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Re: Itunes

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

If you still have the executable can you send it to kimsansong@aol.com?

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 11:05 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: re: Itunes

Hi,
I use iTunes 10.5.2 with JAWS 12 and 13 just fine without scripts.
Aleeha

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To: "jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Date sent: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 11:00:03 -0800
Subject: Itunes

Hi,

I got myself an iphone and apparently I need to mingle with itunes, so are
their scrips for itunes v. 10.5.2?

Thanks.

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Re: Itunes

Aleeha Dudley
 

Hi,
I use iTunes 10.5.2 with JAWS 12 and 13 just fine without scripts.
Aleeha

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Subject: Itunes

Hi,

I got myself an iphone and apparently I need to mingle with itunes, so are
their scrips for itunes v. 10.5.2?

Thanks.

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Itunes

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Hi,

I got myself an iphone and apparently I need to mingle with itunes, so are
their scrips for itunes v. 10.5.2?

Thanks.

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Re: Advice needed

Adrian Spratt
 

Ted,

I'm surprised to find you this optimistic, considering your past comments
here on access to MS Access.

These applications are, indeed, obscure. It was a good idea to contact this
list, just in case someone does have information. I'd also call Freedom
Scientific to ask if they have experience with any of them. Then, as you
said, I'd contact the application's tech people to see how aware they are of
assistive technology.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:15 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Advice needed

Those are a little off the beaten path. You might try quizzing the
manufacturers on the subject of assistive technology, but, chances are
they'll work fine out of the box.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Susan Ledder
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:08 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Advice needed

Hi,

I am an office manager for 3 churches and my pastor wants us to go to a
database type management software for all our records. I am currently using
Microsoft Excel.



Does anyone use this type of software with Jaws? I have looked at several
demos and purchased one only to find out later that not all of the fields or
forms are available to a non-sighted user. We are currently looking at
"Church Windows", "Excellerate", "Fellowshipone"
and "Church Management Online".



We need one that will integrate financial records with the membership
records and we want to be able to make a directory with the software with a
picture imbedded.



Susan

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Re: Advice needed

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Those are a little off the beaten path. You might try quizzing the
manufacturers on the subject of assistive technology, but, chances are
they'll work fine out of the box.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Susan Ledder
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:08 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Advice needed

Hi,

I am an office manager for 3 churches and my pastor wants us to go to
a database type management software for all our records. I am currently
using Microsoft Excel.



Does anyone use this type of software with Jaws? I have looked at
several demos and purchased one only to find out later that not all of
the fields or forms are available to a non-sighted user. We are
currently looking at "Church Windows", "Excellerate", "Fellowshipone"
and "Church Management Online".



We need one that will integrate financial records with the membership
records and we want to be able to make a directory with the software
with a picture imbedded.



Susan

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Advice needed

Susan Ledder <susan.e.ledder@...>
 

Hi,

I am an office manager for 3 churches and my pastor wants us to go to a
database type management software for all our records. I am currently using
Microsoft Excel.



Does anyone use this type of software with Jaws? I have looked at several
demos and purchased one only to find out later that not all of the fields or
forms are available to a non-sighted user. We are currently looking at
"Church Windows", "Excellerate", "Fellowshipone" and "Church Management
Online".



We need one that will integrate financial records with the membership
records and we want to be able to make a directory with the software with a
picture imbedded.



Susan

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Re: Using JFW 11, 12, or 13 with Brailliant-BRF File Question

SingingHearts <singinghearts@...>
 

Tried it in Word first. Turning translation off did it. <smile> Thanks.

Cordially,
Tina C.

On 1/27/12, Londa Peterson <lpeterson@tricountyblind.org> wrote:
Try opening the file in notepad. Remember to turn the Braille translation
off. You should be able to read the file without trouble.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of SingingHearts
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 1:57 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Using JFW 11, 12, or 13 with Brailliant-BRF File Question

Greetings to All:

I'm currently evaluating a Brailliant in conjunction with JFW 11,
though I have the upgrades for 12 and 13 if it would make a
difference, hoping to find a replacement for my refreshable braille
display that finally bit the dust after years of reliable service.
Does anyone know if it's possible to use a Brailliant connected to a
netbook running JFW 11, 12, or 13 to read .brf or .brl files? If so,
how? If not, does anyone know of any JFW-friendly braille displays
that will?

Cordially,
Tina C.


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Re: Using JFW 11, 12, or 13 with Brailliant-BRF File Question

Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...>
 

Try opening the file in notepad. Remember to turn the Braille translation
off. You should be able to read the file without trouble.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of SingingHearts
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 1:57 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Using JFW 11, 12, or 13 with Brailliant-BRF File Question

Greetings to All:

I'm currently evaluating a Brailliant in conjunction with JFW 11,
though I have the upgrades for 12 and 13 if it would make a
difference, hoping to find a replacement for my refreshable braille
display that finally bit the dust after years of reliable service.
Does anyone know if it's possible to use a Brailliant connected to a
netbook running JFW 11, 12, or 13 to read .brf or .brl files? If so,
how? If not, does anyone know of any JFW-friendly braille displays
that will?

