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Re: Method to the FS Madness

Dave...
 

Ed,

Good detective work, and yes it makes sense how these keystrokes could
change based on the state of virtual cursor. Now the question still remains:

If I was on the web page and in virtual mode and there was a graphic I
wanted to auto-label (sorry for the run-on) -- how would I do it?

I guess I'd have to route JAWS to the virtual cursor first, and then invoke
the auto-graphic label function.

I think the snakes of Freedom Medusa's hair are becoming more entangled, as
FS tries to accommodate every situation to a keystroke. There are an
infinite number of elements one could wish to have controlled by a
keystroke, but a finite number of keystrokes possible with only 8 fingers
and two thumbs. And only a few modifier keys on a standard keyboard.

From my perspective, and from the perspective of still being royally ticked
with FS's debacle with Excel, I would greatly appreciate them not taking
away key combinations in the interest of creating new ones.

FS -- are you reading? Get some hair-straightener and design consistent
code.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 8:01
Subject: Method to the FS Madness


Recently, there was a thread on this list discussing use of control plus
JAWS key (insert) plus g.
It seems that the command performs two functions. This seemed to me like a
blatant inconsistency. Well, there is still an inconsistency, but I
accidentally discovered a method to Freedom Scientific's madness.
Within Internet Explorer, and presumably FireFox as well, so-called quick
keys permit one to jump to various elements, both forward and backward.
Those keys are h for header, b for button, r for radio button, g for
graphic, I for item in a list, t for table, and so on. There are a bunch of
them. Add the shift key to any of the foregoing to jump backwards.
The JAWS help system says that any of these quick keys can be converted into
a command to display a list of the selected element just by using control
plus JAWS key (insert) with the letter.
So, control plus insert plus t will produce a list of tables.
But wait a minute!
Control plus insert plus b is the command for Braille options. Control plus
insert plus g is the graphics labeler. Aren't there bound to be
inconsistencies?
So, I ran a little test.
To my surprise, when I pressed control plus insert plus b, even within
Internet Explorer, I got Braille options.
Now, some of you doubtless think I'm about as dense as a Mahogany desk, but
it didn't occur to me immediately what the problem was. Initially, I just
thought FS was flakey. Well, that may be true, but not because of pure
inconsistency with these commands. After trying control plus insert plus b,
I tried control plus insert plus g. Guess what? The graphics labeler started
up.
Then the dawn of understanding illuminated my darkened mind. I had
automatic forms mode turned on, and my cursor was sitting in an edit field.
When I moved out of the edit box and the virtual cursor took over, control
plus insert plus g produced, as expected, a list of graphics. Control plus
insert plus b produced a list of buttons.
So, even within Internet Explorer, the keystrokes can produce completely
different results, depending upon whether or not the virtual cursor is
active. If the virtual cursor is on, insert plus control plus a quick key
will produce a list of the elements related to the quick key. If, however,
forms mode is on, whether triggered automatically or manually invoked, these
keystrokes will produce the results one would expect outside the Internet.
So, when one drills down far enough, there is, indeed, a method to Freedom
Scientific's madness.
Of course, that this whole thing troubled me so much probably gives you
cause to think I'm mad too, but for those who are curious (or as mad as I
am), this sort of makes sense.

