Re: installing jfw without burning a key
I installed 13 yesterday, and had to get Jason to do a Tandem to get it in. Worse, I followed his suggestion and trashed my old authorization. I imagine this means I'm out of keys, and will have to refill before I can install here at the office. The Tandem worked fine (yes, Virginia, you can do it on dial up), but I can't figure out where the block was, and have no guarantee it won't happen again next year. As I'm running XP Pro, the solution put forth last week is inapplicable. It has to be something small.
On the plus side, this looks to be lucky 13--really sweet. I had a little trouble with OCR, but finally realized Eric was using different settings on his machine. After reading the help screen several times, I finally realized the whole thing had to be done with the JAWS cursor, which is why it kept saying JAWS cursor--talk about getting hit over the head. The formatting was lousy on the Kenwood manual, and there were a lot of typos, but it worked! Boy, were you guys right about the default voice--sounds like Julia Childes in drag!
Ted
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-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:15 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: installing jfw without burning a key Yes I did and I am back to one key as I just checked it right now as I am typing this message. Peace! -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 7:33 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: installing jfw without burning a key Kimsan, On the FSActivate site there is a link to fill out a form to request that your activation count be reinstated. Have you done that? Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 21:10 Subject: RE: installing jfw without burning a key I don't even have jaws 12 installed. All I have running on my machine is jaws and window eyes. I just looked on the fs activate site and I have no activations left. Oh well, I will just stick with whaaat I have. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:49 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: installing jfw without burning a key Kimsan, So you're saying that your JAWS 12 runs in 40-minute mode and you have no more activations left on the FSActivate web site? IF so, it won't help your install of JAWS 13. If you had previously saved your activation and authorization folders from your previous non-demo-mode JAWS 12 you could then recover them and JAWS 12 should then run normally. If you have JAWS 12 running normally then installing JAWS 13 should not require you to reactivate -- unless...you don't have any more SMA to allow you to run JAWS 13. If that is the case, the technique to not burn a key will not help. So I'm a bit confused with your question and your exact situation, as you can surmise. Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 15:30 Subject: installing jfw without burning a key I am wanting to know if I installed 13 and wanted to activate 12 without burning a key would that make sense or will I need to install from the oldest version to the most current one. I am referencing the steps that someone provided a while back. I am aware it is not garenteed to work on a windows 7 machine but I got lucky last time. Why do I want 12 seeing as I have 13 running? No special reason, just curious on how it would work if it would work. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201111 06/9279e1ee/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com_______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com_______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com_______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Assigning certain websites to language?
Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...>
HI guys: Suppose I want to tell certain websites to come up speaking automatically in the language in which they were designed? For instance since I'm bilingual and sometimes visit sites in English or Spanish, is there a way in jaws to tell these sites to come up speaking in either English or Spanish? I went into Insert+v but couldn't find anything of sorts, thus my question. Gerardo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20111108/1c12f397/attachment.html>
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Oh, I just noticed that you are employed by the government, so converting to acronyms and abbreviations are second-nature to you. I personally avoid them when communicating with any public forums, in particular those where the audience is significantly International.
Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Naomi Bolter" <Naomi.Bolter@facs.nsw.gov.au> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:48 Subject: RE: Jaws and xl thanks, it's just easier to abbreviate Regards Naomi Bolter Project officer Strategic capability unit Level 10 83 Clarrence Street P 82954618 E naomi.bolter@facs.nsw.gov.au -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011 10:46 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws and xl And by the way, it's E-x-c-e-l, not X-L. Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:41 Subject: Re: Jaws and xl Press f2 and that's the cell formula edit field. I think that's what you're looking for. Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Naomi Bolter" <Naomi.Bolter@facs.nsw.gov.au> To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:36 Subject: Jaws and xl Hi all, I am new to this list, and have a question. In xl, a sighted person told me about a fx line above the columns in an xl spreadsheet. I want to dump about fifty characters there and then into some merged sells. My question is, how do I get to this fx line? I have tried everything and had no luck. When a sighted person puts the mouse on the fx line, jaws says edit. Any help is appreciated, as I am at work and need to get a high volume of information into a spreadsheet quickly and be able to update it as needed. Thanks Regards Naomi Bolter Project officer Strategic capability unit Level 10 83 Clarrence Street P 82954618 E naomi.bolter@facs.nsw.gov.au ========================================================== Security Statement This email may be confidential and contain privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this email, including any attachments. Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. If you have received the email in error please delete and notify the sender. Any views expressed in this email are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the department, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views of the Department of Family and Community Services NSW. The department does not represent, warrant or guarantee that the integrity of this email has been maintained, or that the communication is free of error, virus, interception, inference or interference. ========================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20111109/e3a3348d/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com_______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com_______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com========================================================== Security Statement This email may be confidential and contain privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this email, including any attachments. Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. If you have received the email in error please delete and notify the sender. Any views expressed in this email are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the department, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views of the Department of Family and Community Services NSW. The department does not represent, warrant or guarantee that the integrity of this email has been maintained, or that the communication is free of error, virus, interception, inference or interference. ========================================================== _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Naomi Bolter <Naomi.Bolter@...>
thanks, it's just easier to abbreviate
Regards Naomi Bolter Project officer Strategic capability unit Level 10 83 Clarrence Street P 82954618 E naomi.bolter@facs.nsw.gov.au
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And by the way, it's E-x-c-e-l, not X-L.
Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:41 Subject: Re: Jaws and xl Press f2 and that's the cell formula edit field. I think that's what you're looking for. Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Naomi Bolter" <Naomi.Bolter@facs.nsw.gov.au> To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:36 Subject: Jaws and xl Hi all, I am new to this list, and have a question. In xl, a sighted person told me about a fx line above the columns in an xl spreadsheet. I want to dump about fifty characters there and then into some merged sells. My question is, how do I get to this fx line? I have tried everything and had no luck. When a sighted person puts the mouse on the fx line, jaws says edit. Any help is appreciated, as I am at work and need to get a high volume of information into a spreadsheet quickly and be able to update it as needed. Thanks Regards Naomi Bolter Project officer Strategic capability unit Level 10 83 Clarrence Street P 82954618 E naomi.bolter@facs.nsw.gov.au ========================================================== Security Statement This email may be confidential and contain privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this email, including any attachments. Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. If you have received the email in error please delete and notify the sender. Any views expressed in this email are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the department, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views of the Department of Family and Community Services NSW. The department does not represent, warrant or guarantee that the integrity of this email has been maintained, or that the communication is free of error, virus, interception, inference or interference. ========================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20111109/e3a3348d/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com_______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Naomi Bolter <Naomi.Bolter@...>
Thank you!
Regards Naomi Bolter Project officer Strategic capability unit Level 10 83 Clarrence Street P 82954618 E naomi.bolter@facs.nsw.gov.au
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-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011 10:41 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws and xl Press f2 and that's the cell formula edit field. I think that's what you're looking for. Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Naomi Bolter" <Naomi.Bolter@facs.nsw.gov.au> To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:36 Subject: Jaws and xl Hi all, I am new to this list, and have a question. In xl, a sighted person told me about a fx line above the columns in an xl spreadsheet. I want to dump about fifty characters there and then into some merged sells. My question is, how do I get to this fx line? I have tried everything and had no luck. When a sighted person puts the mouse on the fx line, jaws says edit. Any help is appreciated, as I am at work and need to get a high volume of information into a spreadsheet quickly and be able to update it as needed. Thanks Regards Naomi Bolter Project officer Strategic capability unit Level 10 83 Clarrence Street P 82954618 E naomi.bolter@facs.nsw.gov.au ========================================================== Security Statement This email may be confidential and contain privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this email, including any attachments. Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. If you have received the email in error please delete and notify the sender. Any views expressed in this email are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the department, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views of the Department of Family and Community Services NSW. The department does not represent, warrant or guarantee that the integrity of this email has been maintained, or that the communication is free of error, virus, interception, inference or interference. ========================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20111109/e3a3348d/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com========================================================== Security Statement This email may be confidential and contain privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this email, including any attachments. Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. If you have received the email in error please delete and notify the sender. Any views expressed in this email are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the department, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views of the Department of Family and Community Services NSW. The department does not represent, warrant or guarantee that the integrity of this email has been maintained, or that the communication is free of error, virus, interception, inference or interference. ==========================================================
