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Re: installing jfw without burning a key

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)

#4713

I installed 13 yesterday, and had to get Jason to do a Tandem to get it
in.  Worse, I followed his suggestion and trashed my old authorization.
I imagine this means I'm out of keys, and will have to refill before I
can install here at the office.  The Tandem worked fine (yes, Virginia,
you can do it on dial up), but I can't figure out where the block was,
and have no guarantee it won't happen again next year.  As I'm running
XP Pro, the solution put forth last week is inapplicable.  It has to be
something small.

On the plus side, this looks to be lucky 13--really sweet.  I had a
little trouble with OCR, but finally realized Eric was using different
settings on his machine.  After reading the help screen several times, I
finally realized the whole thing had to be done with the JAWS cursor,
which is why it kept saying JAWS cursor--talk about getting hit over the
head.  The formatting was lousy on the Kenwood manual, and there were a
lot of typos, but it worked!  Boy, were you guys right about the default
voice--sounds like Julia Childes in drag!

Ted

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-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:15 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: installing jfw without burning a key

Yes I did and I am back to one key as I just checked it right now as I
am
typing this message.

Peace!

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 7:33 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: installing jfw without burning a key

Kimsan,

On the FSActivate site there is a link to fill out a form to request
that
your activation count be reinstated. Have you done that?
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 21:10
Subject: RE: installing jfw without burning a key

I don't even have jaws 12 installed.

All I have running on my machine is jaws and window eyes.
I just looked on the fs activate site and I have no activations left.
Oh well, I will just stick with whaaat I have.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: installing jfw without burning a key

Kimsan,

So you're saying that your JAWS 12 runs in 40-minute mode and you have
no
more activations left on the FSActivate web site?

IF so, it won't help your install of JAWS 13.

If you had previously saved your activation and authorization folders
from
your previous non-demo-mode JAWS 12 you could then recover them and JAWS
12
should then run normally.

If you have JAWS 12 running normally then installing JAWS 13 should not
require you to reactivate -- unless...you don't have any more SMA to
allow
you to run JAWS 13. If that is the case, the technique to not burn a key
will not help.

So I'm a bit confused with your question and your exact situation, as
you
can surmise.

Dave Carlson
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 15:30
Subject: installing jfw without burning a key

I am wanting to know if I installed 13 and wanted to activate 12 without
burning a key would that make sense or will I need to install from the
oldest version to the most current one.

I am referencing the steps that someone provided a while back. I am
aware it
is not garenteed to work on a windows 7 machine but I got lucky last
time.

Why do I want 12 seeing as I have 13 running? No special reason, just
curious on how it would work if it would work.

Thanks.

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Assigning certain websites to language?

Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...>

#4712

HI guys: Suppose I want to tell certain websites to come up speaking
automatically in the language in which they were designed? For instance
since I'm bilingual and sometimes visit sites in English or Spanish, is
there a way in jaws to tell these sites to come up speaking in either
English or Spanish? I went into Insert+v but couldn't find anything of
sorts, thus my question.

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Re: Jaws and xl

Dave...

#4711

Oh, I just noticed that you are employed by the government, so converting to 
acronyms and abbreviations are second-nature to you. I personally avoid them 
when communicating with any public forums, in particular those where the 
audience is significantly International.

Dave Carlson
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:48
Subject: RE: Jaws and xl

thanks, it's just easier to abbreviate

Regards
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011 10:46 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws and xl

And by the way, it's E-x-c-e-l, not X-L.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:41
Subject: Re: Jaws and xl

Press f2 and that's the cell formula edit field. I think that's what
you're
looking for.
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Naomi Bolter" <Naomi.Bolter@facs.nsw.gov.au>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:36
Subject: Jaws and xl

Hi all,

I am new to this list, and have a question. In xl, a sighted person told
me about a fx line above the columns in an xl spreadsheet. I want to
dump about fifty characters there and then into some merged sells. My
question is, how do I get to this fx line?

