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Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>

#4698

Hello there;
Yes indeed, the thumb drive solution for jaws is a good one.
Providing you have a licenced copy running on home computer, it is merely
downloading and extracting files to a thumb drive,
Then Daughter can cary the thumb drive with her, and use it on any machine.

Hope this helps.

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On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Richard,

Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home
usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site,
downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13.
daughter's
Dave Carlson
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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that?

So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and
use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the
product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.

I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's
house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically
sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen
reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.

Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed
and see what happens.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when 
in remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only 
means that if you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are 
having the two products communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS 
can be used as authorization in that case?

Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?

I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of 
authorization.

Dave Carlson
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Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58 
dongle and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the 
relatively modest amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle 
at this point (because of the small size if nothing else). Where it 
actually crossed the line though was where some of us (sounds like 
this includes you) ended up with the $3K unit in the first place which 
included the license for the $1000 program, but nobody mentioned it so 
we spent $900 or so on the same license and then began adding on SMA's 
by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the 
Pacmate solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when 
you boot or something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant 
revenue stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I 
don't have benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From 
what I grasp, it seems to me they might come out better reducing some 
charges and allowing volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close 
association with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact 
of the matter is the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky. 
(Well, even compared to the mPower from back then). It might not 
matter so much to some people, but that Apex it basically attached to 
my daughter much of the day. The size and weight difference is a big 
deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep wondering if they are 
going to come out with something more Apex-like (they meaning FS). 
After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it is time 
for a facelift.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents 
over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form 
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to 
pervert the use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along 
those lines. They guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
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Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific 
somehow?

On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and 
never paid much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from 
PacMate" under the Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very 
interesting, indeed. And here I just purchased and received my 
dongle to avoid those annoying non-authorization issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
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Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At 
least to two people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of 
this. I get there are reasons to stay current. And I have no problem 
with being legal. I support it fully, but I don't support paying for 
more than one license for a single user of the product. My question 
is if I am paying over and over for the same authorizations and 
capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show 
that a PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a 
license to run a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is 
hooked to the computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes 
sense, you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and 
each has JAWS installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I 
had no way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too 
much when I bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each 
includes apparently includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is 
as to what versions are supported by the PAC Mate connection and how 
this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to 
test as I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of 
v.11. I was hoping to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this 
feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and 
to upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy 
confirmed JAWS is included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I 
think this is quite legit., I just want to figure out any 
limitations and  options with this feature.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons 
to stay current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes 
adjustments that FS makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because 
she'd keep being interrupted in the middle of her thought process 
by the need to reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want 
to broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

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On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run 
from a demo copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking 
up a PAC Mate (if you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade 
show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use 
because my daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the 
same as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing 
okay for now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that 
gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from 
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is 
on a desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this 
is just plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had 
a paid copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just 
trying to look to the future.

On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the 
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I 
had to have.  I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally 
that there is a huge difference in performance on the Internet 
between JAWS 5 andJAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to 
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief 
trying to do much online.  I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I 
need the nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, 
I got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice

Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you 
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through 
15 would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for 
$100less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the 
dollar in all this, but still...

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Re: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?

Robbie Curtis <essence64@...>

#4697

Thanks for that information Jerald.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
Sent: Nov 8, 2011 2:51 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?

Solona is no longer functioning.  The only way to solve image captchas is 
with the Webvisum add-on for Firefox.  The creator of Solona became ill over 
a year ago and was unable to continue running it on a consistent basis.

Gerald

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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:05 PM
Subject: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?

Hello Everyone,

Recently I have noticed that my Solona is not working.  I've even tried to 
go to the web page without success.  Is anyone else having trouble?  I am 
using JAWS 10 AND 12.  Thanks for any information.

Robbie J. Curtis
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Re: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?

Gerald Levy

#4696

Solona is no longer functioning.  The only way to solve image captchas is with the Webvisum add-on for Firefox.  The creator of Solona became ill over a year ago and was unable to continue running it on a consistent basis.