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Method to the FS Madness

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Recently, there was a thread on this list discussing use of control plus JAWS key (insert) plus g.
It seems that the command performs two functions. This seemed to me like a blatant inconsistency. Well, there is still an inconsistency, but I accidentally discovered a method to Freedom Scientific's madness.
Within Internet Explorer, and presumably FireFox as well, so-called quick keys permit one to jump to various elements, both forward and backward. Those keys are h for header, b for button, r for radio button, g for graphic, I for item in a list, t for table, and so on. There are a bunch of them. Add the shift key to any of the foregoing to jump backwards.
The JAWS help system says that any of these quick keys can be converted into a command to display a list of the selected element just by using control plus JAWS key (insert) with the letter.
So, control plus insert plus t will produce a list of tables.
But wait a minute!
Control plus insert plus b is the command for Braille options. Control plus insert plus g is the graphics labeler. Aren't there bound to be inconsistencies?
So, I ran a little test.
To my surprise, when I pressed control plus insert plus b, even within Internet Explorer, I got Braille options.
Now, some of you doubtless think I'm about as dense as a Mahogany desk, but it didn't occur to me immediately what the problem was. Initially, I just thought FS was flakey. Well, that may be true, but not because of pure inconsistency with these commands. After trying control plus insert plus b, I tried control plus insert plus g. Guess what? The graphics labeler started up.
Then the dawn of understanding illuminated my darkened mind. I had automatic forms mode turned on, and my cursor was sitting in an edit field.
When I moved out of the edit box and the virtual cursor took over, control plus insert plus g produced, as expected, a list of graphics. Control plus insert plus b produced a list of buttons.
So, even within Internet Explorer, the keystrokes can produce completely different results, depending upon whether or not the virtual cursor is active. If the virtual cursor is on, insert plus control plus a quick key will produce a list of the elements related to the quick key. If, however, forms mode is on, whether triggered automatically or manually invoked, these keystrokes will produce the results one would expect outside the Internet.
So, when one drills down far enough, there is, indeed, a method to Freedom Scientific's madness.
Of course, that this whole thing troubled me so much probably gives you cause to think I'm mad too, but for those who are curious (or as mad as I am), this sort of makes sense.

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RECOMMENDING OF ANY ENTITY, INVESTMENT PLAN OR ARRANGEMENT, AND SUCH ADVICE IS NOT INTENDED OR WRITTEN TO BE USED,
AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING PENALTIES UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE.
#############################################################################################################
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Re: Update for Windows Live Essentials

Gezim Rexha
 

Hello David,

Finally, I made the decision and installed the updates, and it is working fine with JAWS. Actually, I can't see any difference. My current Windows Live Mail version is:
Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3538.0513)

With best wishes,
Gezim

-----Original Message-----
From: David
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:17 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Update for Windows Live Essentials

Hello there;

Well, yes the latest version of windows live essentials does work with jaws
12, however, just be aware, the latest version will incorporate the ribbon,
so you'll need to learn how to navigate the menus,
Other then that? It's fine.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Gezim Rexha
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:33 AM
To: Jfw@...
Subject: Update for Windows Live Essentials

Hi all,

My computer is telling me that an update for Windows Live essentials is
available. Before deciding to install it, I wanted to ask if anybody of you
has tried it to make sure that it works with JAWS.

Regards,
Gezim
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Re: [Bulk] jaws not reading next msg after ctrl-d delete

Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...>
 

I'm running the latest version of JAWS, Office 2007 and Windows XP
Professional on my computer at work. It seems to work fine since I did the
clean reinstall. It's slow at times, but my computer is also 9 years old.
I may be getting a new one soon with the same configuration listed above.
I'll let people know how it is.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 12:08 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: [Bulk] jaws not reading next msg after ctrl-d delete

These last two releases just don't play well with 2007. I'd love to
hear from anybody off list who runs this version of Office on 11 or
higher with XP. I believe the problems you guys are talking about are
with later OS's, but an FS developer told me the company had little
remaining interest in XP performance.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Graham Smith
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:22 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] jaws not reading next msg after ctrl-d delete


It would be nice to know if there is only one person with excel
problems, seem strange.


-----Original Message-----
From: Londa Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 8:58
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: [Bulk] jaws not reading next msg after ctrl-d delete

That problem with excel 2007 can be fixed. I did it by removing JAWS 12
completely. This includes shared files and user settings. Then I
Installed
the latest version. My Excel works fine now.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:27 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] jaws not reading next msg after ctrl-d delete

Michael,

You may benefit by updating to 12.0.1669. However go to
http://www.freedomscientific.com and check the "What's new" and
"Enhancements and Fixes" files to make sure that WLM has been covered in
releases after 12.0.525. I vaguely recall that there have been some
attempts

to make things better for WLM.

However it's at the expense of screwing up Excel 2007, so be wary before
you

update.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "michael mcglashon" <michael.mcglashon@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:04
Subject: Re: [Bulk] jaws not reading next msg after ctrl-d delete


the complete jaws number is 12.0.525


-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Nokia N95
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 7:10 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: [Bulk] jaws not reading next msg after ctrl-d delete

What is the complete version number of JAWS? i.e. 12.0.1669.