I have tried everything and had no luck. When a sighted person puts the
mouse on the fx line, jaws says edit.

Any help is appreciated, as I am at work and need to get a high volume
of information into a spreadsheet quickly and be able to update it as
needed.

Thanks

Regards

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Re: Jaws and xl

Naomi Bolter <Naomi.Bolter@...>

#4710

thanks, it's just easier to abbreviate 

 
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Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011 10:46 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws and xl 

And by the way, it's E-x-c-e-l, not X-L.

Dave Carlson
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:41
Subject: Re: Jaws and xl

Press f2 and that's the cell formula edit field. I think that's what
you're
looking for.
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:36
Subject: Jaws and xl

Hi all,

I am new to this list, and have a question. In xl, a sighted person told
me about a fx line above the columns in an xl spreadsheet. I want to
dump about fifty characters there and then into some merged sells. My
question is, how do I get to this fx line?

I have tried everything and had no luck. When a sighted person puts the
mouse on the fx line, jaws says edit.

Any help is appreciated, as I am at work and need to get a high volume
of information into a spreadsheet quickly and be able to update it as
needed.

Thanks

Regards

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Project officer

Strategic capability unit

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P 82954618

E naomi.bolter@facs.nsw.gov.au

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Re: Jaws and xl

Dave...

#4709

And by the way, it's E-x-c-e-l, not X-L.

Dave Carlson
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:41
Subject: Re: Jaws and xl

Press f2 and that's the cell formula edit field. I think that's what you're
looking for.
Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:36
Subject: Jaws and xl

Hi all,

I am new to this list, and have a question. In xl, a sighted person told
me about a fx line above the columns in an xl spreadsheet. I want to
dump about fifty characters there and then into some merged sells. My
question is, how do I get to this fx line?

I have tried everything and had no luck. When a sighted person puts the
mouse on the fx line, jaws says edit.

Any help is appreciated, as I am at work and need to get a high volume
of information into a spreadsheet quickly and be able to update it as
needed.

Thanks

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Re: Jaws and xl

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#4708

Thank you!

 
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Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011 10:41 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws and xl 

Press f2 and that's the cell formula edit field. I think that's what
you're 
looking for.
Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Naomi Bolter" <Naomi.Bolter@facs.nsw.gov.au>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:36
Subject: Jaws and xl

Hi all,

I am new to this list, and have a question. In xl, a sighted person told
me about a fx line above the columns in an xl spreadsheet. I want to
dump about fifty characters there and then into some merged sells. My
question is, how do I get to this fx line?

I have tried everything and had no luck. When a sighted person puts the
mouse on the fx line, jaws says edit.

Any help is appreciated, as I am at work and need to get a high volume
of information into a spreadsheet quickly and be able to update it as
needed.

Thanks

Regards

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P 82954618

E naomi.bolter@facs.nsw.gov.au

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Re: Jaws and xl

Dave...

#4707

Press f2 and that's the cell formula edit field. I think that's what you're 
looking for.
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To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
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Subject: Jaws and xl

Hi all,

I am new to this list, and have a question. In xl, a sighted person told
me about a fx line above the columns in an xl spreadsheet. I want to
dump about fifty characters there and then into some merged sells. My
question is, how do I get to this fx line?

I have tried everything and had no luck. When a sighted person puts the
mouse on the fx line, jaws says edit.

Any help is appreciated, as I am at work and need to get a high volume
of information into a spreadsheet quickly and be able to update it as
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Jaws and xl

Naomi Bolter <Naomi.Bolter@...>

#4706

Hi all, 

I am new to this list, and have a question. In xl, a sighted person told
me about a fx line above the columns in an xl spreadsheet. I want to
dump about fifty characters there and then into some merged sells. My
question is, how do I get to this fx line? 

I have tried everything and had no luck. When a sighted person puts the
mouse on the fx line, jaws says edit. 

Any help is appreciated, as I am at work and need to get a high volume
of information into a spreadsheet quickly and be able to update it as
needed. 