Gerald

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Subject: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?


Hello Everyone,

Recently I have noticed that my Solona is not working.  I've even tried to go to the web page without success.  Is anyone else having trouble?  I am using JAWS 10 AND 12.  Thanks for any information.

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Re: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?

Robbie Curtis <essence64@...>

#4695

Hi Dave,

Thanks for that information.  Hadn't heard that the service was being discontinued.  If I may ask, what are you using for captias?  Thanks.

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Sent: Nov 8, 2011 2:27 PM
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Subject: Re: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?

I think the service is gone.
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Subject: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?


Hello Everyone,

Recently I have noticed that my Solona is not working.  I've even tried to 
go to the web page without success.  Is anyone else having trouble?  I am 
using JAWS 10 AND 12.  Thanks for any information.

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Re: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?

Dave...

#4694

I think the service is gone.
Dave Carlson
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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:05
Subject: Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?


Hello Everyone,

Recently I have noticed that my Solona is not working.  I've even tried to 
go to the web page without success.  Is anyone else having trouble?  I am 
using JAWS 10 AND 12.  Thanks for any information.

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Is Anyone Having Trouble with Solona?

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#4693

Hello Everyone,

Recently I have noticed that my Solona is not working.  I've even tried to go to the web page without success.  Is anyone else having trouble?  I am using JAWS 10 AND 12.  Thanks for any information.
 
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Re: Word Press

Shane Davidson <shane@...>

#4692

Wordpress is completely accessible.
I walk you through basic installation, we make our first post, and hey, I'm
using jaws!
So how about you go over here
http://acbradio.org/archives/RadioReading/mainmenu/mm20110923.mp3
And get the show and then wait until the next segment comes out for me.
Genious, aint it?
It's accessible, you just need to have a clue on what your doing.

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On Behalf Of Cliff Self
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 6:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Word Press

When I said the program was extremely graphical, I ment the control panel,
which they call the dashboard.  As near as I can tell it's totally
inaccessible to Jaws because it's all graphics and no text.  I'm afraid all
I can do at this point is wish you luck.

Cliff

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Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 2:53 PM
Subject: RE: Word Press

The first page I tried to upload had no graphics, but it is supposed to
automatically deal with graphics.
It will take some time to get it down.  I was hoping for some help from
JAWS, but so far that is not the case.
John

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Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 8:29 PM
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Subject: Re: Word Press

I asked the same question and got no answer, so I suspect the answer is 
no.
When searching for scripts I found some tutorials on managing WordPress
widgits with Jaws.  You can probably find them by searching for those 
terms.

However, the program is extremely graphical.  I've had to ask my sighted
wife to manage my website for me.

Cliff

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Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 6:03 PM
Subject: Word Press

Hi JAWS Users
Is their a script written for Word Press?
I am using JAWS 12 with W7.
John Sherrer

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Re: scripts for Skype

Smart Eze

#4691

Why not try "skypeTalking"?  This is what I use.  And it is perfectly OK for
me.  Google it out!
Regards,  smart

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On Behalf Of Martin Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:04 PM
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Subject: scripts for Skype

Hello: does anyone know where I can get scripts for Skype for Jaws 13 that
when installed announce when a person comes on line. I have this for Jaws 12
but I don't remember how I got them. I installed the scripts from Dug Lee's
page but they don't say when someone comes on line.
Thanks for any help.
Martin Nelson 

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scripts for Skype

Martin Nelson <martinelson1@...>

#4690

Hello: does anyone know where I can get scripts for Skype for Jaws 13 that when installed announce when a person comes on line. I have this for Jaws 12 but I don't remember how I got them. I installed the scripts from Dug Lee's page but they don't say when someone comes on line.
Thanks for any help.
Martin Nelson

Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Dave...

#4689

Richard,

Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home 
usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site, 
downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13.
daughter's
Dave Carlson
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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that?