Dave Carlson
Produced on a Nokia N95 using Nuance TALKS screen-reading software.

-original message-
Subject: [Bulk] jaws not reading next msg after ctrl-d delete
From: "michael mcglashon" <michael.mcglashon@...>
Date: 08-08-2011 16:18

hi guys:
the subject says it all, when I am in windows-live-mail in windows 7 and
using jaws 12, I used to hear the reading of the next msg automatically
when
I
hit ctrl-d to delete one. now, all of a sudden in the last couple of
days,
when I hit ctrl-d to delete a msg, I then have to hit insert-escape to
refresh
the screen before it will read the next msg? any one else seen this?
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Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] jaws not reading next msg after ctrl-d delete

Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...>
 

If I had a lot of customized files, I'd copy them first to another folder
somewhere on my hard drive. Then, once I had JAWS reinstalled and Excel was
working, I'd try copying them back. I don't know what to tell you about the
key conflicts, but I see your point on that one.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Nokia N95
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 10:48 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] jaws not reading next msg after ctrl-d delete

OK. What then happens to all the .jsi files that I've developed over the
past two years? And they still have not fixed the problem with conflicts
between the QAT and Excel hotkeys. FS still appears to be a company divided
and not communicating.

Dave Carlson
Produced on a Nokia N95 using Nuance TALKS screen-reading software.

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Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] jaws not reading next msg after ctrl-d delete
From: "Londa Peterson" <lpeterson@...>
Date: 08-10-2011 06:11

That problem with excel 2007 can be fixed. I did it by removing JAWS 12
completely. This includes shared files and user settings. Then I Installed
the latest version. My Excel works fine now.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:27 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] jaws not reading next msg after ctrl-d delete

Michael,

You may benefit by updating to 12.0.1669. However go to
http://www.freedomscientific.com and check the "What's new" and
"Enhancements and Fixes" files to make sure that WLM has been covered in
releases after 12.0.525. I vaguely recall that there have been some attempts

to make things better for WLM.

However it's at the expense of screwing up Excel 2007, so be wary before you

update.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "michael mcglashon" <michael.mcglashon@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:04
Subject: Re: [Bulk] jaws not reading next msg after ctrl-d delete


the complete jaws number is 12.0.525


-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Nokia N95
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 7:10 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: [Bulk] jaws not reading next msg after ctrl-d delete

What is the complete version number of JAWS? i.e. 12.0.1669.

Dave Carlson
Produced on a Nokia N95 using Nuance TALKS screen-reading software.

-original message-
Subject: [Bulk] jaws not reading next msg after ctrl-d delete
From: "michael mcglashon" <michael.mcglashon@...>
Date: 08-08-2011 16:18

hi guys:
the subject says it all, when I am in windows-live-mail in windows 7 and
using jaws 12, I used to hear the reading of the next msg automatically when
I
hit ctrl-d to delete one. now, all of a sudden in the last couple of days,
when I hit ctrl-d to delete a msg, I then have to hit insert-escape to
refresh
the screen before it will read the next msg? any one else seen this?
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Re: windows 7 and outlook with jaws

Dave...
 

Marvin,

You should have a folder list, and in that list Inbox. If you arrow to inbox
and press f6, what happens?

Dave Carlson
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to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marvin Hunkin" <startrekcafe@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 22:34
Subject: windows 7 and outlook with jaws


Hi.

I am running windows 7 professional.

And using Microsoft outlook 2010 professional.

Now, what is the outlook data folder, favorites, and I see my e-mail address
as the main folder.

So how do I delete these, and then have say Marvin Hunkin in outlook 2010.

Has any one use this program.

New to this program, as was using windows mail in windows vista.

But tried setting up windows mail in windows 7, but did not work.

So getting used to outlook.

So any help would be handy.

Managed to set up my account, and also how to import my address book or my
contact folder.

Marvin.

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Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS

Dave...
 

Terra,

Now you've confused me.

If you wanted to be using version 12.0.522, then why did you check for
updates? That would download 12.0.1669 and you're back where you started.

