection to adjacent cells

ctrl+shift+f8, then press

Extend selection or block

alt+5 on numeric keypad (with numLock off)

Select an entire table


Edit Tables

Shortcut

Description

alt+shift+arrow up / alt+shift+arrow down

Move current row up or down

In first column, press shift+end repeatedly

Select row*

In first row press alt+shift+page down

Select column

shift+f10, then d

Delete rows* with rows selected

shift+f10, then d, then r and enter

Delete row

shift+f10, then d, then c and enter

Delete column

shift+f10, then i, then a

Insert row above

shift+f10, then i, then b

Insert row below

ctrl+tab

Insert tab character

tab in last table cell

Add row at the end

*Make sure selection extends past the last column which is number of columns
+1. Word shows the selection extended next to the last column.


10. Outline View

Shortcut

Description

ctrl+shirt+o

Switch to Outline View

tab / shift+tab or

Promote / Demote a paragraph

alt+shift+arrow left / alt+shift+arrow right

alt+shift+arrow up / alt+shift+arrow down

Move selected paragraphs up / down

ctrl+shift+n

Demote to body text (set style to normal)

alt+shift++ / alt+shift+-

Expand / Collapse text under a heading

alt+shift+a

Expand or collapse all text or headings

/ key on the numeric keypad

Hide or display character formatting

alt+shift+l

Show the first line of body text or all body text

alt+shift+1

Show all headings with the Heading 1 style

alt+shift+n

Show all headings up to Heading n

ctrl+tab

Insert a tab character


11. Review Documents

Shortcut

Description

f7

Choose the Spelling command (Review tab).

alt+ctrl+m

Insert a comment

ctrl+shift+e

Turn change tracking on or off

alt+shift+c

Close the Reviewing Pane if it is open.

ctrl+shift+*

Display nonprinting characters.

alt+f10

Display the Selection and Visibility task pane.

ctrl+shift+g

Open the Word Count dialog box.


12. Print Documents

Shortcut

Description

ctrl+p

Print a document (print preview)

escape

Close print preview

arrow keys, page up / page down

Move around the preview pages (with focus on preview page*)

ctrl+home / ctrl+end

Move to first page / last page (with focus on preview page)

*Except tabbing, there seems to be no shortcut to jump to preview page.
Clicking on it with the mouse is an option


13. Fields

Shortcut

Description

alt+shift+d

Insert current date (insert DATE field)

alt+shift+p

Insert page number (insert PAGE field)

alt+shift+t

Insert time (insert TIME field)

alt+ctrl+l

Insert LISTNUM field

ctrl+f9

Insert an empty field

ctrl+shift+l

Insert a LISTNUM field

shift+f9

Show or hide field code/result of selected field

alt+f9

Show or hide field codes/results of all fields in document

f9

Update selected fields*

alt+shift+f9

Run GOTOBUTTON or MACROBUTTON from the field that displays the field results

f11 / shift+f11

Go to the next field/ previous field

ctrl+shift+f7

Update linked information in a Microsoft Word source document

ctrl+shift+f9

Unlink a field

ctrl+f11 / ctrl+shift+f11

Lock a field / Unlock a field

*to update all fields, select the complete document with ctrl+a, then update
fields by pressing f9)


14. Mail Merge

Shortcut

Description

alt+shift+k

Preview a mail merge

alt+shift+n

Merge a document

alt+shift+m

Print the merged document

alt+shift+e

Edit a mail-merge data document

alt+shift+f

Insert a merge field

alt+shift+k

Preview a mail merge

alt+shift+n

Merge a document

alt+shift+m

Print the merged document

alt+shift+e

Edit a mail-merge data document

alt+shift+f

Insert a merge field


15. The Rest

Shortcut

Description

f1

Get Help or visit Microsoft Office.com

alt+f4

Exit Word

shift+f10

Display a shortcut menu (Simulate right mouse button)

alt+f3

Create new Building block with selected texts

----- Original Message -----
From: Dani L Pagador
To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:13 AM
Subject: Need Shortcut Keys


Hi, Everyone.

I'm working with my Win7 system that's got Office 2010, IE9, and JFW11,
and
slowly making my way along what looks to be a long, frustrating learning
curve.

I can't seem to find any shortcuts for Office or IE9 in the JFW11 help.
There are general things written about MSOutlook and Word, but the
specific
versions aren't addressed. Where would I need to go to get a list of
shortcuts?

Thanks,

Dani, who's gonna go find more chocolate



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Re: Need Shortcut Keys

Dani Pagador
 

Hi, David.
What you sent is definitely a step in the direction I need to go. What kind
of cookies should I bake for you, and where should I send them??? I ask that
in all seriousness.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of David
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:52 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Need Shortcut Keys

Hello there;

Perhaps the following will help you get started.


