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Re: Jaws retaining settings

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

Hi Adrian,

Maybe I should change the subject line to Jaws not retaining settings. lol.

Well, XP and Word 2003 aren't dead yet. The employer I am starting with
requires that combination. So, until all industries move on, it's still a
platform that is in considerable use. Right now I'm a happy camper and quite
glad I didn't get around to upgrading yet. I do like Word 2003 and dread the
day when I am forced to make the leap.

Jean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:21 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws retaining settings


Hi, Jean.

I am also an Office 2003 hanger-on, and so I, too, would find this kind of
solution resorting to an old version of JAWS for a solution - ironic and
irritating. But in fairness, JAWS 13 was released not even in the 2007 era,
but the 2010 version of Office. I know my days of staying with my Dinosaur
applications are numbered, and FS will soon leave 2003 in its wake.

That said, Dave Carlson's comment that he experiences instability with the
combination of JAWS 13 and later Office versions is not acceptable. I'm sure
he's right because he's a lumberjack and he's okay.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 6:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings

Dave and all,

Ug, I finally went back to Jaws 8 for this project. Just another example of
why multiple versions of Jaws are needed. Word behaved beautifully, and all
went well with Jaws 8. Too bad it has to be this way.

Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar the Lumberjack" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings


Jean,

That's a very good description of what I experience on a daily basis, with
many different applications. It does appear that JAWS "forgets" its settings
as I switch around in various windows during my workday. I usually notice it
first when JAWS stops reading highlighted text, and requires me to use the
Insert+7 keystroke to read the current item.

That's when I usually let out an audible sigh, kill JAWS and reload.

This was not an issue with JAWS 11 on my old XP machine. So I don't know if
its more due to Windows 7 or to JAWS 13, but I'd suspect the latter.

Write to FS and give them a couple scenarios. I doubt they'll be able to
replicate your exact results, but I'll bet that power users inside the FS
organization have already suffered the same issues.

I call it the "JAWS Getting Tired" syndrome.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "JFW list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 08:46
Subject: Jaws retaining settings


A situation that is driving me crazy. I'm using Jaws 13, Word 2003, and
Duxbury 11.1 or whatever its most up-to-date version is. I'm working on
creating braille documents of some Word docs. My preferred method is to use
the braille template in Word, coding the document, and then as needed, pop
it into DBT with the DBT menu. This then means a lot of back and forth
between looking at the braille as I'm working, and then switching back to
the Word doc to continue.

What I'm finding is that my Jaws settings for Word very quickly get messed
up when I am alt-tabbing between documents. For example, I have styles and
attributes set to be announced, and very quickly, they are not announced. It
then very quickly gets so bad that the standard arrow keys don't read text
either. The solution seems to be to restart Word every 10 minutes or so.

Do others experience this a lot when doing a lot of document switching? Any
solutions? I noticed this unstable behaviour many versions ago, and I'm
horrified that it is still happening. Jaws 8 didn't do this, and I'd go back
to that if it worked with IE 8, but it doesn't.

Jean
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Re: Jaws retaining settings

Dave...
 

Adrian,

And more to the point is that the switching does not necessarily relate to
MS-Office applications. It can get "tired" with IE, Adobe, Windows Mail. I
don't think it's specific to MS-Office. So now I'll just cut this short with
a stroke of the axe.

I sleep all night, and I work all day.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 19:21
Subject: RE: Jaws retaining settings


Hi, Jean.

I am also an Office 2003 hanger-on, and so I, too, would find this kind of
solution resorting to an old version of JAWS for a solution - ironic and
irritating. But in fairness, JAWS 13 was released not even in the 2007 era,
but the 2010 version of Office. I know my days of staying with my Dinosaur
applications are numbered, and FS will soon leave 2003 in its wake.

That said, Dave Carlson's comment that he experiences instability with the
combination of JAWS 13 and later Office versions is not acceptable. I'm sure
he's right because he's a lumberjack and he's okay.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 6:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings

Dave and all,

Ug, I finally went back to Jaws 8 for this project. Just another example of
why multiple versions of Jaws are needed. Word behaved beautifully, and all
went well with Jaws 8. Too bad it has to be this way.

Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar the Lumberjack" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings


Jean,

That's a very good description of what I experience on a daily basis, with
many different applications. It does appear that JAWS "forgets" its settings
as I switch around in various windows during my workday. I usually notice it
first when JAWS stops reading highlighted text, and requires me to use the
Insert+7 keystroke to read the current item.

That's when I usually let out an audible sigh, kill JAWS and reload.

This was not an issue with JAWS 11 on my old XP machine. So I don't know if
its more due to Windows 7 or to JAWS 13, but I'd suspect the latter.

Write to FS and give them a couple scenarios. I doubt they'll be able to
replicate your exact results, but I'll bet that power users inside the FS
organization have already suffered the same issues.

I call it the "JAWS Getting Tired" syndrome.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "JFW list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 08:46
Subject: Jaws retaining settings


A situation that is driving me crazy. I'm using Jaws 13, Word 2003, and
Duxbury 11.1 or whatever its most up-to-date version is. I'm working on
creating braille documents of some Word docs. My preferred method is to use
the braille template in Word, coding the document, and then as needed, pop
it into DBT with the DBT menu. This then means a lot of back and forth
between looking at the braille as I'm working, and then switching back to
the Word doc to continue.

What I'm finding is that my Jaws settings for Word very quickly get messed
up when I am alt-tabbing between documents. For example, I have styles and
attributes set to be announced, and very quickly, they are not announced. It
then very quickly gets so bad that the standard arrow keys don't read text
either. The solution seems to be to restart Word every 10 minutes or so.

Do others experience this a lot when doing a lot of document switching? Any
solutions? I noticed this unstable behaviour many versions ago, and I'm
horrified that it is still happening. Jaws 8 didn't do this, and I'd go back
to that if it worked with IE 8, but it doesn't.

Jean
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Re: Jaws retaining settings

Adrian Spratt
 

Hi, Jean.

I am also an Office 2003 hanger-on, and so I, too, would find this kind of
solution resorting to an old version of JAWS for a solution - ironic and
irritating. But in fairness, JAWS 13 was released not even in the 2007 era,
but the 2010 version of Office. I know my days of staying with my Dinosaur
applications are numbered, and FS will soon leave 2003 in its wake.

That said, Dave Carlson's comment that he experiences instability with the
combination of JAWS 13 and later Office versions is not acceptable. I'm sure
he's right because he's a lumberjack and he's okay.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 6:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings

Dave and all,

Ug, I finally went back to Jaws 8 for this project. Just another example of
why multiple versions of Jaws are needed. Word behaved beautifully, and all
went well with Jaws 8. Too bad it has to be this way.

Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar the Lumberjack" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings


Jean,

That's a very good description of what I experience on a daily basis, with
many different applications. It does appear that JAWS "forgets" its settings
as I switch around in various windows during my workday. I usually notice it
first when JAWS stops reading highlighted text, and requires me to use the
Insert+7 keystroke to read the current item.

That's when I usually let out an audible sigh, kill JAWS and reload.

This was not an issue with JAWS 11 on my old XP machine. So I don't know if
its more due to Windows 7 or to JAWS 13, but I'd suspect the latter.

Write to FS and give them a couple scenarios. I doubt they'll be able to
replicate your exact results, but I'll bet that power users inside the FS
organization have already suffered the same issues.

I call it the "JAWS Getting Tired" syndrome.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "JFW list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 08:46
Subject: Jaws retaining settings


A situation that is driving me crazy. I'm using Jaws 13, Word 2003, and
Duxbury 11.1 or whatever its most up-to-date version is. I'm working on
creating braille documents of some Word docs. My preferred method is to use
the braille template in Word, coding the document, and then as needed, pop
it into DBT with the DBT menu. This then means a lot of back and forth
between looking at the braille as I'm working, and then switching back to
the Word doc to continue.

What I'm finding is that my Jaws settings for Word very quickly get messed
up when I am alt-tabbing between documents. For example, I have styles and
attributes set to be announced, and very quickly, they are not announced. It
then very quickly gets so bad that the standard arrow keys don't read text
either. The solution seems to be to restart Word every 10 minutes or so.

Do others experience this a lot when doing a lot of document switching? Any
solutions? I noticed this unstable behaviour many versions ago, and I'm
horrified that it is still happening. Jaws 8 didn't do this, and I'd go back
to that if it worked with IE 8, but it doesn't.

