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Re: new jaws

Alex Stone <alex.stone@...>
 

How many copies of this do we need? I've had at least three so far.
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Jacob
Sent: 15 August 2011 16:16
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: new jaws

Enhancements in JAWS 12.0.1170 (August 2011) The following is a list of
items addressed or added between the final JAWS 12.0.1169 and the JAWS
12.0.1170 posting.

a.. Resolved an issue using JAWS in the iTunes Store after allowing the
automatic update of QuickTime Player to version 7.7.
b.. Resolved an issue in Lotus Notes where JAWS was not identifying links
in messages when navigating with the ARROW keys.
c.. Addressed a reported issue not reading check boxes contained in tables
on certain Web pages.
d.. Resolved an issue encountered on some systems where JAWS would not
start correctly.

OZ0TE Jacob
Skype-ID: Jacob-DK
From: Chris Smart
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: new jaws


Uh oh. *grin*
Any list of changes/fixes?
When I go to the FS site, I seem to only find the list of what's
new in Jaws 12, not the latest patch.

Chris

At 10:53 AM 8/15/2011, you wrote:
FYI. FS just release jaws 12.0.1170.

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Re: Research It settings question

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

Actually you can define your own rule sets for ResearchIt, at least according to the document I found on the FS site. See my other reply for the link.

At 07:28 PM 8/18/2011, you wrote:
Hello there;

No, I don't think you can change anything with the research it feature, it
is what it is.


Re: [Bulk] new jaws

Alex Stone <alex.stone@...>
 

Chris, thanks for wasting 8kb of my bandwith on such a wise and erudite
comment!
Alex

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: 15 August 2011 16:04
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] new jaws

Dave, they've added a new feature called hand-holder with sound
effects. Just kidding!

At 10:58 AM 8/15/2011, you wrote:
Oh, boy! Wonder what they have added to Research It this time?

Oh, do I sound cynical? Well, let's see the "What's New" file and
I'll get
back to you.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for
my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.
But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list"
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Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:53
Subject: [Bulk] new jaws


FYI. FS just release jaws 12.0.1170.
Holger Fiallo
Kind Regard
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Re: Research It settings question

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello there;

No, I don't think you can change anything with the research it feature, it
is what it is.

Sometimes yes? Most of the time no.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Kirsten Edmondson
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:56 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Research It settings question

Hi,
Is there a way of changing research it settings for UK users? When we click
on area codes nothing comes up; when we click on amazon product search it
brings up amazon.com and it would be better if it could be amazon.co.uk.
If anyone has any ideas or where I will be able to find out please let me
know.
I'm sorry if this is an old question.
Kirsten.





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Re: Research It settings question

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

Kirsten, unfortunately, ResearchIt is US-centric, extremely so.
However, I believe you can adapt it for other services and Websites.
Look for the document
* <http://www.freedomscientific.com/documentation/../../PDF/visionloss/manuals/DevDoc/Research-It-Creating-Rule-Sets-for-JAWS.doc>Research It: Creating Rule Sets for JAWS (Word file)
at this link
http://www.freedomscientific.com/documentation/screen-readers.asp

Chris


Re: translation program

inthane <inthaneelf@...>
 

thank Octavian Rasnita on the BW list, he made the thing, grin.

I'm just doing what I usually do, find it, store it, and pass it around, smile.

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: RE: translation program


Thanks for this Elf!
You're awesome!


kimsansong@...

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On Behalf Of inthane
Sent: 17 August, 2011 1:32 AM
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Subject: Re: translation program

yes its made by a fellow on another list I am on, let me find the link...

ok here is the announcement Email with a live and working (I tested it just
before I sent this) link


Hi,

I have made a few updates to MaestroTranslate, that tools that can be used
for translating text with Google.

1. The program is now multi-threaded, so the interface can be used while the

program is translating a long document. It doesn't freeze anymore.

2. The program displays a progress bar that shows the percentage of the
translated text, which is helpful when translating long documents.

3. The translated text is displayed in the destination text field
continuously, and it can be read while the program translates the rest of
the document.

4. The program has a "Stop" button that can be used for stopping the
translation of the current text, which might be utile sometimes for long
documents.

5. Zlatko Sobocan created improved JAWS scripts for MaestroTranslate, and
now the installation and configuration of these scripts can be done much
easier.