Cordially,
Tina C.


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Re: MS Word & Jaws 12

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello there;

Which layout are you using?

Or, perhaps your normal.dotm
Is corrupted,

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On Behalf Of TeddyBear
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:08 PM
To: JFW
Subject: MS Word & Jaws 12

Good evening list:

Windows 7 and Office 2007.
I am able to type in Word but Jaws won't read what's on the screen. Does
anyone know what I changed in MS Word?

Thanks in advance.

Tracy
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Re: Open Book

chris hallsworth <christopherh40@...>
 

Well, I could, but I don't need it. So why spend all that money over nothing.


Christopher H

On 27/01/2012 12:37, Colleen wrote:
I, too, use the ABBYY Find Reader Sprint that came with my scanner. I
don't need an Open Book. Besides: Who can afford these things? I sure
can't.

Colleen If you are lucky enough to be Irish, you are lucky enough!

On 1/27/2012 5:11 AM, chris hallsworth wrote:
I tried OpenBook, and I don't use all of the features, so much so that
I use the Abbyy Finereader Sprint that came with my scanner which does
the job for me.


Christopher H

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Re: Open Book

Colleen <herself@...>
 

I, too, use the ABBYY Find Reader Sprint that came with my scanner. I don't need an Open Book. Besides: Who can afford these things? I sure can't.

Colleen If you are lucky enough to be Irish, you are lucky enough!

On 1/27/2012 5:11 AM, chris hallsworth wrote:
I tried OpenBook, and I don't use all of the features, so much so that I use the Abbyy Finereader Sprint that came with my scanner which does the job for me.


Christopher H

On 27/01/2012 00:34, thomas williams wrote:
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Re: Open Book

chris hallsworth <christopherh40@...>
 

I tried OpenBook, and I don't use all of the features, so much so that I use the Abbyy Finereader Sprint that came with my scanner which does the job for me.


Christopher H

On 27/01/2012 00:34, thomas williams wrote:
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and how do it compare with other OCR programs? Thank you:


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Re: [Bulk] Open Book

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

When I was teaching at the deaf-blind center, I had to go through many contortions to make kurzweil and jaws work together to drive the braille display and only talk with one voice. I don't do that any more.
Howard

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From: "Dean Martineau" <dean@topdotenterprises.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:15 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Open Book


In response to the initial question, I feel I can with some knowledge
compare Open book 9, Kurzweil 12 and DocuScan Plus. The latter is clear and
simple, not for complicated work. Between the other two, if you can afford
Kurzweil and your scanning needs are serious, you will have far better
results than you will have with Open book 9. There are also off-the-shelf
solutions which enable you to input text from the printed page, and many
people use them. I would suggest, though, that if you can afford Kurzweil,
the sheer power and capability of the program outstrips all the others when
used by a blind person.

Now, to stretch and keep this post marginally on topic, note that when you
use Kurzweil, the scripts invoke JAWS sleep mode, so you can either let JAWs
snooze in the background or you can use JAWS to interface with it, though I
don't recommend this approach.

Dean
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-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 5:04 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Open Book

You know, somehow I do not think any version of OpenBook is as easy to use
or as accurate as the release just before the Ruby Edition.
The
Ruby Edition was as close to useless as any product FS has ever released
other than JAWS 4.0. (LOLLOLLOL)
I worked as Editor of a small town newspaper using the release before
Ruby and it worked fine and was quite accurate.

Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar in the Office
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Open Book

The only thing good about Openbook 9.0 is the Pearl Camera capability. It
really speeds up reading. However the user interface of OB9 as compared to
OB8 really sucks. They have hidden away many of the capabilities to tweak
the settings to improve the recognition on-the-fly.

Also the so-called audio file creation is a joke, since the speech synth
engine routinely mispronounces apostrophe words and words with quotes.
Listening to one of these is painful.

Other than that, I don't know how it compares to other OCR since many are
expensive and comparison would be financially irresponsible.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


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To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 16:34
Subject: [Bulk] Open Book


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Using JFW 11, 12, or 13 with Brailliant-BRF File Question

SingingHearts <singinghearts@...>
 

Greetings to All:

I'm currently evaluating a Brailliant in conjunction with JFW 11,
though I have the upgrades for 12 and 13 if it would make a
difference, hoping to find a replacement for my refreshable braille
display that finally bit the dust after years of reliable service.
Does anyone know if it's possible to use a Brailliant connected to a
netbook running JFW 11, 12, or 13 to read .brf or .brl files? If so,
how? If not, does anyone know of any JFW-friendly braille displays
that will?

Cordially,
Tina C.


--
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possible with God."
Luke 18:27 KJV


Re: [Bulk] Open Book

Sugar <sugarsyl71@...>
 

I use oopen book 8 and love it
then I use tio scan only

'Where there is sadness, I hope I brought some laughter.
Where there is grief, I hope I offered some comfort.
Where there is hate, I hope some love was found here.
Where there is doubt, I hoped I showed you words of faith.'
~Be Blessed, Sugar

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar in the Office" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Open Book


The only thing good about Openbook 9.0 is the Pearl Camera capability. It
really speeds up reading. However the user interface of OB9 as compared to
OB8 really sucks. They have hidden away many of the capabilities to tweak
the settings to improve the recognition on-the-fly.

