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Re: Jaws 11 / Focus 40 BT

shparker@...

#4616

Richard,

You might try setting Jaws into keyboard help mode by pressing the Jaws key and F1.  Once you've done that, try pressing the navigation row keys.  On the Focus 80 display, navigation row key 43 cycles between contracted Braille off, contracted Braille for display, and contracted Braille for input.  Of course, you won't have a navigation row 43 key, but perhaps a different key is assigned for this purpose for the Focus 40.  Don't forget to press Jaws key and F1 again to get back to normal operation.

Hope this helps,

Steve Parker

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 11 / Focus 40 BT

Thanks. I do find the contracted braille option there but that seems to be for just the display itself, not the keyboard input style. The display is showing contracted content. I noticed it was set to use a Pacmate display as the default and corrected it to a FOCUS display, but it didn't make any obvious changes to what is happening. Obviously the Pacmate display (when removed and used as a standalone) is just that-- a display. The FOCUS 40 BT is a Braille Keyboard and a Display.

Then again, the menu option only says "FOCUS", and I think all except the Bluetooth FOCUS display have no braille keyboard. Maybe the proper driver is simply missing? Hopefully I can get to them at FS on the phone soon. I think either a driver is missing or I must be overlooking some sort of keyboard preferences option somewhere...

I also have yet to get the keyboard working as a Bluetooth device. I can get it to show up as "paired", but something is wrong when I use it that way-- nothing happens except that the device does come on and the device name pops up in braille (and in the bluetooth list of the computer) so it is indeed coming on. It simply has to be plugged in via USB right now to be used.

Most of the problem is probably my lack of familiarity with all of this stuff. It is just all very different that what I'm familiar with. (I'm a Macintosh Graphics person. )

If I figure anything out I'll post it in case others are interested.

Thanks,

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:

Under setting center, go to Braille, general, translation options.  I suppose just tinker there, but it sounds like the right place.

Good luck!

Hi Richard,

I don't know the answer to your question, but Freedom Scientific
might. You may want to give them a call.

1-727-803-8600.

Kim

On 11/2/11, Richard Holloway <rholloway@gopbc.org> wrote:
My daughter has been using her FS Focus 40 BT in uncontracted braille mode
with Jaws 11 for quite a while, but she had use one before in contracted
mode. I believe she said it always displays contracted but she has to type
uncontracted. I actually didn't realize the keyboard was running
uncontracted as she flies along pretty quickly and it looks the same to
confused sighted parents like myself trying to keep track of our
braille-using kids.

Can someone tell me how to toggle between contracted and uncontracted (grade
2 / grade 1) please? I suspect it is a simple keystroke, but I'm not finding
the solution in the print manual, nor does my third grader see it in the
braille version. (She's actually often able to find things like this for
herself.)

Thanks so much for any help with this.
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Re: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Godwin Adoyi

#4615

Whao! It works like a champ. Thanks,
Godwin

Show quoted text

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 5:35 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Symbol announcement by JAWS

If windows is telling you there is no file association just say you'll pick a program yourself and choose notepad from the dialog.

On 11/4/11, Godwin Adoyi <gadoyi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I need some help here. I can't open the .sbl file. Pls help.
Godwin

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com 
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dondi
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 8:24 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Hi,

Thanks for sharing my JAWS now pronounces / as forward slash instead 
of as slash.

Dondi

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com 
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Hamid, I'm copying below most of a ten-day-old thread that I believe 
addresses your question.

On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:47 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

You can add symbols by editing the *.sbl files in your jaws profile 
directory (either your personal user profile or the all users 
pdirectory)

For example, I have added the following to my c:\Users\All 
Users\Freedom
Scientific\Jaws\13.0\Settings\enu\eloq.sbl:

Symbol138=U+3A3=Cap Sigma
symbol139=u+03c3 11111111 small sigma
Symbol140=U+00FB 11111111 Checkmark

to the American English section.

And now jaws speaks those particular characters. Note that after 
editing the .spl file you have to restart jaws, it does not pick up 
the changes automatically. Also, in order to edit the shared profile, 
you either need to change the security permissions on the files or run 
your editor as administrator.

I learned of this after asking FS basically the same question.

On 9/27/11, Zaheer Sheikh <cybergeek2020@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Mike,

I use alt+251 to insert the Square Root symbol. As you already 
mentioned, jaws will read it as letter "v". You can add the Square 
Root symbol in the default dictionary manager, and then jaws will read it correctly.

This is how I did it:

1. Open notepad.
2. Press ALT+251, this will insert the Square Root symbol.
3. Note that Jaws will read the Square Root symbol as letter "V".
4. Select and copy the symbol without any spaces.
5. Open the Jaws default dictionary manager from the Jaws utilities submenu.
6. Select the Add button to add new entry in the Dictionary.
6. Paste the symbol in the "Actual word" edit box.
7. Type "Square Root" in the "Replacement word" edit box.
8. Tab to OK.

Hope this helps,

Zaheer Sheikh

On 9/27/11, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote: Mike,

I don't have a definite answer, but here are three possibilities to explore:

1. Add 0 before the 251 code. Thus 0251

2. In the past, some listers came to the conclusion that the process 
you describe produces not ASCII, but ANSI code. I've just now been 
looking around the Net for an ANSI codes list, but I couldn't find an 
accessible one quickly. It might be worth a try.

3. I may be reading this wrong, but an ASCII table I just looked at 
indicates that the ASCII code for square root isn't 251, but 252.