174 useful Keyboard Shortcuts for Outlook 2010.



(Click here to go back to Microsoft Outlook Shortcuts on shortcutworld.com)



http://www.shortcutworld.com/en/win/Outlook_2010.html



Outlook 2010 Shortcuts



table with 2 columns and 9 rows

1. Main Outlook Features

Shortcut

Description

ctrl+1

Switch to Mail

ctrl+2

Switch to Calendar

ctrl+3

Switch to Contacts

ctrl+4

Switch to Tasks

ctrl+5

Switch to Notes

ctrl+6

Switch to Folder List in Navigation Pane

ctrl+7

Switch to Shortcuts

ctrl+shift+b

Open Address Book

table end



2. Messages in Main View



table with 2 columns and 10 rows

Main Window

Shortcut

Description

tab/shift+tab

Cycle forward / backward between screen elements (Navigation Pane, Message
List, Search, Reading Pane)

ctrl+shift+i

Go to Inbox folder

ctrl+shift+o

Go to Outbox folder

ctrl+y

Go to another folder as specified

f3 or ctrl+e

Go to Search box

ctrl+m or f9

Check for new messages

alt+arrow left / alt+arrow right

Go back to previous view / forward to next view

ctrl+n

Create new message

ctrl+shift+m

Create new message (from any Outlook view)

table end



table with 2 columns and 6 rows

Navigation Pane

Shortcut

Description

arrow up / arrow down

Navigate downward / navigate upward in Navigation Pane. Press space or enter
to select. Press shift+tab and/or tab to jump between Message List and
Navigation

Pane

arrow left / arrow right

Collapse or expand group in message list

a...z

Jump to folder with letter typed. If more than one folder exists,
immediately continue typing second or third letter until reaching folder

f2

Rename folder

del

Delete folder

table end



table with 2 columns and 22 rows

Message List and Single Messages

Shortcut

Description

tab/shift+tab

Cycle forward / cycle backward between Screen Elements (e.g. Navigation
Pane, Message List, Search, Reading Pane)

arrow down / arrow up

Move down / move up between messages

arrow left / arrow right

Collapse / expand groups (e.g. week)

shift+arrow down / shift+arrow up

Select multiple adjacent messages

press and hold ctrl, arrow up/arrow down and space

Select multiple non-adjacent messages

ctrl+shift+v

Move message to folder

insert

Add Quick Flag to message

ctrl+shift+g

Add Custom Flag to message

ctrl+alt+j

Mark message as not junk

ctrl+q/ ctrl+u

Mark as read or unread

ctrl+alt+m

Mark for Download

ctrl+alt+u

Clear Mark for Download

ctrl+shift+w

Display blocked content menu. Press ctrl+shift+w, then p to download blocked
pictures/images.

alt+enter

Show email properties

ctrl+shift+s

Post to folder

ctrl+shift+y

Copy item to folder

spacebar/ shift+spacebar

Page down / page up through message text in Reading Pane

enter

Open message

ctrl+. / ctrl+,

Jump to next/previous message (in single message view)

ctrl+p

Print Message

Most Shortcuts work in Message List and when viewing single messages

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3. Messages in Compose View



table with 2 columns and 10 rows

Manage Messages

Shortcut

Description

tab

Cycle between To, Cc, Subject, and Message Body

alt+m

Choose From account from which to send message

alt+u

Jump to subject

alt+s

Send

ctrl+s or shift+f12

Save Message

f12

Save Message as

ctrl+click

Jump to URI while in edit mode

ctrl+k

Insert hyperlink

alt+n, then af

Attach File / Insert File

table end



table with 2 columns and 23 rows

Shortcuts for Formatting Text

Shortcut

Description

ctrl+x / ctrl+c / ctrl+v

Cut/ copy/ paste

alt+o

Display Format menu

ctrl+shift+p

Display Font dialog box

shift+f3

Switch case between all upper, all lower, and first letter upper.

ctrl+shift+k

Switch case to/from small capitals

ctrl+b

Switch format to/from bold

ctrl+i

Switch format to/from italic

ctrl+u

Switch format to/from underline

ctrl+shift+l

Add/remove bullets

ctrl+l

Align left

ctrl+r

Align right

ctrl+e

Align center

ctrl+t/ ctrl+shift+t

Increase / decrease indent

ctrl+[/ ctrl+]