Thanks 

Regards 

Naomi Bolter 

Project officer 

Strategic capability unit

Level 10 83 Clarrence Street 

P 82954618

E naomi.bolter@facs.nsw.gov.au 

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Re: scripts for Skype

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>

#4705

go to http://dlee.org/skype

At 04:53 PM 11/8/2011, you wrote:
Hello:

JAWS 13 does not work with Skype. How do I find the script for it?
Thank you in advance.

Dan



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Why not try "skypeTalking"?  This is what I use.  And it is perfectly OK
for
me.  Google it out!
Regards,  smart


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Subject: scripts for Skype

Hello: does anyone know where I can get scripts for Skype for Jaws 13
that
when installed announce when a person comes on line. I have this for
Jaws 12
but I don't remember how I got them. I installed the scripts from Dug
Lee's
page but they don't say when someone comes on line.
Thanks for any help.
Martin Nelson


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Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Dave...

#4704

David,

So if I plug my thumb drive into a non-JAWS computer and launch JAWS, does 
it come up in 40-minute mode until I go to FSActivate? If yes, do I burn a 
key each time?

Or conversely is the authorization already built on to the thumb drive so 
that as long as it's plugged in, that computer runs an authorized version?

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 13:06
Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Hi,
If your using a thumb drive
As long as you have lisence, your good to go,
You can either run in demo, or you can be authorized.
Check out,

http://freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-MAGic-usb-drive.asp#downloa
d
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Well,,

The intent of the thumb drive version is I think meant as a temporary usage
of JAWS on another machine, so I would expect that it be operating either in
40-minute mode, or operating unimpeded until the thumb drive is removed.
Anyone know which of these are true?

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brent Harding" <brent@hostany.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:41
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Yes, but that machine still needs an authorization or dongle. What would be
nice is if FS made a dongle that had a copy of Jaws already on it for those
situations.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Hello there;
Yes indeed, the thumb drive solution for jaws is a good one.
Providing you have a licenced copy running on home computer, it is merely
downloading and extracting files to a thumb drive,
Then Daughter can cary the thumb drive with her, and use it on any
machine.

Hope this helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Richard,

Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home
usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site,
downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13.
daughter's
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that?

So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and
use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the
product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.

I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's
house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically
sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen
reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.

Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed
and see what happens.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when
in remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only
means that if you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are
having the two products communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS
can be used as authorization in that case?

Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?

I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of
authorization.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58
dongle and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the
relatively modest amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle
at this point (because of the small size if nothing else). Where it
actually crossed the line though was where some of us (sounds like
this includes you) ended up with the $3K unit in the first place which
included the license for the $1000 program, but nobody mentioned it so
we spent $900 or so on the same license and then began adding on SMA's
by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the
Pacmate solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when
you boot or something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant
revenue stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I
don't have benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From
what I grasp, it seems to me they might come out better reducing some
charges and allowing volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close
association with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact
of the matter is the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky.
(Well, even compared to the mPower from back then). It might not
matter so much to some people, but that Apex it basically attached to
my daughter much of the day. The size and weight difference is a big
deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep wondering if they are
going to come out with something more Apex-like (they meaning FS).
After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it is time
for a facelift.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents
over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to
pervert the use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along
those lines. They guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?

On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and
never paid much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from
PacMate" under the Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very
interesting, indeed. And here I just purchased and received my
dongle to avoid those annoying non-authorization issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At
least to two people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of
this. I get there are reasons to stay current. And I have no problem
with being legal. I support it fully, but I don't support paying for
more than one license for a single user of the product. My question
is if I am paying over and over for the same authorizations and
capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a
license to run a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is
hooked to the computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense, you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and
each has JAWS installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I
had no way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too
much when I bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each
includes apparently includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is
as to what versions are supported by the PAC Mate connection and how
this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test as I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of
v.11. I was hoping to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this
feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and
to upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy
confirmed JAWS is included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I
think this is quite legit., I just want to figure out any
limitations and  options with this feature.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons
to stay current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes
adjustments that FS makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd keep being interrupted in the middle of her thought process
by the need to reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want
to broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run
from a demo copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking
up a PAC Mate (if you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade
show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use
because my daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the
same as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing
okay for now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that
gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is
on a desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this
is just plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had
a paid copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just
trying to look to the future.

