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Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Dave...
 

David,

appreciate your willingness to work on this question.

Not trying to belabor the point, the only questions remaining from your
statement:

"I did try, the steps, however, I wasn't inclined to burn a ILM so, I did
put my dongle in, and the thumb drive portable was activated."

So that confirms that without any authorization, the Thumb drive version of
JAWS on a non-JAWS machine will indeed operate in 40-minute mode?

Then from what you've not yet tried, I'm still not sure if using an ILM key
will activate the thumb drive version of JAWS, nor whether it becomes
permanent on that thumb drive.

I still suspect that the ILM key will get burned, of course but will it
create the necessary folders/files on the thumb drive? I am down to one key
myself and like you, not willing to burn it in doing the experiment.

It's too bad no one person at FS can answer this question definitively.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 05:07
Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


Hello Dave;

Well I could be wrong in my assumption,
However, my understanding is;
Once you've downloaded and extracted
J13.0.303_Portable-32bit.exe
Or;
J13.0.303_Portable-64bit.exe
You take this thumb drive to another computer, which doesn't have jaws
installed.
You then will need to also install the video intercept,

Next when the portable version starts,
You will be promted to activate.
Once this is done,
I think the thumb drive is useable on any computer.
Also, if one has a dongle, you would need to also have plugged into the
machine with the portable thumb drive version.

I did try, the steps, however, I wasn't inclined to burn a ILM so, I did put
my dongle in, and the thumb drive portable was activated.



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:24 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

David,

So if I plug my thumb drive into a non-JAWS computer and launch JAWS, does
it come up in 40-minute mode until I go to FSActivate? If yes, do I burn a
key each time?

Or conversely is the authorization already built on to the thumb drive so
that as long as it's plugged in, that computer runs an authorized version?

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 13:06
Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


Hi,
If your using a thumb drive
As long as you have lisence, your good to go,
You can either run in demo, or you can be authorized.
Check out,

http://freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-MAGic-usb-drive.asp#downloa
d
-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Well,,

The intent of the thumb drive version is I think meant as a temporary usage
of JAWS on another machine, so I would expect that it be operating either in
40-minute mode, or operating unimpeded until the thumb drive is removed.
Anyone know which of these are true?

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:41
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


Yes, but that machine still needs an authorization or dongle. What would be
nice is if FS made a dongle that had a copy of Jaws already on it for those
situations.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


Hello there;
Yes indeed, the thumb drive solution for jaws is a good one.
Providing you have a licenced copy running on home computer, it is merely
downloading and extracting files to a thumb drive,
Then Daughter can cary the thumb drive with her, and use it on any
machine.

Hope this helps.


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Richard,

Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home
usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site,
downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13.
daughter's
Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that?

So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and
use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the
product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.

I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's
house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically
sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen
reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.

Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed
and see what happens.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when
in remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only
means that if you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are
having the two products communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS
can be used as authorization in that case?

Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?

I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of
authorization.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58
dongle and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the
relatively modest amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle
at this point (because of the small size if nothing else). Where it
actually crossed the line though was where some of us (sounds like
this includes you) ended up with the $3K unit in the first place which
included the license for the $1000 program, but nobody mentioned it so
we spent $900 or so on the same license and then began adding on SMA's
by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the
Pacmate solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when
you boot or something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant
revenue stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I
don't have benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From
what I grasp, it seems to me they might come out better reducing some
charges and allowing volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close
association with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact
of the matter is the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky.
(Well, even compared to the mPower from back then). It might not
matter so much to some people, but that Apex it basically attached to
my daughter much of the day. The size and weight difference is a big
deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep wondering if they are
going to come out with something more Apex-like (they meaning FS).
After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it is time
for a facelift.

Richard


On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents
over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to
pervert the use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along
those lines. They guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and
never paid much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from
PacMate" under the Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very
interesting, indeed. And here I just purchased and received my
dongle to avoid those annoying non-authorization issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At
least to two people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of
this. I get there are reasons to stay current. And I have no problem
with being legal. I support it fully, but I don't support paying for
more than one license for a single user of the product. My question
is if I am paying over and over for the same authorizations and
capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a
license to run a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is
hooked to the computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense, you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and
each has JAWS installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I
had no way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too
much when I bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each
includes apparently includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is
as to what versions are supported by the PAC Mate connection and how
this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test as I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of
v.11. I was hoping to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this
feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and
to upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy
confirmed JAWS is included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I
think this is quite legit., I just want to figure out any
limitations and options with this feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons
to stay current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes
adjustments that FS makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd keep being interrupted in the middle of her thought process
by the need to reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want
to broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run
from a demo copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking
up a PAC Mate (if you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade
show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use
because my daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the
same as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing
okay for now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that
gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is
on a desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this
is just plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had
a paid copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just
trying to look to the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally
that there is a huge difference in performance on the Internet
between JAWS 5 and
JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief
trying to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I
need the nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again,
I got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15 would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100
less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar in all this, but still...