Jean
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Re: JFW11 No active window on startup

Adrian Spratt
 

Absolutely. Glad you caught it.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar the Valiant Voyager
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JFW11 No active window on startup

Adrian,

I just caught this...didn't you mean Windows+M to get to the Desktop? Yes,
it's a habit for me, as well.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 09:21
Subject: RE: JFW11 No active window on startup


I'm in such a habit of press control-m whenever I want to move focus to the
desktop that I don't experience this change as a problem. I recall posts
complaining about the increased instances of "no window is focus" messages
in JAWS 11, but no suggestions for fixing it.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marion Woods
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:06 PM
To: JFW JAWS List
Subject: JFW11 No active window on startup

Hi all,

Running JFW11 with Windows XP, after start up or exiting an application, I
end
up with no focus on the desktop, and have to use the windows key plus M
to
focus back to the desktop, this never happened with my previous version's of
JFW
6.2 and JFW11, any help would be apreciated

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Re: Jaws retaining settings

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

Dave and all,

Ug, I finally went back to Jaws 8 for this project. Just another example of
why multiple versions of Jaws are needed. Word behaved beautifully, and all
went well with Jaws 8. Too bad it has to be this way.

Jean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar the Lumberjack" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings


Jean,

That's a very good description of what I experience on a daily basis, with
many different applications. It does appear that JAWS "forgets" its settings
as I switch around in various windows during my workday. I usually notice it
first when JAWS stops reading highlighted text, and requires me to use the
Insert+7 keystroke to read the current item.

That's when I usually let out an audible sigh, kill JAWS and reload.

This was not an issue with JAWS 11 on my old XP machine. So I don't know if
its more due to Windows 7 or to JAWS 13, but I'd suspect the latter.

Write to FS and give them a couple scenarios. I doubt they'll be able to
replicate your exact results, but I'll bet that power users inside the FS
organization have already suffered the same issues.

I call it the "JAWS Getting Tired" syndrome.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "JFW list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 08:46
Subject: Jaws retaining settings


A situation that is driving me crazy. I'm using Jaws 13, Word 2003, and
Duxbury 11.1 or whatever its most up-to-date version is. I'm working on
creating braille documents of some Word docs. My preferred method is to use
the braille template in Word, coding the document, and then as needed, pop
it into DBT with the DBT menu. This then means a lot of back and forth
between looking at the braille as I'm working, and then switching back to
the Word doc to continue.

What I'm finding is that my Jaws settings for Word very quickly get messed
up when I am alt-tabbing between documents. For example, I have styles and
attributes set to be announced, and very quickly, they are not announced. It
then very quickly gets so bad that the standard arrow keys don't read text
either. The solution seems to be to restart Word every 10 minutes or so.

Do others experience this a lot when doing a lot of document switching? Any
solutions? I noticed this unstable behaviour many versions ago, and I'm
horrified that it is still happening. Jaws 8 didn't do this, and I'd go back
to that if it worked with IE 8, but it doesn't.

Jean
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Re: Jaws 13!

Dave...
 

Claudia,

Yes the Video Intercept Error needs to be corrected before JAWS will work
properly.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 14:21
Subject: Jaws 13!


Hello,

on my job, they are attempting to load Jaws 13, on a Windows XP Pro Dell
machine.
First, the software was dnstalled remotely, via our IT department in
another part of the state.
When you turn on our computers, you have to log in, in order to use it,
with a user name and password. That is to get into the database!
However, Jaws doesn't speak until after you log in!


But, here are my questions. The authorization hasn't been installed
yet, so we get a Jaws video intercept error. Would this explain the
reason why I can't even use the arrow keys to get to the different
programs, on the system. When I press the Windows key, nothing
happens. So, basically, the computer is unuseable.
Will correcting the Jaws Video Intercept error and the authorization
correct this problem, once they've been corrected?

Claudia


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Jaws 13!

Claudia
 

Hello,

on my job, they are attempting to load Jaws 13, on a Windows XP Pro Dell machine.
First, the software was dnstalled remotely, via our IT department in another part of the state.
When you turn on our computers, you have to log in, in order to use it, with a user name and password. That is to get into the database!
However, Jaws doesn't speak until after you log in!


But, here are my questions. The authorization hasn't been installed yet, so we get a Jaws video intercept error. Would this explain the reason why I can't even use the arrow keys to get to the different programs, on the system. When I press the Windows key, nothing happens. So, basically, the computer is unuseable.
Will correcting the Jaws Video Intercept error and the authorization correct this problem, once they've been corrected?

