I don't think it's a pdf. I get this when visiting90 percent of the sites I
go to.
Well, not 90 percent, just a lot of them.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 7:45 PM
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Subject: RE: open parent document button

I think you're hitting that when you open a PDF in IE.

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Subject: open parent document button

This was talked about a while back so can someone refresh my memory? I think
it was on this list? I launch my browser and navigate to a page and I get
open paren document button what is this and how to make it stop?

Thanks.

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Hi,

How would I install JAWS 13 while still having version 12 on my computer? I
don't understand how you select which one would start up when Windows
starts. Where does JAWS start up from?



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Whoops! He signed his name. Duh. But again, thanks for posting.

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Interesting, and to FS's credit, that a number of these revisions address
concerns raised on the list. Thanks for posting. This has the air of Eric
Damery. Is the message from him?

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Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 2:25 PM
To: jfw
Subject: jfw update

Got this from another list and decided to be thoughtful and post it here.

All,

We are in the final stages of testing the first JAWS 13 update and plan to
release next Monday. We have decided to offer early access to this update
for those that want it prior to the Auto Update next week. If you are
interested, the instructions are below along with the list of changes since
the DVD build 303 was posted.

Regards,

Eric Damery

JAWS 13 Sneak Preview

The next JAWS 13 hotfix is scheduled for November 14, 2011. If you would
like an early preview of the upcoming release, use the access code

370702 to download and install the update as described below. Note that
before attempting the update, you must have Internet access and JAWS
running.

Do the following to enter the access code.

1. Press INSERT+J to move focus to the JAWS window.

2. From the Help menu, choose About JAWS.

3. Choose the Special Update Code button, and then type 370702 in

the Special Update Code edit box.

4. Choose OK to close the current dialog box, and then OK again to

close the About JAWS dialog box.

5. Once this is done, just restart JAWS and the Auto Update will

prompt you to receive the new build, JAWS 13.0.527.

Enhancements and Improvements in JAWS 13

This page describes all improvements made from the first public beta release
to the current JAWS 13 release. To download the latest release, visit the
JAWS Downloads Web page
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-downloads.a .

Enhancements in JAWS 13.0.527 (November 2011)

* Resolved an issue encountered on some systems when updating

authorization to JAWS 13. After updating authorization, you may need to
restart JAWS in order for it to take affect.

* Resolved a long-standing issue where it was sometimes necessary

to reboot the computer in order to use JAWS if the application unexpectedly
closed.

* Resolved an issue where the braille cursor was not positioned as

expected in edit fields when using Structured Mode.

* The Primary and Secondary language for Convenient OCR can now be

changed through Quick Settings (INSERT+V).

* Documentation is now available describing the latest

improvements in the JAWS scripting language. For more information, visit the
Enhancements in Scripting
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/documentation/scripts/scripting-info.a

Web page.

* If more than one command prompt window is open, addressed an

issue where JAWS would continue reading text from one command prompt window
even after changing focus to the other.

* Resolved an issue with Contracted English Braille translation

where the number sign was not appearing directly before the number if the
number was proceeded by a quote and a comma.

* If the Results Viewer and Virtual Viewer are open at the same

time, resolved an issue where pressing ESC would close both viewers.

* Addressed an issue where JAWS was not playing a sound to

identify checked items in some dialog boxes even if the current speech and
sounds scheme was configured to do so.

* Resolved an issue turning off the "read only" announcement in a

speech and sounds scheme.

* If you are using a braille display, JAWS no longer goes into

Line Mode when renaming a file or folder.

* In applications where JAWS can announce indented text, resolved

an issue where JAWS was not speaking indentation information when using the
Say Line command (INSERT+UP ARROW).

* Pressing ALT+UP ARROW in the help text in Settings Center and

Quick Settings now reads the prior sentence.

* Resolved an issue with PAC Mate Desktop not starting correctly.

* The Study Mode option is now only available if you are using a

braille display that has a double row of cursor router and navrow buttons,
such as the PAC Mate Portable Braille Display, or the Focus 40, Focus 80,
and Focus 40 Blue braille displays. Study Mode is located under Braille
Options in Quick Settings.

* The Current Word Expand option is now only available in Quick

Settings when contracted braille translation is set to Output only.

* In the Startup Wizard, the Enable Flash Messages check box and

Contracted Braille Translation combo box now have INSERT+F1 help.