Increase / decrease font size (or use or ctrl+shift+;

ctrl+spacebar

Clear formatting (or use ctrl+shift+z)

ctrl+shift+h

Delete next word

ctrl+shift+j

Stretch paragraph to fit between margins

ctrl+shift+s

Apply styles

ctrl+t

Create hanging indent

ctrl+shift+t

Reduce hanging indent

ctrl+k

Insert hyperlink

ctrl+q

Remove paragraph formatting

table end



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4. Create Items

Shortcut

Description

ctrl+shift+a

Create appointment

ctrl+shift+c

Create contact

ctrl+shift+l

Create distribution list

ctrl+shift+x

Create fax

ctrl+shift+e

Create folder

ctrl+shift+j

Create Journal entry

ctrl+shift+q

Create meeting request

ctrl+shift+m

Create message

ctrl+shift+n

Create note

ctrl+shift+h

Create new Microsoft Office document

ctrl+shift+s

Post to this folder

ctrl+t

Post reply in this folder

ctrl+shift+p

Create Search Folder

ctrl+shift+k

Create task

ctrl+shift+u

Create task request

table end



5. Calendar Shortcuts



table with 2 columns and 10 rows

Create and Manage Appointments

Shortcut

Description

tab / shift+tab

Select next/ select previous appointment in Calendar View

ctrl+n

Create new appointment (when in Calendar)

ctrl+shift+a

Create new appointment (in any Outlook view)

ctrl+shift+q

Create new meeting request

ctrl+g

Set up recurrence for an appointment or task

tab / shift+tab

Jump to next / previous input field

ctrl+f

Forward an appointment or meeting

ctrl+r

Reply to meeting request with message

ctrl+shift+r

Reply All to meeting request with message

table end



table with 2 columns and 6 rows

Calendar Views

Shortcut

Description

ctrl+alt+1

Switch to Day view

ctrl+alt+2

Switch to Work Week view

ctrl+alt+3

Switch to Full Week view

ctrl+alt+4

Switch to Month Week view

alt+1...0

View from 1 through 10 days

table end



table with 2 columns and 12 rows

Navigate Calendar

Shortcut

Description

ctrl+tab or f6

Move between Calendar, TaskPad, and Folder List

tab / shift+tab

Select next/ select previous appointment

arrow left / arrow right

Go to previous / next day

arrow up / arrow down

Go up / down in current view

home / end

Go to beginning/end of current view

page up / page down

Jump one page up/ one page down

shift+arrow up / shift+arrow down

Day View: Extend / reduce selected time

alt+arrow down / alt+arrow up

Go to same day in next / previous week

alt+page down / alt+page up

Go to next or previous month

alt+home / alt+end

Go to start or end of week

ctrl+g

Go to date

table end



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6. Contacts Shortcuts

Shortcut

Description

f3 or ctrl+e

Find contact or other item

f11

Enter name in Search Address Books box

shift+letter

In Table or List view of contacts, go to first contact that starts with
specific letter

ctrl+a

Select all contacts

ctrl+f

Create new message addressed to selected contact

ctrl+j

Create Journal entry for selected contact

ctrl+n

Create new contact (when in Contacts)

ctrl+shift+c

Create new contact (from any Outlook view)

ctrl+o or ctrl+shift+enter

Open contact form for selected contact

ctrl+shift+l

Create new distribution list

ctrl+p

Print

f5

Update list of distribution list members

ctrl+y

Go to different folder

ctrl+shift+b

Open Address Book

ctrl+shift+f

Use Advanced Find

ctrl+shift+.

In an open contact, open next contact listed

esc

Close contact

ctrl+shift+x

Open Web page for selected contact (if one is included)

alt+d

Open Check Address dialog box

alt+shift+1 .. 3

In contact form, under Internet, display message 1 .. 3 information

ctrl+shift+d

Dial new call

table end



table with 2 columns and 18 rows

7. Tasks Shortcuts

Shortcut

Description

alt+f2

Show or hide To-Do Bar

alt+c

Accept task request

alt+d

Decline task request

ctrl+e

Find task or other item

ctrl+y

Open Go to Folder dialog box

ctrl+n

Create new task (when in Tasks)

ctrl+shift+k

Create new task (from any Outlook view)

ctrl+shift+u

Create new task request

ctrl+o

Open selected item

ctrl+p

Print selected item

ctrl+a

Select all items

ctrl+d

Delete selected item

ctrl+f

Forward task as an attachment

shift+tab

Switch between Navigation Pane, Tasks list, and To-Do Bar

ctrl+j

Open selected item as Journal item

ctrl+z

Undo last action

insert

Flag an item or mark complete

table end



table with 2 columns and 15 rows

8. Business Card View

Shortcut

Description

a-z

One or more letters of name that card is filed under or name of field that
you are sorting by will select specific card in list

