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Re: jaws and facebook:

lauren
 

Its not like that one called chitchat or something like that is it?


Re: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available

Dave...
 

How about disabling the UAK. I turned mine off very shortly after beginning
Windows 7 for the first time.

Otherwise, if repeatable, let FS know right away.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Grossoehme" <davegross1@cox.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 06:49
Subject: RE: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available


Good Morning: I see one major problem with this release of Jaws. When you
try and start the computer using Windows7 Professional with Ofice 10 you
can't get past the UAC. It doesn't make any difference whether you have
Jaws set to start automatically or start the program with your hotkey. The
bad thing about this is you don't hear anything but a beep. If you know
what is going on you can press the left arrow key and then the enter key or
the spacebar before Jaws can start. I wasn't sure what was going on so I
found a pair of eyes to check it out.
Your Friend Dave


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On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available

I will probably be able to install it on a new test PC soon. Win7 Enterprise
(joined to a Microsoft network domain), 64 bit with Office 2010. ATI video
card. This is in an environment where there has been a history of
significant problems with Outlook 2003, 2007 and 2010 (connected to an
Exchange server) with Windows 7. The last time JAWS worked well was with
Windows XP, Office 2003 and JAWS 8.


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Re: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available

dave grossoehme
 

Good Morning: I see one major problem with this release of Jaws. When you
try and start the computer using Windows7 Professional with Ofice 10 you
can't get past the UAC. It doesn't make any difference whether you have
Jaws set to start automatically or start the program with your hotkey. The
bad thing about this is you don't hear anything but a beep. If you know
what is going on you can press the left arrow key and then the enter key or
the spacebar before Jaws can start. I wasn't sure what was going on so I
found a pair of eyes to check it out.
Your Friend Dave

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available

I will probably be able to install it on a new test PC soon. Win7 Enterprise
(joined to a Microsoft network domain), 64 bit with Office 2010. ATI video
card. This is in an environment where there has been a history of
significant problems with Outlook 2003, 2007 and 2010 (connected to an
Exchange server) with Windows 7. The last time JAWS worked well was with
Windows XP, Office 2003 and JAWS 8.


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Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Of course it's myopic. Depriving sighted people of their easy access
makes about as much sense as asking us to give up the advances of the
past 30 years, and go back to using typewriters. The open market has
been blind folks' best friend, and open market PC's need screens in
order to sell.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

At 05:52 PM 4/25/2012, Brandon Said:

The only rebuttal sighted people were able to come up with was:
"But I like my screen..."
And you like your speech output. Do sighted people need it? Not really.
I honestly don't know what your point is here.

If I was Spock I'd say there was a serious problem with putting screens
on every computer!
You're part of a small minority who may not need a screen most of the
time. But lucky for the sighted majority, you aren't making decisions
that affect computing trends.

And it's because of screens that we don't have as much accessibility.
The screen is the source of most computer evils! :O :P
No, inattention to or ignorance of accessibility concerns on the part of
software developers cause our problems. Sorry for a bad pun, but I think
your thinking on this is miopic.


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Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Amen! My monitor has helped get me out of trouble a time or two. I
can't see it, but am glad it's there!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cristobal
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:00 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Is Research It really necessary?

Not to mention those times where you're working on an important document
and for whatever reason Jaws isn't responding or there's some sort of
other issue with the computer where Narrator or NVDA isn't goiing to
help and just randomly closing windows and pressing buttons is not what
you want to do.
My old Toshiba laptop's screen gave out about 2 weeks before I was able
to get my new Windows 7 system and instead of forking out the $200.00 or
so I was quoted to replace the screen, I went without the screen. It
worked fine since I have no use for it, but there were times where my
sighted wife was pressed up against the laptop screen with a flash light
trying to make out whatever error message or some other diagnostic text
she could. There were some stressful times in deed and even though I in
theory didn't need the screen, it sure is helpful to have one for just
those occasions.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Soronel,

I'm skeptical that there will ever be such a machine. Point is, that the
mere fact of portability means that a sighted user will want to have
some way to see the display away from the desk, and not having one just
makes this a portable keyboard with a processor and memory -- and
useless to the majority of computer purchasers.

Now if there was a transmitter built in that would convert any display
or glass surface within 5 feet of the device into a display, well then
we have something phenomenal. Just think -- I'm standing near a
storefront, and want to look up something. I face the window glass, and
the glass becomes opaque enough to display what the handheld
keyboard/computer is showing. Hey, a person wearing eyeglasses could
have the image showing on the inside of their lens. What a concept, and
that makes sense now.

Not very useful to us, but perhaps the next logical step in portable
computers. The cloud connects to the device and the image shows on a
nearby surface.

Apple, are you listening? Steve Jobs is talking to you from the cloud,
and saying "Yes, Farfar has a great idea!"

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 13:36
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


I want to get rid of the screen for reasons of weight far more than
reasons of battery life at this point. Adding more batteries or
turning the screen down don't really solve that problem.

I am actually somewhat surprised that there doesn't seem to be a thin
battery powered computer with built-in keyboard that the manufacturer
expects to be used with an external display, which would basically be
a laptop without a screen.

Unfortunately, given how tablets seem to be the push of the future I
do not expect portable accessibility to improve over the near to
medium term.

On 4/25/12, Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
<dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Brandon,

w/r your question on buying a laptop without a screen...if you are
posing
a

serious question and not just toying with Google, it occurs to me that
a
laptop without a screen would be one without a cover. If you're
wanting to
cut down on power consumption you do have the alternative to turn down
the
brightness, turn off Wi-Fi, and other things like Bluetooth. And if
you
want

longer operation, you can with some models like Dell purchase battery
packs

with more cells for greater capacity, and with Dell, even additional
battery

"slices" to insert/affix to increase even more. Not all models,
however.