Turn off the automatic update feature in the JAWS Options/Basics dialog and
stay with the version you install (in your case 12.0.522).

And like David earlier I don't understand the role that Flash plays in your
decision to go back to 12.0.522.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terra Syslo" <tlsyslo@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:15
Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS


I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I uninstalled everything and tried an
install of the latest version of JFW 12, and it did the same thing as the
previous version of 12 with regards to not reading in internet explorer. I
then uninstalled it, re-installed jfw 12.0.522 and when I checked for
updates it installed the latest version again, and now it reads in internet
explorer, but I'm still having the problem with flash content. I really want
to be using the previous version, but I have no idea why it is not reading
in internet explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:01 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS

Terra,

Some others on this list have said that the only way to have JAWS higher
than 12.0.525 working correctly with Excel is to remove shared and user
settings when installing. I personally find that repugnant.

When I re-installed 12.0.525 I re-copied my previous user settings after
installing, so that I did not lose any of my customized files.

I say keep both during install and then overwrite with a backup copy of your

previous set of files from your user settings.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terra Syslo" <tlsyslo@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 18:03
Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS


Hi, I have removed JFW 12, and installed it again. Do I need to remove my
settings when it asks during the uninstall process? I said to leave them.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Nokia N95
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:38 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS

You need to completely remove JAWS 12 and install clean. See my message from
several months back.

Dave Carlson
Produced on a Nokia N95 using Nuance TALKS screen-reading software.

-original message-
Subject: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS
From: "Terra Syslo" <tlsyslo@...>
Date: 08-10-2011 17:10

I have a strange problem with JFW. I reverted back to version 12.0.522
because of my annoying problem with flash with the latest version, but now
when I go to internet explorer and try to do anything JFW won't read
anything. I can't see links, it won't read text, nothing. I can do an insert
f7 to get to the links list box, but I can't see anything on the page.
Tabbing doesn't work either. Does anyone have any suggestions? I've made
sure it was in full screen and did a jaws refresh. JFW 11 doesn't seem to
have this problem. Thanks for any help.



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Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello there;

You removed the latest version of jaws because of flash?
Is there something I'm missing here?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Terra Syslo
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:16 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I uninstalled everything and tried an
install of the latest version of JFW 12, and it did the same thing as the
previous version of 12 with regards to not reading in internet explorer. I
then uninstalled it, re-installed jfw 12.0.522 and when I checked for
updates it installed the latest version again, and now it reads in internet
explorer, but I'm still having the problem with flash content. I really want
to be using the previous version, but I have no idea why it is not reading
in internet explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:01 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS

Terra,

Some others on this list have said that the only way to have JAWS higher
than 12.0.525 working correctly with Excel is to remove shared and user
settings when installing. I personally find that repugnant.

When I re-installed 12.0.525 I re-copied my previous user settings after
installing, so that I did not lose any of my customized files.

I say keep both during install and then overwrite with a backup copy of your

previous set of files from your user settings.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terra Syslo" <tlsyslo@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 18:03
Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS


Hi, I have removed JFW 12, and installed it again. Do I need to remove my
settings when it asks during the uninstall process? I said to leave them.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Nokia N95
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:38 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS

You need to completely remove JAWS 12 and install clean. See my message from
several months back.

Dave Carlson
Produced on a Nokia N95 using Nuance TALKS screen-reading software.

-original message-
Subject: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS
From: "Terra Syslo" <tlsyslo@...>
Date: 08-10-2011 17:10

I have a strange problem with JFW. I reverted back to version 12.0.522
because of my annoying problem with flash with the latest version, but now
when I go to internet explorer and try to do anything JFW won't read
anything. I can't see links, it won't read text, nothing. I can do an insert
f7 to get to the links list box, but I can't see anything on the page.
Tabbing doesn't work either. Does anyone have any suggestions? I've made
sure it was in full screen and did a jaws refresh. JFW 11 doesn't seem to
have this problem. Thanks for any help.