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Press f2 and that's the cell formula edit field. I think that's what you're looking for. Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Naomi Bolter" <Naomi.Bolter@facs.nsw.gov.au> To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:36 Subject: Jaws and xl Hi all, I am new to this list, and have a question. In xl, a sighted person told me about a fx line above the columns in an xl spreadsheet. I want to dump about fifty characters there and then into some merged sells. My question is, how do I get to this fx line? I have tried everything and had no luck. When a sighted person puts the mouse on the fx line, jaws says edit. Any help is appreciated, as I am at work and need to get a high volume of information into a spreadsheet quickly and be able to update it as needed. Thanks Regards Naomi Bolter Project officer Strategic capability unit Level 10 83 Clarrence Street P 82954618 E naomi.bolter@facs.nsw.gov.au ========================================================== Security Statement This email may be confidential and contain privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this email, including any attachments. Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. If you have received the email in error please delete and notify the sender. Any views expressed in this email are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the department, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views of the Department of Family and Community Services NSW. The department does not represent, warrant or guarantee that the integrity of this email has been maintained, or that the communication is free of error, virus, interception, inference or interference. ========================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20111109/e3a3348d/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Naomi Bolter <Naomi.Bolter@...>
Hi all, I am new to this list, and have a question. In xl, a sighted person told me about a fx line above the columns in an xl spreadsheet. I want to dump about fifty characters there and then into some merged sells. My question is, how do I get to this fx line? I have tried everything and had no luck. When a sighted person puts the mouse on the fx line, jaws says edit. Any help is appreciated, as I am at work and need to get a high volume of information into a spreadsheet quickly and be able to update it as needed. Thanks Regards Naomi Bolter Project officer Strategic capability unit Level 10 83 Clarrence Street P 82954618 E naomi.bolter@facs.nsw.gov.au ========================================================== Security Statement This email may be confidential and contain privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this email, including any attachments. Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. If you have received the email in error please delete and notify the sender. Any views expressed in this email are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the department, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views of the Department of Family and Community Services NSW. The department does not represent, warrant or guarantee that the integrity of this email has been maintained, or that the communication is free of error, virus, interception, inference or interference. ========================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20111109/e3a3348d/attachment.html>
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Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
go to http://dlee.org/skypeAt 04:53 PM 11/8/2011, you wrote: Hello:
JAWS 13 does not work with Skype. How do I find the script for it? Thank you in advance.
Dan
-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Smart Eze Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:15 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: scripts for Skype
Why not try "skypeTalking"? This is what I use. And it is perfectly OK for me. Google it out! Regards, smart
-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Martin Nelson Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:04 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list Subject: scripts for Skype
Hello: does anyone know where I can get scripts for Skype for Jaws 13 that when installed announce when a person comes on line. I have this for Jaws 12 but I don't remember how I got them. I installed the scripts from Dug Lee's page but they don't say when someone comes on line. Thanks for any help. Martin Nelson
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Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)
David,
So if I plug my thumb drive into a non-JAWS computer and launch JAWS, does it come up in 40-minute mode until I go to FSActivate? If yes, do I burn a key each time?
Or conversely is the authorization already built on to the thumb drive so that as long as it's plugged in, that computer runs an authorized version?
Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
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----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 13:06 Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice) Hi, If your using a thumb drive As long as you have lisence, your good to go, You can either run in demo, or you can be authorized. Check out, http://freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-MAGic-usb-drive.asp#download -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:47 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice) Well,, The intent of the thumb drive version is I think meant as a temporary usage of JAWS on another machine, so I would expect that it be operating either in 40-minute mode, or operating unimpeded until the thumb drive is removed. Anyone know which of these are true? Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Harding" <brent@hostany.net> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:41 Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice) Yes, but that machine still needs an authorization or dongle. What would be nice is if FS made a dongle that had a copy of Jaws already on it for those situations. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:22 PM Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice) Hello there; Yes indeed, the thumb drive solution for jaws is a good one. Providing you have a licenced copy running on home computer, it is merely downloading and extracting files to a thumb drive, Then Daughter can cary the thumb drive with her, and use it on any machine.