The Dell Latitude D6xx series have a media slot that you can use for a
CD/DVD or remove it and add another battery. The E6520 I'm using has a
slice

battery you can connect to the docking area for additional life.

I can get over 10 hours with Wi-Fi and normal screen brightness with
the
9-cell battery and the additional slice. Enough for a full day's work
while

flying to Europe.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:40
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


Hello,
Google can answer just about any question if you type it into the
search
box. It might not be by Google, but the results will bring up the best
results.
Just click on the first or second result and you have it!
Example:
Why is the sky blue?
http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/sky_blue.html
How do you say dance in Italian
http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en&q=dance&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sl=e
n&tl
=it&sa=X&ei=jDGYT84GxJmJAvnk7NMP&ved=0CCoQrgYwAA#

The only question I haven't been able to find an answer to is:
Can I buy a laptop without a screen

For some reason no one seems to be asking that question anywhere in
the
world...
And if that's a dumb question:
What color are Dorothy's red shoes
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_color_were_Dorothy's_slippers_in_'The_Won
derf
ul_Wizard_of_Oz'

So any research function is mitigated by Google's superior searching
power.
What's the meaning of life?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life
4+9-100000000*2.48485921+0.000001*3^5(2*5.09876)-(5.0129)
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=837&bih=443&q=4%2B9-100000000*2.
4848
5921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&oq=4%2B9-100
0000
00*2.48485921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&aq=
f&aq
i=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=serp.3...20649.20838.0.21686.2.2.0.0.0.0.183.342.0j
2.2.
0.Q6z3iZmw3jw

Sooo, unless research it is better than Google calculator or Microsoft
calculator, I think it's totally useless. I've never found a need to
use
it.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar,Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:44 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Adrian,

Bravo! And I see that Chris Smart made you famous (or infamous) in
the
eyes
of FS. Amazing what tools we have out there, just waiting for someone
dedicated to discover, organize, and share. Thanks. I may have to
switch
my
default home page to Google instead of Yahoo.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 08:14
Subject: Is Research It really necessary?


I recently came across a list of Google search suggestions that ought
to
save JAWS users from getting agitated every time Research It breaks
down,
as
it invariably does. Below is a list of search functions that I've just
tested. I am based in the US, so some suggestions will be different
for
versions of Google in other countries. For example, we in the US will
need
to add a state or country after the place name "London," but users of
Google.co.uk won't when searching for the capital. Unlike Research It,
google isn't US-centric.

1. To find the weather in a particular location, type the city's name
followed by the word "weather." Thus:

san francisco weather

Note. I avoid using uppercase when doing Google searches.

the first Google result lists today's conditions and those for the
days
upcoming.

Here are the terms I entered to find out the weather in Prague, Czech
Republic:

prague czech weather

2. Time works in much the same way. Type the location followed by the
word
"time" (not in quotations). Thus:

san francisco time

3. For a word's definition, type the word "definition" followed by a
colon
and immediately by the word in question. Thus:

definition:arbitrary

An advantage google has is that if you misspell a word, it
automatically
offers a correction.

4. For currency conversion, the crucial word is "in." Beyond that,
Google
is
flexible. I obtained conversions for the following search terms:

$1 in sterling

1 eur in usd

These are just two examples.

5. Google will perform math operations, thus saving you from having to
open
a calculator. The article gave as an example a sine problem. For my
test,
I
typed the following in the search field:

(2+3)*5

Google promptly reported the correct answer, 25.

6. As for sports, the article's author is based in India, and the
examples
he gave involved cricket. Through a bit of tweaking, I tested Google's
ability to produce baseball results. The terms

baseball scores

produced all of yesterday's results. It's morning here, so today's
games
haven't been played.

Note. The list of results I got begins with one result from Monday,
April
23. A glitch, but a tiny one.

7. I know from past experience that entering just the tracking number
of a
UPS shipment in the google search field will provide the information I
need,
although I add "ups" as a second term to make sure.

This list is hardly exhaustive. Other simple searches for other
functions
can be interpolated from these examples.

Conclusion, and relevancy to this JAWS list: FS should divert its
resources
from Research It to applications needed for the workplace.
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Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Karen Hughes <khughes8@...>
 

this is a good point. it is buyer beware. how can we prevent this from happening. there must be a way to protect ourselves. karen

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution


You wanna talk about spending money on upgrades and seemingly not
getting what I thought I'd paid for? Let's go back to Office 97, shall
we? In fact, let's go back to Windows XP and the egregious upgrade
path that finally led us to Windows 7, after a trip through Vista
Hell. Let's talk about an upgrade fee, not a new product purchase fee,
but an upgrade fee which was five times the original cost of the
product when I bought it when I wanted to upgrade my FTP server to a
version I found out to be totally and completely inaccessible? JAWS is
not the only thing in the world where you pays yer money and you takes
yer chances.

Bash responsibly.

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:49:29 -0400, you wrote:

Dave Johnston, I did not do research on comparison on programs because I
didn't know it was expected of me. nor do I think it is my job. if anyone
wants to know the difference between programs they have computers and they
can check it out themselves. there have been several emails by different
folks complaining about problems with the jaws upgrades. I think it is sad
that blind people have spent their money on these upgrades for jaws and
disappointed with bad upgrades. in my mind if you purchase an upgrade it
should work and be an improved version. it should not be with problems and
be of lesser quality. it has just left me to scratch my head and wonder who
is stirring the ship. it is a free country and we are left to check out the
competition as to what else is out there good luck with your research, Karen


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To: "JFW Mailing List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution


Karen,

You've been a staunch advocate of not updating JAWS and seeking out the
alternatives that are available at no cost, such as NVDA.

After your recent suggestion, I've asked politely if you would highlight
the comparisons between JAWS and NVDA (we know about the price difference)
and give us some perspective, from your experience, as to why it would
make sense to not continue to purchase JAWS upgrades.