arrow up / arrow down

Select previous / select next card

home / end

Select first / select last card in list

page up / page down

Select first card on current page / next page

arrow right / arrow left

Select closest card in next / previous column

ctrl+spacebar

Select or cancel selection of active card

shift+arrow up / shift+arrow down

Extend selection to previous / next card

ctrl+shift+arrow up / ctrl+shift+arrow down

Extend selection to previous or next card, regardless of starting point

shift+home / shift+end

Extend selection to first / last card in list

shift+page up / shift+page down

Extend selection to first / last card on previous page

tab / shift+tab

Move to next / move to previous field

enter

Move to next field, or add line to multiline field

shift+enter

Move to previous field without leaving active card

f2

Display insertion point in active field to edit text

table end



table with 2 columns and 10 rows

9. Other Outlook 2010 Shortcut

Shortcut

Description

ctrl+alt+s

Define Send/Receive groups

shift+f9

Start send/receive for current folder, retrieving full items (header, item,
and any attachments)

ctrl+b

Display Send/Receive progress when send/receive is in progress

ctrl+alt+shift+f12

Save Form Design

ctrl+shift+f11

Save Form Data

ctrl+n when on InfoPath folder.

Create new InfoPath form

ctrl+shift+w

Select Message InfoBar and, if available, show menu of commands

alt+f11

Open Visual Basic Editor

alt+f8

Play Macro

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:56 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Need Shortcut Keys

OK.
There are those who make a precise distinction among shortcut keys, hot
keys, and accelerator keys. I don't think most people make that
distinction, and in this recommendation, I am not making that distinction
either, treating your request for shortcut keys as essentially a request for
keyboard equivalents to mouse clicks.
Anywhere within Office, to get a list of shortcut keys (hot keys) that JAWS
employs, press JAWS Key (insert) plus F-1. If you then press control plus
end, you will come to the end of a block of text. There, depending on the
application, you will get a couple of links that will take you to
JAWS-related shortcut keys or hotkeys.
If you are talking about shortcut keys that are entirely independent of
JAWS, but work with Office, you should know that the keyboard shortcuts for
mouse actions are easily found on the Internet. I'll let you look for them,
or perhaps someone else will send you a link.
I recently found a totally free resource for Office shortcuts in what seemed
to me like an odd place.
In the iPhone App Store, I was looking for something else when I found an
App called simply Office Shortcuts. It was free so, I installed it. It is,
as the name implies, a list of Office shortcuts (and they are the same
whether you are in 2003, 2007, or 2010). These do not depend on menus.
This little App is quite useful because you can try out all the functions
without having to switch back and forth inside the Office applications.
Also, always remember, in any Office application, you can always create your
own shortcut keys to perform virtually any function.
I know the iPhone reference is a bit off topic. Thus, I throw myself on the
mercy of the administrators.



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dani L Pagador
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:14 AM
To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Need Shortcut Keys

Hi, Everyone.

I'm working with my Win7 system that's got Office 2010, IE9, and JFW11, and
slowly making my way along what looks to be a long, frustrating learning
curve.

I can't seem to find any shortcuts for Office or IE9 in the JFW11 help.
There are general things written about MSOutlook and Word, but the specific
versions aren't addressed. Where would I need to go to get a list of
shortcuts?

Thanks,

Dani, who's gonna go find more chocolate



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Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I think you're exactly right. Some of the old DOS word processors
worked rather like that old AR. I recall DisplayWrite 3, 4, and 5 had
an upper limit of 4999 pages of text; pages 5000 and beyond were
reserved for footnotes, and this ran on an old 386 platform with 640K
plus high and expanded memory. The PDF reader produced in the UK by the
same company that gave us Thunder seems to work on documents of various
sizes, if you don't mind the fact that search capabilities are primitive
to nonexistent. The last time I tried FoxIt, it was a total bust.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 5:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Ted,
The long ago version that you are talking about worked in an entirely
different way than the current version. With the current version of the
reader, documents either load entirely into the virtual buffer or load a
page at a time. In addition to the problem of having to advance through
a large document by pages, you also have the problem of not being able
to use the JAWS search feature to find text beyond your current page in
the document. Don't think there's a fix.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


If anybody figures that one out, let me know immediately. Believe it
or
not, AR4 allowed you to do just that, but it's been a long time. That
was the first accessible version with the little plug-in.

Ted

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Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:56 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Hi
There's a spesific pdf doc that I'm trying to read and it's like 1200
pages. As you might know if you choose read entire document jaws
annalizes the entire document and loads it in to the computers ram.
Because of the size of this document it makes adobe reader crash every
time. The other option is to read currently visible pages only, my
question is, when reading currently visible pages only, can you still
get adobe reader to go to the next page automatically and get jaws to
annalize the pages as you go to the next one?