Let us know if you find an answer.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Mike & Barbara
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

Hi Dave;

The ascii code for the checkmark / square root symbol is supposed to 
be, Alt

+ 251, but when this ascii symbol is typed inserted, Jaws reads the 
+ letter,
V. I am assuming this is because, possibly anyways, that the checkmark 
/ square root symbol resembles the letter, V. What do you think? Also, 
I as of yet, have found no way to add extra symbols to the symbols 
list, i.e., Insert + 4 on the number row. Thank you very much for your reply. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Farfar on Laptop
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

Mike,

You know about the Insert+4 symbols list, I'm sure. However it does 
not have these in the list. I'd sure like to find out how to add 
symbols to this list.

Other than that, you'll need to find out the ASCII character code or 
graphical code equivalent to these and use the numpad to enter them. 
Hold down Alt and type the numbers from the numpad to insert special characters.

Dave Carlson From my Dell Latitude 630.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "JFW List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:30
Subject: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

How do I type a checkmark / square root symbol using Jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com 
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Hamid Hamraz
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:10 AM
To: JFW
Subject: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Hi all,

I have found out that some special symbols within a text are 
completely ignored by jaws. I am meaning those that are not among the 
usual punctuations. For instance, some mathematical symbols like 
times, which looks like a cross, meaning multiplication, is correctly announced by Jaws.
However, another symbol which represents proportionality [∝] is 
completely ignored by jaws. I could define a dictionary entry for such 
symbols. But I am just wondering if there is a more elegant way to 
define how to announce a symbol for jaws. Any idea is welcome!

Cheers,

Hamid

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Re: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Soronel Haetir

#4614

It's a utf-8 text file.  I suggested to FS that they add UI for
manipulating the .spl files but didn't get anything more committal
than usual from them.

Show quoted text

On 11/4/11, Chris Smart <csmart8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
It sounds like you need to associate it with whatever program
usually needs it, works with it etc.

At 01:05 PM 11/4/2011, you wrote:
Hi,
I need some help here. I can't open the .sbl file. Pls help.
Godwin

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dondi
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 8:24 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Hi,

Thanks for sharing my JAWS now pronounces / as forward slash
instead of as
slash.

Dondi

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Hamid, I'm copying below most of a ten-day-old thread that I believe
addresses your question.

On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:47 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

You can add symbols by editing the *.sbl files in your jaws profile
directory (either your personal user profile or the all users
pdirectory)

For example, I have added the following to my c:\Users\All
Users\Freedom
Scientific\Jaws\13.0\Settings\enu\eloq.sbl:

Symbol138=U+3A3=Cap Sigma
symbol139=u+03c3 11111111 small sigma
Symbol140=U+00FB 11111111 Checkmark

to the American English section.

And now jaws speaks those particular characters. Note that after
editing the
.spl file you have to restart jaws, it does not pick up the changes
automatically. Also, in order to edit the shared profile, you
either need to
change the security permissions on the files or run your editor as
administrator.

I learned of this after asking FS basically the same question.

On 9/27/11, Zaheer Sheikh <cybergeek2020@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Mike,

I use alt+251 to insert the Square Root symbol. As you already
mentioned,
jaws will read it as letter "v". You can add the Square Root
symbol in the
default dictionary manager, and then jaws will read it correctly.

This is how I did it:

1. Open notepad.
2. Press ALT+251, this will insert the Square Root symbol.
3. Note that Jaws will read the Square Root symbol as letter "V".
4. Select and copy the symbol without any spaces.
5. Open the Jaws default dictionary manager from the Jaws
utilities submenu.
6. Select the Add button to add new entry in the Dictionary.
6. Paste the symbol in the "Actual word" edit box.
7. Type "Square Root" in the "Replacement word" edit box.
8. Tab to OK.

Hope this helps,

Zaheer Sheikh

On 9/27/11, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote: Mike,

I don't have a definite answer, but here are three possibilities
to explore:

1. Add 0 before the 251 code. Thus 0251

2. In the past, some listers came to the conclusion that the
process you
describe produces not ASCII, but ANSI code. I've just now been looking
around the Net for an ANSI codes list, but I couldn't find an
accessible one
quickly. It might be worth a try.

3. I may be reading this wrong, but an ASCII table I just looked at
indicates that the ASCII code for square root isn't 251, but 252.

Let us know if you find an answer.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Mike & Barbara
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

Hi Dave;

The ascii code for the checkmark / square root symbol is supposed
to be, Alt

+ 251, but when this ascii symbol is typed inserted, Jaws reads the
+ letter,
V. I am assuming this is because, possibly anyways, that the
checkmark /
square root symbol resembles the letter, V. What do you think?
Also, I as of
yet, have found no way to add extra symbols to the symbols list, i.e.,
Insert + 4 on the number row. Thank you very much for your reply.
Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Farfar on Laptop
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

Mike,

You know about the Insert+4 symbols list, I'm sure. However it
does not have
these in the list. I'd sure like to find out how to add symbols to
this
list.

Other than that, you'll need to find out the ASCII character code or
graphical code equivalent to these and use the numpad to enter
them. Hold
down Alt and type the numbers from the numpad to insert special
characters.