Looking back at past messages, I've noticed that you occasionally post in
a sort of "shoot and run" to suggest your opinions on no-cost or low-cost
alternatives to JAWS and FS, but I have failed to see any substantive
information to support your point of view in follow-up messages.

So I throw down the gauntlet, so to speak and ask for you to give us
something to "chew on" with regard using NVDA in lieu of JAWS in the
Enterprise environment.

I am sincerely interested. Thanks!

Dave Carlson
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Re: highlighted text

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Jean:
Dave is correct. The sighted world will often refer to something that is in yellow as being highlighted. Nevertheless, I am going to go out on a limb here because what has happened to you has happened to me too.
In Word 2003 there is an obscure function called highlighting which produces a color change but, in fact, isn't, in the world of Word, a font color change at all.
Do this:
Press ALT.
Then press control plus tap several times -- until JAWS says "display for review"
This is the tool bar that lets you "accept" and "reject" text. I know this seems like an unlikely place for "highlighting," but trust me this far.
Now, hit tab about 7 times (shift plus tab is closer, but I think it helps just to hear all the options on this tool bar.
If you get past "comments," the tool bar item you want is next.
This tool bar item is, in fact, called "highlighting."
Use down arrow. The first option is "none." Other options include "yellow," "red," and "green."
Now, you know where the culprit is, how do you get rid of the "highlighting?"
Remember, this is technically not a font change, so control plus d won't work.
As Dave said, use the scheme "Colors" and identify the text that is in a different color. Usually, it is "yellow, but as you saw, it could be green or red too.
Once it is "selected," go into the tool bar item I mentioned and choose "none."
That will solve your problem. No more highlighting!
Now, you ask, "Do I have to read every line to find this "highlighted" text."
Actually, you can search for it.
Press control plus f.
Make sure nothing is in the search box. Press back space just to be sure.
Then, tab forward until you hear "more." Hit the space bar.
Now, keep tabbing until you hear "format."
This lets you search for all sorts of formatting stuff, including, guess what, "highlighting"
Hit down arrow until you hear "highlighting."
Complete the search. That should put you on the proper text. Double check with the cursor and the "colors" scheme, as mentioned above.
Again, as mentioned above, "select" the text and, from the tool bar item, select "none."
Repeat the find operation with shift plus F-4 to find other occurrences.
Do not feel bad that you didn't know about this "highlighting" feature. As you can see from the above, it is pretty obscure.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:08 PM
To: JFW list
Subject: highlighted text

Maybe someone here can shed some light on this problem. I'm stumped.

I've recently created two documents for a job I am training on. I was just told that in each case, some of the text remained highlighted. I'm not sure what that really means or how it got that way or, better yet, how to identify and remove it. I've never had JAWS tell me highlighted text other than when I select it for copy and paste, or to look up a specific word, etc. This is with Word 2003, but note that the proprietary software that runs in with Word might be affecting this problem. But is there a way to have Jaws identify highlighted text in a Word document? I gather this is some kind of visual formatting that stays with the text. I do have Jaws set to read text and attributes.

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Re: JAWs and chating on Facebook...

Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@...>
 

You may either connect your Skype to Facebook or you may use m.facebook.com.

Hope that helps.
Angela from Italy.

Il 26/04/2012 00:08, jeff worthington ha scritto:
Hello all,
I have some questions about JAWS and facebook and if they were asked
befor I'm sorry. First, is there a way to chat on facebook with jaws?
I try but It seems impossable as I can't see the names of who is on
the chat and then I don't know when they answer me. With the old
facebook from a while ago I used to be able to chat but now they seem
to have made it impossable. Also, if not on the facebook page, is
there any way at all to be able to chat with my facebook friends?
Thanks
Jeff Worthington

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Re: highlighted text

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

Thanks Dave,

I'll pass that along and inquire further.

Jean

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Subject: Re: highlighted text


Jean,

Ask them to be more specific. Some people say text if highlighted when it's
bold, or underlined, or italicized. Some call it highlighted when it's a
different color, or superscripted. Others call it correctly when the
background behind the text is different either in shading or color.

You should be able to detect highlighted text with colors and attributes
turned on.

I'm not on 2003 any more, but you may also want to go to Tools/Options and
on the edit page (I think) there are several checkboxes where you can have
hidden characters show, and highlighting may be there.

I'm rambling now, but there may also be something in the Settings Center for
JAWS under text where you need to turn on detecting highlights -- or is it
the Quick setting dialog?

Well, you have something to chew on now.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "JFW list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 21:08
Subject: highlighted text


Maybe someone here can shed some light on this problem. I'm stumped.

I've recently created two documents for a job I am training on. I was just
told that in each case, some of the text remained highlighted. I'm not sure
what that really means or how it got that way or, better yet, how to
identify and remove it. I've never had JAWS tell me highlighted text other
than when I select it for copy and paste, or to look up a specific word,
etc. This is with Word 2003, but note that the proprietary software that
runs in with Word might be affecting this problem. But is there a way to
have Jaws identify highlighted text in a Word document? I gather this is
some kind of visual formatting that stays with the text. I do have Jaws set
to read text and attributes.

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Re: application specific changes

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

Thanks Adrian,

I'll take a look at this again, but right now I need a break from this
beast. I bet you're right, and I'll give it a try tomorrow morning.

Jean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:24 AM
Subject: RE: application specific changes


Jean,

It's late and I can't double-check what I'm about to suggest. However, FS
made permanent punctuation settings more complex at some point, possibly in
JAWS 11. The only way is to create a voice profile, as follows.

Insert-j, which lands you on options. Press enter.

Arrow down once to "Voices." Press enter.

The first choice here is "Voice adjustment." Press enter.