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Re: SMA Notice

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Don't worry, the documentation was clear on that. Hey, just being able
to look at the thing was an improvement. Trouble is, it's in columnar
format, which is a drag. I'll take some time and try to tweak the HTML
settings, which should also help Acrobat Reader. Also, on this manual,
it's AR or bust. PDF Reader, with its less sophisticated controls,
could do nothing with it.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 4:45 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Ted,

You mention the Kenwood manual. I'm presuming that it's in a "no text on

page" PDF? Bear in mind that the Convenient OCR will only allow you to
read
each page, and not allow you to save the conversion. I didn't want your
expectations to be too high.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 13:35
Subject: RE: SMA Notice


Thought so. I was born at night, but not lass night. Anyway, I now
have the disk in my hot little hand, and will get after it tomorrow.
I'll probably have to initially deactivate, given past experience, and
I'd like to see how it does with Access, but, one way or the other, I
think I'm finally good to go. I've got an old Kenwood manual that ought
to be a great test for the OCR.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Dongle doesn't replace the SMA. It doesn't replace purchasing any new
versions. It only replaces the ILM authorization scheme. Removes the
need to
authorize using an ILM key.
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 04:56
Subject: RE: SMA Notice


Are you saying those don't' have to be renewed? I would never have
thought of that. Just look at what a SMA costs, compared to the price
of such a one-time purchase.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:27 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents over

US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to pervert
the
use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along those lines. They

guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and never
paid
much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from PacMate"
under
the
Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very interesting, indeed. And here
I
just
purchased and received my dongle to avoid those annoying
non-authorization
issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At least
to
two
people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of this. I get there
are
reasons to stay current. And I have no problem with being legal. I
support
it fully, but I don't support paying for more than one license for a
single
user of the product. My question is if I am paying over and over for
the
same authorizations and capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a
PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a license
to
run
a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is hooked to the
computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense,
you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and each has
JAWS
installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I had
no
way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too much when
I
bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each includes
apparently
includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is as to what versions are
supported by the PAC Mate connection and how this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test
as
I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of v.11. I was
hoping
to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and to
upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy confirmed
JAWS
is
included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I think this is quite
legit., I just want to figure out any limitations and options with
this
feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons to
stay
current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes adjustments
that FS
makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd
keep
being interrupted in the middle of her thought process by the need to
reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want to
broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run from
a
demo
copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking up a PAC Mate
(if
you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use because
my
daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the same
as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing okay
for
now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is on
a
desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this is just
plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had a
paid
copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just trying to
look to
the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had
to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally that
there
is a huge difference in performance on the Internet between JAWS 5
and
JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief trying
to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I need the
nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again, I
got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15
would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100
less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar
in all this, but still...


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Re: Assigning certain websites to language?

Tom Lange
 

Hello Gerardo,
You wrote:

HI guys: Suppose I want to tell certain websites to come up speaking
automatically in the language in which they were designed? For instance
since I'm bilingual and sometimes visit sites in English or Spanish, is
there a way in jaws to tell these sites to come up speaking in either
English or Spanish? I went into Insert+v but couldn't find anything of
sorts, thus my question.
I know of no way to do this. If I remember correctly, it should work the other way around. If (1) the web site in question has the properly coded language tags in its HTML code, (2) you're using a multilingual synthesizer that supports the language in question, and (3) you've got language detection turned on in the settings center, JAWS should automatically switch to that language and read the web page in that language.

Turning language detection on is easy with JAWS 12 or higher. Press insert+6 to go into settings center and type "language" in the search box, then press enter. In the search results list, you'll see an item labeled "Language detection". If it's not turned on, its checkbox will be unchecked; just hit the space bar to turn it on, tab to Apply, then tab to OK and press enter.
Hope that helps.

Tom


Re: installing jfw without burning a key

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello there;

Not sure what the problem was:
However,
Jaws13 takes a little longer to install because of the OCR feature/files
needs to be downloaded,
Also, if you tried to activate, not sure wich version of windows, however,
if it's vista, or win7,
Maybe the UAC was blocking the FSActivate process, as it did with one of my
clients.
You can go to:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/_vti_Activate/FSActivate.asp

here you can find out how many keys you have remaining, before a reset.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 7:53 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: installing jfw without burning a key

I installed 13 yesterday, and had to get Jason to do a Tandem to get it in.
Worse, I followed his suggestion and trashed my old authorization.
I imagine this means I'm out of keys, and will have to refill before I can
install here at the office. The Tandem worked fine (yes, Virginia, you can
do it on dial up), but I can't figure out where the block was, and have no
guarantee it won't happen again next year. As I'm running XP Pro, the
solution put forth last week is inapplicable. It has to be something small.

On the plus side, this looks to be lucky 13--really sweet. I had a little
trouble with OCR, but finally realized Eric was using different settings on
his machine. After reading the help screen several times, I finally
realized the whole thing had to be done with the JAWS cursor, which is why
it kept saying JAWS cursor--talk about getting hit over the head. The
formatting was lousy on the Kenwood manual, and there were a lot of typos,
but it worked! Boy, were you guys right about the default voice--sounds
like Julia Childes in drag!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:15 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: installing jfw without burning a key

Yes I did and I am back to one key as I just checked it right now as I am
typing this message.

Peace!

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 7:33 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: installing jfw without burning a key

Kimsan,

On the FSActivate site there is a link to fill out a form to request that
your activation count be reinstated. Have you done that?
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 21:10
Subject: RE: installing jfw without burning a key


I don't even have jaws 12 installed.