Hope this helps.
-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:32 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)
Richard,
Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site, downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13. daughter's Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19 Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)
I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that?
So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.
I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.
Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed and see what happens.
On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:
Richard,
I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when in remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only means that if you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are having the two products communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS can be used as authorization in that case?
Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?
I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of authorization.
Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04 Subject: Re: SMA Notice
Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58 dongle and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the relatively modest amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle at this point (because of the small size if nothing else). Where it actually crossed the line though was where some of us (sounds like this includes you) ended up with the $3K unit in the first place which included the license for the $1000 program, but nobody mentioned it so we spent $900 or so on the same license and then began adding on SMA's by the $100's as years rolled by.
Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the Pacmate solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when you boot or something like that.
The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant revenue stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I don't have benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From what I grasp, it seems to me they might come out better reducing some charges and allowing volume sales to increase.
I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close association with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact of the matter is the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky. (Well, even compared to the mPower from back then). It might not matter so much to some people, but that Apex it basically attached to my daughter much of the day. The size and weight difference is a big deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep wondering if they are going to come out with something more Apex-like (they meaning FS). After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it is time for a facelift.
Richard
On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:
No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert the use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They guard those dongles with enormous zeal.
Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30 Subject: Re: SMA Notice
Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing. Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize" option to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.
Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific somehow?
On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:
Richard,
Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never paid much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate" under the Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here I just purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying non-authorization issues.
I'll have to give it a try some time.
Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21 Subject: Re: SMA Notice
What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least to two people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there are reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I support it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a single user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for the same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am. Perhaps several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.
FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show that a PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license to run a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the computer. Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes sense, you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has JAWS installed.
As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had no way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when I bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes apparently includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.
I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to test as I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was hoping to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.
When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed JAWS is included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and options with this feature.
Richard
On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to stay current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments that FS makes to developments on the Web.
Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because she'd keep being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to reboot.
I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.
-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holloway Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: SMA Notice
Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from a demo copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate (if you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past summer.) Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because my daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.
Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same as $900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?
We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay for now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us? We've never called for support after the initial setup all the way from from v.9 to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on a desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just plugging in a USB cable, right?
What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a paid copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to look to the future.
On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:
Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I had to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that there is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5 and JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the nudge to do so by having the SMA.
To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I got a kick out of that.
Joni ----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice
Joni,
Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through 15 would have been 5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for $100 less.
So you came out ahead. Congratulations!
Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the dollar in all this, but still...
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Hello:
JAWS 13 does not work with Skype. How do I find the script for it? Thank you in advance.
Dan
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-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Smart Eze Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:15 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: scripts for Skype Why not try "skypeTalking"? This is what I use. And it is perfectly OK for me. Google it out! Regards, smart -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Martin Nelson Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:04 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list Subject: scripts for Skype Hello: does anyone know where I can get scripts for Skype for Jaws 13 that when installed announce when a person comes on line. I have this for Jaws 12 but I don't remember how I got them. I installed the scripts from Dug Lee's page but they don't say when someone comes on line. Thanks for any help. Martin Nelson _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com_______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)
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-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:47 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice) Well,, The intent of the thumb drive version is I think meant as a temporary usage of JAWS on another machine, so I would expect that it be operating either in 40-minute mode, or operating unimpeded until the thumb drive is removed. Anyone know which of these are true? Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Harding" <brent@hostany.net> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:41 Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice) Yes, but that machine still needs an authorization or dongle. What would be nice is if FS made a dongle that had a copy of Jaws already on it for those situations. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:22 PM Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice) Hello there; Yes indeed, the thumb drive solution for jaws is a good one. Providing you have a licenced copy running on home computer, it is merely downloading and extracting files to a thumb drive, Then Daughter can cary the thumb drive with her, and use it on any machine.
Hope this helps.
-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:32 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)
Richard,
Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site, downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13. daughter's Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19 Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)
I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that?