Dave Carlson From my Dell Latitude 630.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "JFW List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:30
Subject: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

How do I type a checkmark / square root symbol using Jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Hamid Hamraz
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:10 AM
To: JFW
Subject: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Hi all,

I have found out that some special symbols within a text are
completely
ignored by jaws. I am meaning those that are not among the usual
punctuations. For instance, some mathematical symbols like times,
which
looks like a cross, meaning multiplication, is correctly announced
by Jaws.
However, another symbol which represents proportionality [$B"g(B]
is completely
ignored by jaws. I could define a dictionary entry for such
symbols. But I
am just wondering if there is a more elegant way to define how to
announce a
symbol for jaws. Any idea is welcome!

Cheers,

Hamid


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Re: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>

#4613

It sounds like you need to associate it with whatever program usually needs it, works with it etc.

At 01:05 PM 11/4/2011, you wrote:
Hi,
I need some help here. I can't open the .sbl file. Pls help.
Godwin

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dondi
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 8:24 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Hi,

Thanks for sharing my JAWS now pronounces / as forward slash instead of as
slash.

Dondi

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Hamid, I'm copying below most of a ten-day-old thread that I believe
addresses your question.

On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:47 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

You can add symbols by editing the *.sbl files in your jaws profile
directory (either your personal user profile or the all users pdirectory)

For example, I have added the following to my c:\Users\All Users\Freedom
Scientific\Jaws\13.0\Settings\enu\eloq.sbl:

Symbol138=U+3A3=Cap Sigma
symbol139=u+03c3 11111111 small sigma
Symbol140=U+00FB 11111111 Checkmark

to the American English section.

And now jaws speaks those particular characters. Note that after editing the
.spl file you have to restart jaws, it does not pick up the changes
automatically. Also, in order to edit the shared profile, you either need to
change the security permissions on the files or run your editor as
administrator.

I learned of this after asking FS basically the same question.

On 9/27/11, Zaheer Sheikh <cybergeek2020@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Mike,

I use alt+251 to insert the Square Root symbol. As you already mentioned,
jaws will read it as letter "v". You can add the Square Root symbol in the
default dictionary manager, and then jaws will read it correctly.

This is how I did it:

1. Open notepad.
2. Press ALT+251, this will insert the Square Root symbol.
3. Note that Jaws will read the Square Root symbol as letter "V".
4. Select and copy the symbol without any spaces.
5. Open the Jaws default dictionary manager from the Jaws utilities submenu.
6. Select the Add button to add new entry in the Dictionary.
6. Paste the symbol in the "Actual word" edit box.
7. Type "Square Root" in the "Replacement word" edit box.
8. Tab to OK.

Hope this helps,

Zaheer Sheikh

On 9/27/11, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote: Mike,

I don't have a definite answer, but here are three possibilities to explore:

1. Add 0 before the 251 code. Thus 0251

2. In the past, some listers came to the conclusion that the process you
describe produces not ASCII, but ANSI code. I've just now been looking
around the Net for an ANSI codes list, but I couldn't find an accessible one
quickly. It might be worth a try.

3. I may be reading this wrong, but an ASCII table I just looked at
indicates that the ASCII code for square root isn't 251, but 252.

Let us know if you find an answer.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Mike & Barbara
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

Hi Dave;

The ascii code for the checkmark / square root symbol is supposed to be, Alt

+ 251, but when this ascii symbol is typed inserted, Jaws reads the
+ letter,
V. I am assuming this is because, possibly anyways, that the checkmark /
square root symbol resembles the letter, V. What do you think? Also, I as of
yet, have found no way to add extra symbols to the symbols list, i.e.,
Insert + 4 on the number row. Thank you very much for your reply. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Farfar on Laptop
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

Mike,

You know about the Insert+4 symbols list, I'm sure. However it does not have
these in the list. I'd sure like to find out how to add symbols to this
list.

Other than that, you'll need to find out the ASCII character code or
graphical code equivalent to these and use the numpad to enter them. Hold
down Alt and type the numbers from the numpad to insert special characters.

Dave Carlson From my Dell Latitude 630.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "JFW List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:30
Subject: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

How do I type a checkmark / square root symbol using Jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Hamid Hamraz
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:10 AM
To: JFW
Subject: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Hi all,

I have found out that some special symbols within a text are completely
ignored by jaws. I am meaning those that are not among the usual
punctuations. For instance, some mathematical symbols like times, which
looks like a cross, meaning multiplication, is correctly announced by Jaws.
However, another symbol which represents proportionality [$B"g(B] is completely
ignored by jaws. I could define a dictionary entry for such symbols. But I
am just wondering if there is a more elegant way to define how to announce a
symbol for jaws. Any idea is welcome!

Cheers,

Hamid


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Re: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Soronel Haetir

#4612

If windows is telling you there is no file association just say you'll
pick a program yourself and choose notepad from the dialog.

Show quoted text

On 11/4/11, Godwin Adoyi <gadoyi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I need some help here. I can't open the .sbl file. Pls help.
Godwin

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dondi
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 8:24 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Hi,

Thanks for sharing my JAWS now pronounces / as forward slash instead of as
slash.

Dondi

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Hamid, I'm copying below most of a ten-day-old thread that I believe
addresses your question.

On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:47 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

You can add symbols by editing the *.sbl files in your jaws profile
directory (either your personal user profile or the all users pdirectory)

For example, I have added the following to my c:\Users\All Users\Freedom
Scientific\Jaws\13.0\Settings\enu\eloq.sbl:

Symbol138=U+3A3=Cap Sigma
symbol139=u+03c3 11111111 small sigma
Symbol140=U+00FB 11111111 Checkmark

to the American English section.