All I have running on my machine is jaws and window eyes.
I just looked on the fs activate site and I have no activations left.
Oh well, I will just stick with whaaat I have.
-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:49 PM
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Subject: Re: installing jfw without burning a key

Kimsan,

So you're saying that your JAWS 12 runs in 40-minute mode and you have no
more activations left on the FSActivate web site?

IF so, it won't help your install of JAWS 13.

If you had previously saved your activation and authorization folders from
your previous non-demo-mode JAWS 12 you could then recover them and JAWS
12
should then run normally.

If you have JAWS 12 running normally then installing JAWS 13 should not
require you to reactivate -- unless...you don't have any more SMA to allow
you to run JAWS 13. If that is the case, the technique to not burn a key
will not help.

So I'm a bit confused with your question and your exact situation, as you
can surmise.

Dave Carlson
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Subject: installing jfw without burning a key


I am wanting to know if I installed 13 and wanted to activate 12 without
burning a key would that make sense or will I need to install from the
oldest version to the most current one.

I am referencing the steps that someone provided a while back. I am aware it
is not garenteed to work on a windows 7 machine but I got lucky last time.



Why do I want 12 seeing as I have 13 running? No special reason, just
curious on how it would work if it would work.

Thanks.

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Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello Dave;

Well I could be wrong in my assumption,
However, my understanding is;
Once you've downloaded and extracted
J13.0.303_Portable-32bit.exe
Or;
J13.0.303_Portable-64bit.exe
You take this thumb drive to another computer, which doesn't have jaws
installed.
You then will need to also install the video intercept,

Next when the portable version starts,
You will be promted to activate.
Once this is done,
I think the thumb drive is useable on any computer.
Also, if one has a dongle, you would need to also have plugged into the
machine with the portable thumb drive version.

I did try, the steps, however, I wasn't inclined to burn a ILM so, I did put
my dongle in, and the thumb drive portable was activated.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:24 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

David,

So if I plug my thumb drive into a non-JAWS computer and launch JAWS, does
it come up in 40-minute mode until I go to FSActivate? If yes, do I burn a
key each time?

Or conversely is the authorization already built on to the thumb drive so
that as long as it's plugged in, that computer runs an authorized version?

Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 13:06
Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


Hi,
If your using a thumb drive
As long as you have lisence, your good to go,
You can either run in demo, or you can be authorized.
Check out,

http://freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-MAGic-usb-drive.asp#downloa
d
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On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Well,,

The intent of the thumb drive version is I think meant as a temporary usage
of JAWS on another machine, so I would expect that it be operating either in
40-minute mode, or operating unimpeded until the thumb drive is removed.
Anyone know which of these are true?

Dave Carlson
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:41
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


Yes, but that machine still needs an authorization or dongle. What would be
nice is if FS made a dongle that had a copy of Jaws already on it for those
situations.

----- Original Message -----
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


Hello there;
Yes indeed, the thumb drive solution for jaws is a good one.
Providing you have a licenced copy running on home computer, it is merely
downloading and extracting files to a thumb drive,
Then Daughter can cary the thumb drive with her, and use it on any
machine.

Hope this helps.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Richard,

Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home
usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site,
downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13.
daughter's
Dave Carlson
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From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that?

So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and
use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the
product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.

I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's
house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically
sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen
reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.

Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed
and see what happens.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when
in remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only
means that if you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are
having the two products communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS
can be used as authorization in that case?

Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?

I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of
authorization.

Dave Carlson
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Area
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From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58
dongle and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the
relatively modest amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle
at this point (because of the small size if nothing else). Where it
actually crossed the line though was where some of us (sounds like
this includes you) ended up with the $3K unit in the first place which
included the license for the $1000 program, but nobody mentioned it so
we spent $900 or so on the same license and then began adding on SMA's
by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the
Pacmate solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when
you boot or something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant
revenue stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I
don't have benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From
what I grasp, it seems to me they might come out better reducing some
charges and allowing volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close
association with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact
of the matter is the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky.
(Well, even compared to the mPower from back then). It might not
matter so much to some people, but that Apex it basically attached to
my daughter much of the day. The size and weight difference is a big
deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep wondering if they are
going to come out with something more Apex-like (they meaning FS).
After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it is time
for a facelift.

Richard


On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents
over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to
pervert the use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along
those lines. They guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and
never paid much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from
PacMate" under the Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very
interesting, indeed. And here I just purchased and received my
dongle to avoid those annoying non-authorization issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At
least to two people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of
this. I get there are reasons to stay current. And I have no problem
with being legal. I support it fully, but I don't support paying for
more than one license for a single user of the product. My question
is if I am paying over and over for the same authorizations and
capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a
license to run a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is
hooked to the computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense, you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and
each has JAWS installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I
had no way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too
much when I bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each
includes apparently includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is
as to what versions are supported by the PAC Mate connection and how
this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test as I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of
v.11. I was hoping to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this
feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and
to upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy
confirmed JAWS is included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I
think this is quite legit., I just want to figure out any
limitations and options with this feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons
to stay current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes
adjustments that FS makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd keep being interrupted in the middle of her thought process
by the need to reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want
to broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run
from a demo copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking
up a PAC Mate (if you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade
show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use
because my daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the
same as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing
okay for now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that
gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is
on a desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this
is just plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had
a paid copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just
trying to look to the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally
that there is a huge difference in performance on the Internet
between JAWS 5 and
JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief
trying to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I
need the nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again,
I got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15 would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100
less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar in all this, but still...