So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and 
use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the 
product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.

I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's 
house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically 
sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen 
reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.

Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed 
and see what happens.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when in
remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only means that 
if
you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are having the two 
products
communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS can be used as authorization
in that case?

Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?

I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of
authorization.

Dave Carlson
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From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
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Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58 dongle
and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the relatively modest
amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle at this point (because 
of
the small size if nothing else). Where it actually crossed the line though
was where some of us (sounds like this includes you) ended up with the $3K
unit in the first place which included the license for the $1000 program,
but nobody mentioned it so we spent $900 or so on the same license and 
then
began adding on SMA's by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the Pacmate
solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when you boot or
something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant 
revenue
stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I don't have
benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From what I grasp, 
it
seems to me they might come out better reducing some charges and allowing
volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close 
association
with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact of the matter is
the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky. (Well, even compared to
the mPower from back then). It might not matter so much to some people, 
but
that Apex it basically attached to my daughter much of the day. The size 
and
weight difference is a big deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep
wondering if they are going to come out with something more Apex-like 
(they
meaning FS). After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it
is time for a facelift.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert
the
use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They
guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
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From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?

On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never
paid
much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate" under
the
Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here I
just
purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying
non-authorization
issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least to
two
people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there 
are
reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I
support
it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a
single
user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for the
same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show that 
a
PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license to
run
a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the 
computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense,
you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has 
JAWS
installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had 
no
way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when I
bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes 
apparently
includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are
supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to 
test
as
I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was
hoping
to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to
upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed JAWS
is
included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite
legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and  options with this
feature.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to
stay
current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments that
FS
makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because she'd
keep
being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to
reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to
broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from a
demo
copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate
(if
you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past 
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because my
daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same 
as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay 
for
now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on a
desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just
plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a
paid
copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to look
to
the future.

On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I had
to have.  I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that there
is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5 andJAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying
to do much online.  I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the
nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I
got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice

Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through 15
would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for $100less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the dollar
in all this, but still...

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Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Richard Holloway

#4688

I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that? 

So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.

I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.

Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed and see what happens.

Show quoted text

On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when in 
remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only means that if 
you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are having the two products 
communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS can be used as authorization 
in that case?

Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?

I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of 
authorization.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58 dongle 
and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the relatively modest 
amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle at this point (because of 
the small size if nothing else). Where it actually crossed the line though 
was where some of us (sounds like this includes you) ended up with the $3K 
unit in the first place which included the license for the $1000 program, 
but nobody mentioned it so we spent $900 or so on the same license and then 
began adding on SMA's by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the Pacmate 
solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when you boot or 
something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant revenue 
stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I don't have 
benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From what I grasp, it 
seems to me they might come out better reducing some charges and allowing 
volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close association 
with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact of the matter is 
the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky. (Well, even compared to 
the mPower from back then). It might not matter so much to some people, but 
that Apex it basically attached to my daughter much of the day. The size and 
weight difference is a big deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep 
wondering if they are going to come out with something more Apex-like (they 
meaning FS). After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it 
is time for a facelift.

Richard


On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert 
the
use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They
guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize" 
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never 
paid
much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate" under
the
Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here I
just
purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying 
non-authorization
issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least to
two
people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there are
reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I 
support
it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a
single
user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for the
same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am. 
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show that a
PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license to
run
a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes 
sense,
you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has JAWS
installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had no
way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when I
bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes apparently
includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are
supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to test
as
I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was 
hoping
to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to
upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed JAWS
is
included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite
legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and  options with this
feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to
stay
current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments that 
FS
makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because she'd
keep
being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to
reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to
broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from a
demo
copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate 
(if
you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because my
daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay for
now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on a
desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just
plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a 
paid
copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to look 
to
the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I had
to have.  I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that there
is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5 andJAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying
to do much online.  I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the
nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I
got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through 15
would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for $100less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the dollar
in all this, but still...