* Addressed issues that could occur when installing JAWS 13 while

JAWS 12 and MAGic 11 are currently running.

* Resolved an issue where nothing is heard when navigating to a

visited link and the current speech and sounds scheme is configured to play
a sound.

JAWS Research It

* Resolved an issue where the Results Viewer was blank if Research

It did not find any results for a search. A message is now displayed if no
results are found.

* The NCAA lookup source now returns all division 1-A scores and

schedules. Previously, only the top 25 was displayed. In addition, if you
search for a particular team, both division 1-A and 1-AA are searched.

* Addressed issues with the Weather lookup source when checking

the weather for international locations.

Adobe Acrobat

* Resolved an issue with JAWS not announcing edit combo boxes in

certain PDF documents while navigating with the ARROW keys.

Eclipse

* Addressed an issue where Eclipse would unexpectedly close when

opening and closing the menu.

Microsoft Excel

* When you press an access key in the spell checker to move to the

next error, JAWS no longer speaks the access key you just pressed while
reading the current error.

* Addressed a reported issue in Excel 2003 and Windows XP where

the Undo option was not working as expected.

* Addressed an issue in Excel 2010 where JAWS would speak the

tutor message each time an option in the Fill tab of the Format Cells dialog
box was changed. This would occur even if Tutor Message was set to only
announce custom messages.

* Resolved an issue in Excel 2003 where the content of text boxes

was not being displayed in the Virtual Viewer. There were only blank lines
where the text in the box should have appeared.

* Improved how JAWS reads cell information when pressing ESC after

adding a comment.

* Resolved an issue where the current cell was not read after

pressing ESC to close the custom summary.

* When navigating the color controls in the Fill page of the

Format Cells dialog box, resolved an issue where JAWS was not properly
reading the selected color.

* Resolved an issue setting column and row titles in Quick

Settings.

Microsoft Internet Explorer

* Addressed an issue where JAWS would not indicate combo boxes on

certain Web pages when navigating with the Virtual Cursor.

* When selecting a same page link to move to a different location

on the current page, pressing ALT+LEFT ARROW to go back now returns you to
the link.

* Resolved an issue with using TAB to navigate buttons contained

inside Flash content.

* When you press ENTER on a link in the custom page summary, JAWS

now moves you to the correct location on the Web page.

* Resolved an issue where JAWS would get stuck on words containing

a left quote when navigating by word.

Microsoft Office

* Resolved issues navigating in Microsoft Office applications with

Tutor Messages set to Custom.

Microsoft Outlook

* JAWS is now much more responsive when navigating in the Inbox in

Outlook 2010.

* Navigation in the File menu in Outlook 2010 has been improved.

* Resolved a customer reported issue in Outlook 2003 where

pressing NUMPAD 5 twice quickly to speak the current character phonetically
was not working in the subject field of an appointment.

* When pressing ALT+GRAVE to move to the message body and the

first line of the message contains a link, JAWS no longer activates the
link.

* Addressed an issue in Outlook 2007 and 2010 using TAB to

navigate to links in a read-only message.

* Resolved an issue of hearing a system ding while navigating

through messages in the Inbox. This occured if you had several consecutive
messages from the same address.

* Resolved an issue of hearing indentation information while

navigating through links in a read-only message in Outlook 2007 and 2010.

* If the edit combo box in the Find and Replace combo box contains

text from a previous search, addressed an issue where the contents of this
field were not being announced by JAWS when the dialog box opens.

* When navigating by paragraph in an Outlook 2007 or 2010 message,

JAWS no longer speaks the paragraph twice.

* Addressed a reported issue in the Outlook 2010 calendar where

the backstage view options were not being announced while navigating.

* When deleting consecutive messages from the same sender, or that

have the same subject, resolved an intermittent issue where JAWS would
sometimes not automatically read the next message in the list.

* Resolved an issue in the non-English version of Outlook where

JAWS would unexpectedly close while navigating the calendar after setting an
appointment after 23:00.

Microsoft Word

* Updated the INSERT+F1 help message for the Quick Access tool bar

in Word 2007 and 2010.

* Resolved an issue where JAWS was not correctly reporting the

indentation level of the last line in a Word document.