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Re: installing jfw without burning a key

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I installed 13 yesterday, and had to get Jason to do a Tandem to get it
in. Worse, I followed his suggestion and trashed my old authorization.
I imagine this means I'm out of keys, and will have to refill before I
can install here at the office. The Tandem worked fine (yes, Virginia,
you can do it on dial up), but I can't figure out where the block was,
and have no guarantee it won't happen again next year. As I'm running
XP Pro, the solution put forth last week is inapplicable. It has to be
something small.

On the plus side, this looks to be lucky 13--really sweet. I had a
little trouble with OCR, but finally realized Eric was using different
settings on his machine. After reading the help screen several times, I
finally realized the whole thing had to be done with the JAWS cursor,
which is why it kept saying JAWS cursor--talk about getting hit over the
head. The formatting was lousy on the Kenwood manual, and there were a
lot of typos, but it worked! Boy, were you guys right about the default
voice--sounds like Julia Childes in drag!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:15 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: installing jfw without burning a key

Yes I did and I am back to one key as I just checked it right now as I
am
typing this message.

Peace!

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On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 7:33 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: installing jfw without burning a key

Kimsan,

On the FSActivate site there is a link to fill out a form to request
that
your activation count be reinstated. Have you done that?
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 21:10
Subject: RE: installing jfw without burning a key


I don't even have jaws 12 installed.

All I have running on my machine is jaws and window eyes.
I just looked on the fs activate site and I have no activations left.
Oh well, I will just stick with whaaat I have.
-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: installing jfw without burning a key

Kimsan,

So you're saying that your JAWS 12 runs in 40-minute mode and you have
no
more activations left on the FSActivate web site?

IF so, it won't help your install of JAWS 13.

If you had previously saved your activation and authorization folders
from
your previous non-demo-mode JAWS 12 you could then recover them and JAWS
12
should then run normally.

If you have JAWS 12 running normally then installing JAWS 13 should not
require you to reactivate -- unless...you don't have any more SMA to
allow
you to run JAWS 13. If that is the case, the technique to not burn a key
will not help.

So I'm a bit confused with your question and your exact situation, as
you
can surmise.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 15:30
Subject: installing jfw without burning a key


I am wanting to know if I installed 13 and wanted to activate 12 without
burning a key would that make sense or will I need to install from the
oldest version to the most current one.

I am referencing the steps that someone provided a while back. I am
aware it
is not garenteed to work on a windows 7 machine but I got lucky last
time.



Why do I want 12 seeing as I have 13 running? No special reason, just
curious on how it would work if it would work.

Thanks.

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Assigning certain websites to language?

Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...>
 

HI guys: Suppose I want to tell certain websites to come up speaking
automatically in the language in which they were designed? For instance
since I'm bilingual and sometimes visit sites in English or Spanish, is
there a way in jaws to tell these sites to come up speaking in either
English or Spanish? I went into Insert+v but couldn't find anything of
sorts, thus my question.

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Re: Jaws and xl

Dave...
 

Oh, I just noticed that you are employed by the government, so converting to
acronyms and abbreviations are second-nature to you. I personally avoid them
when communicating with any public forums, in particular those where the
audience is significantly International.

Dave Carlson
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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:48
Subject: RE: Jaws and xl


thanks, it's just easier to abbreviate


Regards
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Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011 10:46 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws and xl

And by the way, it's E-x-c-e-l, not X-L.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:41
Subject: Re: Jaws and xl


Press f2 and that's the cell formula edit field. I think that's what
you're
looking for.
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
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To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:36
Subject: Jaws and xl


Hi all,



I am new to this list, and have a question. In xl, a sighted person told
me about a fx line above the columns in an xl spreadsheet. I want to
dump about fifty characters there and then into some merged sells. My
question is, how do I get to this fx line?

I have tried everything and had no luck. When a sighted person puts the
mouse on the fx line, jaws says edit.



Any help is appreciated, as I am at work and need to get a high volume
of information into a spreadsheet quickly and be able to update it as
needed.



Thanks





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Naomi Bolter <Naomi.Bolter@...>
 

thanks, it's just easier to abbreviate


Regards
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Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011 10:46 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws and xl

And by the way, it's E-x-c-e-l, not X-L.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:41
Subject: Re: Jaws and xl


Press f2 and that's the cell formula edit field. I think that's what
you're
looking for.
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
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To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:36
Subject: Jaws and xl


Hi all,



I am new to this list, and have a question. In xl, a sighted person told
me about a fx line above the columns in an xl spreadsheet. I want to
dump about fifty characters there and then into some merged sells. My
question is, how do I get to this fx line?

I have tried everything and had no luck. When a sighted person puts the
mouse on the fx line, jaws says edit.



Any help is appreciated, as I am at work and need to get a high volume
of information into a spreadsheet quickly and be able to update it as
needed.



Thanks





Regards

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Re: Jaws and xl

Dave...
 

And by the way, it's E-x-c-e-l, not X-L.

Dave Carlson
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:41
Subject: Re: Jaws and xl


Press f2 and that's the cell formula edit field. I think that's what you're
looking for.
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
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To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:36
Subject: Jaws and xl


Hi all,



I am new to this list, and have a question. In xl, a sighted person told
me about a fx line above the columns in an xl spreadsheet. I want to
dump about fifty characters there and then into some merged sells. My
question is, how do I get to this fx line?