From here, JAWS takes you through the creation of a voice profile, in which
you can identify the application, choose punctuation and more. Actually, if
you don't intend the profile to be global, you may need to open this dialog
while in the application.

Once you have created a profile, you can make changes to it by returning to
voices, but this time arrowing down once to "Select a voice profile."

I hope this is clear enough to get you started. Please post again if this is
unclear, and I'll try to give better details tomorrow.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:42 PM
To: JFW list
Subject: application specific changes

Okay. Using Jaws 11. I've had to downgrade for some older compatibility.
I can't find the old Global settings where you can save the amount of
punctuation that is announced for a given application. It says punctuation
controlled by Jaws, but where? In older versions it was under Jaws, Voices,
Global settings, and then you chose the application either default of the
one you had focus in. I can't find it.

Jean
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Re: highlighted text

Dave...
 

Jean,

Ask them to be more specific. Some people say text if highlighted when it's
bold, or underlined, or italicized. Some call it highlighted when it's a
different color, or superscripted. Others call it correctly when the
background behind the text is different either in shading or color.

You should be able to detect highlighted text with colors and attributes
turned on.

I'm not on 2003 any more, but you may also want to go to Tools/Options and
on the edit page (I think) there are several checkboxes where you can have
hidden characters show, and highlighting may be there.

I'm rambling now, but there may also be something in the Settings Center for
JAWS under text where you need to turn on detecting highlights -- or is it
the Quick setting dialog?

Well, you have something to chew on now.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "JFW list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 21:08
Subject: highlighted text


Maybe someone here can shed some light on this problem. I'm stumped.

I've recently created two documents for a job I am training on. I was just
told that in each case, some of the text remained highlighted. I'm not sure
what that really means or how it got that way or, better yet, how to
identify and remove it. I've never had JAWS tell me highlighted text other
than when I select it for copy and paste, or to look up a specific word,
etc. This is with Word 2003, but note that the proprietary software that
runs in with Word might be affecting this problem. But is there a way to
have Jaws identify highlighted text in a Word document? I gather this is
some kind of visual formatting that stays with the text. I do have Jaws set
to read text and attributes.

Jean
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Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

Maybe someone here can shed some light on this problem. I'm stumped.

I've recently created two documents for a job I am training on. I was just told that in each case, some of the text remained highlighted. I'm not sure what that really means or how it got that way or, better yet, how to identify and remove it. I've never had JAWS tell me highlighted text other than when I select it for copy and paste, or to look up a specific word, etc. This is with Word 2003, but note that the proprietary software that runs in with Word might be affecting this problem. But is there a way to have Jaws identify highlighted text in a Word document? I gather this is some kind of visual formatting that stays with the text. I do have Jaws set to read text and attributes.

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Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

At 10:51 PM 4/25/2012, you wrote:
Hello, Most sighted people I've interacted with are quite inefficient at both browsing websites, reading, navigating through the menus on the computer, typing and processing the directions on a page...
Brandon, don't forget that we must know a lot more about our computers, Windows, etc. than most sighted users, simply to get things done. Most sighted people I know have very little idea what's going on with their computers, but they seem to do just fine because the user interface is so intuitive visually. A lot of us blind folks know more about the inner workings of things, because we simply must know these things to get anything done.

Ask a sighted person about a dialog box or edit field and they probably won't have any idea what you're talking about, because they simply don't need to know that stuff to accomplish basic tasks.

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Re: jaws and facebook:

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Thanks and it works with JAWS?

On 4/25/12, Kenny <p.wildcat1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jeff Yes You need to download the facebook messenger app.
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Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Dave...
 

Brandon,

Your speed in using a computer is based largely on the amount of dedicated
effort and focus you put into using it. There are sighted computer users
with a screen who could easily outclass you, so those comparisons you make
are irrelevant.

I'm talking about dependencies. People with sight will use the easiest means
to gather information, regardless of whether it's efficient or not. So the
screen is their means of access; speech and Braille are ours. I know -- I
used to have fully functional sight.

To put money into a "no screen" computer to be marketed to the masses will
be an investment that I will never make.

BTW on the HP computer, you can disable the touchpad/mouse in the BIOS
setup. But it isn't accessible to us, so a screen is necessary to have
someone handle that task. Like it or not, there are just some things we
cannot do with the current technology.

Continue to rail against the stoicism of the world, and you will either dull
your weapons or rise above it and walk with kings.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 19:51
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


Hello,
Most sighted people I've interacted with are quite inefficient at both
browsing websites, reading, navigating through the menus on the computer,
typing and processing the directions on a page...
I'm sure part of it has to deal with the fact most of my friends aren’t
computer programmers, but most people would rather click on the little box
on the top right corner of their application that half of them can hardly
see to change from one window to another. I can hit alt tab twice and start
typing right away where as the sighted person would have to move their hand
from the mouse to the keyboard, get oriented and start typing. I do grant
that sight is really amazing at getting a view of something without all the
details and reading headings very fast, but a competent Jaws user can
navigate an accessible webpage as fast if not faster than a sighted person,
especially if they know what they are looking for. (Sighted people often
have the capability, but they would rather use their mouse instead of
keyboard).
In reading large documents or webpages though, there is no sighted person I
know that can thoroughly read 500+ words a minute for an hour or two.
With speech output you can probably get a device with the functionality of a
computer into something that can fit into your pocket. I have very little
understanding of computer hardware, so I'm not sure how wise it would be for
me to build my own computer let alone sell them...
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120416155558AAYamLO
Claims that the screen is around $200 and that is fore "a little netbook".
The larger laptops have more expensive screens.
I was on the phone for about 6 hours over a week long with HP trying to
permanently disable my touchpad and the conclusion was that without changing
the fundamental programming structure of my computer, there was no way to
uninstall, disable or otherwise incapacitate my touchpad permanently. I'm
not sure if HP would be able to assist me in removing my screen if they
couldn't remove my touchpad.
I have constantly seen people who are totally deaf and blind to the world
around them when using a phone with the screen. I have a small amount of
vision and I'm able to navigate perfectly fine with ear buds in and my cane
in one hand while operating my PDA with the other. I'm also able to
constantly multitask with very little effort while I'm listening to a large
block of text.
I'm sure if the sighted community was able to use and fully enjoy the
benefits of what we use, they would find that audio has many more benefits
than visual computer navigation and use. I do think that using sight for
some things is necessary and important, but not enough to warrant every
laptop to have a screen... People often ask me if I have special hearing or
something. I tell them no, I actually have mediocre ears, I just use them.
It would be interesting to officially compare a sighted person's speed in
navigating and using a computer with sight and a mouse to a blind person's
navigation with keyboard and speakers. I'm sure the results would be
enlightening to say the least.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar,Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Brandon,