Claudia


Re: JFW11 No active window on startup

Dave...
 

Adrian,

I just caught this...didn't you mean Windows+M to get to the Desktop? Yes,
it's a habit for me, as well.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 09:21
Subject: RE: JFW11 No active window on startup


I'm in such a habit of press control-m whenever I want to move focus to the
desktop that I don't experience this change as a problem. I recall posts
complaining about the increased instances of "no window is focus" messages
in JAWS 11, but no suggestions for fixing it.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marion Woods
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:06 PM
To: JFW JAWS List
Subject: JFW11 No active window on startup

Hi all,

Running JFW11 with Windows XP, after start up or exiting an application, I
end
up with no focus on the desktop, and have to use the windows key plus M
to
focus back to the desktop, this never happened with my previous version's of
JFW
6.2 and JFW11, any help would be apreciated

Marion



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Re: JFW11 No active window on startup

Marion Woods <marion_woods38@...>
 

Thanks Farfar,

Yep, that makes sence.

Marion

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar the Lumberjack" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: JFW11 No active window on startup


It's been like this since JAWS 12, I believe. The "no focus" is a new
message introduced to help users understand that JAWS can find nothing to
focus on. It does requires an Alt+Tab or Windows+M to get things back into
focus. In the old days, we heard nothing, and this at least tells us why we
used to hear nothing. It's sort of like that questionable message you
sometimes see on a page "This page intentionally left blank". Which begs the
question: Well, since you wrote something on it, it's no longer blank, is
it?

Okay, enough Möbius-Twisted philosophy for one day, eh?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marion Woods" <marion_woods38@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "JFW JAWS List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 09:05
Subject: JFW11 No active window on startup


Hi all,

Running JFW11 with Windows XP, after start up or exiting an application, I
end
up with no focus on the desktop, and have to use the windows key plus M
to
focus back to the desktop, this never happened with my previous version's of
JFW
6.2 and JFW11, any help would be apreciated

Marion



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Re: JFW11 No active window on startup

Marion Woods <marion_woods38@...>
 

thanks Adrian, oh well never mind I have got used to it as well, its just I
imagined it must have been fixed by now, its no big deal just irritating.

Marion

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:21 PM
Subject: RE: JFW11 No active window on startup


I'm in such a habit of press control-m whenever I want to move focus to the
desktop that I don't experience this change as a problem. I recall posts
complaining about the increased instances of "no window is focus" messages
in JAWS 11, but no suggestions for fixing it.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marion Woods
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:06 PM
To: JFW JAWS List
Subject: JFW11 No active window on startup

Hi all,

Running JFW11 with Windows XP, after start up or exiting an application, I
end
up with no focus on the desktop, and have to use the windows key plus M
to
focus back to the desktop, this never happened with my previous version's of
JFW
6.2 and JFW11, any help would be apreciated

Marion



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Re: JFW11 No active window on startup

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

One of the cool things about 7 so far is the desktop is always there, a real stroke saver, if you launch a lot from it.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar the Lumberjack
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JFW11 No active window on startup

It's been like this since JAWS 12, I believe. The "no focus" is a new message introduced to help users understand that JAWS can find nothing to focus on. It does requires an Alt+Tab or Windows+M to get things back into focus. In the old days, we heard nothing, and this at least tells us why we used to hear nothing. It's sort of like that questionable message you sometimes see on a page "This page intentionally left blank". Which begs the
question: Well, since you wrote something on it, it's no longer blank, is it?

Okay, enough Möbius-Twisted philosophy for one day, eh?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marion Woods" <marion_woods38@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "JFW JAWS List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 09:05
Subject: JFW11 No active window on startup


Hi all,

Running JFW11 with Windows XP, after start up or exiting an application, I
end
up with no focus on the desktop, and have to use the windows key plus M
to
focus back to the desktop, this never happened with my previous version's of
JFW
6.2 and JFW11, any help would be apreciated

Marion



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Re: Jaws retaining settings

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

Hi Dave,

I complained about this way back with Jaws 10 when I had that version on a
work site. But getting tired? Ah, then Jaws has no work ethic. lol. I'm
running Windows XP. Makes it pretty tough to do real work when I can't keep
specific settings up. I wonder what would happen if I try and put these Word
settings in the default settings rather in application specific? Just
wondering.