* Resolved an issue where after clearing the Word check box in the

Manage Application Settings dialog box, JAWS would continue using any
setting changes made in Quick Settings instead of reverting to default
settings.

* Resolved an issue where margin information was being reported

differently depending on whether or not the cursor was in a table.

* The Include Demensions option in Quick Settings has been renamed

to Include Graphical Demensions to make it easier to find when doing a
search. This option only appears when Quick Settings is opened from Word or
Outlook.

* Addressed an issue where page changes were not announced during

a Say All until you pressed ALT+TAB to move away and back to the document.
This only occured in Word 2007.

* JAWS no longer incorrectly announces indentation information

when encountering outdented text, such as in an outline.

* Resolved a customer reported issue with the New Lines and

Paragraphs Indication option in Quick Settings not changing based on whether
paragraph marks are shown or not. When you enable or disable the displaying
of paragraph marks in the Word Options dialog box, JAWS automatically sets
the New Lines and Paragraphs Indication setting accordingly.

* Addressed an issue where style changes were being announced

after enabling spelling detection from Quick Settings.

* Resolved an issue where Grammatical Error Detection was enabled

when turning off Spelling Error Detection in Quick Settings.

* Removed references to the Task Pane from the INSERT+F1 help

messages for the Quick Access and Status Bar toolbar controls.

* Resolved an issue with Quick Settings where changing Style

Changes to Always Announce was not turning off the Headings Announce option.

* Resolved an issue with the Spanish version of JAWS where JAWS

messages containing accented characters were not read correctly in Word.

* If you have customized the dot pattern for the braille cursor,

addressed an issue where using Track Changes was changing it back to the
default setting.

* Pressing ALT+DELETE while in a table now provides more accurate

cursor position information.

* Resolved an issue in Word 2007 with JAWS not properly navigating

tables until you used ALT+TAB to move away and back to the document.

This occured when opening a document containing tables from Windows
Explorer.

* Resolved an issue where table navigation commands would no

longer work after typing text into a table cell.

Mozilla Firefox

* The page title is now shown on the braille display when pressing

INSERT+T even when you are positioned on a heading. Note that the

currently selected heading is included with the title information. This was
also addressed in Internet Explorer.

* Toggling the Document Automatically Reads check box in Quick

Settings now works as expected. When this option is cleared, JAWS will not
automatically read the Web page after it loads.

Visual Studio

* Addressed an issue where you had to press ALT+TAB to move away

from the application and back to get focus into the output window after
starting a compile.

Windows 7

* Addressed an issue encountered after using ALT+TAB to move to

the Desktop where JAWS would not announce the count of the selected item,
for example, five of eight. Pressing INSERT+T would also not speak the
window title. This did not occur if WINDOWS Key+M was used to go to the
Desktop.

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Hello there;
Yes indeed, the thumb drive solution for jaws is a good one.
Providing you have a licenced copy running on home computer, it is merely
downloading and extracting files to a thumb drive,
Then Daughter can cary the thumb drive with her, and use it on any
machine.

Hope this helps.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Richard,

Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home
usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site,
downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13.
daughter's
Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that?

So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and
use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the
product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.

I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's
house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically
sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen
reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.

Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed
and see what happens.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when
in remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only
means that if you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are
having the two products communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS
can be used as authorization in that case?

Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?

I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of
authorization.

Dave Carlson
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58
dongle and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the
relatively modest amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle
at this point (because of the small size if nothing else). Where it
actually crossed the line though was where some of us (sounds like
this includes you) ended up with the $3K unit in the first place which
included the license for the $1000 program, but nobody mentioned it so
we spent $900 or so on the same license and then began adding on SMA's
by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the
Pacmate solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when
you boot or something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant
revenue stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I
don't have benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From
what I grasp, it seems to me they might come out better reducing some
charges and allowing volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close
association with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact
of the matter is the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky.
(Well, even compared to the mPower from back then). It might not
matter so much to some people, but that Apex it basically attached to
my daughter much of the day. The size and weight difference is a big
deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep wondering if they are
going to come out with something more Apex-like (they meaning FS).
After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it is time
for a facelift.