I'm afraid that you sound like you have tunnel vision. Why would anyone with
eyesight give up having a screen? It's impractical. That's the most
efficient method they have for receiving information from the computer, via
their eyes.

Constraining them to a non-visual output format similar to what we use is
just butting your head against common sense.

Of course I wouldn't disagree that a laptop without a display would be
lighter weight, less energy-consuming, and simpler, but the market for that
device would be prohibitively small.

Why not just purchase a cheap laptop yourself and remove the cover/display?
I'm sure they can be removed somehow.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 14:52
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


Hello,
The Human wear products and FS products are not laptops by any stretch of
the imagination.
Perhaps when you can download programs and drivers on the cloud then run
them on those note-takers you can call them Laptops. But frankly I only get
a fraction of the functionality I get from a laptop on any Note taker.
Perhaps a phone will be better, but again, it only has 2 gigs of ram if that
and I really like my speed.
My screen costs a huge amount, adds to the weight and requires all kinds of
stuff that I just don't want to give.
I once gave a speech on how useless and how many negative things happen when
you have a computer screen, including the fact that so many people get
tendinitis from using the mouse and not moving their hands around the
keyboard like we do.
The only rebuttal sighted people were able to come up with was: "But I like
my screen..."
If I was Spock I'd say there was a serious problem with putting screens on
every computer!
And it's because of screens that we don't have as much accessibility. The
screen is the source of most computer evils! :O :P
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Cristobal
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 2:00 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Is Research It really necessary?

Not to mention those times where you're working on an important document and
for whatever reason Jaws isn't responding or there's some sort of other
issue with the computer where Narrator or NVDA isn't goiing to help and just
randomly closing windows and pressing buttons is not what you want to do.
My old Toshiba laptop's screen gave out about 2 weeks before I was able to
get my new Windows 7 system and instead of forking out the $200.00 or so I
was quoted to replace the screen, I went without the screen. It worked fine
since I have no use for it, but there were times where my sighted wife was
pressed up against the laptop screen with a flash light trying to make out
whatever error message or some other diagnostic text she could. There were
some stressful times in deed and even though I in theory didn't need the
screen, it sure is helpful to have one for just those occasions.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Soronel,

I'm skeptical that there will ever be such a machine. Point is, that the
mere fact of portability means that a sighted user will want to have some
way to see the display away from the desk, and not having one just makes
this a portable keyboard with a processor and memory -- and useless to the
majority of computer purchasers.

Now if there was a transmitter built in that would convert any display or
glass surface within 5 feet of the device into a display, well then we have
something phenomenal. Just think -- I'm standing near a storefront, and want
to look up something. I face the window glass, and the glass becomes opaque
enough to display what the handheld keyboard/computer is showing. Hey, a
person wearing eyeglasses could have the image showing on the inside of
their lens. What a concept, and that makes sense now.

Not very useful to us, but perhaps the next logical step in portable
computers. The cloud connects to the device and the image shows on a nearby
surface.

Apple, are you listening? Steve Jobs is talking to you from the cloud, and
saying "Yes, Farfar has a great idea!"

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 13:36
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


I want to get rid of the screen for reasons of weight far more than
reasons of battery life at this point. Adding more batteries or
turning the screen down don't really solve that problem.

I am actually somewhat surprised that there doesn't seem to be a thin
battery powered computer with built-in keyboard that the manufacturer
expects to be used with an external display, which would basically be
a laptop without a screen.

Unfortunately, given how tablets seem to be the push of the future I
do not expect portable accessibility to improve over the near to
medium term.

On 4/25/12, Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
<dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Brandon,

w/r your question on buying a laptop without a screen...if you are posing
a

serious question and not just toying with Google, it occurs to me that a
laptop without a screen would be one without a cover. If you're wanting to
cut down on power consumption you do have the alternative to turn down the
brightness, turn off Wi-Fi, and other things like Bluetooth. And if you
want

longer operation, you can with some models like Dell purchase battery
packs

with more cells for greater capacity, and with Dell, even additional
battery

"slices" to insert/affix to increase even more. Not all models, however.

The Dell Latitude D6xx series have a media slot that you can use for a
CD/DVD or remove it and add another battery. The E6520 I'm using has a
slice

battery you can connect to the docking area for additional life.