I have tried everything and had no luck. When a sighted person puts the
mouse on the fx line, jaws says edit.



Any help is appreciated, as I am at work and need to get a high volume
of information into a spreadsheet quickly and be able to update it as
needed.



Thanks





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Thank you!


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Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011 10:41 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws and xl

Press f2 and that's the cell formula edit field. I think that's what
you're
looking for.
Dave Carlson
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To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:36
Subject: Jaws and xl


Hi all,



I am new to this list, and have a question. In xl, a sighted person told
me about a fx line above the columns in an xl spreadsheet. I want to
dump about fifty characters there and then into some merged sells. My
question is, how do I get to this fx line?

I have tried everything and had no luck. When a sighted person puts the
mouse on the fx line, jaws says edit.



Any help is appreciated, as I am at work and need to get a high volume
of information into a spreadsheet quickly and be able to update it as
needed.



Thanks





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Re: Jaws and xl

Dave...
 

Press f2 and that's the cell formula edit field. I think that's what you're
looking for.
Dave Carlson
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To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:36
Subject: Jaws and xl


Hi all,



I am new to this list, and have a question. In xl, a sighted person told
me about a fx line above the columns in an xl spreadsheet. I want to
dump about fifty characters there and then into some merged sells. My
question is, how do I get to this fx line?

I have tried everything and had no luck. When a sighted person puts the
mouse on the fx line, jaws says edit.



Any help is appreciated, as I am at work and need to get a high volume
of information into a spreadsheet quickly and be able to update it as
needed.



Thanks





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Jaws and xl

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Hi all,



I am new to this list, and have a question. In xl, a sighted person told
me about a fx line above the columns in an xl spreadsheet. I want to
dump about fifty characters there and then into some merged sells. My
question is, how do I get to this fx line?

I have tried everything and had no luck. When a sighted person puts the
mouse on the fx line, jaws says edit.



Any help is appreciated, as I am at work and need to get a high volume
of information into a spreadsheet quickly and be able to update it as
needed.



Thanks





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Re: scripts for Skype

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

go to http://dlee.org/skype

At 04:53 PM 11/8/2011, you wrote:
Hello:

JAWS 13 does not work with Skype. How do I find the script for it?
Thank you in advance.

Dan



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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:15 AM
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Subject: RE: scripts for Skype

Why not try "skypeTalking"? This is what I use. And it is perfectly OK
for
me. Google it out!
Regards, smart


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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:04 PM
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Subject: scripts for Skype

Hello: does anyone know where I can get scripts for Skype for Jaws 13
that
when installed announce when a person comes on line. I have this for
Jaws 12
but I don't remember how I got them. I installed the scripts from Dug
Lee's
page but they don't say when someone comes on line.
Thanks for any help.
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Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Dave...
 

David,

So if I plug my thumb drive into a non-JAWS computer and launch JAWS, does
it come up in 40-minute mode until I go to FSActivate? If yes, do I burn a
key each time?

Or conversely is the authorization already built on to the thumb drive so
that as long as it's plugged in, that computer runs an authorized version?

Dave Carlson
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Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


Hi,
If your using a thumb drive
As long as you have lisence, your good to go,
You can either run in demo, or you can be authorized.
Check out,

http://freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-MAGic-usb-drive.asp#downloa
d
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On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Well,,

The intent of the thumb drive version is I think meant as a temporary usage
of JAWS on another machine, so I would expect that it be operating either in
40-minute mode, or operating unimpeded until the thumb drive is removed.
Anyone know which of these are true?

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brent Harding" <brent@hostany.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:41
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


Yes, but that machine still needs an authorization or dongle. What would be
nice is if FS made a dongle that had a copy of Jaws already on it for those
situations.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


Hello there;
Yes indeed, the thumb drive solution for jaws is a good one.
Providing you have a licenced copy running on home computer, it is merely
downloading and extracting files to a thumb drive,
Then Daughter can cary the thumb drive with her, and use it on any
machine.

Hope this helps.


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Richard,

Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home
usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site,
downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13.
daughter's
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that?

So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and
use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the
product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.

I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's
house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically
sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen
reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.

Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed
and see what happens.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when
in remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only
means that if you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are
having the two products communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS
can be used as authorization in that case?

Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?

I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of
authorization.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58
dongle and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the
relatively modest amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle
at this point (because of the small size if nothing else). Where it
actually crossed the line though was where some of us (sounds like
this includes you) ended up with the $3K unit in the first place which
included the license for the $1000 program, but nobody mentioned it so
we spent $900 or so on the same license and then began adding on SMA's
by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the
Pacmate solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when
you boot or something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant
revenue stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I
don't have benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From
what I grasp, it seems to me they might come out better reducing some
charges and allowing volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close
association with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact
of the matter is the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky.
(Well, even compared to the mPower from back then). It might not
matter so much to some people, but that Apex it basically attached to
my daughter much of the day. The size and weight difference is a big
deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep wondering if they are
going to come out with something more Apex-like (they meaning FS).
After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it is time
for a facelift.