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Re: [Bulk] labs.google

Adrian Spratt
 

How about trying the completely accessible Google Labs without the
/accessible ending? I just created this results page that way, and it shows
headings, etc.:

http://www.googlelabs.com/

I find google's /accessible versions of its search sites often limiting. For
example, on the regular Google search pages, the /accessible version doesn't
list the number of total hits.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Richard Sherman
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 1:55 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] labs.google

Hi,

The link I have is

http://labs.google.com/accessible/

Also, google recently announced that most of the google labs will be going
bye bye. Don't know how this will affect the above link and site. Want more,

do a quick google search for something like google labs going away.

For now, you'll have to find other ways to navigate it with jaws.

Rich
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 10:36 PM


What's the URL?
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 21:29


Hi,

Is anyone using labs.google.com and if so are they experiencing the
following?

You type in your search, press enter and when the list of results come up
get this custom google search thing. What I mean is when I try to read the
results, its like the results from google and not how it normally is
displayed for labs.google. Man, I hope I am making sense. I cannot move by
heading or anything like that. If you understand what I am saying, please
provide a response. If not, go ahead and write back and yell at me and I
will try to explain better off list.

Thankyou.


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Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS

Terra Syslo <tlsyslo@...>
 

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I uninstalled everything and tried an
install of the latest version of JFW 12, and it did the same thing as the
previous version of 12 with regards to not reading in internet explorer. I
then uninstalled it, re-installed jfw 12.0.522 and when I checked for
updates it installed the latest version again, and now it reads in internet
explorer, but I'm still having the problem with flash content. I really want
to be using the previous version, but I have no idea why it is not reading
in internet explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:01 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS

Terra,

Some others on this list have said that the only way to have JAWS higher
than 12.0.525 working correctly with Excel is to remove shared and user
settings when installing. I personally find that repugnant.

When I re-installed 12.0.525 I re-copied my previous user settings after
installing, so that I did not lose any of my customized files.

I say keep both during install and then overwrite with a backup copy of your

previous set of files from your user settings.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terra Syslo" <tlsyslo@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 18:03
Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS


Hi, I have removed JFW 12, and installed it again. Do I need to remove my
settings when it asks during the uninstall process? I said to leave them.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Nokia N95
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:38 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS

You need to completely remove JAWS 12 and install clean. See my message from
several months back.

Dave Carlson
Produced on a Nokia N95 using Nuance TALKS screen-reading software.

-original message-
Subject: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS
From: "Terra Syslo" <tlsyslo@...>
Date: 08-10-2011 17:10

I have a strange problem with JFW. I reverted back to version 12.0.522
because of my annoying problem with flash with the latest version, but now
when I go to internet explorer and try to do anything JFW won't read
anything. I can't see links, it won't read text, nothing. I can do an insert
f7 to get to the links list box, but I can't see anything on the page.
Tabbing doesn't work either. Does anyone have any suggestions? I've made
sure it was in full screen and did a jaws refresh. JFW 11 doesn't seem to
have this problem. Thanks for any help.



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Re: [Bulk] labs.google

Richard Sherman <squirman@...>
 

Hi,

The link I have is

http://labs.google.com/accessible/

Also, google recently announced that most of the google labs will be going
bye bye. Don't know how this will affect the above link and site. Want more,
do a quick google search for something like google labs going away.

For now, you'll have to find other ways to navigate it with jaws.

Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 10:36 PM


What's the URL?
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 21:29


Hi,

Is anyone using labs.google.com and if so are they experiencing the
following?

You type in your search, press enter and when the list of results come up
get this custom google search thing. What I mean is when I try to read the
results, its like the results from google and not how it normally is
displayed for labs.google. Man, I hope I am making sense. I cannot move by
heading or anything like that. If you understand what I am saying, please
provide a response. If not, go ahead and write back and yell at me and I
will try to explain better off list.

Thankyou.


Re: [Bulk] labs.google

kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: 10 August, 2011 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] labs.google

What's the URL?
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 21:29
Subject: [Bulk] labs.google


Hi,

Is anyone using labs.google.com and if so are they experiencing the
following?

You type in your search, press enter and when the list of results come up
get this custom google search thing. What I mean is when I try to read the
results, its like the results from google and not how it normally is
displayed for labs.google. Man, I hope I am making sense. I cannot move by
heading or anything like that. If you understand what I am saying, please
provide a response. If not, go ahead and write back and yell at me and I
will try to explain better off list.