I can get over 10 hours with Wi-Fi and normal screen brightness with the
9-cell battery and the additional slice. Enough for a full day's work
while

flying to Europe.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:40
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


Hello,
Google can answer just about any question if you type it into the search
box. It might not be by Google, but the results will bring up the best
results.
Just click on the first or second result and you have it!
Example:
Why is the sky blue?
http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/sky_blue.html
How do you say dance in Italian
http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en&q=dance&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sl=en&tl
=it&sa=X&ei=jDGYT84GxJmJAvnk7NMP&ved=0CCoQrgYwAA#

The only question I haven't been able to find an answer to is:
Can I buy a laptop without a screen

For some reason no one seems to be asking that question anywhere in the
world...
And if that's a dumb question:
What color are Dorothy's red shoes
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_color_were_Dorothy's_slippers_in_'The_Wonderf
ul_Wizard_of_Oz'

So any research function is mitigated by Google's superior searching
power.
What's the meaning of life?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life
4+9-100000000*2.48485921+0.000001*3^5(2*5.09876)-(5.0129)
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=837&bih=443&q=4%2B9-100000000*2.4848
5921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&oq=4%2B9-1000000
00*2.48485921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&aq=f&aq
i=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=serp.3...20649.20838.0.21686.2.2.0.0.0.0.183.342.0j2.2.
0.Q6z3iZmw3jw

Sooo, unless research it is better than Google calculator or Microsoft
calculator, I think it's totally useless. I've never found a need to use
it.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar,Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:44 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Adrian,

Bravo! And I see that Chris Smart made you famous (or infamous) in the
eyes
of FS. Amazing what tools we have out there, just waiting for someone
dedicated to discover, organize, and share. Thanks. I may have to switch
my
default home page to Google instead of Yahoo.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 08:14
Subject: Is Research It really necessary?


I recently came across a list of Google search suggestions that ought to
save JAWS users from getting agitated every time Research It breaks down,
as
it invariably does. Below is a list of search functions that I've just
tested. I am based in the US, so some suggestions will be different for
versions of Google in other countries. For example, we in the US will need
to add a state or country after the place name "London," but users of
Google.co.uk won't when searching for the capital. Unlike Research It,
google isn't US-centric.

1. To find the weather in a particular location, type the city's name
followed by the word "weather." Thus:

san francisco weather

Note. I avoid using uppercase when doing Google searches.

the first Google result lists today's conditions and those for the days
upcoming.

Here are the terms I entered to find out the weather in Prague, Czech
Republic:

prague czech weather

2. Time works in much the same way. Type the location followed by the word
"time" (not in quotations). Thus:

san francisco time

3. For a word's definition, type the word "definition" followed by a colon
and immediately by the word in question. Thus:

definition:arbitrary

An advantage google has is that if you misspell a word, it automatically
offers a correction.

4. For currency conversion, the crucial word is "in." Beyond that, Google
is
flexible. I obtained conversions for the following search terms:

$1 in sterling

1 eur in usd

These are just two examples.

5. Google will perform math operations, thus saving you from having to
open
a calculator. The article gave as an example a sine problem. For my test,
I
typed the following in the search field:

(2+3)*5

Google promptly reported the correct answer, 25.

6. As for sports, the article's author is based in India, and the examples
he gave involved cricket. Through a bit of tweaking, I tested Google's
ability to produce baseball results. The terms

baseball scores

produced all of yesterday's results. It's morning here, so today's games
haven't been played.

Note. The list of results I got begins with one result from Monday, April
23. A glitch, but a tiny one.

7. I know from past experience that entering just the tracking number of a
UPS shipment in the google search field will provide the information I
need,
although I add "ups" as a second term to make sure.

This list is hardly exhaustive. Other simple searches for other functions
can be interpolated from these examples.

Conclusion, and relevancy to this JAWS list: FS should divert its
resources
from Research It to applications needed for the workplace.
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Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonboy13@...>
 

Hello,
Most sighted people I've interacted with are quite inefficient at both browsing websites, reading, navigating through the menus on the computer, typing and processing the directions on a page...
I'm sure part of it has to deal with the fact most of my friends aren’t computer programmers, but most people would rather click on the little box on the top right corner of their application that half of them can hardly see to change from one window to another. I can hit alt tab twice and start typing right away where as the sighted person would have to move their hand from the mouse to the keyboard, get oriented and start typing. I do grant that sight is really amazing at getting a view of something without all the details and reading headings very fast, but a competent Jaws user can navigate an accessible webpage as fast if not faster than a sighted person, especially if they know what they are looking for. (Sighted people often have the capability, but they would rather use their mouse instead of keyboard).
In reading large documents or webpages though, there is no sighted person I know that can thoroughly read 500+ words a minute for an hour or two.
With speech output you can probably get a device with the functionality of a computer into something that can fit into your pocket. I have very little understanding of computer hardware, so I'm not sure how wise it would be for me to build my own computer let alone sell them...
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120416155558AAYamLO
Claims that the screen is around $200 and that is fore "a little netbook".
The larger laptops have more expensive screens.
I was on the phone for about 6 hours over a week long with HP trying to permanently disable my touchpad and the conclusion was that without changing the fundamental programming structure of my computer, there was no way to uninstall, disable or otherwise incapacitate my touchpad permanently. I'm not sure if HP would be able to assist me in removing my screen if they couldn't remove my touchpad.
I have constantly seen people who are totally deaf and blind to the world around them when using a phone with the screen. I have a small amount of vision and I'm able to navigate perfectly fine with ear buds in and my cane in one hand while operating my PDA with the other. I'm also able to constantly multitask with very little effort while I'm listening to a large block of text.
I'm sure if the sighted community was able to use and fully enjoy the benefits of what we use, they would find that audio has many more benefits than visual computer navigation and use. I do think that using sight for some things is necessary and important, but not enough to warrant every laptop to have a screen... People often ask me if I have special hearing or something. I tell them no, I actually have mediocre ears, I just use them.
It would be interesting to officially compare a sighted person's speed in navigating and using a computer with sight and a mouse to a blind person's navigation with keyboard and speakers. I'm sure the results would be enlightening to say the least.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar,Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Brandon,

I'm afraid that you sound like you have tunnel vision. Why would anyone with
eyesight give up having a screen? It's impractical. That's the most
efficient method they have for receiving information from the computer, via
their eyes.