Richard


On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents
over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to
pervert the use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along
those lines. They guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and
never paid much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from
PacMate" under the Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very
interesting, indeed. And here I just purchased and received my
dongle to avoid those annoying non-authorization issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At
least to two people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of
this. I get there are reasons to stay current. And I have no problem
with being legal. I support it fully, but I don't support paying for
more than one license for a single user of the product. My question
is if I am paying over and over for the same authorizations and
capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a
license to run a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is
hooked to the computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense, you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and
each has JAWS installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I
had no way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too
much when I bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each
includes apparently includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is
as to what versions are supported by the PAC Mate connection and how
this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test as I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of
v.11. I was hoping to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this
feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and
to upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy
confirmed JAWS is included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I
think this is quite legit., I just want to figure out any
limitations and options with this feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons
to stay current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes
adjustments that FS makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd keep being interrupted in the middle of her thought process
by the need to reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want
to broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run
from a demo copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking
up a PAC Mate (if you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade
show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use
because my daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the
same as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing
okay for now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that
gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is
on a desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this
is just plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had
a paid copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just
trying to look to the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally
that there is a huge difference in performance on the Internet
between JAWS 5 and
JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief
trying to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I
need the nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again,
I got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15 would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100
less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar in all this, but still...


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open parent document button

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

This was talked about a while back so can someone refresh my memory? I think
it was on this list? I launch my browser and navigate to a page and I get
open paren document button what is this and how to make it stop?

Thanks.

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Re: scripts for Skype

Daniel Tang (dtang) <dtang@...>
 

Hello:

JAWS 13 does not work with Skype. How do I find the script for it?
Thank you in advance.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Smart Eze
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:15 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: scripts for Skype

Why not try "skypeTalking"? This is what I use. And it is perfectly OK
for
me. Google it out!
Regards, smart


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Martin Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: scripts for Skype

Hello: does anyone know where I can get scripts for Skype for Jaws 13
that
when installed announce when a person comes on line. I have this for
Jaws 12
but I don't remember how I got them. I installed the scripts from Dug
Lee's
page but they don't say when someone comes on line.
Thanks for any help.
Martin Nelson


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Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hi,
If your using a thumb drive
As long as you have lisence, your good to go,
You can either run in demo, or you can be authorized.
Check out,

http://freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-MAGic-usb-drive.asp#downloa
d

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Well,,

The intent of the thumb drive version is I think meant as a temporary usage
of JAWS on another machine, so I would expect that it be operating either in
40-minute mode, or operating unimpeded until the thumb drive is removed.
Anyone know which of these are true?

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brent Harding" <brent@hostany.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:41
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


Yes, but that machine still needs an authorization or dongle. What would be
nice is if FS made a dongle that had a copy of Jaws already on it for those
situations.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


Hello there;
Yes indeed, the thumb drive solution for jaws is a good one.
Providing you have a licenced copy running on home computer, it is merely
downloading and extracting files to a thumb drive,
Then Daughter can cary the thumb drive with her, and use it on any
machine.

Hope this helps.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Richard,

Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home
usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site,
downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13.
daughter's
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that?

So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and
use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the
product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.

I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's
house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically
sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen
reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.

Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed
and see what happens.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when
in remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only
means that if you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are
having the two products communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS
can be used as authorization in that case?

Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?

I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of
authorization.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
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From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58
dongle and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the
relatively modest amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle
at this point (because of the small size if nothing else). Where it
actually crossed the line though was where some of us (sounds like
this includes you) ended up with the $3K unit in the first place which
included the license for the $1000 program, but nobody mentioned it so
we spent $900 or so on the same license and then began adding on SMA's
by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the
Pacmate solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when
you boot or something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant
revenue stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I
don't have benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From
what I grasp, it seems to me they might come out better reducing some
charges and allowing volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close
association with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact
of the matter is the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky.
(Well, even compared to the mPower from back then). It might not
matter so much to some people, but that Apex it basically attached to
my daughter much of the day. The size and weight difference is a big
deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep wondering if they are
going to come out with something more Apex-like (they meaning FS).
After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it is time
for a facelift.

Richard


On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents
over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to
pervert the use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along
those lines. They guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and
never paid much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from
PacMate" under the Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very
interesting, indeed. And here I just purchased and received my
dongle to avoid those annoying non-authorization issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At
least to two people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of
this. I get there are reasons to stay current. And I have no problem
with being legal. I support it fully, but I don't support paying for
more than one license for a single user of the product. My question
is if I am paying over and over for the same authorizations and
capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a
license to run a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is
hooked to the computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense, you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and
each has JAWS installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I
had no way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too
much when I bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each
includes apparently includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is
as to what versions are supported by the PAC Mate connection and how
this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test as I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of
v.11. I was hoping to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this
feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and
to upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy
confirmed JAWS is included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I
think this is quite legit., I just want to figure out any
limitations and options with this feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons
to stay current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes
adjustments that FS makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd keep being interrupted in the middle of her thought process
by the need to reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want
to broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run
from a demo copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking
up a PAC Mate (if you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade
show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use
because my daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the
same as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing
okay for now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that
gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is
on a desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this
is just plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had
a paid copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just
trying to look to the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally
that there is a huge difference in performance on the Internet
between JAWS 5 and
JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief
trying to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I
need the nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again,
I got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15 would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100
less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar in all this, but still...


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Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Dave...
 

Well,,

The intent of the thumb drive version is I think meant as a temporary usage
of JAWS on another machine, so I would expect that it be operating either in
40-minute mode, or operating unimpeded until the thumb drive is removed.
Anyone know which of these are true?