And now jaws speaks those particular characters. Note that after editing the
.spl file you have to restart jaws, it does not pick up the changes
automatically. Also, in order to edit the shared profile, you either need to
change the security permissions on the files or run your editor as
administrator.

I learned of this after asking FS basically the same question.

On 9/27/11, Zaheer Sheikh <cybergeek2020@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Mike,

I use alt+251 to insert the Square Root symbol. As you already mentioned,
jaws will read it as letter "v". You can add the Square Root symbol in the
default dictionary manager, and then jaws will read it correctly.

This is how I did it:

1. Open notepad.
2. Press ALT+251, this will insert the Square Root symbol.
3. Note that Jaws will read the Square Root symbol as letter "V".
4. Select and copy the symbol without any spaces.
5. Open the Jaws default dictionary manager from the Jaws utilities submenu.
6. Select the Add button to add new entry in the Dictionary.
6. Paste the symbol in the "Actual word" edit box.
7. Type "Square Root" in the "Replacement word" edit box.
8. Tab to OK.

Hope this helps,

Zaheer Sheikh

On 9/27/11, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote: Mike,

I don't have a definite answer, but here are three possibilities to explore:

1. Add 0 before the 251 code. Thus 0251

2. In the past, some listers came to the conclusion that the process you
describe produces not ASCII, but ANSI code. I've just now been looking
around the Net for an ANSI codes list, but I couldn't find an accessible one
quickly. It might be worth a try.

3. I may be reading this wrong, but an ASCII table I just looked at
indicates that the ASCII code for square root isn't 251, but 252.

Let us know if you find an answer.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Mike & Barbara
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

Hi Dave;

The ascii code for the checkmark / square root symbol is supposed to be, Alt

+ 251, but when this ascii symbol is typed inserted, Jaws reads the
+ letter,
V. I am assuming this is because, possibly anyways, that the checkmark /
square root symbol resembles the letter, V. What do you think? Also, I as of
yet, have found no way to add extra symbols to the symbols list, i.e.,
Insert + 4 on the number row. Thank you very much for your reply. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Farfar on Laptop
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

Mike,

You know about the Insert+4 symbols list, I'm sure. However it does not have
these in the list. I'd sure like to find out how to add symbols to this
list.

Other than that, you'll need to find out the ASCII character code or
graphical code equivalent to these and use the numpad to enter them. Hold
down Alt and type the numbers from the numpad to insert special characters.

Dave Carlson From my Dell Latitude 630.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "JFW List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:30
Subject: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

How do I type a checkmark / square root symbol using Jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Hamid Hamraz
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:10 AM
To: JFW
Subject: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Hi all,

I have found out that some special symbols within a text are completely
ignored by jaws. I am meaning those that are not among the usual
punctuations. For instance, some mathematical symbols like times, which
looks like a cross, meaning multiplication, is correctly announced by Jaws.
However, another symbol which represents proportionality [∝] is completely
ignored by jaws. I could define a dictionary entry for such symbols. But I
am just wondering if there is a more elegant way to define how to announce a
symbol for jaws. Any idea is welcome!

Cheers,

Hamid

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Re: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Godwin Adoyi

#4611

Hi,
I need some help here. I can't open the .sbl file. Pls help.
Godwin

Show quoted text

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dondi
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 8:24 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Hi,

Thanks for sharing my JAWS now pronounces / as forward slash instead of as
slash.

Dondi

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Hamid, I'm copying below most of a ten-day-old thread that I believe
addresses your question.

On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:47 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

You can add symbols by editing the *.sbl files in your jaws profile
directory (either your personal user profile or the all users pdirectory)

For example, I have added the following to my c:\Users\All Users\Freedom
Scientific\Jaws\13.0\Settings\enu\eloq.sbl:

Symbol138=U+3A3=Cap Sigma
symbol139=u+03c3 11111111 small sigma
Symbol140=U+00FB 11111111 Checkmark

to the American English section.

And now jaws speaks those particular characters. Note that after editing the
.spl file you have to restart jaws, it does not pick up the changes
automatically. Also, in order to edit the shared profile, you either need to
change the security permissions on the files or run your editor as
administrator.

I learned of this after asking FS basically the same question.

On 9/27/11, Zaheer Sheikh <cybergeek2020@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Mike,

I use alt+251 to insert the Square Root symbol. As you already mentioned,
jaws will read it as letter "v". You can add the Square Root symbol in the
default dictionary manager, and then jaws will read it correctly.

This is how I did it:

1. Open notepad.
2. Press ALT+251, this will insert the Square Root symbol.
3. Note that Jaws will read the Square Root symbol as letter "V".
4. Select and copy the symbol without any spaces.
5. Open the Jaws default dictionary manager from the Jaws utilities submenu.
6. Select the Add button to add new entry in the Dictionary.
6. Paste the symbol in the "Actual word" edit box.
7. Type "Square Root" in the "Replacement word" edit box.
8. Tab to OK.

Hope this helps,

Zaheer Sheikh

On 9/27/11, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote: Mike,

I don't have a definite answer, but here are three possibilities to explore:

1. Add 0 before the 251 code. Thus 0251

2. In the past, some listers came to the conclusion that the process you
describe produces not ASCII, but ANSI code. I've just now been looking
around the Net for an ANSI codes list, but I couldn't find an accessible one
quickly. It might be worth a try.

3. I may be reading this wrong, but an ASCII table I just looked at
indicates that the ASCII code for square root isn't 251, but 252.