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Re: Need Shortcut Keys

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello there;

Perhaps the following will help you get started.


174 useful Keyboard Shortcuts for Outlook 2010.



(Click here to go back to Microsoft Outlook Shortcuts on shortcutworld.com)



http://www.shortcutworld.com/en/win/Outlook_2010.html



Outlook 2010 Shortcuts



table with 2 columns and 9 rows

1. Main Outlook Features

Shortcut

Description

ctrl+1

Switch to Mail

ctrl+2

Switch to Calendar

ctrl+3

Switch to Contacts

ctrl+4

Switch to Tasks

ctrl+5

Switch to Notes

ctrl+6

Switch to Folder List in Navigation Pane

ctrl+7

Switch to Shortcuts

ctrl+shift+b

Open Address Book

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2. Messages in Main View



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Main Window

Shortcut

Description

tab/shift+tab

Cycle forward / backward between screen elements (Navigation Pane, Message
List, Search, Reading Pane)

ctrl+shift+i

Go to Inbox folder

ctrl+shift+o

Go to Outbox folder

ctrl+y

Go to another folder as specified

f3 or ctrl+e

Go to Search box

ctrl+m or f9

Check for new messages

alt+arrow left / alt+arrow right

Go back to previous view / forward to next view

ctrl+n

Create new message

ctrl+shift+m

Create new message (from any Outlook view)

table end



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Navigation Pane

Shortcut

Description

arrow up / arrow down

Navigate downward / navigate upward in Navigation Pane. Press space or enter
to select. Press shift+tab and/or tab to jump between Message List and
Navigation

Pane

arrow left / arrow right

Collapse or expand group in message list

a...z

Jump to folder with letter typed. If more than one folder exists,
immediately continue typing second or third letter until reaching folder

f2

Rename folder

del

Delete folder

table end



table with 2 columns and 22 rows

Message List and Single Messages

Shortcut

Description

tab/shift+tab

Cycle forward / cycle backward between Screen Elements (e.g. Navigation
Pane, Message List, Search, Reading Pane)

arrow down / arrow up

Move down / move up between messages

arrow left / arrow right

Collapse / expand groups (e.g. week)

shift+arrow down / shift+arrow up

Select multiple adjacent messages

press and hold ctrl, arrow up/arrow down and space

Select multiple non-adjacent messages

ctrl+shift+v

Move message to folder

insert

Add Quick Flag to message

ctrl+shift+g

Add Custom Flag to message

ctrl+alt+j

Mark message as not junk

ctrl+q/ ctrl+u

Mark as read or unread

ctrl+alt+m

Mark for Download

ctrl+alt+u

Clear Mark for Download

ctrl+shift+w

Display blocked content menu. Press ctrl+shift+w, then p to download blocked
pictures/images.

alt+enter

Show email properties

ctrl+shift+s

Post to folder

ctrl+shift+y

Copy item to folder

spacebar/ shift+spacebar

Page down / page up through message text in Reading Pane

enter

Open message

ctrl+. / ctrl+,

Jump to next/previous message (in single message view)

ctrl+p

Print Message

Most Shortcuts work in Message List and when viewing single messages

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3. Messages in Compose View



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Manage Messages

Shortcut

Description

tab

Cycle between To, Cc, Subject, and Message Body

alt+m

Choose From account from which to send message

alt+u

Jump to subject

alt+s

Send

ctrl+s or shift+f12

Save Message

f12

Save Message as

ctrl+click

Jump to URI while in edit mode

ctrl+k

Insert hyperlink

alt+n, then af

Attach File / Insert File

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Shortcuts for Formatting Text

Shortcut

Description

ctrl+x / ctrl+c / ctrl+v

Cut/ copy/ paste

alt+o

Display Format menu

ctrl+shift+p

Display Font dialog box

shift+f3

Switch case between all upper, all lower, and first letter upper.

ctrl+shift+k

Switch case to/from small capitals

ctrl+b

Switch format to/from bold

ctrl+i

Switch format to/from italic

ctrl+u

Switch format to/from underline

ctrl+shift+l

Add/remove bullets

ctrl+l

Align left

ctrl+r

Align right

ctrl+e

Align center

ctrl+t/ ctrl+shift+t

Increase / decrease indent

ctrl+[/ ctrl+]