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brent Harding" <brent@hostany.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:41
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


Yes, but that machine still needs an authorization or dongle. What would be
nice is if FS made a dongle that had a copy of Jaws already on it for those
situations.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


Hello there;
Yes indeed, the thumb drive solution for jaws is a good one.
Providing you have a licenced copy running on home computer, it is merely
downloading and extracting files to a thumb drive,
Then Daughter can cary the thumb drive with her, and use it on any
machine.

Hope this helps.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Richard,

Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home
usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site,
downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13.
daughter's
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that?

So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and
use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the
product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.

I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's
house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically
sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen
reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.

Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed
and see what happens.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when
in remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only
means that if you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are
having the two products communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS
can be used as authorization in that case?

Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?

I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of
authorization.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58
dongle and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the
relatively modest amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle
at this point (because of the small size if nothing else). Where it
actually crossed the line though was where some of us (sounds like
this includes you) ended up with the $3K unit in the first place which
included the license for the $1000 program, but nobody mentioned it so
we spent $900 or so on the same license and then began adding on SMA's
by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the
Pacmate solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when
you boot or something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant
revenue stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I
don't have benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From
what I grasp, it seems to me they might come out better reducing some
charges and allowing volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close
association with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact
of the matter is the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky.
(Well, even compared to the mPower from back then). It might not
matter so much to some people, but that Apex it basically attached to
my daughter much of the day. The size and weight difference is a big
deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep wondering if they are
going to come out with something more Apex-like (they meaning FS).
After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it is time
for a facelift.

Richard


On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents
over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to
pervert the use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along
those lines. They guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and
never paid much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from
PacMate" under the Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very
interesting, indeed. And here I just purchased and received my
dongle to avoid those annoying non-authorization issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At
least to two people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of
this. I get there are reasons to stay current. And I have no problem
with being legal. I support it fully, but I don't support paying for
more than one license for a single user of the product. My question
is if I am paying over and over for the same authorizations and
capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a
license to run a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is
hooked to the computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense, you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and
each has JAWS installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I
had no way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too
much when I bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each
includes apparently includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is
as to what versions are supported by the PAC Mate connection and how
this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test as I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of
v.11. I was hoping to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this
feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and
to upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy
confirmed JAWS is included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I
think this is quite legit., I just want to figure out any
limitations and options with this feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons
to stay current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes
adjustments that FS makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd keep being interrupted in the middle of her thought process
by the need to reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want
to broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run
from a demo copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking
up a PAC Mate (if you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade
show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use
because my daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the
same as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing
okay for now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that
gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is
on a desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this
is just plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had
a paid copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just
trying to look to the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally
that there is a huge difference in performance on the Internet
between JAWS 5 and
JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief
trying to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I
need the nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again,
I got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15 would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100
less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar in all this, but still...


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Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Brent Harding
 

Yes, but that machine still needs an authorization or dongle. What would be nice is if FS made a dongle that had a copy of Jaws already on it for those situations.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


Hello there;
Yes indeed, the thumb drive solution for jaws is a good one.
Providing you have a licenced copy running on home computer, it is merely
downloading and extracting files to a thumb drive,
Then Daughter can cary the thumb drive with her, and use it on any machine.

Hope this helps.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)

Richard,

Look at the Thumb Drive version of JAWS for your daughter's away-from-home
usage on other machines. Sounds like what she needs. On the FS web site,
downloadable right along with the standard current JAWS 13.
daughter's
Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:19
Subject: Re: Authorizing JAWS using a PacMate (was SMA Notice)


I'm not familiar with remote mode-- what is that?

So far our JAWS use is fairly basic and we have never had need to try and
use JAWS on a machine without a conventionally authorized version of the
product is installed, though I'd like to have that option.

I'd especially like my daughter to be able to use JAWS, say at a friend's
house when she's over visiting, but all of her friends are typically
sighted, so as one might expect, they would not have an expensive screen
reader sitting about on their computer for her to use.

Maybe I can dig up an old PC to test this on with a demo version installed
and see what happens.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

I tried the PacMate and it seems that its authorization is used when
in remote mode. I didn't pursue further, but I'm thinking it only
means that if you are using the PC JAWS and PacMate JAWS, and are
having the two products communicating remotely, that the PacMate JAWS
can be used as authorization in that case?

Have you tried this yourself to see how it works?

I'd have to ask FS to explain better the point of that type of
authorization.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 19:04
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Interesting. Well, I guess it could be worse. So now you have a $58
dongle and a $3000 dongle (give or take a few bucks). Given the
relatively modest amount, it may be as well to have an actual dongle
at this point (because of the small size if nothing else). Where it
actually crossed the line though was where some of us (sounds like
this includes you) ended up with the $3K unit in the first place which
included the license for the $1000 program, but nobody mentioned it so
we spent $900 or so on the same license and then began adding on SMA's
by the $100's as years rolled by.

Besides, I suspect the dongle is closer to seamless. I'll bet the
Pacmate solution takes more effort like reauthorizing manually when
you boot or something like that.

The FS guarding of the dongles and their using the SMA's as a giant
revenue stream and all of that continue to sort of baffle me though I
don't have benefit of the numbers involved from their standpoint. From
what I grasp, it seems to me they might come out better reducing some
charges and allowing volume sales to increase.