At the installation time (or later), the program ask you to choose the
hotkey you want to use for translation and the hotkey for configuration.
The hotkey for translation is the one you can use to translate the word at
the cursor or the selected text, and the hotkey for configuration is the one

you could use to choose the source and destination languages and other
options (and it will appear a wizard that will let you make the choice).

These scripts are installed automatically when you install MaestroTranslate,

and you can uninstall them without uninstalling the program. They are
uninstalled when you will uninstall the program.

The interface of these scripts is also localized. You can change its locale
by changing the current language of the MaestroTranslate's interface (and
then press Control+JawsKey+Escape to re-initialize the scripts).
The localization may change the language of the spoken messages, the names
of the languages and possibly their order (in the lists displayed in that
configuration wizard).

6. I have solved a few bugs that were making the translation of long
documents very hard. I have also solved a bug that prevented the translation

using the JAWS scripts on the first or even second trial right after the
computer has been restarted.
I have also solved a bug that prevented translating the current word pointed

with the JAWS cursor.

I have added a few details for installation in the readme file and much more

things in the help files of the program.

You can download it from:

http://www.tranzactiibursiere.ro/maestro/translate/

Octavian

so there you go its a desktop application that uses google translation and I

have found it to work well so far,
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:03 PM
Subject: translation program


Hi, Does anyone knows of a program or web that translate Spanish into
English that works well with JAWS? I want to translate a lyric song from
Spanish into English.
Holger Fiallo
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Re: IE 9

Kerri <shalom75@...>
 

Yes and it happens fairly often, not to mentio how often the thing crashes.

Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:10 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: IE 9

Hi,
Yes, I doo as well.

Adi.

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On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: IE 9

Hi, all
Does anyone have problem closing IE 9 with alt f4? I have to do it twice
sometimes to close it.
Holger Fiallo
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Research It settings question

Kirsten Edmondson <kirsten.edmondson@...>
 

Hi,
Is there a way of changing research it settings for UK users? When we click
on area codes nothing comes up; when we click on amazon product search it
brings up amazon.com and it would be better if it could be amazon.co.uk.
If anyone has any ideas or where I will be able to find out please let me
know.
I'm sorry if this is an old question.
Kirsten.


Re: [Bulk] JAWS and Negativity

Luis Difut
 

I agree!

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: JAWS and Negativity

Spence,

You're absolutely right. However many of these aspects that you cite have
been part of JAWS a few major revisions back.

However the more irritating point is that in subsequent major and minor
revisions, that functions and applications that used to work stop working.

Follow that with the focus tends to be adding new whiz-bang features instead

of fixing what they broke.

Well you have to understand that I get a little testy about that.

No doubt JAWS is very helpful and very necessary -- but also very critical
to our lives and jobs and it cannot be compromised with sloppy software
quality control.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Spencer McLean" <smclean@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 13:42
Subject: [Bulk] Re: JAWS and Negativity


Wooops. I meant Shift+JAWSKey+V. CTRL+JAWSKey+V is actually nto very
helpful at all. *Snicker*


On Thu, 18 Aug 2011, Spencer McLean wrote:

Hi Everyone:

Since joining this list about a week ago, I've noticed a great deal
of negativity about JAWS. I don't want to downplay its problems
-- it has a few. And it seems like many on this list have encountered more
difficulties than I have which, naturally, puts one in a gloomier frame of
mind, not only with regard to the application itself but also to its
future.
Yes, JAWS's pricetag is waaay too high, its scripts are meager, its
glitchiness is frustrating, its documentation is lackluster, its tendency
not to do what you set it to do is legendary... But... It has some pretty
awesome features as well.

- navigating via SelectAGraphic/Paragraph/Heading features have
- revolutionized the way I read webpages. Experience with these can get me
- to the content faster than sighted people, provided that I'm at least
- passingly familiar with the website in question. SelectAParagraph is
- probably my favorite feature in JAWS. Go to any News site, click on an
- article and tell me that SelectAParagraph doesn't rock. You avoid all
the
- mess and get right to the targeted content. For me, it's almost replaced
- placemarkers which were never reliable anyway given the rate at which
- webpages are redesigned.