Jean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar the Lumberjack" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings


Jean,

That's a very good description of what I experience on a daily basis, with
many different applications. It does appear that JAWS "forgets" its settings
as I switch around in various windows during my workday. I usually notice it
first when JAWS stops reading highlighted text, and requires me to use the
Insert+7 keystroke to read the current item.

That's when I usually let out an audible sigh, kill JAWS and reload.

This was not an issue with JAWS 11 on my old XP machine. So I don't know if
its more due to Windows 7 or to JAWS 13, but I'd suspect the latter.

Write to FS and give them a couple scenarios. I doubt they'll be able to
replicate your exact results, but I'll bet that power users inside the FS
organization have already suffered the same issues.

I call it the "JAWS Getting Tired" syndrome.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "JFW list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 08:46
Subject: Jaws retaining settings


A situation that is driving me crazy. I'm using Jaws 13, Word 2003, and
Duxbury 11.1 or whatever its most up-to-date version is. I'm working on
creating braille documents of some Word docs. My preferred method is to use
the braille template in Word, coding the document, and then as needed, pop
it into DBT with the DBT menu. This then means a lot of back and forth
between looking at the braille as I'm working, and then switching back to
the Word doc to continue.

What I'm finding is that my Jaws settings for Word very quickly get messed
up when I am alt-tabbing between documents. For example, I have styles and
attributes set to be announced, and very quickly, they are not announced. It
then very quickly gets so bad that the standard arrow keys don't read text
either. The solution seems to be to restart Word every 10 minutes or so.

Do others experience this a lot when doing a lot of document switching? Any
solutions? I noticed this unstable behaviour many versions ago, and I'm
horrified that it is still happening. Jaws 8 didn't do this, and I'd go back
to that if it worked with IE 8, but it doesn't.

Jean
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Re: JFW11 No active window on startup

Dave...
 

It's been like this since JAWS 12, I believe. The "no focus" is a new
message introduced to help users understand that JAWS can find nothing to
focus on. It does requires an Alt+Tab or Windows+M to get things back into
focus. In the old days, we heard nothing, and this at least tells us why we
used to hear nothing. It's sort of like that questionable message you
sometimes see on a page "This page intentionally left blank". Which begs the
question: Well, since you wrote something on it, it's no longer blank, is
it?

Okay, enough Möbius-Twisted philosophy for one day, eh?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marion Woods" <marion_woods38@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "JFW JAWS List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 09:05
Subject: JFW11 No active window on startup


Hi all,

Running JFW11 with Windows XP, after start up or exiting an application, I
end
up with no focus on the desktop, and have to use the windows key plus M
to
focus back to the desktop, this never happened with my previous version's of
JFW
6.2 and JFW11, any help would be apreciated

Marion



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Re: Jaws retaining settings

Dave...
 

Jean,

That's a very good description of what I experience on a daily basis, with
many different applications. It does appear that JAWS "forgets" its settings
as I switch around in various windows during my workday. I usually notice it
first when JAWS stops reading highlighted text, and requires me to use the
Insert+7 keystroke to read the current item.

That's when I usually let out an audible sigh, kill JAWS and reload.

This was not an issue with JAWS 11 on my old XP machine. So I don't know if
its more due to Windows 7 or to JAWS 13, but I'd suspect the latter.

Write to FS and give them a couple scenarios. I doubt they'll be able to
replicate your exact results, but I'll bet that power users inside the FS
organization have already suffered the same issues.

I call it the "JAWS Getting Tired" syndrome.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "JFW list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 08:46
Subject: Jaws retaining settings


A situation that is driving me crazy. I'm using Jaws 13, Word 2003, and
Duxbury 11.1 or whatever its most up-to-date version is. I'm working on
creating braille documents of some Word docs. My preferred method is to use
the braille template in Word, coding the document, and then as needed, pop
it into DBT with the DBT menu. This then means a lot of back and forth
between looking at the braille as I'm working, and then switching back to
the Word doc to continue.

What I'm finding is that my Jaws settings for Word very quickly get messed
up when I am alt-tabbing between documents. For example, I have styles and
attributes set to be announced, and very quickly, they are not announced. It
then very quickly gets so bad that the standard arrow keys don't read text
either. The solution seems to be to restart Word every 10 minutes or so.