Thankyou.





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Re: [Bulk] labs.google

Dave...
 

What's the URL?
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 21:29
Subject: [Bulk] labs.google


Hi,

Is anyone using labs.google.com and if so are they experiencing the
following?

You type in your search, press enter and when the list of results come up
get this custom google search thing. What I mean is when I try to read the
results, its like the results from google and not how it normally is
displayed for labs.google. Man, I hope I am making sense. I cannot move by
heading or anything like that. If you understand what I am saying, please
provide a response. If not, go ahead and write back and yell at me and I
will try to explain better off list.

Thankyou.





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labs.google

kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Hi,

Is anyone using labs.google.com and if so are they experiencing the
following?

You type in your search, press enter and when the list of results come up
get this custom google search thing. What I mean is when I try to read the
results, its like the results from google and not how it normally is
displayed for labs.google. Man, I hope I am making sense. I cannot move by
heading or anything like that. If you understand what I am saying, please
provide a response. If not, go ahead and write back and yell at me and I
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Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS

Dave...
 

Terra,

Some others on this list have said that the only way to have JAWS higher
than 12.0.525 working correctly with Excel is to remove shared and user
settings when installing. I personally find that repugnant.

When I re-installed 12.0.525 I re-copied my previous user settings after
installing, so that I did not lose any of my customized files.

I say keep both during install and then overwrite with a backup copy of your
previous set of files from your user settings.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terra Syslo" <tlsyslo@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 18:03
Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS


Hi, I have removed JFW 12, and installed it again. Do I need to remove my
settings when it asks during the uninstall process? I said to leave them.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Nokia N95
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:38 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS

You need to completely remove JAWS 12 and install clean. See my message from
several months back.

Dave Carlson
Produced on a Nokia N95 using Nuance TALKS screen-reading software.

-original message-
Subject: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS
From: "Terra Syslo" <tlsyslo@...>
Date: 08-10-2011 17:10

I have a strange problem with JFW. I reverted back to version 12.0.522
because of my annoying problem with flash with the latest version, but now
when I go to internet explorer and try to do anything JFW won't read
anything. I can't see links, it won't read text, nothing. I can do an insert
f7 to get to the links list box, but I can't see anything on the page.
Tabbing doesn't work either. Does anyone have any suggestions? I've made
sure it was in full screen and did a jaws refresh. JFW 11 doesn't seem to
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Re: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS

Terra Syslo <tlsyslo@...>
 

Hi, I have removed JFW 12, and installed it again. Do I need to remove my
settings when it asks during the uninstall process? I said to leave them.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Nokia N95
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:38 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS

You need to completely remove JAWS 12 and install clean. See my message from
several months back.

Dave Carlson
Produced on a Nokia N95 using Nuance TALKS screen-reading software.

-original message-
Subject: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS
From: "Terra Syslo" <tlsyslo@...>
Date: 08-10-2011 17:10

I have a strange problem with JFW. I reverted back to version 12.0.522
because of my annoying problem with flash with the latest version, but now
when I go to internet explorer and try to do anything JFW won't read
anything. I can't see links, it won't read text, nothing. I can do an insert
f7 to get to the links list box, but I can't see anything on the page.
Tabbing doesn't work either. Does anyone have any suggestions? I've made
sure it was in full screen and did a jaws refresh. JFW 11 doesn't seem to
have this problem. Thanks for any help.



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Re: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS

Dave...
 

You need to completely remove JAWS 12 and install clean. See my message from several months back.

Dave Carlson
Produced on a Nokia N95 using Nuance TALKS screen-reading software.