- Personalized settings for webpage? Fantastic! I hate inline frames. If
- there are any Slate Magazine fans on this list, having to bump over that
- stupid Facebook inline frame to read articles drove me bunkers until I
- found out how to turn that off in CTRL+JAWSKey+V. And Slate. Com isn't
the
- only site that puts that Facebook inline in inconvenient places. And for
- those like me who've been all-but-driven to madness by SayAll's
obsessive
- need to vocalize Same-Page links on Wikipedia pages, you can turn that
- off under the Links branch in personalized settings. And the best part
is
- that you can customize these settings for individual websites.

- Finally, some of the navigation keys are pretty sweet. Visited links is
- the most useful, for me. Going right to that spot you typically visit
and
- hitting enter, so click. Going right to placemarkers on webpages that
- don't update a lot? Nice. Jumping to lines on a page? Paging through
- paragraphs? I use them all to get through the mess.

My intention is not to chastise. Like I mentioned above, JAWS has
its problems and its important to point them; I recognize that. So for all
of you who've held Freedom Scientific to account over JAWS's issues, I
raise
my glass to you. But it has some pretty amazing navigational features as
well and I don't want that to be forgotten in the din.

Cheers,
Spence

PS: Does anyone know if the JAWS developers have any intentions of
implementing that Voiceover-in-Safari feature for the Mac which keeps all
webpage menus closed until you click on them to open them? If that
wouldn't
clean up web browsing for Jaws in IE or Firefox...

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Re: E-Books and Jaws

inthane <inthaneelf@...>
 

there is a kindle converter to text which will enable you to read them with jaws on your computer.

contact me off list if you want the info and/or file I have on this.

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From: "Marsha" <marcatony@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 6:45 AM
Subject: E-Books and Jaws


Hi
I will try it this way. Are there any E-Book readers which you can use
with Jaws? If so What are they? Where would you find books? Thank you
very much.

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Re: Skype: how to access the notifications in the system tray

inthane <inthaneelf@...>
 

sounds like you need to set your standard and accessibility alerts to the on position!

the mention of a not coming to you is in the Skype window, but there should be alert sounds and such that can be turned on.

if you need a sheet on this I think! stress the think I have one.

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From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:08 AM
Subject: Re: Skype: how to access the notifications in the system tray


what I suggest you get skypetalking will let you know who is coming or going. Do not know about the next question.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hamid Hamraz
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 5:52 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Skype: how to access the notifications in the system tray

It works only for the Skype main window. What about Skype notifications (for
instance when somebody iM me)?
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From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Skype: how to access the notifications in the system tray


insert f11 will do it. Use right arrow to find skype

-----Original Message-----
From: Hamid Hamraz
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:58 AM
To: JFW
Subject: Skype: how to access the notifications in the system tray

Hi all,

I'd like to be able to hear and access the Skype notifications within the system tray. I am specially concerned with IM arrival and friends going on/offline notifications.

Cheers,

Hamid
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Re: Jaws and Kindle.

inthane <inthaneelf@...>
 

looks like blind geek zone or blind access help or one of the tech lists question it would seem James

blind geek zone Subscribe:
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Blind Access Help subscribe,
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or try this tech list, The subscription address is:
chat-subscribe@...

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From: "Dorothy" <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 3:35 AM
Subject: RE: Jaws and Kindle.


James I know little of kindle but had problems with jaws and did a tandem
link up with david whitehead on Monday putting time back to august 7, and
adding jaws 11 to my jaws 12, since then my posts have not reached the list
I have tried the Test messages from this windows 7 and from my xp laptop but
they are not reaching the list, both machines have jaws 12 on and jaws 11, I
have tried the normal way of getting to you and support but not had any
response hence most relieved to see you are on the list. sorry to interupt
the kindle response it is jaws I am dealing with first and formost regards
dorothy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: 17 August 2011 03:16
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws and Kindle.

I'm still looking for what this has to do with JAWS.

James,
List Admin

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Ann byrne
Sent: August-16-11 10:08 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws and Kindle.

My daughter reads text files on her Kindle.
At 08:22 PM 8/16/2011, you wrote:
yes they're only available from Amazon, as far as I know. You may be
able to borrow books from the public library soon though - it's in the
works at least in Canada.