Let us know if you find an answer.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Mike & Barbara
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

Hi Dave;

The ascii code for the checkmark / square root symbol is supposed to be, Alt

+ 251, but when this ascii symbol is typed inserted, Jaws reads the
+ letter,
V. I am assuming this is because, possibly anyways, that the checkmark /
square root symbol resembles the letter, V. What do you think? Also, I as of
yet, have found no way to add extra symbols to the symbols list, i.e.,
Insert + 4 on the number row. Thank you very much for your reply. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Farfar on Laptop
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

Mike,

You know about the Insert+4 symbols list, I'm sure. However it does not have
these in the list. I'd sure like to find out how to add symbols to this
list.

Other than that, you'll need to find out the ASCII character code or
graphical code equivalent to these and use the numpad to enter them. Hold
down Alt and type the numbers from the numpad to insert special characters.

Dave Carlson From my Dell Latitude 630.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "JFW List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:30
Subject: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

How do I type a checkmark / square root symbol using Jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Hamid Hamraz
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:10 AM
To: JFW
Subject: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Hi all,

I have found out that some special symbols within a text are completely
ignored by jaws. I am meaning those that are not among the usual
punctuations. For instance, some mathematical symbols like times, which
looks like a cross, meaning multiplication, is correctly announced by Jaws.
However, another symbol which represents proportionality [∝] is completely
ignored by jaws. I could define a dictionary entry for such symbols. But I
am just wondering if there is a more elegant way to define how to announce a
symbol for jaws. Any idea is welcome!

Cheers,

Hamid

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Re: jaws 13 start up after logging in

Mike & Barbara <mb69mach1@...>

#4610

Hi Kimsan,

Check & make sure that something isn't running a quick scan on start-up, 
like SuperAnti Spyware or MSSe.  Take care.
Mike

Show quoted text

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kimsan
  To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
  Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:17 PM
  Subject: RE: jaws 13 start up after logging in


  It is " ridiculous" but it's the truth.
  I will do a jaws repair then using this windows 7 pro that I have...

  -----Original Message-----
  From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
  On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
  Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:55 PM
  To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
  Subject: Re: jaws 13 start up after logging in

  That's ridiculous. a minute or two might be acceptable. If you're not 
using
  Windows 7 that will eventually learn to speed things up with each reboot,
  I'd do a repair on JAWS 13.

  Dave Carlson
  Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
  To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
  Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 20:44
  Subject: RE: jaws 13 start up after logging in


  five-to-10 minutes.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
  On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
  Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:33 PM
  To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
  Subject: Re: jaws 13 start up after logging in

  Kimsan,

  How long is "long"?

  Dave Carlson
  Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
  To: "jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
  Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:30
  Subject: jaws 13 start up after logging in


  Hi,

  I installed jfw 13 yesturday and I am noticing after I log in, jaws either
  doesn't start or it takes a while before it starts.

  The necessary boxes are checked to start automatically for all users and
  etc.

  I have jfw 12 and 13 on here but have 13 set to start up at the log on
  window and after I log into windows but again, it is either lagging after
  windo logs in or it isn't starting. Any ideas?

  Thank you.



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Re: JAWS cannot detect contents of Install Shield Update Manager

Joni Colver <earlybird@...>

#4609

Adrian, I don't know if this will be of any help because I am not familiar 
with this program, but I found some information about something called 
Install Shield at:

http://consumer.installshield.com/faqs_us.asp

Apologies if this is not on the right track, and good luck resolving the 
annoying issue.

Joni

Show quoted text

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
This morning while I wasn't at my computer, I heard a rapid-fire burst of
JAWS speech. When I got to the keyboard, whatever message had been spoken
had disappeared. However, my system tray has a new item: "Install Shield
Update Manager." This has happened many times before, and every time I can't
find what is going on. Here's what I try:

1. Press enter on the system tray item. I'm taken to the start button,
indicating I've been bounced out of the system tray.

2. Instead of pressing enter, I press JAWS left mouse click on the item.
Result? I'm taken right back to the application I had been in. ditto with
JAWS right click and the applications key.

3. In all these stages, I switch to the JAWS cursor and arrow around in
search of a clue, but in vain.

Whatever is going on is disruptive. I'll soon have to reboot. past
experience shows that after that, the system tray item goes away.

JAWS cannot detect contents of Install Shield Update Manager

Adrian Spratt

#4608

This morning while I wasn't at my computer, I heard a rapid-fire burst of
JAWS speech. When I got to the keyboard, whatever message had been spoken
had disappeared. However, my system tray has a new item: "Install Shield
Update Manager." This has happened many times before, and every time I can't
find what is going on. Here's what I try:
 
1. Press enter on the system tray item. I'm taken to the start button,
indicating I've been bounced out of the system tray.
 
2. Instead of pressing enter, I press JAWS left mouse click on the item.
Result? I'm taken right back to the application I had been in. ditto with
JAWS right click and the applications key. 
 
3. In all these stages, I switch to the JAWS cursor and arrow around in
search of a clue, but in vain.
 
Whatever is going on is disruptive. I'll soon have to reboot. past
experience shows that after that, the system tray item goes away.
 
Any ideas?
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Re: Help Required for MS Outlook 2003

Adrian Spratt

#4607

Kevin,

This sluggishness is familiar. My solution is periodically  to close down
Outlook 2003 and JAWS, at least once a day. Both are memory hogs. Wait maybe
thirty seconds to bring them back up. 

The problem was much worse when I had a certain antivirus program installed.
When I replaced it with Nod32, Outlook performed much better, though I still
need to unload it once a day.