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Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Dave...

#4687

Richard,

I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when in 
remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only means that if 
you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are having the two products 
communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS can be used as authorization 
in that case?

Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?

I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of 
authorization.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

Show quoted text

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58 dongle 
and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the relatively modest 
amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle at this point (because of 
the small size if nothing else). Where it actually crossed the line though 
was where some of us (sounds like this includes you) ended up with the $3K 
unit in the first place which included the license for the $1000 program, 
but nobody mentioned it so we spent $900 or so on the same license and then 
began adding on SMA's by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the Pacmate 
solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when you boot or 
something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant revenue 
stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I don't have 
benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From what I grasp, it 
seems to me they might come out better reducing some charges and allowing 
volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close association 
with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact of the matter is 
the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky. (Well, even compared to 
the mPower from back then). It might not matter so much to some people, but 
that Apex it basically attached to my daughter much of the day. The size and 
weight difference is a big deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep 
wondering if they are going to come out with something more Apex-like (they 
meaning FS). After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it 
is time for a facelift.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert 
the
use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They
guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize" 
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?

On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never 
paid
much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate" under
the
Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here I
just
purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying 
non-authorization
issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least to
two
people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there are
reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I 
support
it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a
single
user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for the
same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am. 
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show that a
PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license to
run
a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes 
sense,
you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has JAWS
installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had no
way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when I
bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes apparently
includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are
supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to test
as
I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was 
hoping
to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to
upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed JAWS
is
included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite
legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and  options with this
feature.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to
stay
current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments that 
FS
makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because she'd
keep
being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to
reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to
broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from a
demo
copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate 
(if
you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because my
daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay for
now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on a
desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just
plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a 
paid
copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to look 
to
the future.

On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I had
to have.  I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that there
is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5 andJAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying
to do much online.  I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the
nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I
got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice

Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through 15
would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for $100less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the dollar
in all this, but still...

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Re: sma notice:

Dondi

#4686

Thanks Kenny and Richard for the information.

Dondi

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-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 8:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: sma notice:

If I may add, the term is a often a bit more generically used as the origin
precedes USB. The USB ones I have seen do appear to be just flash drives,
but many of the older ones were very small box like devices that plugged
into one of several different ports including older serial, parallel, and
even ADB ports on old Macintosh computers. (Probably others too.) 

I'm not suggesting that Kenny's answer is incorrect at all. The reason I
mention this is that many of the older models had a short "pigtail" wire
connection where the device would sort of flop about or dangle. I assume
that is where the name actually came from. When you run across that style,
the name may seem to make a little more sense. Most of the other USB devices
I use like this are more often referred to as "hardware keys" lately. In my
experience, either term means the same thing.

Richard

On Nov 7, 2011, at 9:25 PM, Kenny Peyatt wrote:

Hi Dondie A dongle is a usb flash drive that has your license key on 
it so you can authorize jaws on any computer without using one of your 
activation keys on the web.

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Re: sma notice:

Richard Holloway

#4685

If I may add, the term is a often a bit more generically used as the origin precedes USB. The USB ones I have seen do appear to be just flash drives, but many of the older ones were very small box like devices that plugged into one of several different ports including older serial, parallel, and even ADB ports on old Macintosh computers. (Probably others too.) 

I'm not suggesting that Kenny's answer is incorrect at all. The reason I mention this is that many of the older models had a short "pigtail" wire connection where the device would sort of flop about or dangle. I assume that is where the name actually came from. When you run across that style, the name may seem to make a little more sense. Most of the other USB devices I use like this are more often referred to as "hardware keys" lately. In my experience, either term means the same thing.

Richard

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Hi Dondie A dongle is a usb flash drive that has your license key on it so
you can authorize jaws on any computer without using one of your activation
keys on the web. 