At 12:14 PM 8/16/2011, you wrote:
HI
I have a couple of questions about the Kindle. Where can you get
books?
Are they only available from Amazon? Thanks

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Re: JAWS 12 and the transition from XP Home to Windows 7

inthane <inthaneelf@...>
 

hi,

if you can follow and accept a few facts it should be fairly simple, with a few rough spots to get used to.

the first and biggest thing to get used to is there is no "classic view" anymore, your moving forward, you can't use the old stuff any more (view and program layout wise"
second thing, when you hit the windows key, you land in a search box, this search box is your biggest friend on windows 7!

this is how to fast find most things on your computer, you can type in a partial or full word here and windows uses smart matching to find things that match, if you down arrow you find the list of things and if you enter on one, you start it/go there.

for the rest, I will refer you to the excellent podcasts on the blind geek zone site and several written texts and other pod casts by telling you to go to my grab bag site and at a minimum grabbing the windows tutorials package that is offered to folks in the upper set of links just under the navigation links of the site.
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com

it has several written tutorials, and a list of addresses to places like Blind-Geek-Zone and blind cool tech.

just under that are a few more downloads, one that is very useful is the windows 7 help notes collection, which is just that, a collection of notes and Emails from a number of lists.
its a collection of the "where did they put that's", "what there calling it now's", and "how do I do this in w7's".

most are listed by the prime function of it (I.E. if its about display's, its display, how to change...; and if its about networking, it should either be under homegroup, or networking, so you can first letter navigate to the desired item)
there are a lot of hints there and some duplications, its unsorted, and I am on 14 different lists so I get a lot of hints from all over the web.

HTH,
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Mitchell" <mitch@...>
To: "Jaws List" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: JAWS 12 and the transition from XP Home to Windows 7


Greetings: The day may come when I need to make the switch from my current XP Home to a Windows 7 machine.
A Geezer and set in my ways, will this be a smooth transition or are there new formats, layouts and the like one must learn?
Thanks for any feedback from those of you who have made the jump.
Best Wishes, Mitch
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Re: [Bulk] Question on activation count

Dave...
 

Gerald,

I think the initial install of JAWS 8 from your CD to a clean drive would of
course consume an activation. However updating to JAWS 9 with JAWS 8 already
installed an activated should not consume an activation.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

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From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 14:32
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Question on activation count



On a related subject, here's something I have been wondering about. I
originally installed JAWS 8 on my computer with the CD, and upgraded to JAWS
9 from the FS web site, because my original SMA allowed for one version
upgrade. JAWS 9 is currently my default version. Suppose my hard drive
failed and after a new hard drive is installed along with the Windows OS, I
reinstall JAWS 8 again using the CD. Would I still be able to upgrade to
JAWS 9 again under the original SMA? Or would JAWS 9 run only in demo mode
after I install it again from the FS web site? I assume that I would need
at least two activations to reinstall JAWS 8 and then JAWS 9. I'm asking
this just in case.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: RE: Question on activation count


Hello there;

No, you will only receive 3
Regardless of which version you use,


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:29 PM
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Subject: Question on activation count

Hi, all.

I'm between computers here, and have a question about Jaws activation
counts.

I know I could call FS about this, but figured I might get a quicker
answer
from the list.

Regarding activations, does a single-license Jaws user like myself have a
given number of activations for each separate version of Jaws, or is the
allotted number of 3 activations constant across all versions of Jaws
collectively?

I am getting a couple of new computers set up for both office and home,
and

am trying to figure out how best to proceed, while still keeping an older
Windows XP machine around as a back-up in case that is needed as well.

I have Jaws 12, but a few earlier versions of Jaws that I could probably
use if neded, if that would give me more activations to work with.

Thanks!

Tom from Michigan



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Re: Question on activation count

Gerald Levy
 

On a related subject, here's something I have been wondering about. I originally installed JAWS 8 on my computer with the CD, and upgraded to JAWS 9 from the FS web site, because my original SMA allowed for one version upgrade. JAWS 9 is currently my default version. Suppose my hard drive failed and after a new hard drive is installed along with the Windows OS, I reinstall JAWS 8 again using the CD. Would I still be able to upgrade to JAWS 9 again under the original SMA? Or would JAWS 9 run only in demo mode after I install it again from the FS web site? I assume that I would need at least two activations to reinstall JAWS 8 and then JAWS 9. I'm asking this just in case.

Gerald

----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: RE: Question on activation count


Hello there;

No, you will only receive 3
Regardless of which version you use,


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:29 PM
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Subject: Question on activation count

Hi, all.

I'm between computers here, and have a question about Jaws activation
counts.