So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.
I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.
Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed and see what happens.
On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:
Richard,
I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when in remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only means that if you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are having the two products communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS can be used as authorization in that case?
Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?
I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of authorization.
Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04 Subject: Re: SMA Notice
Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58 dongle and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the relatively modest amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle at this point (because of the small size if nothing else). Where it actually crossed the line though was where some of us (sounds like this includes you) ended up with the $3K unit in the first place which included the license for the $1000 program, but nobody mentioned it so we spent $900 or so on the same license and then began adding on SMA's by the $100's as years rolled by.
Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the Pacmate solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when you boot or something like that.
The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant revenue stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I don't have benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From what I grasp, it seems to me they might come out better reducing some charges and allowing volume sales to increase.
I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close association with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact of the matter is the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky. (Well, even compared to the mPower from back then). It might not matter so much to some people, but that Apex it basically attached to my daughter much of the day. The size and weight difference is a big deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep wondering if they are going to come out with something more Apex-like (they meaning FS). After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it is time for a facelift.
Richard
On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:
No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert the use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They guard those dongles with enormous zeal.
Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30 Subject: Re: SMA Notice
Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing. Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize" option to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.
Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific somehow?
On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:
Richard,
Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never paid much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate" under the Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here I just purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying non-authorization issues.
I'll have to give it a try some time.
Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21 Subject: Re: SMA Notice
What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least to two people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there are reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I support it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a single user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for the same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am. Perhaps several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.
FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show that a PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license to run a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the computer. Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes sense, you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has JAWS installed.
As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had no way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when I bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes apparently includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.
I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to test as I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was hoping to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.
When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed JAWS is included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and options with this feature.
Richard
On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to stay current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments that FS makes to developments on the Web.
Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because she'd keep being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to reboot.
I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.
-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holloway Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: SMA Notice
Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from a demo copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate (if you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past summer.) Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because my daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.
Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same as $900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?
We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay for now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us? We've never called for support after the initial setup all the way from from v.9 to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on a desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just plugging in a USB cable, right?
What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a paid copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to look to the future.
On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:
Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I had to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that there is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5 and JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the nudge to do so by having the SMA.
To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I got a kick out of that.
Joni ----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice
Joni,
Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through 15 would have been 5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for $100 less.
So you came out ahead. Congratulations!
Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the dollar in all this, but still...
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Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)
Well,,
The intent of the thumb drive version is I think meant as a temporary usage of JAWS on another machine, so I would expect that it be operating either in 40-minute mode, or operating unimpeded until the thumb drive is removed. Anyone know which of these are true?
Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Harding" <brent@hostany.net> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:41 Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice) Yes, but that machine still needs an authorization or dongle. What would be nice is if FS made a dongle that had a copy of Jaws already on it for those situations. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:22 PM Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice) Hello there; Yes indeed, the thumb drive solution for jaws is a good one. Providing you have a licenced copy running on home computer, it is merely downloading and extracting files to a thumb drive, Then Daughter can cary the thumb drive with her, and use it on any machine.
Hope this helps.
-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:32 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)
Richard,
Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site, downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13. daughter's Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19 Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)
I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that?
So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.
I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.
Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed and see what happens.
On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:
Richard,
I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when in remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only means that if you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are having the two products communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS can be used as authorization in that case?
Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?
I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of authorization.
Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04 Subject: Re: SMA Notice
Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58 dongle and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the relatively modest amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle at this point (because of the small size if nothing else). Where it actually crossed the line though was where some of us (sounds like this includes you) ended up with the $3K unit in the first place which included the license for the $1000 program, but nobody mentioned it so we spent $900 or so on the same license and then began adding on SMA's by the $100's as years rolled by.
Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the Pacmate solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when you boot or something like that.
The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant revenue stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I don't have benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From what I grasp, it seems to me they might come out better reducing some charges and allowing volume sales to increase.
I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close association with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact of the matter is the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky. (Well, even compared to the mPower from back then). It might not matter so much to some people, but that Apex it basically attached to my daughter much of the day. The size and weight difference is a big deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep wondering if they are going to come out with something more Apex-like (they meaning FS). After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it is time for a facelift.