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Re: SMA Notice

Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...>

#4684

It's a USB device that you plug in to the pc USB which will let Jaws run in
regular mode.
Gerardo

-----Mensaje original-----
De: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] En
nombre de Dondi
Enviado el: lunes, 07 de noviembre de 2011 07:51 p.m.
Para: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Asunto: RE: SMA Notice

What's a dongle?

Dondi

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-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 4:10 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

David,

Well, I'm flummoxed. Never heard of that and FS never alerted me to it. 
Since I just purchased a new SMA for 14/15 I suspect I need to "renew" my
dongle.

I'll give them a call.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 14:39
Subject: RE: SMA Notice

Hello Dave;

I did contact Freedom Scientific,
And indeed, one can update the dongle.
They did send me a file, so, I just need to do the appropriate steps.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 4:45 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Ted,

You mention the Kenwood manual. I'm presuming that it's in a "no text on
page" PDF? Bear in mind that the Convenient OCR will only allow you to read
each page, and not allow you to save the conversion. I didn't want your
expectations to be too high.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 13:35
Subject: RE: SMA Notice

Thought so.  I was born at night, but not lass night.  Anyway, I now
have the disk in my hot little hand, and will get after it tomorrow.
I'll probably have to initially deactivate, given past experience, and
I'd like to see how it does with Access, but, one way or the other, I
think I'm finally good to go.  I've got an old Kenwood manual that ought
to be a great test for the OCR.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Dongle doesn't replace the SMA. It doesn't replace purchasing any new
versions. It only replaces the ILM authorization scheme. Removes the
need to
authorize using an ILM key.
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 04:56
Subject: RE: SMA Notice

Are you saying those don't' have to be renewed?  I would never have
thought of that.  Just look at what a SMA costs, compared to the price
of such a one-time purchase.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:27 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over

US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert
the
use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They

guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?

On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and neverpaid
much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate"under
the
Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And hereI
just
purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoyingnon-authorization
issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At leastto
two
people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get thereare
reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. Isupport
it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a
single
user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over forthe
same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade showthat a
PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a licenseto
run
a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to thecomputer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makessense,
you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each hasJAWS
installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I hadno
way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much whenI
bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includesapparently
includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are
supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine totest
as
I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I washoping
to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to
upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmedJAWS
is
included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite
legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and  options withthis
feature.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons tostay
current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustmentsthat FS
makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating becauseshe'd
keep
being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to
reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to
broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run froma
demo
copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate(if
you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this pastsummer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use becausemy
daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the sameas
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okayfor
now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way fromfrom
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is ona
desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just
plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had apaid
copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying tolook to
the future.

On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted Ihad
to have.  I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally thatthere
is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5and
JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying
to do much online.  I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the
nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I
got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice

Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through15
would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for$100
less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of thedollar
in all this, but still...

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Re: scripts for iTunes

Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...>

#4683

Blindtunes from
http://www.blindtunes.net/
they're free.
Gerardo

-----Mensaje original-----
De: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] En
nombre de Kerri 
Enviado el: lunes, 07 de noviembre de 2011 05:40 p.m.
Para: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Asunto: scripts for iTunes



Hello, all. Where can one obtain scripts for jfw 13 for iTunes? I know there
is t and t consultant in England but I reside in Canada. Thanks so much for
your help. I know this has been asked before but I've had a broken modem so
no email has gotten through.

 

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Re: Googledocs with JAWS 12

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>

#4682

Hello:
Anyone who  tells you Google Docs is accessable is just plain WRONG!!  There is a section on how to use Google Docs with a screen reader in the help files with Google Docs, but it is a fraud and a joke.  Nothing suggested works.
I personally checked with Freedom Scientific, GW Micro, and Serotech.  Each laughed when I mentioned Google Docs.  It is an accessibility nightmare.
I am an iPhone user, and I tried the Apple iPhone list, which has lots of Mac users.  Someone responded just today that VoiceOver, the Mac and iOS screen reader, used to work with Google Docs, but Google subsequently screwed up the interface.  So much for Google and accessibility!!!
You can sort of limp along in JAWS 12 if you turn off the favorites toolbar in Internet Explorer and use the JAWS cursor.
If you can help your student memorize a set of keystrokes, it may be possible to download the Google Doc as a Word document.  Then, working in Word, all is well.  Otherwise, Google Docs is hopeless.