I know I could call FS about this, but figured I might get a quicker answer
from the list.

Regarding activations, does a single-license Jaws user like myself have a
given number of activations for each separate version of Jaws, or is the
allotted number of 3 activations constant across all versions of Jaws
collectively?

I am getting a couple of new computers set up for both office and home, and

am trying to figure out how best to proceed, while still keeping an older
Windows XP machine around as a back-up in case that is needed as well.

I have Jaws 12, but a few earlier versions of Jaws that I could probably
use if neded, if that would give me more activations to work with.

Thanks!

Tom from Michigan



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Re: [Bulk] JAWS and Negativity

Dave...
 

Spence,

You're absolutely right. However many of these aspects that you cite have
been part of JAWS a few major revisions back.

However the more irritating point is that in subsequent major and minor
revisions, that functions and applications that used to work stop working.

Follow that with the focus tends to be adding new whiz-bang features instead
of fixing what they broke.

Well you have to understand that I get a little testy about that.

No doubt JAWS is very helpful and very necessary -- but also very critical
to our lives and jobs and it cannot be compromised with sloppy software
quality control.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Spencer McLean" <smclean@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 13:42
Subject: [Bulk] Re: JAWS and Negativity


Wooops. I meant Shift+JAWSKey+V. CTRL+JAWSKey+V is actually nto very
helpful at all. *Snicker*


On Thu, 18 Aug 2011, Spencer McLean wrote:

Hi Everyone:

Since joining this list about a week ago, I've noticed a great deal
of negativity about JAWS. I don't want to downplay its problems
-- it has a few. And it seems like many on this list have encountered more
difficulties than I have which, naturally, puts one in a gloomier frame of
mind, not only with regard to the application itself but also to its
future.
Yes, JAWS's pricetag is waaay too high, its scripts are meager, its
glitchiness is frustrating, its documentation is lackluster, its tendency
not to do what you set it to do is legendary... But... It has some pretty
awesome features as well.

- navigating via SelectAGraphic/Paragraph/Heading features have
- revolutionized the way I read webpages. Experience with these can get me
- to the content faster than sighted people, provided that I'm at least
- passingly familiar with the website in question. SelectAParagraph is
- probably my favorite feature in JAWS. Go to any News site, click on an
- article and tell me that SelectAParagraph doesn't rock. You avoid all
the
- mess and get right to the targeted content. For me, it's almost replaced
- placemarkers which were never reliable anyway given the rate at which
- webpages are redesigned.

- Personalized settings for webpage? Fantastic! I hate inline frames. If
- there are any Slate Magazine fans on this list, having to bump over that
- stupid Facebook inline frame to read articles drove me bunkers until I
- found out how to turn that off in CTRL+JAWSKey+V. And Slate. Com isn't
the
- only site that puts that Facebook inline in inconvenient places. And for
- those like me who've been all-but-driven to madness by SayAll's
obsessive
- need to vocalize Same-Page links on Wikipedia pages, you can turn that
- off under the Links branch in personalized settings. And the best part
is
- that you can customize these settings for individual websites.

- Finally, some of the navigation keys are pretty sweet. Visited links is
- the most useful, for me. Going right to that spot you typically visit
and
- hitting enter, so click. Going right to placemarkers on webpages that
- don't update a lot? Nice. Jumping to lines on a page? Paging through
- paragraphs? I use them all to get through the mess.

My intention is not to chastise. Like I mentioned above, JAWS has
its problems and its important to point them; I recognize that. So for all
of you who've held Freedom Scientific to account over JAWS's issues, I
raise
my glass to you. But it has some pretty amazing navigational features as
well and I don't want that to be forgotten in the din.

Cheers,
Spence

PS: Does anyone know if the JAWS developers have any intentions of
implementing that Voiceover-in-Safari feature for the Mac which keeps all
webpage menus closed until you click on them to open them? If that
wouldn't
clean up web browsing for Jaws in IE or Firefox...

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Re: JAWS and Negativity

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello there;

Well,
Regarding all of the things you talk about, this is all well and good,
However, when we pay big bucks for a program, latest and greatest, do you
not think, that, one would be able to use excel without annoying problems?
Not sure if you no, however, this is what office people do.
So, using jaws in your personal life needs to keep people employed,and
competitive.
I won't go on with a rant.