Do others experience this a lot when doing a lot of document switching? Any
solutions? I noticed this unstable behaviour many versions ago, and I'm
horrified that it is still happening. Jaws 8 didn't do this, and I'd go back
to that if it worked with IE 8, but it doesn't.

Jean
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Re: JFW11 No active window on startup

Adrian Spratt
 

I'm in such a habit of press control-m whenever I want to move focus to the
desktop that I don't experience this change as a problem. I recall posts
complaining about the increased instances of "no window is focus" messages
in JAWS 11, but no suggestions for fixing it.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marion Woods
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:06 PM
To: JFW JAWS List
Subject: JFW11 No active window on startup

Hi all,

Running JFW11 with Windows XP, after start up or exiting an application, I
end
up with no focus on the desktop, and have to use the windows key plus M
to
focus back to the desktop, this never happened with my previous version's of
JFW
6.2 and JFW11, any help would be apreciated

Marion



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Re: On Mouse Over!

Adrian Spratt
 

Press control-JAWS key-plus sign on the numpad.

JAWS will announce either of two things:

1. It will tell you the line number where the options appear. In this case,
press j followed by the number to go to that line.

2. JAWS will say it has detected no change in behavior. In effect, it is
saying false alarm and sorry for wasting your time.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 11:07 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: On Mouse Over!

Hi,

How do I manage On Mouse Over links in JFW 12?
I am trying to complete my employee timesheet, but there appear to be a
great deal of these types of links on the page.

Thanks.

Claudia


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JFW11 No active window on startup

Marion Woods <marion_woods38@...>
 

Hi all,

Running JFW11 with Windows XP, after start up or exiting an application, I end
up with no focus on the desktop, and have to use the windows key plus M to
focus back to the desktop, this never happened with my previous version's of JFW
6.2 and JFW11, any help would be apreciated

Marion


Jaws retaining settings

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

A situation that is driving me crazy. I'm using Jaws 13, Word 2003, and Duxbury 11.1 or whatever its most up-to-date version is. I'm working on creating braille documents of some Word docs. My preferred method is to use the braille template in Word, coding the document, and then as needed, pop it into DBT with the DBT menu. This then means a lot of back and forth between looking at the braille as I'm working, and then switching back to the Word doc to continue.

What I'm finding is that my Jaws settings for Word very quickly get messed up when I am alt-tabbing between documents. For example, I have styles and attributes set to be announced, and very quickly, they are not announced. It then very quickly gets so bad that the standard arrow keys don't read text either. The solution seems to be to restart Word every 10 minutes or so.

Do others experience this a lot when doing a lot of document switching? Any solutions? I noticed this unstable behaviour many versions ago, and I'm horrified that it is still happening. Jaws 8 didn't do this, and I'd go back to that if it worked with IE 8, but it doesn't.

Jean
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On Mouse Over!

Claudia
 

Hi,

How do I manage On Mouse Over links in JFW 12?
I am trying to complete my employee timesheet, but there appear to be a great deal of these types of links on the page.

Thanks.

Claudia


Re: JFW13, IE9, and Downloading

Dani Pagador
 

Hi.
I think the separate window comes up to be able to see what's been
downloaded previously. Is there a way to hide this wondow so I can see the
dialog box and do want I need to?
Thanks,
Dani

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:48 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JFW13, IE9, and Downloading

Once you click on the link or button to download wait a second or 2 and then
press alt + N. Then you'll get run, save or cancel, you can also tab around
or arrow around to open your downloads in a sepirate window and stop or
pause the download.

On 4/13/12, Dani L Pagador <axs.brl@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Chris.
Ctrl+j to save as opposed to Alt+s?
Thanks,
Dani

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:11 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JFW13, IE9, and Downloading

alt+s almost always works for me.
Try CONTROL+J

At 09:49 AM 4/13/2012, you wrote:
Hi, Everyone.

How would I go about downloading a file using IE9 and JFW13? (I've got
a
Win7 64-bit computer).

In previous versions of IE, I could tab to the Save button and press
it with the spacebar and the download would go off without a hitch. Or
I could Alt-s and get the download to happen that way, too.

Now I can't Alt-s or if I find the Save button with the JFW cursor,
the spacebar doesn't seem to do anything.

I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks,

Dani

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