On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had to have.  I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally
that there is a huge difference in performance on the Internet
between JAWS 5 andJAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief
trying to do much online.  I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I
need the nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again,
I got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice

Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15 would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar in all this, but still...

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open parent document button

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>

#4703

This was talked about a while back so can someone refresh my memory? I think
it was on this list? I launch my browser and navigate to a page and I get
open paren document button what is this and how to make it stop?

Thanks.

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Re: scripts for Skype

Daniel Tang (dtang) <dtang@...>

#4702

Hello:

JAWS 13 does not work with Skype. How do I find the script for it?
Thank you in advance.

Dan

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-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Smart Eze
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:15 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: scripts for Skype

Why not try "skypeTalking"?  This is what I use.  And it is perfectly OK
for
me.  Google it out!
Regards,  smart

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Martin Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: scripts for Skype

Hello: does anyone know where I can get scripts for Skype for Jaws 13
that
when installed announce when a person comes on line. I have this for
Jaws 12
but I don't remember how I got them. I installed the scripts from Dug
Lee's
page but they don't say when someone comes on line.
Thanks for any help.
Martin Nelson 

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Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>

#4701

Hi,
If your using a thumb drive 
As long as you have lisence, your good to go,
You can either run in demo, or you can be authorized.
Check out,

http://freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-MAGic-usb-drive.asp#downloa
d

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-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Well,,

The intent of the thumb drive version is I think meant as a temporary usage
of JAWS on another machine, so I would expect that it be operating either in
40-minute mode, or operating unimpeded until the thumb drive is removed. 
Anyone know which of these are true?

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brent Harding" <brent@hostany.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:41
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Yes, but that machine still needs an authorization or dongle. What would be
nice is if FS made a dongle that had a copy of Jaws already on it for those
situations.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Hello there;
Yes indeed, the thumb drive solution for jaws is a good one.
Providing you have a licenced copy running on home computer, it is merely
downloading and extracting files to a thumb drive,
Then Daughter can cary the thumb drive with her, and use it on any
machine.

Hope this helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Richard,

Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home
usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site,
downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13.
daughter's
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that?

So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and
use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the
product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.

I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's
house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically
sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen
reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.

Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed
and see what happens.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when
in remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only
means that if you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are
having the two products communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS
can be used as authorization in that case?

Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?

I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of
authorization.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58
dongle and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the
relatively modest amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle
at this point (because of the small size if nothing else). Where it
actually crossed the line though was where some of us (sounds like
this includes you) ended up with the $3K unit in the first place which
included the license for the $1000 program, but nobody mentioned it so
we spent $900 or so on the same license and then began adding on SMA's
by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the
Pacmate solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when
you boot or something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant
revenue stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I
don't have benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From
what I grasp, it seems to me they might come out better reducing some
charges and allowing volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close
association with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact
of the matter is the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky.
(Well, even compared to the mPower from back then). It might not
matter so much to some people, but that Apex it basically attached to
my daughter much of the day. The size and weight difference is a big
deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep wondering if they are
going to come out with something more Apex-like (they meaning FS).
After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it is time
for a facelift.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents
over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to
pervert the use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along
those lines. They guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?