Recently, I reduced JAWS's sluggishness by updating the drivers throughout
my system with the application Driver Detective. I found it helpful to have
sighted assistance during the updating process.

----The only difference between my configuration and yours is that you have
XP Home while I have XP. This may be an unhelpful distraction, but I didn't
think XP Home was designed to work with a network, and your system seems to
be hooked up to one. I wonder if that's something to look into.-
Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Ketan Kothari
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 6:38 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Help Required for MS Outlook 2003

Dear Friends,

I use MS Outlook 2003 for connecting to my office exchange server and only
use its mail function.  I am using Windows XP home with JAWS 12 and I am
having severe problem.  It works very slow and sometimes leads to computer
hanging up.  I have 2 GB of RAM.  Could there be specific settings for JFW
to make it more friendly?  I would appreciate urgent help.  Thank you.

Ketan Kothari
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Help Required for MS Outlook 2003

Ketan Kothari <muktaketan@...>

#4606

Dear Friends,

I use MS Outlook 2003 for connecting to my office exchange server and only use its mail function.  I am using Windows XP home with JAWS 12 and I am having severe problem.  It works very slow and sometimes leads to computer hanging up.  I have 2 GB of RAM.  Could there be specific settings for JFW to make it more friendly?  I would appreciate urgent help.  Thank you.

Ketan Kothari
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Re: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Dondi

#4605

Hi,

Thanks for sharing my JAWS now pronounces / as forward slash instead of as
slash.

Dondi

Show quoted text

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Hamid, I'm copying below most of a ten-day-old thread that I believe
addresses your question.

On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:47 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

You can add symbols by editing the *.sbl files in your jaws profile
directory (either your personal user profile or the all users pdirectory)

For example, I have added the following to my c:\Users\All Users\Freedom
Scientific\Jaws\13.0\Settings\enu\eloq.sbl:

Symbol138=U+3A3=Cap Sigma
symbol139=u+03c3 11111111 small sigma
Symbol140=U+00FB 11111111 Checkmark

to the American English section.

And now jaws speaks those particular characters. Note that after editing the
.spl file you have to restart jaws, it does not pick up the changes
automatically. Also, in order to edit the shared profile, you either need to
change the security permissions on the files or run your editor as
administrator.

I learned of this after asking FS basically the same question.

On 9/27/11, Zaheer Sheikh <cybergeek2020@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Mike,

I use alt+251 to insert the Square Root symbol. As you already mentioned,
jaws will read it as letter "v". You can add the Square Root symbol in the
default dictionary manager, and then jaws will read it correctly.

This is how I did it:

1. Open notepad.
2. Press ALT+251, this will insert the Square Root symbol.
3. Note that Jaws will read the Square Root symbol as letter "V".
4. Select and copy the symbol without any spaces.
5. Open the Jaws default dictionary manager from the Jaws utilities submenu.
6. Select the Add button to add new entry in the Dictionary.
6. Paste the symbol in the "Actual word" edit box.
7. Type "Square Root" in the "Replacement word" edit box.
8. Tab to OK.

Hope this helps,

Zaheer Sheikh

On 9/27/11, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote: Mike,

I don't have a definite answer, but here are three possibilities to explore:

1. Add 0 before the 251 code. Thus 0251

2. In the past, some listers came to the conclusion that the process you
describe produces not ASCII, but ANSI code. I've just now been looking
around the Net for an ANSI codes list, but I couldn't find an accessible one
quickly. It might be worth a try.

3. I may be reading this wrong, but an ASCII table I just looked at
indicates that the ASCII code for square root isn't 251, but 252.

Let us know if you find an answer.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Mike & Barbara
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

Hi Dave;

The ascii code for the checkmark / square root symbol is supposed to be, Alt

+ 251, but when this ascii symbol is typed inserted, Jaws reads the
+ letter,
V. I am assuming this is because, possibly anyways, that the checkmark /
square root symbol resembles the letter, V. What do you think? Also, I as of
yet, have found no way to add extra symbols to the symbols list, i.e.,
Insert + 4 on the number row. Thank you very much for your reply. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Farfar on Laptop
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

Mike,

You know about the Insert+4 symbols list, I'm sure. However it does not have
these in the list. I'd sure like to find out how to add symbols to this
list.

Other than that, you'll need to find out the ASCII character code or
graphical code equivalent to these and use the numpad to enter them. Hold
down Alt and type the numbers from the numpad to insert special characters.

Dave Carlson From my Dell Latitude 630.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "JFW List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:30
Subject: Checkmark / Square Root symbol

How do I type a checkmark / square root symbol using Jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Hamid Hamraz
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:10 AM
To: JFW
Subject: Symbol announcement by JAWS

Hi all,

I have found out that some special symbols within a text are completely
ignored by jaws. I am meaning those that are not among the usual
punctuations. For instance, some mathematical symbols like times, which
looks like a cross, meaning multiplication, is correctly announced by Jaws.
However, another symbol which represents proportionality [∝] is completely
ignored by jaws. I could define a dictionary entry for such symbols. But I
am just wondering if there is a more elegant way to define how to announce a
symbol for jaws. Any idea is welcome!

Cheers,

Hamid

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Re: getting stuck in the tool bar

Curtis Delzer

#4604

that is when control-f6 may do the job.


At 07:10 PM 11/3/2011, you wrote:
I have this too.  Refresh doesn't often work.  To focus the virtual pc cursor, Rout Jaws cursor to the document and left click, hoping not to hit a link and move to another page.

