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moderated Re: Perhaps a Windows update change?

 

Hi,
Welcome to Version 1909 - yes, this is due to Version 1909 changes.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2019 8:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Perhaps a Windows update change?

Try switching to the newly named Jaws Scan with the minus key on the keypad.
Or, try it with Narrator instead.



Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2019 7:27 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Perhaps a Windows update change?

I think Windows update made a change
When I press Windows key plus A for the action center, I see manage notifications button, tablet mode not checked and collapsed quick action. However, I can't get to the actions with enter or space bar or tab or arrows. What has changed and what do I need to activate the action center? If I rout JAWS cursor to PC cursor, then I see location, network, blue tooth, etc. I have discovered that if I press tab plus right arrow I can then see my options on the action center. Is this normal? As usual, I apologize for not being clearer.

--
Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

--

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.


moderated Re: saving documents in Word

CJ &AA MAY
 

I am using Jaws 18 with Windows 10 and Office 365.

Until relatively recently, when closing a document in MS Word with alt f4 or control f4, if I’d made changes, I would be asked if I wanted to save the changes before closing. But now it just closes and saves.

Today this was a real nuisance as I’d slightly customised my Christmas letter for an individual, but I hadn’t intended this to change the original letter which still needs to go out to some people. When I closed it though, it didn’t ask if I wanted to save the changes – it just did so!

How in future can I prevent this from happening?

Alison

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: 06 December 2019 02:08
To: JFW List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: New FS Blog: Three Reasons to Use Google’s Webmail Option with JAWS

 

 

 

WordPress.com

 

New post on Freedom Scientific Blog

Three Reasons to Use Google’s Webmail Option with JAWS
by
Elizabeth Whitaker

 

Gmail is a widely-used email service that is used at home,
work, and school. While it can be accessed through a desktop email application
such as Microsoft Outlook, its webmail option provides more versatility.

 

Google’s webmail option provides Gmail users a flexible
alternative for accessing email from computers and mobile devices. A web
browser and Internet connection are all you need to begin sending and receiving
messages.

 

When you access Gmail through this form of internet-based
email, messages are stored on a web server, rather than on your computer or
device. This frees up disk space and memory for other important files. Here are
three reasons to consider choosing Google’s webmail option when accessing Gmail
with JAWS.

 

Access Your Email from Anywhere

 

When using Google’s webmail option, you can access messages
from anywhere on any computer or mobile device. This is especially convenient
if you travel frequently or need to access email between appointments. Because
your email is all on the cloud, you can also search for and respond to messages
quickly and efficiently without accessing a dedicated computer or software.

 

No Additional Software Is Required

 

Webmail doesn’t require the installation of dedicated
software. Simply open your web browser, go to Gmail, and your messages will be
displayed.

 

Access Your Email Using Familiar JAWS and Web Page Navigation Commands

 

Since Google’s webmail is displayed in your web browser, you
can use JAWS Quick Nav keys and other navigation keystrokes when working with
messages. These familiar commands make learning easier.

 

Want to get the most out of accessing Gmail? Check out our
instructional tutorial,
Gmail and JAWS
 today. You’ll learn how to compose a new email, read messages, search
your inbox, and much more.

 

Download the MP4 or stream the MP3, plus use the included
resources to supplement your learning experience.

 

Elizabeth Whitaker
 | December 5, 2019 at 7:38 pm | Tags:


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


moderated Re: Perhaps a Windows update change?

Richard Turner
 

Try switching to the newly named Jaws Scan with the minus key on the keypad.
Or, try it with Narrator instead.



Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2019 7:27 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Perhaps a Windows update change?

I think Windows update made a change
 When I press Windows key plus A for the action center, I see manage notifications button,  tablet mode not checked and collapsed quick action.  However, I can't get to the actions with enter or space bar or tab or arrows. What has changed and what do I need to activate the action center?  If I rout JAWS cursor to PC cursor, then I see location, network, blue tooth, etc.  I have discovered that if I press tab plus right arrow I can then see my options on the action center.  Is this normal?  As usual, I apologize for not being clearer.

--
Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

--

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.


moderated Re: Do you have to go online in order to increase your dropbox storage size?