Increase / decrease font size (or use or ctrl+shift+;

ctrl+spacebar

Clear formatting (or use ctrl+shift+z)

ctrl+shift+h

Delete next word

ctrl+shift+j

Stretch paragraph to fit between margins

ctrl+shift+s

Apply styles

ctrl+t

Create hanging indent

ctrl+shift+t

Reduce hanging indent

ctrl+k

Insert hyperlink

ctrl+q

Remove paragraph formatting

table end



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4. Create Items

Shortcut

Description

ctrl+shift+a

Create appointment

ctrl+shift+c

Create contact

ctrl+shift+l

Create distribution list

ctrl+shift+x

Create fax

ctrl+shift+e

Create folder

ctrl+shift+j

Create Journal entry

ctrl+shift+q

Create meeting request

ctrl+shift+m

Create message

ctrl+shift+n

Create note

ctrl+shift+h

Create new Microsoft Office document

ctrl+shift+s

Post to this folder

ctrl+t

Post reply in this folder

ctrl+shift+p

Create Search Folder

ctrl+shift+k

Create task

ctrl+shift+u

Create task request

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5. Calendar Shortcuts



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Create and Manage Appointments

Shortcut

Description

tab / shift+tab

Select next/ select previous appointment in Calendar View

ctrl+n

Create new appointment (when in Calendar)

ctrl+shift+a

Create new appointment (in any Outlook view)

ctrl+shift+q

Create new meeting request

ctrl+g

Set up recurrence for an appointment or task

tab / shift+tab

Jump to next / previous input field

ctrl+f

Forward an appointment or meeting

ctrl+r

Reply to meeting request with message

ctrl+shift+r

Reply All to meeting request with message

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Calendar Views

Shortcut

Description

ctrl+alt+1

Switch to Day view

ctrl+alt+2

Switch to Work Week view

ctrl+alt+3

Switch to Full Week view

ctrl+alt+4

Switch to Month Week view

alt+1...0

View from 1 through 10 days

table end



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Navigate Calendar

Shortcut

Description

ctrl+tab or f6

Move between Calendar, TaskPad, and Folder List

tab / shift+tab

Select next/ select previous appointment

arrow left / arrow right

Go to previous / next day

arrow up / arrow down

Go up / down in current view

home / end

Go to beginning/end of current view

page up / page down

Jump one page up/ one page down

shift+arrow up / shift+arrow down

Day View: Extend / reduce selected time

alt+arrow down / alt+arrow up

Go to same day in next / previous week

alt+page down / alt+page up

Go to next or previous month

alt+home / alt+end

Go to start or end of week

ctrl+g

Go to date

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6. Contacts Shortcuts

Shortcut

Description

f3 or ctrl+e

Find contact or other item

f11

Enter name in Search Address Books box

shift+letter

In Table or List view of contacts, go to first contact that starts with
specific letter

ctrl+a

Select all contacts

ctrl+f

Create new message addressed to selected contact

ctrl+j

Create Journal entry for selected contact

ctrl+n

Create new contact (when in Contacts)

ctrl+shift+c

Create new contact (from any Outlook view)

ctrl+o or ctrl+shift+enter

Open contact form for selected contact

ctrl+shift+l

Create new distribution list

ctrl+p

Print

f5

Update list of distribution list members

ctrl+y

Go to different folder

ctrl+shift+b

Open Address Book

ctrl+shift+f

Use Advanced Find

ctrl+shift+.

In an open contact, open next contact listed

esc

Close contact

ctrl+shift+x

Open Web page for selected contact (if one is included)

alt+d

Open Check Address dialog box

alt+shift+1 .. 3

In contact form, under Internet, display message 1 .. 3 information

ctrl+shift+d

Dial new call

table end



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7. Tasks Shortcuts

Shortcut

Description

alt+f2

Show or hide To-Do Bar

alt+c

Accept task request

alt+d

Decline task request

ctrl+e

Find task or other item

ctrl+y

Open Go to Folder dialog box

ctrl+n

Create new task (when in Tasks)

ctrl+shift+k

Create new task (from any Outlook view)

ctrl+shift+u

Create new task request

ctrl+o

Open selected item

ctrl+p

Print selected item

ctrl+a

Select all items

ctrl+d

Delete selected item

ctrl+f

Forward task as an attachment

shift+tab

Switch between Navigation Pane, Tasks list, and To-Do Bar

ctrl+j

Open selected item as Journal item

ctrl+z

Undo last action

insert

Flag an item or mark complete

table end



table with 2 columns and 15 rows

8. Business Card View

Shortcut

Description

a-z

One or more letters of name that card is filed under or name of field that
you are sorting by will select specific card in list