Constraining them to a non-visual output format similar to what we use is
just butting your head against common sense.

Of course I wouldn't disagree that a laptop without a display would be
lighter weight, less energy-consuming, and simpler, but the market for that
device would be prohibitively small.

Why not just purchase a cheap laptop yourself and remove the cover/display?
I'm sure they can be removed somehow.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 14:52
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


Hello,
The Human wear products and FS products are not laptops by any stretch of
the imagination.
Perhaps when you can download programs and drivers on the cloud then run
them on those note-takers you can call them Laptops. But frankly I only get
a fraction of the functionality I get from a laptop on any Note taker.
Perhaps a phone will be better, but again, it only has 2 gigs of ram if that
and I really like my speed.
My screen costs a huge amount, adds to the weight and requires all kinds of
stuff that I just don't want to give.
I once gave a speech on how useless and how many negative things happen when
you have a computer screen, including the fact that so many people get
tendinitis from using the mouse and not moving their hands around the
keyboard like we do.
The only rebuttal sighted people were able to come up with was: "But I like
my screen..."
If I was Spock I'd say there was a serious problem with putting screens on
every computer!
And it's because of screens that we don't have as much accessibility. The
screen is the source of most computer evils! :O :P
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Cristobal
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 2:00 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Is Research It really necessary?

Not to mention those times where you're working on an important document and
for whatever reason Jaws isn't responding or there's some sort of other
issue with the computer where Narrator or NVDA isn't goiing to help and just
randomly closing windows and pressing buttons is not what you want to do.
My old Toshiba laptop's screen gave out about 2 weeks before I was able to
get my new Windows 7 system and instead of forking out the $200.00 or so I
was quoted to replace the screen, I went without the screen. It worked fine
since I have no use for it, but there were times where my sighted wife was
pressed up against the laptop screen with a flash light trying to make out
whatever error message or some other diagnostic text she could. There were
some stressful times in deed and even though I in theory didn't need the
screen, it sure is helpful to have one for just those occasions.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Soronel,

I'm skeptical that there will ever be such a machine. Point is, that the
mere fact of portability means that a sighted user will want to have some
way to see the display away from the desk, and not having one just makes
this a portable keyboard with a processor and memory -- and useless to the
majority of computer purchasers.

Now if there was a transmitter built in that would convert any display or
glass surface within 5 feet of the device into a display, well then we have
something phenomenal. Just think -- I'm standing near a storefront, and want
to look up something. I face the window glass, and the glass becomes opaque
enough to display what the handheld keyboard/computer is showing. Hey, a
person wearing eyeglasses could have the image showing on the inside of
their lens. What a concept, and that makes sense now.

Not very useful to us, but perhaps the next logical step in portable
computers. The cloud connects to the device and the image shows on a nearby
surface.

Apple, are you listening? Steve Jobs is talking to you from the cloud, and
saying "Yes, Farfar has a great idea!"

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 13:36
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


I want to get rid of the screen for reasons of weight far more than
reasons of battery life at this point. Adding more batteries or
turning the screen down don't really solve that problem.

I am actually somewhat surprised that there doesn't seem to be a thin
battery powered computer with built-in keyboard that the manufacturer
expects to be used with an external display, which would basically be
a laptop without a screen.

Unfortunately, given how tablets seem to be the push of the future I
do not expect portable accessibility to improve over the near to
medium term.

On 4/25/12, Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
<dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Brandon,

w/r your question on buying a laptop without a screen...if you are posing
a

serious question and not just toying with Google, it occurs to me that a
laptop without a screen would be one without a cover. If you're wanting to
cut down on power consumption you do have the alternative to turn down the
brightness, turn off Wi-Fi, and other things like Bluetooth. And if you
want

longer operation, you can with some models like Dell purchase battery
packs

with more cells for greater capacity, and with Dell, even additional
battery

"slices" to insert/affix to increase even more. Not all models, however.

The Dell Latitude D6xx series have a media slot that you can use for a
CD/DVD or remove it and add another battery. The E6520 I'm using has a
slice

battery you can connect to the docking area for additional life.

I can get over 10 hours with Wi-Fi and normal screen brightness with the
9-cell battery and the additional slice. Enough for a full day's work
while

flying to Europe.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:40
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


Hello,
Google can answer just about any question if you type it into the search
box. It might not be by Google, but the results will bring up the best
results.
Just click on the first or second result and you have it!
Example:
Why is the sky blue?
http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/sky_blue.html
How do you say dance in Italian
http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en&q=dance&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sl=en&tl
=it&sa=X&ei=jDGYT84GxJmJAvnk7NMP&ved=0CCoQrgYwAA#

The only question I haven't been able to find an answer to is:
Can I buy a laptop without a screen

For some reason no one seems to be asking that question anywhere in the
world...
And if that's a dumb question:
What color are Dorothy's red shoes
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_color_were_Dorothy's_slippers_in_'The_Wonderf
ul_Wizard_of_Oz'

So any research function is mitigated by Google's superior searching
power.
What's the meaning of life?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life
4+9-100000000*2.48485921+0.000001*3^5(2*5.09876)-(5.0129)
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=837&bih=443&q=4%2B9-100000000*2.4848
5921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&oq=4%2B9-1000000
00*2.48485921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&aq=f&aq
i=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=serp.3...20649.20838.0.21686.2.2.0.0.0.0.183.342.0j2.2.
0.Q6z3iZmw3jw

Sooo, unless research it is better than Google calculator or Microsoft
calculator, I think it's totally useless. I've never found a need to use
it.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar,Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:44 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Adrian,

Bravo! And I see that Chris Smart made you famous (or infamous) in the
eyes
of FS. Amazing what tools we have out there, just waiting for someone
dedicated to discover, organize, and share. Thanks. I may have to switch
my
default home page to Google instead of Yahoo.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 08:14
Subject: Is Research It really necessary?