Edward Green
 

Hi Sieghard,

You get 2TB on Dropbox's first tier payment plan not 1 as with OneDrive and Office 365.

Cheers,

Ed

On 14 Dec 2019, at 15:09, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:

You do and it is of course not free. I believe it is something like $100 a year.
You can get Office 365 for less than that for personal use and in addition to giving you a license for the full Office suite the subscription also includes 1 Tb of OneDrive storage which is what you get with Dropbox if you pay.
OneDrive works much like Dropbox and since I have the Office 365 subscription I certainly don't see any need to pay Dropbox as well. I still have my free account with I think 11 or 12Gb of storage, but only use it from time to time.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2019 5:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Do you have to go online in order to increase your dropbox storage size?

Hi list members, I've forgotten if I have to go online in order to increase my storage size for dropbox. Thank you for any information that you might have concerning this question.






moderated Perhaps a Windows update change?

Maria Campbell
 

I think Windows update made a change
 When I press Windows key plus A for the action center, I see manage notifications button,  tablet mode not checked and collapsed quick     action.  However,
I can't get to the actions with enter or space bar or tab or arrows.  What has changed and what do I need to activate the action center?  If I rout JAWS
cursor to PC cursor, then I see location, network, blue tooth, etc.  I have discovered that if I press tab plus right arrow I can then see my options on the action center.  Is this normal?  As usual, I apologize for not being clearer.

--
Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

--

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.


moderated Re: does a person have to have 2 dropbox accounts?

 

I'd like to add one more thing to what Alan already said about how using different accounts on different devices defeats the purpose of Dropbox which is to store your files under one account and being able to access them there from different devices.
For some time now Dropbox limits free accounts to 3 devices. For most people who have a computer and a smart phone and maybe a tablet or maybe two computers and a smartphone this is enough, but if you need to use it one more devices you would need a paid account. You also need to delete devices by logging in online if you get, for example a new computer. Say you have a computer, a smartphone and a tablet and you have Dropbox set up on those 3 devices. If you now get a new computer or a new phone you first have to log in and delete the old one before you can set up Dropbox on the new device.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2019 5:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: does a person have to have 2 dropbox accounts?

Hi list members, I'd like to know if it is possible to just have 1 dropbox account? I ask this question because I have a dropbox account for my windows pc, and I have another for my iPhone. Isn't there a way to just have 1 account only? Thank you for any information that you might have concerning this question.


moderated Re: Do you have to go online in order to increase your dropbox storage size?

 

You do and it is of course not free. I believe it is something like $100 a year.
You can get Office 365 for less than that for personal use and in addition to giving you a license for the full Office suite the subscription also includes 1 Tb of OneDrive storage which is what you get with Dropbox if you pay.
OneDrive works much like Dropbox and since I have the Office 365 subscription I certainly don't see any need to pay Dropbox as well. I still have my free account with I think 11 or 12Gb of storage, but only use it from time to time.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2019 5:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Do you have to go online in order to increase your dropbox storage size?

Hi list members, I've forgotten if I have to go online in order to increase my storage size for dropbox. Thank you for any information that you might have concerning this question.


moderated Re: does a person have to have 2 dropbox accounts?

 

David,

No, you don't have to have separate Dropbox accounts for different devices. That would sort of defeat the convenience of Dropbox. I have one Dropbox account which gives me access on my iPhone 8 to all the files in my Dropbox folders on my computer. That was the reason I got Dropbox to begin with. Apple's closed file system made the sharing of files between computer and iPhone all but impossible and Dropbox was the primary app at the time that worked with most other apps and Windows so I could share files. I've never regretted using it.

Alan Lemly

On Dec 14, 2019, at 7:36 AM, David Ingram <dingram269@...> wrote:

Hi list members, I'd like to know if it is possible to just have 1 dropbox account? I ask this question because I have a dropbox account for my windows pc, and I have another for my iPhone. Isn't there a way to just have 1 account only? Thank you for any information that you might have concerning this question.



moderated Re: How is one able to hear what one loads in ones system trey: Using Jaws and Windows 10.

Steve Matzura
 

Glad you liked my method and instruction. As you can see from that answer, there is more than one way to accomplish the same thing in Windows. The other answer you received is equally as good and works equally as well. It gets you to the same dialog-like display, just via a different path.