arrow up / arrow down

Select previous / select next card

home / end

Select first / select last card in list

page up / page down

Select first card on current page / next page

arrow right / arrow left

Select closest card in next / previous column

ctrl+spacebar

Select or cancel selection of active card

shift+arrow up / shift+arrow down

Extend selection to previous / next card

ctrl+shift+arrow up / ctrl+shift+arrow down

Extend selection to previous or next card, regardless of starting point

shift+home / shift+end

Extend selection to first / last card in list

shift+page up / shift+page down

Extend selection to first / last card on previous page

tab / shift+tab

Move to next / move to previous field

enter

Move to next field, or add line to multiline field

shift+enter

Move to previous field without leaving active card

f2

Display insertion point in active field to edit text

table end



table with 2 columns and 10 rows

9. Other Outlook 2010 Shortcut

Shortcut

Description

ctrl+alt+s

Define Send/Receive groups

shift+f9

Start send/receive for current folder, retrieving full items (header, item,
and any attachments)

ctrl+b

Display Send/Receive progress when send/receive is in progress

ctrl+alt+shift+f12

Save Form Design

ctrl+shift+f11

Save Form Data

ctrl+n when on InfoPath folder.

Create new InfoPath form

ctrl+shift+w

Select Message InfoBar and, if available, show menu of commands

alt+f11

Open Visual Basic Editor

alt+f8

Play Macro

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:56 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Need Shortcut Keys

OK.
There are those who make a precise distinction among shortcut keys, hot
keys, and accelerator keys. I don't think most people make that
distinction, and in this recommendation, I am not making that distinction
either, treating your request for shortcut keys as essentially a request for
keyboard equivalents to mouse clicks.
Anywhere within Office, to get a list of shortcut keys (hot keys) that JAWS
employs, press JAWS Key (insert) plus F-1. If you then press control plus
end, you will come to the end of a block of text. There, depending on the
application, you will get a couple of links that will take you to
JAWS-related shortcut keys or hotkeys.
If you are talking about shortcut keys that are entirely independent of
JAWS, but work with Office, you should know that the keyboard shortcuts for
mouse actions are easily found on the Internet. I'll let you look for them,
or perhaps someone else will send you a link.
I recently found a totally free resource for Office shortcuts in what seemed
to me like an odd place.
In the iPhone App Store, I was looking for something else when I found an
App called simply Office Shortcuts. It was free so, I installed it. It is,
as the name implies, a list of Office shortcuts (and they are the same
whether you are in 2003, 2007, or 2010). These do not depend on menus.
This little App is quite useful because you can try out all the functions
without having to switch back and forth inside the Office applications.
Also, always remember, in any Office application, you can always create your
own shortcut keys to perform virtually any function.
I know the iPhone reference is a bit off topic. Thus, I throw myself on the
mercy of the administrators.



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dani L Pagador
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:14 AM
To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Need Shortcut Keys

Hi, Everyone.

I'm working with my Win7 system that's got Office 2010, IE9, and JFW11, and
slowly making my way along what looks to be a long, frustrating learning
curve.

I can't seem to find any shortcuts for Office or IE9 in the JFW11 help.
There are general things written about MSOutlook and Word, but the specific
versions aren't addressed. Where would I need to go to get a list of
shortcuts?

Thanks,

Dani, who's gonna go find more chocolate



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Re: Need Shortcut Keys

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

OK.
There are those who make a precise distinction among shortcut keys, hot keys, and accelerator keys. I don't think most people make that distinction, and in this recommendation, I am not making that distinction either, treating your request for shortcut keys as essentially a request for keyboard equivalents to mouse clicks.
Anywhere within Office, to get a list of shortcut keys (hot keys) that JAWS employs, press JAWS Key (insert) plus F-1. If you then press control plus end, you will come to the end of a block of text. There, depending on the application, you will get a couple of links that will take you to JAWS-related shortcut keys or hotkeys.
If you are talking about shortcut keys that are entirely independent of JAWS, but work with Office, you should know that the keyboard shortcuts for mouse actions are easily found on the Internet. I'll let you look for them, or perhaps someone else will send you a link.
I recently found a totally free resource for Office shortcuts in what seemed to me like an odd place.
In the iPhone App Store, I was looking for something else when I found an App called simply Office Shortcuts. It was free so, I installed it. It is, as the name implies, a list of Office shortcuts (and they are the same whether you are in 2003, 2007, or 2010). These do not depend on menus.
This little App is quite useful because you can try out all the functions without having to switch back and forth inside the Office applications.
Also, always remember, in any Office application, you can always create your own shortcut keys to perform virtually any function.
I know the iPhone reference is a bit off topic. Thus, I throw myself on the mercy of the administrators.

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To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Need Shortcut Keys

Hi, Everyone.

I'm working with my Win7 system that's got Office 2010, IE9, and JFW11, and
slowly making my way along what looks to be a long, frustrating learning
curve.