Glad your happy though.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Spencer McLean
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:39 PM
To: jfw@...
Subject: JAWS and Negativity

Hi Everyone:

Since joining this list about a week ago, I've noticed a great deal
of negativity about JAWS. I don't want to downplay its problems
-- it has a few. And it seems like many on this list have encountered more
difficulties than I have which, naturally, puts one in a gloomier frame of
mind, not only with regard to the application itself but also to its future.

Yes, JAWS's pricetag is waaay too high, its scripts are meager, its
glitchiness is frustrating, its documentation is lackluster, its tendency
not to do what you set it to do is legendary... But... It has some pretty
awesome features as well.

- navigating via SelectAGraphic/Paragraph/Heading features have
- revolutionized the way I read webpages. Experience with these can get me
- to the content faster than sighted people, provided that I'm at least
- passingly familiar with the website in question. SelectAParagraph is
- probably my favorite feature in JAWS. Go to any News site, click on an
- article and tell me that SelectAParagraph doesn't rock. You avoid all
the
- mess and get right to the targeted content. For me, it's almost replaced
- placemarkers which were never reliable anyway given the rate at which
- webpages are redesigned.

- Personalized settings for webpage? Fantastic! I hate inline frames. If
- there are any Slate Magazine fans on this list, having to bump over that
- stupid Facebook inline frame to read articles drove me bunkers until I
- found out how to turn that off in CTRL+JAWSKey+V. And Slate. Com isn't
the
- only site that puts that Facebook inline in inconvenient places. And for
- those like me who've been all-but-driven to madness by SayAll's
obsessive
- need to vocalize Same-Page links on Wikipedia pages, you can turn that
- off under the Links branch in personalized settings. And the best part
is
- that you can customize these settings for individual websites.

- Finally, some of the navigation keys are pretty sweet. Visited links is
- the most useful, for me. Going right to that spot you typically visit
and
- hitting enter, so click. Going right to placemarkers on webpages that
- don't update a lot? Nice. Jumping to lines on a page? Paging through
- paragraphs? I use them all to get through the mess.

My intention is not to chastise. Like I mentioned above, JAWS has
its problems and its important to point them; I recognize that. So for all
of you who've held Freedom Scientific to account over JAWS's issues, I raise
my glass to you. But it has some pretty amazing navigational features as
well and I don't want that to be forgotten in the din.

Cheers,
Spence

PS: Does anyone know if the JAWS developers have any intentions of
implementing that Voiceover-in-Safari feature for the Mac which keeps all
webpage menus closed until you click on them to open them? If that wouldn't
clean up web browsing for Jaws in IE or Firefox...


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Re: JAWS and Negativity

Spencer McLean <smclean@...>
 

Wooops. I meant Shift+JAWSKey+V. CTRL+JAWSKey+V is actually nto very helpful at all. *Snicker*

On Thu, 18 Aug 2011, Spencer McLean wrote:

Hi Everyone:

Since joining this list about a week ago, I've noticed a great deal
of negativity about JAWS. I don't want to downplay its problems
-- it has a few. And it seems like many on this list have encountered more
difficulties than I have which, naturally, puts one in a gloomier frame of
mind, not only with regard to the application itself but also to its future. Yes, JAWS's pricetag is waaay too high, its scripts are meager, its
glitchiness is frustrating, its documentation is lackluster, its tendency
not to do what you set it to do is legendary... But... It has some pretty
awesome features as well.

- navigating via SelectAGraphic/Paragraph/Heading features have
- revolutionized the way I read webpages. Experience with these can get me
- to the content faster than sighted people, provided that I'm at least
- passingly familiar with the website in question. SelectAParagraph is
- probably my favorite feature in JAWS. Go to any News site, click on an
- article and tell me that SelectAParagraph doesn't rock. You avoid all the
- mess and get right to the targeted content. For me, it's almost replaced
- placemarkers which were never reliable anyway given the rate at which
- webpages are redesigned.

- Personalized settings for webpage? Fantastic! I hate inline frames. If
- there are any Slate Magazine fans on this list, having to bump over that
- stupid Facebook inline frame to read articles drove me bunkers until I
- found out how to turn that off in CTRL+JAWSKey+V. And Slate. Com isn't the
- only site that puts that Facebook inline in inconvenient places. And for
- those like me who've been all-but-driven to madness by SayAll's obsessive
- need to vocalize Same-Page links on Wikipedia pages, you can turn that
- off under the Links branch in personalized settings. And the best part is
- that you can customize these settings for individual websites.