On 12/14/2019 2:24 AM, Angel wrote:

Thank you so much or this most helpful answer.  It, I feel sure, will assist more than I.  To have a smoother computer experience. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How is one able to hear what one loads in ones system trey: Using Jaws and Windows 10.

 

To display the icons in the system tray, press JAWS Key plus F11. Of course, in order to read something, it has to be there. Some programs, while having a presence in the system tray, don't appear because their icons are hidden. Here's how to show or hide them.

 

1. Open Windows Settings by pressing the Windows Key plus I.

2. Type icon and pres the Down Arrow key until you hear "Themes and Related Settings."

3. Tab to the list box and use the Down Arrow until you hear "Task bar notification area," then press ENTER.

4. Press TAB until you hear "Select which icons appear on the task bar," and press ENTER.

5. You are now in a dialog-like view that shows a button for every running program that can put an icon in the system tray. Note, I don't mean the task bar, where programs whose windows are minimized will appear normally, or programs that have been specifically pinned to the task bar.

6. For each program, decide if you want its icon to be present or absent from the system tray, and change the setting by tapping the space bar as is appropriate to your needs. ON means it shows, OFF means it does not show.

7. You can go around this display by pressing the TAB key and make changes as many times as you want to. When you're done, press Alt plus F4 to close the window and prevent further changes.

8. Test your changes. Open the system tray by pressing the JAWS Key plus F11, and move through the visible icons with the Up and/or Down Arrow keys. If you don't like what you find, press the ESCAPE key, then go back to Step 1.

 

Hope this helps.

 

On 12/13/2019 4:11 PM, Angel wrote:

I have another question concerning Jaws and Windows 10.  How does one cause Jaws to read what resides in the system trey.  I have Jaws, for example, in my system trey.  But, I would never know it.  Because, I am not shown what resides in my system trey.  Save three things, volume, network status, and battery strength.  Which came with my system.  I have a few other programs I have loaded in my system trey.  Which I am unable to hear.  When I press Jaws 11.



moderated Re: JFW system tray icons

Steve Matzura
 

I'm nopt even sure it's a Windows problem. I've had phantoms in the system tray that those with sight say they can't see. I wonder if simply restarting JAWS would clear those phantoms.


On 12/13/2019 11:39 PM, Nermin via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi Marty,
 
I would assume that JAWS got stuck and restarted itself at some point, leaving its old icon in the system tray. Press enter on one of the icons. if it’s the “Dead” instance, the icon should clear away. I don’t really know why Windows does not have an automated way of clearing phantom icons on its own.
 
Regards,
Nermin


moderated Do you have to go online in order to increase your dropbox storage size?

David Ingram
 

Hi list members, I've forgotten if I have to go online in order to increase my storage size for dropbox. Thank you for any information that you might have concerning this question.


moderated does a person have to have 2 dropbox accounts?

David Ingram
 

Hi list members, I'd like to know if it is possible to just have 1 dropbox account? I ask this question because I have a dropbox account for my windows pc, and I have another for my iPhone. Isn't there a way to just have 1 account only? Thank you for any information that you might have concerning this question.


moderated Re: table row number

george b <gbmagoo@...>
 

In a web page

Go to system settings with jaws key plus 6 on the number row

Tabe once and you hear users

Arrow once and you hear Web / HTML / PDFs

Arrow right once and you hear the same as above with open on the end

Arrow down to you hear tables and right arrow

Arrow down to you hear \\Tables\Web / HTML / PDFs \Table Presentation Information and then then press space bar and it changes to for all tables

Now quit the system settings and it will ask you if you wish to save the changes and choose yes and that should do it

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of tom x
Sent: December 13, 2019 22:06
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: table row number

 

Thanks for your reply George but cannot locate “internet” under the users heading or anywhere else for that matter.

 

Tables are mentioned under navigation but changing settings here does not seem to make any difference as far as I can tell.