Bob
----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" <bvarner05@comcast.net>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 8:30 AM
Subject: getting stuck in the tool bar


I have not figured out why I seem to get "stuck" in the tool bar.  I'm
running 13 now but seemed to have the same problem with 12.  Sometimes I can
just hit tab a few times and get down into the page, other times hitting tab
just cycles through the toolbar.  Somtimes switching to the virtual cursor
helps, other times nothing helps.



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Re: jaws 13 start up after logging in

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>

#4603

It is " ridiculous" but it's the truth.
I will do a jaws repair then using this windows 7 pro that I have...

Show quoted text

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: jaws 13 start up after logging in

That's ridiculous. a minute or two might be acceptable. If you're not using
Windows 7 that will eventually learn to speed things up with each reboot,
I'd do a repair on JAWS 13.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 20:44
Subject: RE: jaws 13 start up after logging in


five-to-10 minutes.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: jaws 13 start up after logging in

Kimsan,

How long is "long"?

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:30
Subject: jaws 13 start up after logging in


Hi,

I installed jfw 13 yesturday and I am noticing after I log in, jaws either
doesn't start or it takes a while before it starts.

The necessary boxes are checked to start automatically for all users and
etc.

I have jfw 12 and 13 on here but have 13 set to start up at the log on
window and after I log into windows but again, it is either lagging after
windo logs in or it isn't starting. Any ideas?

Thank you.



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Re: jaws 13 start up after logging in

Dave...

#4602

That's ridiculous. a minute or two might be acceptable. If you're not using 
Windows 7 that will eventually learn to speed things up with each reboot, 
I'd do a repair on JAWS 13.

Dave Carlson
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Show quoted text

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 20:44
Subject: RE: jaws 13 start up after logging in


five-to-10 minutes.
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On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: jaws 13 start up after logging in

Kimsan,

How long is "long"?

Dave Carlson
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Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:30
Subject: jaws 13 start up after logging in


Hi,

I installed jfw 13 yesturday and I am noticing after I log in, jaws either
doesn't start or it takes a while before it starts.

The necessary boxes are checked to start automatically for all users and
etc.

I have jfw 12 and 13 on here but have 13 set to start up at the log on
window and after I log into windows but again, it is either lagging after
windo logs in or it isn't starting. Any ideas?

Thank you.



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Re: SMA Notice

Dave...

#4601

Why, you've discovered my secret. Now my pecuniary peccadilloes have been 
brought to the harsh light of public scrutiny.

I am so ashamed.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

Show quoted text

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 20:43
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

And even better if you can get an employer to pay for your laziness.

On 11/3/11, Farfar on Laptop <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Richard,

While using the PacMate (and I haven't test-driven it yet) is available,
it's certainly not convenient for me. I have three computers with JAWS
installed, and I'd go crazy carrying that PacMate around to connect to 
each
computer that needs the authorization. So as a matter of convenience the 
SMA
is the absolutely most portable solution. Secondarily is the dongle, with
its small size and ability to carry on a key-chain. but again digging in 
my
pocket when I get to work to insert the dongle for authorization is still 
a
bit cumbersome.

I guess I'm willing to pay for my laziness.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 20:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58 dongle
and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the relatively modest
amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle at this point (because 
of
the small size if nothing else). Where it actually crossed the line though
was where some of us (sounds like this includes you) ended up with the $3K
unit in the first place which included the license for the $1000 program,
but nobody mentioned it so we spent $900 or so on the same license and 
then
began adding on SMA's by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the Pacmate
solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when you boot or
something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant 
revenue
stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I don't have
benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From what I grasp, 
it
seems to me they might come out better reducing some charges and allowing
volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close 
association
with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact of the matter is
the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky. (Well, even compared to
the mPower from back then). It might not matter so much to some people, 
but
that Apex it basically attached to my daughter much of the day. The size 
and
weight difference is a big deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep
wondering if they are going to come out with something more Apex-like 
(they
meaning FS). After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it
is time for a facelift.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert
the
use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They
guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?

On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never
paid
much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate" under
the
Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here I
just
purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying
non-authorization
issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least to
two
people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there 
are
reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I
support
it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a
single
user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for the
same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show that 
a
PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license to
run
a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the 
computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense,
you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has 
JAWS
installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had 
no
way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when I
bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes 
apparently
includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are
supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to 
test
as
I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was
hoping
to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to
upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed JAWS
is
included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite
legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and  options with this
feature.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to
stay
current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments that
FS
makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because she'd
keep
being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to
reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to
broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from a
demo
copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate
(if
you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past 
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because my
daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same 
as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay 
for
now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on a
desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just
plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a
paid
copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to look
to
the future.

On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I had
to have.  I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that there
is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5 andJAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying
to do much online.  I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the
nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I
got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice

Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through 15
would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for $100less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the dollar
in all this, but still...

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Re: jaws 13 start up after logging in

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>

#4600

five-to-10 minutes.

Show quoted text

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On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: jaws 13 start up after logging in

Kimsan,

How long is "long"?

Dave Carlson
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To: "jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:30
Subject: jaws 13 start up after logging in


Hi,

I installed jfw 13 yesturday and I am noticing after I log in, jaws either
doesn't start or it takes a while before it starts.

The necessary boxes are checked to start automatically for all users and
etc.