Richard


On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents
over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to
pervert the use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along
those lines. They guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
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Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and
never paid much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from
PacMate" under the Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very
interesting, indeed. And here I just purchased and received my
dongle to avoid those annoying non-authorization issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
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Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At
least to two people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of
this. I get there are reasons to stay current. And I have no problem
with being legal. I support it fully, but I don't support paying for
more than one license for a single user of the product. My question
is if I am paying over and over for the same authorizations and
capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a
license to run a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is
hooked to the computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense, you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and
each has JAWS installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I
had no way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too
much when I bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each
includes apparently includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is
as to what versions are supported by the PAC Mate connection and how
this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test as I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of
v.11. I was hoping to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this
feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and
to upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy
confirmed JAWS is included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I
think this is quite legit., I just want to figure out any
limitations and options with this feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons
to stay current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes
adjustments that FS makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd keep being interrupted in the middle of her thought process
by the need to reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want
to broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run
from a demo copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking
up a PAC Mate (if you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade
show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use
because my daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the
same as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing
okay for now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that
gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is
on a desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this
is just plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had
a paid copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just
trying to look to the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally
that there is a huge difference in performance on the Internet
between JAWS 5 and

JAWS 12.

People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief
trying to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I
need the nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again,
I got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15 would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100

less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar in all this, but still...


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David,

appreciate your willingness to work on this question.

Not trying to belabor the point, the only questions remaining from your
statement:

"I did try, the steps, however, I wasn't inclined to burn a ILM so, I did
put my dongle in, and the thumb drive portable was activated."

So that confirms that without any authorization, the Thumb drive version of
JAWS on a non-JAWS machine will indeed operate in 40-minute mode?

Then from what you've not yet tried, I'm still not sure if using an ILM key
will activate the thumb drive version of JAWS, nor whether it becomes
permanent on that thumb drive.

I still suspect that the ILM key will get burned, of course but will it
create the necessary folders/files on the thumb drive? I am down to one key
myself and like you, not willing to burn it in doing the experiment.

It's too bad no one person at FS can answer this question definitively.

Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 05:07
Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


Hello Dave;

Well I could be wrong in my assumption,
However, my understanding is;
Once you've downloaded and extracted
J13.0.303_Portable-32bit.exe
Or;
J13.0.303_Portable-64bit.exe
You take this thumb drive to another computer, which doesn't have jaws
installed.
You then will need to also install the video intercept,

Next when the portable version starts,
You will be promted to activate.
Once this is done,
I think the thumb drive is useable on any computer.
Also, if one has a dongle, you would need to also have plugged into the
machine with the portable thumb drive version.

I did try, the steps, however, I wasn't inclined to burn a ILM so, I did put
my dongle in, and the thumb drive portable was activated.



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:24 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

David,

So if I plug my thumb drive into a non-JAWS computer and launch JAWS, does
it come up in 40-minute mode until I go to FSActivate? If yes, do I burn a
key each time?

Or conversely is the authorization already built on to the thumb drive so
that as long as it's plugged in, that computer runs an authorized version?

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 13:06
Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


Hi,
If your using a thumb drive
As long as you have lisence, your good to go,
You can either run in demo, or you can be authorized.
Check out,

http://freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-MAGic-usb-drive.asp#downloa
d
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Well,,

The intent of the thumb drive version is I think meant as a temporary usage
of JAWS on another machine, so I would expect that it be operating either in
40-minute mode, or operating unimpeded until the thumb drive is removed.
Anyone know which of these are true?

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brent Harding" <brent@hostany.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:41
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


Yes, but that machine still needs an authorization or dongle. What would be
nice is if FS made a dongle that had a copy of Jaws already on it for those
situations.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Hello there;
Yes indeed, the thumb drive solution for jaws is a good one.
Providing you have a licenced copy running on home computer, it is merely
downloading and extracting files to a thumb drive,
Then Daughter can cary the thumb drive with her, and use it on any
machine.

Hope this helps.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Richard,

Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home
usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site,
downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13.
daughter's
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that?

So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and
use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the
product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.

I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's
house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically
sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen
reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.

Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed
and see what happens.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when
in remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only
means that if you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are
having the two products communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS
can be used as authorization in that case?

Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?