 

Cheers

Tom

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 1:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: table row number

 

Go to system settings with insert/jaws key and 6 on the number row

Choose defalt settings

Tab to you hear users and arrowdown to internet…, I do not remember the entire string but it is the only in the list which starts with interned, hit enter and arrow down to tables and hit enter, and arrown down once to

 Tables… and arrow right once and arrow down once to all

 

Close the system settings and it will ask you to save and choose yes

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of tom x
Sent: December 12, 2019 21:32
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: table row number

 

Hi,

 

Prior to installing the latest Jaws 64 bit update a few days ago, Jaws would read the row position in a web based table as  I arrowed    up the column but since the update, Jaws no longer gives this information.

 

Can someone inform me which settings need to be changed so once more Jaws can give this info?

 

Thanks

 

Tom

 


moderated Re: dropbox 86

netbat66
 

thanks. it worked. i never knew the previous versions were useing the windows file explorer in the desktop drop box folder.
now to get the web page back to the english language. grin
how do i do this when its not in english?

-----Original Message-----
From: Nermin via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 8:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: dropbox 86

Hi Netbat,

maybe Dropbox switched to the new design by accident. Try tabbing a few
times till you land on the settings icon. Press the space bar. There should
be some checkboxes talking about starting the dropbox app, which you need to
uncheck. Then there will be a combo box about opening folders. Set that to
file explorer, and you should be good to go now. Tab to OK and press enter
on that.
All your folders should now open using explorer, rather than the somewhat
cumbersame new design.

Good luck,
Nermin


moderated Re: How is one able to hear what one loads in ones system trey: Using Jaws and Windows 10.

Angel
 

Thank you so much or this most helpful answer.  It, I feel sure, will assist more than I.  To have a smoother computer experience. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How is one able to hear what one loads in ones system trey: Using Jaws and Windows 10.

 

To display the icons in the system tray, press JAWS Key plus F11. Of course, in order to read something, it has to be there. Some programs, while having a presence in the system tray, don't appear because their icons are hidden. Here's how to show or hide them.

 

1. Open Windows Settings by pressing the Windows Key plus I.

2. Type icon and pres the Down Arrow key until you hear "Themes and Related Settings."

3. Tab to the list box and use the Down Arrow until you hear "Task bar notification area," then press ENTER.

4. Press TAB until you hear "Select which icons appear on the task bar," and press ENTER.

5. You are now in a dialog-like view that shows a button for every running program that can put an icon in the system tray. Note, I don't mean the task bar, where programs whose windows are minimized will appear normally, or programs that have been specifically pinned to the task bar.

6. For each program, decide if you want its icon to be present or absent from the system tray, and change the setting by tapping the space bar as is appropriate to your needs. ON means it shows, OFF means it does not show.

7. You can go around this display by pressing the TAB key and make changes as many times as you want to. When you're done, press Alt plus F4 to close the window and prevent further changes.

8. Test your changes. Open the system tray by pressing the JAWS Key plus F11, and move through the visible icons with the Up and/or Down Arrow keys. If you don't like what you find, press the ESCAPE key, then go back to Step 1.

 

Hope this helps.

 

On 12/13/2019 4:11 PM, Angel wrote:

I have another question concerning Jaws and Windows 10.  How does one cause Jaws to read what resides in the system trey.  I have Jaws, for example, in my system trey.  But, I would never know it.  Because, I am not shown what resides in my system trey.  Save three things, volume, network status, and battery strength.  Which came with my system.  I have a few other programs I have loaded in my system trey.  Which I am unable to hear.  When I press Jaws 11.

 

 


moderated Re: table row number

tom x
 

Thanks for your reply George but cannot locate “internet” under the users heading or anywhere else for that matter.

 

Tables are mentioned under navigation but changing settings here does not seem to make any difference as far as I can tell.

 

Cheers

Tom

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 1:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: table row number

 

Go to system settings with insert/jaws key and 6 on the number row

Choose defalt settings

Tab to you hear users and arrowdown to internet…, I do not remember the entire string but it is the only in the list which starts with interned, hit enter and arrow down to tables and hit enter, and arrown down once to

 Tables… and arrow right once and arrow down once to all

 

Close the system settings and it will ask you to save and choose yes

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of tom x
Sent: December 12, 2019 21:32
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: table row number

 

Hi,

 

Prior to installing the latest Jaws 64 bit update a few days ago, Jaws would read the row position in a web based table as  I arrowed    up the column but since the update, Jaws no longer gives this information.