I recently came across a list of Google search suggestions that ought to
save JAWS users from getting agitated every time Research It breaks down,
as
it invariably does. Below is a list of search functions that I've just
tested. I am based in the US, so some suggestions will be different for
versions of Google in other countries. For example, we in the US will need
to add a state or country after the place name "London," but users of
Google.co.uk won't when searching for the capital. Unlike Research It,
google isn't US-centric.

1. To find the weather in a particular location, type the city's name
followed by the word "weather." Thus:

san francisco weather

Note. I avoid using uppercase when doing Google searches.

the first Google result lists today's conditions and those for the days
upcoming.

Here are the terms I entered to find out the weather in Prague, Czech
Republic:

prague czech weather

2. Time works in much the same way. Type the location followed by the word
"time" (not in quotations). Thus:

san francisco time

3. For a word's definition, type the word "definition" followed by a colon
and immediately by the word in question. Thus:

definition:arbitrary

An advantage google has is that if you misspell a word, it automatically
offers a correction.

4. For currency conversion, the crucial word is "in." Beyond that, Google
is
flexible. I obtained conversions for the following search terms:

$1 in sterling

1 eur in usd

These are just two examples.

5. Google will perform math operations, thus saving you from having to
open
a calculator. The article gave as an example a sine problem. For my test,
I
typed the following in the search field:

(2+3)*5

Google promptly reported the correct answer, 25.

6. As for sports, the article's author is based in India, and the examples
he gave involved cricket. Through a bit of tweaking, I tested Google's
ability to produce baseball results. The terms

baseball scores

produced all of yesterday's results. It's morning here, so today's games
haven't been played.

Note. The list of results I got begins with one result from Monday, April
23. A glitch, but a tiny one.

7. I know from past experience that entering just the tracking number of a
UPS shipment in the google search field will provide the information I
need,
although I add "ups" as a second term to make sure.

This list is hardly exhaustive. Other simple searches for other functions
can be interpolated from these examples.

Conclusion, and relevancy to this JAWS list: FS should divert its
resources
from Research It to applications needed for the workplace.
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Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Steve Matzura
 

Nope, headers show she's using a Microsoft product for email.

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:57:50 -0700, you wrote:

Chris,

You may not recall, but Karen is an Apple advocate, so perhaps she's writing
all this on a Mac and has no access to, nor any interest in, JAWS or NVDA. I
do wonder who is actually stirring the pot.

I've just added her to my list where our nemesis Mostafa Al'mahdy resides.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 18:06
Subject: Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution


Karen. Stirring the ship?
You're funny!

Anyway, if you don't like Jaws, use something else. There are lots
of choices out there nowadays.
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Re: JAWS 13.0.852 - Report

Steve Matzura
 

You give us 22 minutes, we'll give you a cra

Very funny, Dave! HAHHAHHAHHAH!

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:33:00 -0700, you wrote:

I've had it running now for 22 minutes, and has not crashed. It's not any
faster than 13.0.718. And I still need to use Ctrl+F6 to get out of the
search area on some web pages.

24 minutes, and I'm still o


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Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Steve Matzura
 

You wanna talk about spending money on upgrades and seemingly not
getting what I thought I'd paid for? Let's go back to Office 97, shall
we? In fact, let's go back to Windows XP and the egregious upgrade
path that finally led us to Windows 7, after a trip through Vista
Hell. Let's talk about an upgrade fee, not a new product purchase fee,
but an upgrade fee which was five times the original cost of the
product when I bought it when I wanted to upgrade my FTP server to a
version I found out to be totally and completely inaccessible? JAWS is
not the only thing in the world where you pays yer money and you takes
yer chances.

Bash responsibly.

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:49:29 -0400, you wrote:

Dave Johnston, I did not do research on comparison on programs because I
didn't know it was expected of me. nor do I think it is my job. if anyone
wants to know the difference between programs they have computers and they
can check it out themselves. there have been several emails by different
folks complaining about problems with the jaws upgrades. I think it is sad
that blind people have spent their money on these upgrades for jaws and
disappointed with bad upgrades. in my mind if you purchase an upgrade it
should work and be an improved version. it should not be with problems and
be of lesser quality. it has just left me to scratch my head and wonder who
is stirring the ship. it is a free country and we are left to check out the
competition as to what else is out there good luck with your research, Karen


----- Original Message -----
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To: "JFW Mailing List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution


Karen,

You've been a staunch advocate of not updating JAWS and seeking out the
alternatives that are available at no cost, such as NVDA.

After your recent suggestion, I've asked politely if you would highlight
the comparisons between JAWS and NVDA (we know about the price difference)
and give us some perspective, from your experience, as to why it would
make sense to not continue to purchase JAWS upgrades.

Looking back at past messages, I've noticed that you occasionally post in
a sort of "shoot and run" to suggest your opinions on no-cost or low-cost
alternatives to JAWS and FS, but I have failed to see any substantive
information to support your point of view in follow-up messages.

So I throw down the gauntlet, so to speak and ask for you to give us
something to "chew on" with regard using NVDA in lieu of JAWS in the
Enterprise environment.

I am sincerely interested. Thanks!

Dave Carlson
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Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Steve Matzura
 

Remote installation may not be what you're thinking, John. It might
just be that somebody somewhere is using Remote Desktop to get in, and
installing it that way. Claudia probably doesn't, or wouldn't, know
unless she asked, or unless she pulled the network cable out and
booted the computer. If JAWS comes up, then it probably exists
locally. If there's some kind of error, then they did the bad network
thing.

On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 22:38:25 -0700, you wrote:

JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or windows 7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed, not the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password, but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to remedy this
either.

Claudia


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