Richard
On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:
No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert the use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They guard those dongles with enormous zeal.
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Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing. Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize" option to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.
Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific somehow?
On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:
Richard,
Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never paid much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate" under the Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here I just purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying non-authorization issues.
I'll have to give it a try some time.
Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21 Subject: Re: SMA Notice
What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least to two people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there are reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I support it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a single user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for the same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am. Perhaps several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.
FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show that a PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license to run a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the computer. Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes sense, you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has JAWS installed.
As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had no way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when I bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes apparently includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.
I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to test as I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was hoping to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.
When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed JAWS is included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and options with this feature.
Richard
On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to stay current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments that FS makes to developments on the Web.
Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because she'd keep being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to reboot.
I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.
-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holloway Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: SMA Notice
Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from a demo copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate (if you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past summer.) Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because my daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.
Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same as $900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?
We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay for now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us? We've never called for support after the initial setup all the way from from v.9 to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on a desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just plugging in a USB cable, right?
What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a paid copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to look to the future.
On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:
Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I had to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that there is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5 and JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the nudge to do so by having the SMA.
To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I got a kick out of that.
Joni ----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice
Joni,
Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through 15 would have been 5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for $100 less.
So you came out ahead. Congratulations!
Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the dollar in all this, but still...
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Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)
Yes, but that machine still needs an authorization or dongle. What would be nice is if FS made a dongle that had a copy of Jaws already on it for those situations.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:22 PM Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice) Hello there; Yes indeed, the thumb drive solution for jaws is a good one. Providing you have a licenced copy running on home computer, it is merely downloading and extracting files to a thumb drive, Then Daughter can cary the thumb drive with her, and use it on any machine.
Hope this helps.
-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:32 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)
Richard,
Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site, downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13. daughter's Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19 Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)
I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that?
So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.
I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.
Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed and see what happens.
On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:
Richard,
I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when in remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only means that if you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are having the two products communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS can be used as authorization in that case?
Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?
I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of authorization.
Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04 Subject: Re: SMA Notice
Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58 dongle and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the relatively modest amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle at this point (because of the small size if nothing else). Where it actually crossed the line though was where some of us (sounds like this includes you) ended up with the $3K unit in the first place which included the license for the $1000 program, but nobody mentioned it so we spent $900 or so on the same license and then began adding on SMA's by the $100's as years rolled by.
Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the Pacmate solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when you boot or something like that.
The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant revenue stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I don't have benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From what I grasp, it seems to me they might come out better reducing some charges and allowing volume sales to increase.
I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close association with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact of the matter is the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky. (Well, even compared to the mPower from back then). It might not matter so much to some people, but that Apex it basically attached to my daughter much of the day. The size and weight difference is a big deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep wondering if they are going to come out with something more Apex-like (they meaning FS). After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it is time for a facelift.
Richard
On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:
No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert the use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They guard those dongles with enormous zeal.
Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30 Subject: Re: SMA Notice
Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing. Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize" option to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.
Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific somehow?
On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:
Richard,
Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never paid much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate" under the Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here I just purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying non-authorization issues.
I'll have to give it a try some time.
Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21 Subject: Re: SMA Notice
What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least to two people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there are reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I support it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a single user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for the same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am. Perhaps several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.
FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show that a PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license to run a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the computer. Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes sense, you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has JAWS installed.
As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had no way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when I bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes apparently includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.
I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to test as I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was hoping to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.
When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed JAWS is included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and options with this feature.
Richard
On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to stay current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments that FS makes to developments on the Web.
Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because she'd keep being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to reboot.
I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.
-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holloway Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: SMA Notice
Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from a demo copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate (if you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past summer.) Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because my daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.
Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same as $900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?
We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay for now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us? We've never called for support after the initial setup all the way from from v.9 to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on a desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just plugging in a USB cable, right?
What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a paid copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to look to the future.
On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:
Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I had to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that there is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5 and JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the nudge to do so by having the SMA.
To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I got a kick out of that.