I have jfw 12 and 13 on here but have 13 set to start up at the log on
window and after I log into windows but again, it is either lagging after
windo logs in or it isn't starting. Any ideas?

Thank you.



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Re: SMA Notice

Soronel Haetir

#4599

And even better if you can get an employer to pay for your laziness.

Show quoted text

On 11/3/11, Farfar on Laptop <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Richard,

While using the PacMate (and I haven't test-driven it yet) is available,
it's certainly not convenient for me. I have three computers with JAWS
installed, and I'd go crazy carrying that PacMate around to connect to each
computer that needs the authorization. So as a matter of convenience the SMA
is the absolutely most portable solution. Secondarily is the dongle, with
its small size and ability to carry on a key-chain. but again digging in my
pocket when I get to work to insert the dongle for authorization is still a
bit cumbersome.

I guess I'm willing to pay for my laziness.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 20:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58 dongle
and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the relatively modest
amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle at this point (because of
the small size if nothing else). Where it actually crossed the line though
was where some of us (sounds like this includes you) ended up with the $3K
unit in the first place which included the license for the $1000 program,
but nobody mentioned it so we spent $900 or so on the same license and then
began adding on SMA's by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the Pacmate
solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when you boot or
something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant revenue
stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I don't have
benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From what I grasp, it
seems to me they might come out better reducing some charges and allowing
volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close association
with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact of the matter is
the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky. (Well, even compared to
the mPower from back then). It might not matter so much to some people, but
that Apex it basically attached to my daughter much of the day. The size and
weight difference is a big deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep
wondering if they are going to come out with something more Apex-like (they
meaning FS). After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it
is time for a facelift.

Richard


On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert
the
use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They
guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never
paid
much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate" under
the
Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here I
just
purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying
non-authorization
issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least to
two
people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there are
reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I
support
it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a
single
user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for the
same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show that a
PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license to
run
a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense,
you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has JAWS
installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had no
way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when I
bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes apparently
includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are
supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to test
as
I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was
hoping
to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to
upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed JAWS
is
included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite
legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and  options with this
feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to
stay
current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments that
FS
makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because she'd
keep
being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to
reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to
broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from a
demo
copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate
(if
you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because my
daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay for
now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on a
desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just
plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a
paid
copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to look
to
the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I had
to have.  I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that there
is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5 andJAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying
to do much online.  I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the
nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I
got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through 15
would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for $100less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the dollar
in all this, but still...


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Re: Looking for accessible firewall

Soronel Haetir

#4598

The built-in windows firewall (added in XP service pack 2 if I recall
correctly, if you are running XP and haven't upgraded to SP3 you
really should) works fine for me.  Is there some feature you want that
it doesn't do?

And depending on your setup you likely want to rely on a hardware
firewall built into your router anyway rather than software running on
your PC.

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On 11/3/11, Juanita <juanitafischer@msn.com> wrote:
Helllo Listers:



Can anyone recommend an accessible firewall program that lets a jaws user
set program settings independently. I'm using Zone Alarm and it's very
inaccessible. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I'm willing to
pay for a program if it really works.

Juanita



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Re: SMA Notice

Dave...

#4597

Richard,

While using the PacMate (and I haven't test-driven it yet) is available, 
it's certainly not convenient for me. I have three computers with JAWS 
installed, and I'd go crazy carrying that PacMate around to connect to each 
computer that needs the authorization. So as a matter of convenience the SMA 
is the absolutely most portable solution. Secondarily is the dongle, with 
its small size and ability to carry on a key-chain. but again digging in my 
pocket when I get to work to insert the dongle for authorization is still a 
bit cumbersome.

I guess I'm willing to pay for my laziness.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 20:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58 dongle 
and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the relatively modest 
amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle at this point (because of 
the small size if nothing else). Where it actually crossed the line though 
was where some of us (sounds like this includes you) ended up with the $3K 
unit in the first place which included the license for the $1000 program, 
but nobody mentioned it so we spent $900 or so on the same license and then 
began adding on SMA's by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the Pacmate 
solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when you boot or 
something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant revenue 
stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I don't have 
benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From what I grasp, it 
seems to me they might come out better reducing some charges and allowing 
volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close association 
with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact of the matter is 
the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky. (Well, even compared to 
the mPower from back then). It might not matter so much to some people, but 
that Apex it basically attached to my daughter much of the day. The size and 
weight difference is a big deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep 
wondering if they are going to come out with something more Apex-like (they 
meaning FS). After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it 
is time for a facelift.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert 
the
use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They
guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize" 
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?

On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never 
paid
much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate" under
the
Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here I
just
purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying 
non-authorization
issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least to
two
people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there are
reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I 
support
it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a
single
user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for the
same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am. 
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show that a
PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license to
run
a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes 
sense,
you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has JAWS
installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had no
way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when I
bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes apparently
includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are
supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to test
as
I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was 
hoping
to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to
upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed JAWS
is
included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite
legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and  options with this
feature.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to
stay
current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments that 
FS
makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because she'd
keep
being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to
reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to
broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from a
demo
copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate 
(if
you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because my
daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay for
now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on a
desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just
plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a 
paid
copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to look 
to
the future.

On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I had
to have.  I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that there
is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5 andJAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying
to do much online.  I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the
nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I
got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice

Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through 15
would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for $100less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the dollar
in all this, but still...

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