I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of
authorization.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58
dongle and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the
relatively modest amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle
at this point (because of the small size if nothing else). Where it
actually crossed the line though was where some of us (sounds like
this includes you) ended up with the $3K unit in the first place which
included the license for the $1000 program, but nobody mentioned it so
we spent $900 or so on the same license and then began adding on SMA's
by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the
Pacmate solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when
you boot or something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant
revenue stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I
don't have benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From
what I grasp, it seems to me they might come out better reducing some
charges and allowing volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close
association with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact
of the matter is the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky.
(Well, even compared to the mPower from back then). It might not
matter so much to some people, but that Apex it basically attached to
my daughter much of the day. The size and weight difference is a big
deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep wondering if they are
going to come out with something more Apex-like (they meaning FS).
After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it is time
for a facelift.

Richard


On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents
over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to
pervert the use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along
those lines. They guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and
never paid much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from
PacMate" under the Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very
interesting, indeed. And here I just purchased and received my
dongle to avoid those annoying non-authorization issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At
least to two people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of
this. I get there are reasons to stay current. And I have no problem
with being legal. I support it fully, but I don't support paying for
more than one license for a single user of the product. My question
is if I am paying over and over for the same authorizations and
capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a
license to run a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is
hooked to the computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense, you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and
each has JAWS installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I
had no way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too
much when I bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each
includes apparently includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is
as to what versions are supported by the PAC Mate connection and how
this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test as I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of
v.11. I was hoping to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this
feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and
to upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy
confirmed JAWS is included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I
think this is quite legit., I just want to figure out any
limitations and options with this feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons
to stay current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes
adjustments that FS makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd keep being interrupted in the middle of her thought process
by the need to reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want
to broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run
from a demo copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking
up a PAC Mate (if you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade
show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use
because my daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the
same as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing
okay for now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that
gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is
on a desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this
is just plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had
a paid copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just
trying to look to the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally
that there is a huge difference in performance on the Internet
between JAWS 5 and

JAWS 12.

People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief
trying to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I
need the nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again,
I got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15 would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100

less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar in all this, but still...


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Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never

much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate"

the
Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here

just
purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying

issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least

two
people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there

reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I

it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a
single
user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for

same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.

several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show

PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license

run
a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the

Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes

you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has

installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had

way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when

bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes

includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are
supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to

as
I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was

to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to
upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed

is
included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite
legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and options with

feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to

stay
current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments

makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because

keep
being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to
reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to
broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from

demo
copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate

you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past

Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because

daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same

$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay

now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from

v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on

desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just
plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a

copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to

the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I

to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that

is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5

JAWS 12.

People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying
to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the
nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I
got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through

would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for

less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the

in all this, but still...


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Hello there;
Yes indeed, the thumb drive solution for jaws is a good one.
Providing you have a licenced copy running on home computer, it is merely
downloading and extracting files to a thumb drive,
Then Daughter can cary the thumb drive with her, and use it on any
machine.

Hope this helps.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Richard,

Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home
usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site,
downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13.
daughter's
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that?

So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and
use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the
product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.

I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's
house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically
sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen
reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.

Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed
and see what happens.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when
in remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only
means that if you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are
having the two products communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS
can be used as authorization in that case?

Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?

I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of
authorization.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58
dongle and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the
relatively modest amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle
at this point (because of the small size if nothing else). Where it
actually crossed the line though was where some of us (sounds like
this includes you) ended up with the $3K unit in the first place which
included the license for the $1000 program, but nobody mentioned it so
we spent $900 or so on the same license and then began adding on SMA's
by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the
Pacmate solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when
you boot or something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant
revenue stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I
don't have benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From
what I grasp, it seems to me they might come out better reducing some
charges and allowing volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close
association with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact
of the matter is the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky.
(Well, even compared to the mPower from back then). It might not
matter so much to some people, but that Apex it basically attached to
my daughter much of the day. The size and weight difference is a big
deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep wondering if they are
going to come out with something more Apex-like (they meaning FS).
After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it is time
for a facelift.