On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and
never paid much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from
PacMate" under the Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very
interesting, indeed. And here I just purchased and received my
dongle to avoid those annoying non-authorization issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At
least to two people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of
this. I get there are reasons to stay current. And I have no problem
with being legal. I support it fully, but I don't support paying for
more than one license for a single user of the product. My question
is if I am paying over and over for the same authorizations and
capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a
license to run a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is
hooked to the computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense, you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and
each has JAWS installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I
had no way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too
much when I bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each
includes apparently includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is
as to what versions are supported by the PAC Mate connection and how
this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test as I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of
v.11. I was hoping to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this
feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and
to upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy
confirmed JAWS is included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I
think this is quite legit., I just want to figure out any
limitations and  options with this feature.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons
to stay current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes
adjustments that FS makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd keep being interrupted in the middle of her thought process
by the need to reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want
to broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run
from a demo copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking
up a PAC Mate (if you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade
show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use
because my daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the
same as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing
okay for now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that
gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is
on a desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this
is just plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had
a paid copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just
trying to look to the future.

On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had to have.  I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally
that there is a huge difference in performance on the Internet
between JAWS 5 andJAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief
trying to do much online.  I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I
need the nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again,
I got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice

Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15 would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar in all this, but still...

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Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Dave...

#4700

Well,,

The intent of the thumb drive version is I think meant as a temporary usage 
of JAWS on another machine, so I would expect that it be operating either in 
40-minute mode, or operating unimpeded until the thumb drive is removed. 
Anyone know which of these are true?

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

Show quoted text

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brent Harding" <brent@hostany.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:41
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Yes, but that machine still needs an authorization or dongle. What would be
nice is if FS made a dongle that had a copy of Jaws already on it for those
situations.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Hello there;
Yes indeed, the thumb drive solution for jaws is a good one.
Providing you have a licenced copy running on home computer, it is merely
downloading and extracting files to a thumb drive,
Then Daughter can cary the thumb drive with her, and use it on any
machine.

Hope this helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Richard,

Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home
usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site,
downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13.
daughter's
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that?

So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and
use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the
product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.

I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's
house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically
sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen
reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.

Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed
and see what happens.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when
in remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only
means that if you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are
having the two products communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS
can be used as authorization in that case?

Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?

I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of
authorization.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58
dongle and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the
relatively modest amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle
at this point (because of the small size if nothing else). Where it
actually crossed the line though was where some of us (sounds like
this includes you) ended up with the $3K unit in the first place which
included the license for the $1000 program, but nobody mentioned it so
we spent $900 or so on the same license and then began adding on SMA's
by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the
Pacmate solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when
you boot or something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant
revenue stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I
don't have benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From
what I grasp, it seems to me they might come out better reducing some
charges and allowing volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close
association with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact
of the matter is the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky.
(Well, even compared to the mPower from back then). It might not
matter so much to some people, but that Apex it basically attached to
my daughter much of the day. The size and weight difference is a big
deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep wondering if they are
going to come out with something more Apex-like (they meaning FS).
After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it is time
for a facelift.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents
over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to
pervert the use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along
those lines. They guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?

On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and
never paid much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from
PacMate" under the Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very
interesting, indeed. And here I just purchased and received my
dongle to avoid those annoying non-authorization issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At
least to two people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of
this. I get there are reasons to stay current. And I have no problem
with being legal. I support it fully, but I don't support paying for
more than one license for a single user of the product. My question
is if I am paying over and over for the same authorizations and
capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a
license to run a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is
hooked to the computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense, you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and
each has JAWS installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I
had no way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too
much when I bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each
includes apparently includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is
as to what versions are supported by the PAC Mate connection and how
this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test as I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of
v.11. I was hoping to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this
feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and
to upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy
confirmed JAWS is included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I
think this is quite legit., I just want to figure out any
limitations and  options with this feature.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons
to stay current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes
adjustments that FS makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd keep being interrupted in the middle of her thought process
by the need to reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want
to broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run
from a demo copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking
up a PAC Mate (if you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade
show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use
because my daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the
same as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing
okay for now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that
gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is
on a desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this
is just plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had
a paid copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just
trying to look to the future.

On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had to have.  I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally
that there is a huge difference in performance on the Internet
between JAWS 5 andJAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief
trying to do much online.  I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I
need the nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again,
I got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice

Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15 would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar in all this, but still...