I can't seem to find any shortcuts for Office or IE9 in the JFW11 help.
There are general things written about MSOutlook and Word, but the specific
versions aren't addressed. Where would I need to go to get a list of
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Re: Need Shortcut Keys

 

Hi,
For proper use of these programs, it is recommended to use JAWS 12 and above. Sorry. Or, if you want the shortcuts, I suggest looking at JAWS 13 help files from Freedom Scientific.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Subject: Need Shortcut Keys

Hi, Everyone.

I'm working with my Win7 system that's got Office 2010, IE9, and JFW11, and
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curve.

I can't seem to find any shortcuts for Office or IE9 in the JFW11 help.
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Need Shortcut Keys

Dani Pagador
 

Hi, Everyone.

I'm working with my Win7 system that's got Office 2010, IE9, and JFW11, and
slowly making my way along what looks to be a long, frustrating learning
curve.

I can't seem to find any shortcuts for Office or IE9 in the JFW11 help.
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versions aren't addressed. Where would I need to go to get a list of
shortcuts?

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Re: IE 8 verses Firefox 11

Soronel Haetir
 

Just the selection of plugins really (webvisum in particular) makes me
prefer Firefox for general use.

But there are a few Microsoft sites that really do work better with IE
and so I switch for those.

On 4/9/12, Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@gmail.com> wrote:
What is ecosystem for?
Thanks,
Angela.


Il 10/04/2012 07:57, Soronel Haetir ha scritto:
Honestly, both work pretty well with most sites.

I use Firefox most of the time, but that's mostly because I prefer the
Firefox plugin ecosystem than because I have accessibility trouble
with one or the other.

On 4/9/12, Dondi from the valley of the sun<zidnod63@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone,



I'm looking for opinions as to how does IE 8 compare with Firefox 11? Is
Firefox 11 JAWS 13 accessible? And has anyone moved from IE 8 to Firefox
11
and likes it better?



And I have always heard that IE 9 was something to avoid because of the
inaccessibility with JAWS 13. Is this still true?



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Re: IE 8 verses Firefox 11

Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@...>
 

What is ecosystem for?
Thanks,
Angela.

Il 10/04/2012 07:57, Soronel Haetir ha scritto:
Honestly, both work pretty well with most sites.

I use Firefox most of the time, but that's mostly because I prefer the
Firefox plugin ecosystem than because I have accessibility trouble
with one or the other.

On 4/9/12, Dondi from the valley of the sun<zidnod63@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone,



I'm looking for opinions as to how does IE 8 compare with Firefox 11? Is
Firefox 11 JAWS 13 accessible? And has anyone moved from IE 8 to Firefox 11
and likes it better?



And I have always heard that IE 9 was something to avoid because of the
inaccessibility with JAWS 13. Is this still true?



Dondi

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And we are the dreamers of dreams.



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Re: IE 8 verses Firefox 11

Soronel Haetir
 

Honestly, both work pretty well with most sites.

I use Firefox most of the time, but that's mostly because I prefer the
Firefox plugin ecosystem than because I have accessibility trouble
with one or the other.

On 4/9/12, Dondi from the valley of the sun <zidnod63@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone,



I'm looking for opinions as to how does IE 8 compare with Firefox 11? Is
Firefox 11 JAWS 13 accessible? And has anyone moved from IE 8 to Firefox 11
and likes it better?



And I have always heard that IE 9 was something to avoid because of the
inaccessibility with JAWS 13. Is this still true?



Dondi

We are the music makers,

And we are the dreamers of dreams.



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Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Soronel Haetir
 

Nope, this system has 32gb ram and I still have problems with PDF
files over 600 pages or so. The PDF format is just not all that great
for on-line reading. That was true when I could see and it is even
more true now that I can not.

On 4/9/12, epierce@surewest.net <epierce@surewest.net> wrote:
Perhaps significantly increasing the size of the operating system "swap
file" would help?

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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:56 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Hi
There's a spesific pdf doc that I'm trying to read and it's like 1200
pages. As you might know if you choose read entire document jaws
annalizes the entire document and loads it in to the computers ram.
Because of the size of this document it makes adobe reader crash every
time.
...


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IE 8 verses Firefox 11

Dondi
 

Hi Everyone,



I'm looking for opinions as to how does IE 8 compare with Firefox 11? Is
Firefox 11 JAWS 13 accessible? And has anyone moved from IE 8 to Firefox 11
and likes it better?



And I have always heard that IE 9 was something to avoid because of the
inaccessibility with JAWS 13. Is this still true?



Dondi

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Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

epierce@...
 

Perhaps significantly increasing the size of the operating system "swap file" would help?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:56 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Hi
There's a spesific pdf doc that I'm trying to read and it's like 1200
pages. As you might know if you choose read entire document jaws
annalizes the entire document and loads it in to the computers ram.
Because of the size of this document it makes adobe reader crash every
time.
...