Joni ----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice
Joni,
Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through 15 would have been 5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for $100 less.
So you came out ahead. Congratulations!
Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the dollar in all this, but still...
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Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)
David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
Hello there; Yes indeed, the thumb drive solution for jaws is a good one. Providing you have a licenced copy running on home computer, it is merely downloading and extracting files to a thumb drive, Then Daughter can cary the thumb drive with her, and use it on any machine.
Hope this helps.
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-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:32 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice) Richard, Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site, downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13. daughter's Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19 Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice) I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that? So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the product is installed, though I'd like to have that option. I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen reader sitting about on their computer for her to use. Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed and see what happens. On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote: Richard,
I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when in remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only means that if you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are having the two products communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS can be used as authorization in that case?
Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?
I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of authorization.
Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04 Subject: Re: SMA Notice
Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58 dongle and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the relatively modest amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle at this point (because of the small size if nothing else). Where it actually crossed the line though was where some of us (sounds like this includes you) ended up with the $3K unit in the first place which included the license for the $1000 program, but nobody mentioned it so we spent $900 or so on the same license and then began adding on SMA's by the $100's as years rolled by.
Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the Pacmate solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when you boot or something like that.
The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant revenue stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I don't have benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From what I grasp, it seems to me they might come out better reducing some charges and allowing volume sales to increase.
I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close association with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact of the matter is the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky. (Well, even compared to the mPower from back then). It might not matter so much to some people, but that Apex it basically attached to my daughter much of the day. The size and weight difference is a big deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep wondering if they are going to come out with something more Apex-like (they meaning FS). After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it is time for a facelift.
Richard
On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:
No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert the use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They guard those dongles with enormous zeal.
Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30 Subject: Re: SMA Notice
Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing. Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize" option to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.
Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific somehow?
On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:
Richard,
Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never paid much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate" under the Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here I just purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying non-authorization issues.
I'll have to give it a try some time.
Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21 Subject: Re: SMA Notice
What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least to two people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there are reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I support it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a single user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for the same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am. Perhaps several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.
FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show that a PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license to run a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the computer. Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes sense, you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has JAWS installed.
As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had no way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when I bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes apparently includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.
I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to test as I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was hoping to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.
When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed JAWS is included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and options with this feature.
Richard
On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to stay current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments that FS makes to developments on the Web.
Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because she'd keep being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to reboot.
I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.
-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holloway Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: SMA Notice
Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from a demo copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate (if you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past summer.) Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because my daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.
Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same as $900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?
We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay for now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us? We've never called for support after the initial setup all the way from from v.9 to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on a desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just plugging in a USB cable, right?
What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a paid copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to look to the future.
On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:
Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I had to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that there is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5 and JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the nudge to do so by having the SMA.
To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I got a kick out of that.
Joni ----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice
Joni,
Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through 15 would have been 5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for $100 less.
So you came out ahead. Congratulations!
Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the dollar in all this, but still...
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Re: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?
Robbie Curtis <essence64@...>
Thanks for that information Jerald.
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Solona is no longer functioning. The only way to solve image captchas is with the Webvisum add-on for Firefox. The creator of Solona became ill over a year ago and was unable to continue running it on a consistent basis.
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Hello Everyone,
Recently I have noticed that my Solona is not working. I've even tried to go to the web page without success. Is anyone else having trouble? I am using JAWS 10 AND 12. Thanks for any information.
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Re: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?
Solona is no longer functioning. The only way to solve image captchas is with the Webvisum add-on for Firefox. The creator of Solona became ill over a year ago and was unable to continue running it on a consistent basis.
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Re: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?
Robbie Curtis <essence64@...>
Hi Dave,
Thanks for that information. Hadn't heard that the service was being discontinued. If I may ask, what are you using for captias? Thanks.
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I think the service is gone. Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robbie Curtis" <essence64@earthlink.net> To: "jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:05 Subject: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?
Hello Everyone,
Recently I have noticed that my Solona is not working. I've even tried to go to the web page without success. Is anyone else having trouble? I am using JAWS 10 AND 12. Thanks for any information.
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Re: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?
I think the service is gone. Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
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