Richard


On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents
over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to
pervert the use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along
those lines. They guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and
never paid much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from
PacMate" under the Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very
interesting, indeed. And here I just purchased and received my
dongle to avoid those annoying non-authorization issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
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Area
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At
least to two people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of
this. I get there are reasons to stay current. And I have no problem
with being legal. I support it fully, but I don't support paying for
more than one license for a single user of the product. My question
is if I am paying over and over for the same authorizations and
capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a
license to run a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is
hooked to the computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense, you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and
each has JAWS installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I
had no way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too
much when I bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each
includes apparently includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is
as to what versions are supported by the PAC Mate connection and how
this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test as I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of
v.11. I was hoping to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this
feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and
to upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy
confirmed JAWS is included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I
think this is quite legit., I just want to figure out any
limitations and options with this feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons
to stay current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes
adjustments that FS makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd keep being interrupted in the middle of her thought process
by the need to reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want
to broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run
from a demo copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking
up a PAC Mate (if you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade
show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use
because my daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the
same as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing
okay for now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that
gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is
on a desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this
is just plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had
a paid copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just
trying to look to the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally
that there is a huge difference in performance on the Internet
between JAWS 5 and

JAWS 12.

People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief
trying to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I
need the nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again,
I got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15 would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100

less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar in all this, but still...


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Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never

much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate"

the
Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here

just
purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying

issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least

two
people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there

reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I

it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a
single
user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for

same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.

several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show

PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license

run
a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the

Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes

you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has

installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had

way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when

bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes

includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are
supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to

as
I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was

to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to
upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed

is
included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite
legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and options with

feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to

stay
current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments

makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because

keep
being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to
reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to
broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from

demo
copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate

you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past

Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because

daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same

$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay

now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from

v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on

desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just
plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a

copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to

the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I

to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that

is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5

JAWS 12.

People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying
to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the
nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I
got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through

would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for

less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the

in all this, but still...


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Hello there;
Yes indeed, the thumb drive solution for jaws is a good one.
Providing you have a licenced copy running on home computer, it is merely
downloading and extracting files to a thumb drive,
Then Daughter can cary the thumb drive with her, and use it on any
machine.

Hope this helps.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Richard,

Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home
usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site,
downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13.
daughter's
Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that?

So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and
use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the
product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.

I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's
house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically
sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen
reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.

Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed
and see what happens.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when
in remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only
means that if you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are
having the two products communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS
can be used as authorization in that case?

Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?

I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of
authorization.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58
dongle and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the
relatively modest amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle
at this point (because of the small size if nothing else). Where it
actually crossed the line though was where some of us (sounds like
this includes you) ended up with the $3K unit in the first place which
included the license for the $1000 program, but nobody mentioned it so
we spent $900 or so on the same license and then began adding on SMA's
by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the
Pacmate solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when
you boot or something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant
revenue stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I
don't have benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From
what I grasp, it seems to me they might come out better reducing some
charges and allowing volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close
association with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact
of the matter is the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky.
(Well, even compared to the mPower from back then). It might not
matter so much to some people, but that Apex it basically attached to
my daughter much of the day. The size and weight difference is a big
deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep wondering if they are
going to come out with something more Apex-like (they meaning FS).
After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it is time
for a facelift.

Richard


On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents
over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to
pervert the use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along
those lines. They guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
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Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and
never paid much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from
PacMate" under the Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very
interesting, indeed. And here I just purchased and received my
dongle to avoid those annoying non-authorization issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At
least to two people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of
this. I get there are reasons to stay current. And I have no problem
with being legal. I support it fully, but I don't support paying for
more than one license for a single user of the product. My question
is if I am paying over and over for the same authorizations and
capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a
license to run a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is
hooked to the computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense, you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and
each has JAWS installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I
had no way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too
much when I bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each
includes apparently includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is
as to what versions are supported by the PAC Mate connection and how
this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test as I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of
v.11. I was hoping to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this
feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and
to upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy
confirmed JAWS is included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I
think this is quite legit., I just want to figure out any
limitations and options with this feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons
to stay current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes
adjustments that FS makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd keep being interrupted in the middle of her thought process
by the need to reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want
to broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run
from a demo copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking
up a PAC Mate (if you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade
show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use
because my daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the
same as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing
okay for now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that
gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is
on a desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this
is just plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had
a paid copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just
trying to look to the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally
that there is a huge difference in performance on the Internet
between JAWS 5 and

JAWS 12.

People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief
trying to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I
need the nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again,
I got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15 would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100

less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar in all this, but still...


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