-original message-
Subject: [Bulk] yet another problem with JAWS
From: "Terra Syslo" <tlsyslo@...>
Date: 08-10-2011 17:10

I have a strange problem with JFW. I reverted back to version 12.0.522
because of my annoying problem with flash with the latest version, but now
when I go to internet explorer and try to do anything JFW won't read
anything. I can't see links, it won't read text, nothing. I can do an insert
f7 to get to the links list box, but I can't see anything on the page.
Tabbing doesn't work either. Does anyone have any suggestions? I've made
sure it was in full screen and did a jaws refresh. JFW 11 doesn't seem to
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yet another problem with JAWS

Terra Syslo <tlsyslo@...>
 

I have a strange problem with JFW. I reverted back to version 12.0.522
because of my annoying problem with flash with the latest version, but now
when I go to internet explorer and try to do anything JFW won't read
anything. I can't see links, it won't read text, nothing. I can do an insert
f7 to get to the links list box, but I can't see anything on the page.
Tabbing doesn't work either. Does anyone have any suggestions? I've made
sure it was in full screen and did a jaws refresh. JFW 11 doesn't seem to
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Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] Update for Windows Live Essentials

Dave...
 

Better try again, and if you can't spell, use your spell-checker. Clear
communication is king.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: <djasister@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 15:53
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Update for Windows Live Essentials


Cannot say it or spell it but, is here.

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:28 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Update for Windows Live Essentials

Who are you replying to?
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: <djasister@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 14:00
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Update for Windows Live Essentials


Mine just did it the other day but what exactly it installed I do not know.

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Nokia N95
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 9:52 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Update for Windows Live Essentials

Can't help you, then.

Dave Carlson
Produced on a Nokia N95 using Nuance TALKS screen-reading software.

-original message-
Subject: Re: Update for Windows Live Essentials
From: "Ken Lawrence" <kenlawrence124@...>
Date: 08-10-2011 07:00

not sure it's what every was installed on the computer. an HP computer
windows seven. got it in march.

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:44 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Update for Windows Live Essentials

Gezim,

Perhaps if you tell us what version of WLM you currently have, and if
possible, what version is being pushed out? How can we know anything without
that information?
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gezim Rexha" <gezim_rexha@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 4:34
Subject: Re: Update for Windows Live Essentials


I have installed the essentials earlier, so I am already using ribbons.
However, it seems that there is a new update available and that's why I
wanted to make sure it works with JAWS.

Many thanks for your reply,
Gezim

-----Original Message-----
From: David
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:17 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Update for Windows Live Essentials

Hello there;

Well, yes the latest version of windows live essentials does work with jaws
12, however, just be aware, the latest version will incorporate the ribbon,
so you'll need to learn how to navigate the menus,
Other then that? It's fine.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Gezim Rexha
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:33 AM
To: Jfw@...
Subject: Update for Windows Live Essentials

Hi all,

My computer is telling me that an update for Windows Live essentials is
available. Before deciding to install it, I wanted to ask if anybody of you
has tried it to make sure that it works with JAWS.

Regards,
Gezim
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Re: IE8 and IE9 crashing with Jaws 12

Frank Ventura
 

As a test you can start Internet Explorer without any add ins and see if
it behaves better.
Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of alice dampman humel
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 12:54 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: IE8 and IE9 crashing with Jaws 12

Hi, Adrian and all,
where does one find these add ons?
I don't so much encounter the closing thing, but I get the dialog box
about an error report or that JAWS box that spells somehting or other
out, say next line I think it is, and when I click "don't send," the
whole thing goes away. I encounter this on many web sites...maybe this
add on thing is the problem there, too?
Thanks.
Alice
alicedh@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"
<jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 9:49 AM
Subject: RE: IE8 and IE9 crashing with Jaws 12


In the past, other listers have suggested looking down your list of
add-ons in IE's tools/options and disabling them one by one to see if
the cause of the crashes lies there.

I don't have this problem with IE, but I do with Firefox.
Computers are
eccentric beings. Btw, I have XP Pro, not Windows 7.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Morey Worthington
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 7:42 AM
To: Jfw@...
Subject: IE8 and IE9 crashing with Jaws 12

Morning all,
Using Win/7 Home Premium, and Jaws 12. When using Internet Explorer
(8 or9), and the newest versions of Jaws 12, newest bill and a older
bill, IE just stops working. I get a message that IE has shut down and
Windows is looking for a answer. Sometimes IE will come back asking me,
or should I say telling me, that the last browsing session has shut
down, would I like to restart it.
Any thoughts on why the IE problems?
Maybe IE is corrupted. This happens in both IE8 and 9.
I am baffled. Did a scan disc and a defrag also but with no good
results.
Any help appreciated.
Morey Worthington


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