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Subject: Googledocs with JAWS 12

Hello,

 

I have a student who's required to use googledocs for a project; however,
we're finding googledocs inaccessible with JAWS 12 and Firefox.  Can anyone
on this list shed some light on this subject?  I have seen some questions
via the internet and state some things are accessible and others state that
it is not.

 

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. 

 

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sma notice:

Kenny Peyattt jr.

#4681

Hi Dondie A dongle is a usb flash drive that has your license key on it so
you can authorize jaws on any computer without using one of your activation
keys on the web. 

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Re: SMA Notice

Dondi

#4680

What's a dongle?

Dondi

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-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 4:10 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

David,

Well, I'm flummoxed. Never heard of that and FS never alerted me to it. 
Since I just purchased a new SMA for 14/15 I suspect I need to "renew" my
dongle.

I'll give them a call.

Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 14:39
Subject: RE: SMA Notice

Hello Dave;

I did contact Freedom Scientific,
And indeed, one can update the dongle.
They did send me a file, so, I just need to do the appropriate steps.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 4:45 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Ted,

You mention the Kenwood manual. I'm presuming that it's in a "no text on
page" PDF? Bear in mind that the Convenient OCR will only allow you to read
each page, and not allow you to save the conversion. I didn't want your
expectations to be too high.

Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 13:35
Subject: RE: SMA Notice

Thought so.  I was born at night, but not lass night.  Anyway, I now
have the disk in my hot little hand, and will get after it tomorrow.
I'll probably have to initially deactivate, given past experience, and
I'd like to see how it does with Access, but, one way or the other, I
think I'm finally good to go.  I've got an old Kenwood manual that ought
to be a great test for the OCR.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Dongle doesn't replace the SMA. It doesn't replace purchasing any new
versions. It only replaces the ILM authorization scheme. Removes the
need to
authorize using an ILM key.
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 04:56
Subject: RE: SMA Notice

Are you saying those don't' have to be renewed?  I would never have
thought of that.  Just look at what a SMA costs, compared to the price
of such a one-time purchase.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:27 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over

US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert
the
use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They

guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
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From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?

On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and neverpaid
much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate"under
the
Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And hereI
just
purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoyingnon-authorization
issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco BayArea
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At leastto
two
people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get thereare
reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. Isupport
it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a
single
user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over forthe
same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade showthat a
PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a licenseto
run
a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to thecomputer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makessense,
you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each hasJAWS
installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I hadno
way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much whenI
bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includesapparently
includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are
supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine totest
as
I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I washoping
to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to
upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmedJAWS
is
included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite
legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and  options withthis
feature.

Richard

On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons tostay
current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustmentsthat FS
makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating becauseshe'd
keep
being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to
reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to
broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
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On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run froma
demo
copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate(if
you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this pastsummer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use becausemy
daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the sameas
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okayfor
now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way fromfrom
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is ona
desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just
plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had apaid
copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying tolook to
the future.

On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted Ihad
to have.  I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally thatthere
is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5and
JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying
to do much online.  I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the
nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I
got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice

Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through15
would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for$100
less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of thedollar
in all this, but still...

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Googledocs with JAWS 12

Sharon Clark

#4679

Hello,

I have a student who's required to use googledocs for a project; however,
we're finding googledocs inaccessible with JAWS 12 and Firefox.  Can anyone
on this list shed some light on this subject?  I have seen some questions
via the internet and state some things are accessible and others state that
it is not.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. 

Sharon 

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