- Finally, some of the navigation keys are pretty sweet. Visited links is
- the most useful, for me. Going right to that spot you typically visit and
- hitting enter, so click. Going right to placemarkers on webpages that
- don't update a lot? Nice. Jumping to lines on a page? Paging through
- paragraphs? I use them all to get through the mess.

My intention is not to chastise. Like I mentioned above, JAWS has
its problems and its important to point them; I recognize that. So for all
of you who've held Freedom Scientific to account over JAWS's issues, I raise
my glass to you. But it has some pretty amazing navigational features as
well and I don't want that to be forgotten in the din.

Cheers,
Spence

PS: Does anyone know if the JAWS developers have any intentions of
implementing that Voiceover-in-Safari feature for the Mac which keeps all
webpage menus closed until you click on them to open them? If that wouldn't
clean up web browsing for Jaws in IE or Firefox...


Re: Question on activation count

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello there;

No, you will only receive 3
Regardless of which version you use,

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:29 PM
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Subject: Question on activation count

Hi, all.

I'm between computers here, and have a question about Jaws activation
counts.

I know I could call FS about this, but figured I might get a quicker answer
from the list.

Regarding activations, does a single-license Jaws user like myself have a
given number of activations for each separate version of Jaws, or is the
allotted number of 3 activations constant across all versions of Jaws
collectively?

I am getting a couple of new computers set up for both office and home, and

am trying to figure out how best to proceed, while still keeping an older
Windows XP machine around as a back-up in case that is needed as well.

I have Jaws 12, but a few earlier versions of Jaws that I could probably
use if neded, if that would give me more activations to work with.

Thanks!

Tom from Michigan



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JAWS and Negativity

Spencer McLean <smclean@...>
 

Hi Everyone:

Since joining this list about a week ago, I've noticed a great deal
of negativity about JAWS. I don't want to downplay its problems
-- it has a few. And it seems like many on this list have encountered more
difficulties than I have which, naturally, puts one in a gloomier frame of
mind, not only with regard to the application itself but also to its future. Yes, JAWS's pricetag is waaay too high, its scripts are meager, its
glitchiness is frustrating, its documentation is lackluster, its tendency
not to do what you set it to do is legendary... But... It has some pretty
awesome features as well.

- navigating via SelectAGraphic/Paragraph/Heading features have
- revolutionized the way I read webpages. Experience with these can get me
- to the content faster than sighted people, provided that I'm at least
- passingly familiar with the website in question. SelectAParagraph is
- probably my favorite feature in JAWS. Go to any News site, click on an
- article and tell me that SelectAParagraph doesn't rock. You avoid all the
- mess and get right to the targeted content. For me, it's almost replaced
- placemarkers which were never reliable anyway given the rate at which
- webpages are redesigned.

- Personalized settings for webpage? Fantastic! I hate inline frames. If
- there are any Slate Magazine fans on this list, having to bump over that
- stupid Facebook inline frame to read articles drove me bunkers until I
- found out how to turn that off in CTRL+JAWSKey+V. And Slate. Com isn't the
- only site that puts that Facebook inline in inconvenient places. And for
- those like me who've been all-but-driven to madness by SayAll's obsessive
- need to vocalize Same-Page links on Wikipedia pages, you can turn that
- off under the Links branch in personalized settings. And the best part is
- that you can customize these settings for individual websites.

- Finally, some of the navigation keys are pretty sweet. Visited links is
- the most useful, for me. Going right to that spot you typically visit and
- hitting enter, so click. Going right to placemarkers on webpages that
- don't update a lot? Nice. Jumping to lines on a page? Paging through
- paragraphs? I use them all to get through the mess.

My intention is not to chastise. Like I mentioned above, JAWS has
its problems and its important to point them; I recognize that. So for all
of you who've held Freedom Scientific to account over JAWS's issues, I raise
my glass to you. But it has some pretty amazing navigational features as
well and I don't want that to be forgotten in the din.

Cheers,
Spence

PS: Does anyone know if the JAWS developers have any intentions of
implementing that Voiceover-in-Safari feature for the Mac which keeps all
webpage menus closed until you click on them to open them? If that wouldn't
clean up web browsing for Jaws in IE or Firefox...