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Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Brent Harding

#4699

Yes, but that machine still needs an authorization or dongle. What would be nice is if FS made a dongle that had a copy of Jaws already on it for those situations.

Show quoted text

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Hello there;
Yes indeed, the thumb drive solution for jaws is a good one.
Providing you have a licenced copy running on home computer, it is merely
downloading and extracting files to a thumb drive,
Then Daughter can cary the thumb drive with her, and use it on any machine.

Hope this helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Richard,

Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home
usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site,
downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13.
daughter's
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that?

So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and
use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the
product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.

I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's
house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically
sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen
reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.

Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed
and see what happens.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when
in remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only
means that if you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are
having the two products communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS
can be used as authorization in that case?

Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?

I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of
authorization.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58
dongle and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the
relatively modest amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle
at this point (because of the small size if nothing else). Where it
actually crossed the line though was where some of us (sounds like
this includes you) ended up with the $3K unit in the first place which
included the license for the $1000 program, but nobody mentioned it so
we spent $900 or so on the same license and then began adding on SMA's
by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the
Pacmate solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when
you boot or something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant
revenue stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I
don't have benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From
what I grasp, it seems to me they might come out better reducing some
charges and allowing volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close
association with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact
of the matter is the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky.
(Well, even compared to the mPower from back then). It might not
matter so much to some people, but that Apex it basically attached to
my daughter much of the day. The size and weight difference is a big
deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep wondering if they are
going to come out with something more Apex-like (they meaning FS).
After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it is time
for a facelift.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents
over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to
pervert the use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along
those lines. They guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?

On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and
never paid much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from
PacMate" under the Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very
interesting, indeed. And here I just purchased and received my
dongle to avoid those annoying non-authorization issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At
least to two people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of
this. I get there are reasons to stay current. And I have no problem
with being legal. I support it fully, but I don't support paying for
more than one license for a single user of the product. My question
is if I am paying over and over for the same authorizations and
capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a
license to run a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is
hooked to the computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense, you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and
each has JAWS installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I
had no way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too
much when I bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each
includes apparently includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is
as to what versions are supported by the PAC Mate connection and how
this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test as I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of
v.11. I was hoping to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this
feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and
to upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy
confirmed JAWS is included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I
think this is quite legit., I just want to figure out any
limitations and  options with this feature.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons
to stay current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes
adjustments that FS makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd keep being interrupted in the middle of her thought process
by the need to reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want
to broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run
from a demo copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking
up a PAC Mate (if you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade
show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use
because my daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the
same as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing
okay for now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that
gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is
on a desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this
is just plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had
a paid copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just
trying to look to the future.

On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had to have.  I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally
that there is a huge difference in performance on the Internet
between JAWS 5 andJAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief
trying to do much online.  I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I
need the nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again,
I got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice

Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15 would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar in all this, but still...

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Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>

#4698

Hello there;
Yes indeed, the thumb drive solution for jaws is a good one.
Providing you have a licenced copy running on home computer, it is merely
downloading and extracting files to a thumb drive,
Then Daughter can cary the thumb drive with her, and use it on any machine.

Hope this helps.

Show quoted text

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Richard,

Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home
usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site,
downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13.
daughter's
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that?

So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and
use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the
product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.

I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's
house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically
sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen
reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.

Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed
and see what happens.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when 
in remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only 
means that if you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are 
having the two products communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS 
can be used as authorization in that case?

Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?

I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of 
authorization.