I liked the idea of going with the PAC Mate because of the close
association with having JAWS on the PC and the PAC Mate, but the fact
of the matter is the unit (compared to an Apex) is huge and clunky.
(Well, even compared to the mPower from back then). It might not
matter so much to some people, but that Apex it basically attached to
my daughter much of the day. The size and weight difference is a big
deal alone, at least for a third grader. I keep wondering if they are
going to come out with something more Apex-like (they meaning FS).
After all, the Omni is what, maybe 5 years old now? Surely it is time
for a facelift.

Richard


On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

No, the dongle is not version-specific. It cost me just a few cents
over
US$58 to send it to my mailbox. Also I had to digitally sign a form
promising that I would never ever use the dongle in a way as to
pervert the use of it strictly for my purposes. Or something along
those lines. They guard those dongles with enormous zeal.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 18:30
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


Well there we go again, paying more than once for the same thing.
Frustrating, isn't it? They certainly never mentioned the "authorize"
option
to me when we were looking at buying both a few years back.

Do you mind if I ask what the dongle cost? And is it version-specific
somehow?



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote:

Richard,

Interesting. I've got a PacMate that I rarely use any more, and
never paid much attention to that option to "Use Authorization from
PacMate" under the Advanced button in Options/Basics. Very
interesting, indeed. And here I just purchased and received my
dongle to avoid those annoying non-authorization issues.

I'll have to give it a try some time.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay
Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 14:21
Subject: Re: SMA Notice


What's not to broadcast? This is not a secret illegal trick. At
least to two people I've spoken with at FS have made me aware of
this. I get there are reasons to stay current. And I have no problem
with being legal. I support it fully, but I don't support paying for
more than one license for a single user of the product. My question
is if I am paying over and over for the same authorizations and
capacities, and it sounds like maybe I am.
Perhaps
several of us are if we own both JAWS and a PAC Mate.

FS, while trying to sell me a new PAC MATE told me at a trade show
that a PAC Mate (a $3,000+ item I already bought before) includes a
license to run a full version of JAWS so long as the PAC Mate is
hooked to the computer.
Unhooked JAWS would run on the computer in Demo Mode. Sort of makes
sense, you can't use both machines alone if they are connected and
each has JAWS installed.

As I already had a $1000 copy of JAWS 11 on the desktop machine, I
had no way to test it. Sounds to me like I already spent $1000 too
much when I bought JAWS and the PAC Mate at the same time as each
includes apparently includes a JAWS license. Where I am unclear is
as to what versions are supported by the PAC Mate connection and how
this is enabled.

I have been hesitant to install a v12 or v13 demo on this machine to
test as I don't want to mess anything up on the full install of
v.11. I was hoping to hear from a PAC Mate user who tried this
feature.

When FS called a while back to try and get me to buy a new SMA (and
to upgrade to v.12, just before V.13 came out) the sales guy
confirmed JAWS is included with a PAC Mate in this way, so again, I
think this is quite legit., I just want to figure out any
limitations and options with this feature.

Richard



On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

As Joni explained earlier this afternoon, there are unsung reasons
to stay current with JAWS, specifically the behind-the-scenes
adjustments that FS makes to developments on the Web.

Your daughter would soon find 40-minute mode frustrating because
she'd keep being interrupted in the middle of her thought process
by the need to reboot.

I can't comment on your Pac Mate point, and I'm not sure you want
to broadcast it, even assuming the suggestion works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: SMA Notice

Here's a question I have: apparently one can enable JAWS to run
from a demo copy (without the demo timer turning it off) by hooking
up a PAC Mate (if you have one). (A FS guy told us this at a trade
show this past
summer.)
Well, we have a "spare" PAC Mate that we basically never use
because my daughter prefers her BrailleNote Apex.

Does anyone know the deal with this? I mean, isn't demo JAWS the
same as
$900 JAWS that just turns off after what, 30 or 40 minutes?

We bought JAWS 9 with the SMA that got us to 11 and we're doing
okay for now. I thought of buying the new SMA, but what does that
gain for us?
We've
never called for support after the initial setup all the way from
from
v.9
to 10 to 11 so I'm not seeing that as a justification, and this is
on a desktop machine so it isn't like we need to be mobile-- this
is just plugging in a USB cable, right?

What am I missing? We've never tried this because we've always had
a paid copy of JAWS and so far we haven't gone past v.11. Just
trying to look to the future.




On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Joni Colver wrote:

Dave, the final price was actually closer to $600 than $500 by the
time I paid the sales tax and shipment of the CD/DVD he insisted I
had to have. I saved a few bucks, but I can say unequivocally
that there is a huge difference in performance on the Internet
between JAWS 5 and
JAWS 12.
People probably don't notice that much of a difference version to
version, but I was limping along and frustrated beyond belief
trying to do much online. I am always a reluctant upgrader, so I
need the nudge to do so by having the SMA.

To the person who suggested that SMA stands for send money again,
I got a kick out of that.

Joni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptoject: Re: SMA Notice


Joni,

Another way to look at your situation, is in how much money you
actually saved. If you had kept current, going from JAWS 6 through
15 would have been
5 SMA at $120 each for a total of $600. You got current + SMA for
$100
less.

So you came out ahead. Congratulations!

Of course I'm not accounting for inflation and the value of the
dollar in all this, but still...


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