 

Can someone inform me which settings need to be changed so once more Jaws can give this info?

 

Thanks

 

Tom

 


moderated Re: JFW system tray icons

Nermin
 

Hi Marty,
 
I would assume that JAWS got stuck and restarted itself at some point, leaving its old icon in the system tray. Press enter on one of the icons. if it’s the “Dead” instance, the icon should clear away. I don’t really know why Windows does not have an automated way of clearing phantom icons on its own.
 
Regards,
Nermin


moderated Re: dropbox 86

Nermin
 

Hi Netbat,

maybe Dropbox switched to the new design by accident. Try tabbing a few times till you land on the settings icon. Press the space bar. There should be some checkboxes talking about starting the dropbox app, which you need to uncheck. Then there will be a combo box about opening folders. Set that to file explorer, and you should be good to go now. Tab to OK and press enter on that.
All your folders should now open using explorer, rather than the somewhat cumbersame new design.

Good luck,
Nermin


moderated Re: dropbox 86

netbat66
 

i just looked in dropbox on line because some google searches suggested that there is accessibility settings in the privacy settings somewhere but all i have found is the privacy terms and conditions.
i'm useing the desktop dropbox folder with windows 7
and in the public folder it has these options that can't be erased.
new folder view
new folder
new paper doc
new paper templet
new google docs file
new google slides file
new google sheets file
new shortcut
owner (my account name)
sharing settings

it still has the public folder. and until yesterday when i tried to paste a file into it jaws or n v d a didn't say if the file was pasted there or not.
i also found out today that when nothing is speaking i have to open the dropdown menu and close it again because the jaws focus is somewhere else. a screen redraw didn't do anything.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Griffith
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 4:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: dropbox 86

I have never found any accessibility setting for DropBox but frankly have never needed one.

When you make reference to "all the Google crap" it makes me think that you are dealing with DropBox on the web rather than with your DropBox on your computer. I cannot imagine why you would be getting references about google when working with your DropBox folder on your PC.

If this is what you are doing I strongly recommend that you stop this method and use DropBox on your PC.

If you have not already installed the Desktop DropBox for Windows you should do this immediately as it will make life far easier as you will be dealing with, for all intents and purposes, normal windows folders. You can download DropBox for windows from the DropBox website or alternatively www.ninite.com.

In addition once you have DropBox for Windows installed there is no longer a need for a "Public Folder".
Nowadays all of your DropBox files on your computer can be made available via DropBox sharing links unlike in previous incarnations where you had to specify a special "Public" folder for this purpose.
Simply bring up the context menu on any file in your DropBox - again remember not on the website but on your computer, and this will enable you to "Copy DropBox link to clipboard".
Alternatively you could set up a shared folder with another DropBox user by following a share DropBox folder option again on the context menu and again on your windows DropBox sub folder and not initially at least on the website, although you will be redirected to the website as part of the share folder wizard.

Therefore in terms of accessibility, after installing DropBox on your PC, your DropBox folder should appear as a normal File Explorer Window as in any other folder. There should be no difference in accessibility between your local mirror of your DropBox and any other Windows File Explorer window.
Specifically the DropBox folder is I think by default under Users and then Documents on the C drive of your computer but as I have moved my own DropBox folder to a bigger D drive I cannot check for you.

Hope that helps.

David Griffith



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: 13 December 2019 21:43
To: jaws main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: dropbox 86

is there a setting to turn on for accessability?
some searches say there is an option in the privacy settings but i haven't found it in the dropbox folder or on line.
i can paste a file into the public folder but jaws doesn't say anything. it just says all the google crap i care nothing about and wish i could remove them.
i'll never use them.
the one time i found the option to copy a link to the clipboard and sent it to myself and it said the folder was empty.
i am getting no where trying to use the public folder.


moderated JFW system tray icons

Marty Hutchings
 

Hay Guys,  For a while now, I have noticed that I have 2 system tray icons for JAWS on my system tray, but now I have 4 of them.  I also have 2 iCloud icons.  Why would I have duplicates and how do I get rid of the extra icons?  I only have 2 versions of JAWS installed.