Dave Carlson
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Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58 
dongle and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the 
relatively modest amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle 
at this point (because of the small size if nothing else). Where it 
actually crossed the line though was where some of us (sounds like 
this includes you) ended up with the $3K unit in the first place which 
included the license for the $1000 program, but nobody mentioned it so 
we spent $900 or so on the same license and then began adding on SMA's 
by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the 
Pacmate solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when 
you boot or something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant 
revenue stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I 
don't have benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From 
what I grasp, it seems to me they might come out better reducing some 
charges and allowing volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close 
association with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact 
of the matter is the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky. 
(Well, even compared to the mPower from back then). It might not 
matter so much to some people, but that Apex it basically attached to 
my daughter much of the day. The size and weight difference is a big 
deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep wondering if they are 
going to come out with something more Apex-like (they meaning FS). 
After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it is time 
for a facelift.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents 
over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form 
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to 
pervert the use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along 
those lines. They guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
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Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific 
somehow?

On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and 
never paid much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from 
PacMate" under the Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very 
interesting, indeed. And here I just purchased and received my 
dongle to avoid those annoying non-authorization issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
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Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At 
least to two people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of 
this. I get there are reasons to stay current. And I have no problem 
with being legal. I support it fully, but I don't support paying for 
more than one license for a single user of the product. My question 
is if I am paying over and over for the same authorizations and 
capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show 
that a PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a 
license to run a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is 
hooked to the computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes 
sense, you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and 
each has JAWS installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I 
had no way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too 
much when I bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each 
includes apparently includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is 
as to what versions are supported by the PAC Mate connection and how 
this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to 
test as I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of 
v.11. I was hoping to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this 
feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and 
to upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy 
confirmed JAWS is included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I 
think this is quite legit., I just want to figure out any 
limitations and  options with this feature.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons 
to stay current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes 
adjustments that FS makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because 
she'd keep being interrupted in the middle of her thought process 
by the need to reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want 
to broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com 
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run 
from a demo copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking 
up a PAC Mate (if you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade 
show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use 
because my daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the 
same as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing 
okay for now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that 
gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from 
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is 
on a desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this 
is just plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had 
a paid copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just 
trying to look to the future.

On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the 
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I 
had to have.  I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally 
that there is a huge difference in performance on the Internet 
between JAWS 5 andJAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to 
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief 
trying to do much online.  I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I 
need the nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, 
I got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice

Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you 
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through 
15 would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for 
$100less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the 
dollar in all this, but still...

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Re: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?

Robbie Curtis <essence64@...>

#4697

Thanks for that information Jerald.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
Sent: Nov 8, 2011 2:51 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?

Solona is no longer functioning.  The only way to solve image captchas is 
with the Webvisum add-on for Firefox.  The creator of Solona became ill over 
a year ago and was unable to continue running it on a consistent basis.

Gerald

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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:05 PM
Subject: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?

Hello Everyone,

Recently I have noticed that my Solona is not working.  I've even tried to 
go to the web page without success.  Is anyone else having trouble?  I am 
using JAWS 10 AND 12.  Thanks for any information.

Robbie J. Curtis
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Re: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?

Gerald Levy

#4696

Solona is no longer functioning.  The only way to solve image captchas is with the Webvisum add-on for Firefox.  The creator of Solona became ill over a year ago and was unable to continue running it on a consistent basis.

Gerald

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Subject: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?


Hello Everyone,

Recently I have noticed that my Solona is not working.  I've even tried to go to the web page without success.  Is anyone else having trouble?  I am using JAWS 10 AND 12.  Thanks for any information.

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Re: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?

Robbie Curtis <essence64@...>

#4695

Hi Dave,

Thanks for that information.  Hadn't heard that the service was being discontinued.  If I may ask, what are you using for captias?  Thanks.

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Sent: Nov 8, 2011 2:27 PM
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Subject: Re: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?

I think the service is gone.
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Subject: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?


Hello Everyone,

Recently I have noticed that my Solona is not working.  I've even tried to 
go to the web page without success.  Is anyone else having trouble?  I am 
using JAWS 10 AND 12.  Thanks for any information.

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Re: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?

Dave...

#4694

I think the service is gone.
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Hello Everyone,

Recently I have noticed that my Solona is not working.  I've even tried to 
go to the web page without success.  Is anyone else having trouble?  I am 
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