Also the so-called audio file creation is a joke, since the speech synth
engine routinely mispronounces apostrophe words and words with quotes.
Listening to one of these is painful.

Other than that, I don't know how it compares to other OCR since many are
expensive and comparison would be financially irresponsible.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "thomas williams" <twilliams16@triad.rr.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 16:34
Subject: [Bulk] Open Book


If there is another list for this type of question let me no.
anyone on this list using OB, if so could you let me know how you like it
and how do it compare with other OCR programs? Thank you:


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Re: [Bulk] Open Book

John ESherrer
 

I tried to use the MP3 feature of OpenBook, and I agree, it is a waste of
time.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar in the Office
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Open Book

The only thing good about Openbook 9.0 is the Pearl Camera capability. It
really speeds up reading. However the user interface of OB9 as compared to
OB8 really sucks. They have hidden away many of the capabilities to tweak
the settings to improve the recognition on-the-fly.

Also the so-called audio file creation is a joke, since the speech synth
engine routinely mispronounces apostrophe words and words with quotes.
Listening to one of these is painful.

Other than that, I don't know how it compares to other OCR since many are
expensive and comparison would be financially irresponsible.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "thomas williams" <twilliams16@triad.rr.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 16:34
Subject: [Bulk] Open Book


If there is another list for this type of question let me no.
anyone on this list using OB, if so could you let me know how you like it
and how do it compare with other OCR programs? Thank you:


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Re: Open Book

John ESherrer
 

I like OpenBook, but I am not sure it will scan into the new version of
office. It has many features that I do not use. If you do not need to scan
into Word, Guide is a cheaper option. EASy OCR is pretty cheap, but I have
never used it, it is designed to scan into word.
John

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of thomas williams
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:35 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Open Book

If there is another list for this type of question let me no.
anyone on this list using OB, if so could you let me know how you like it
and how do it compare with other OCR programs? Thank you:


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Re: [Bulk] Open Book

Dean Martineau <dean@...>
 

In response to the initial question, I feel I can with some knowledge
compare Open book 9, Kurzweil 12 and DocuScan Plus. The latter is clear and
simple, not for complicated work. Between the other two, if you can afford
Kurzweil and your scanning needs are serious, you will have far better
results than you will have with Open book 9. There are also off-the-shelf
solutions which enable you to input text from the printed page, and many
people use them. I would suggest, though, that if you can afford Kurzweil,
the sheer power and capability of the program outstrips all the others when
used by a blind person.

Now, to stretch and keep this post marginally on topic, note that when you
use Kurzweil, the scripts invoke JAWS sleep mode, so you can either let JAWs
snooze in the background or you can use JAWS to interface with it, though I
don't recommend this approach.

Dean
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-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 5:04 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Open Book

You know, somehow I do not think any version of OpenBook is as easy to use
or as accurate as the release just before the Ruby Edition.
The
Ruby Edition was as close to useless as any product FS has ever released
other than JAWS 4.0. (LOLLOLLOL)
I worked as Editor of a small town newspaper using the release before
Ruby and it worked fine and was quite accurate.

Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar in the Office
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Open Book

The only thing good about Openbook 9.0 is the Pearl Camera capability. It
really speeds up reading. However the user interface of OB9 as compared to
OB8 really sucks. They have hidden away many of the capabilities to tweak
the settings to improve the recognition on-the-fly.

Also the so-called audio file creation is a joke, since the speech synth
engine routinely mispronounces apostrophe words and words with quotes.
Listening to one of these is painful.

Other than that, I don't know how it compares to other OCR since many are
expensive and comparison would be financially irresponsible.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


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Subject: [Bulk] Open Book


If there is another list for this type of question let me no.
anyone on this list using OB, if so could you let me know how you like it
and how do it compare with other OCR programs? Thank you:


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MS Word & Jaws 12

TeddyBear
 

Good evening list:

Windows 7 and Office 2007.
I am able to type in Word but Jaws won't read what's on the screen. Does anyone know what I changed in MS Word?

Thanks in advance.

Tracy
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Re: [Bulk] Open Book

Cy Selfridge
 

You know, somehow I do not think any version of OpenBook is as easy to use
or as accurate as the release just before the Ruby Edition.
The
Ruby Edition was as close to useless as any product FS has ever released
other than JAWS 4.0. (LOLLOLLOL)
I worked as Editor of a small town newspaper using the release before
Ruby and it worked fine and was quite accurate.

Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar in the Office
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Open Book

The only thing good about Openbook 9.0 is the Pearl Camera capability. It
really speeds up reading. However the user interface of OB9 as compared to
OB8 really sucks. They have hidden away many of the capabilities to tweak
the settings to improve the recognition on-the-fly.

Also the so-called audio file creation is a joke, since the speech synth
engine routinely mispronounces apostrophe words and words with quotes.
Listening to one of these is painful.

Other than that, I don't know how it compares to other OCR since many are
expensive and comparison would be financially irresponsible.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "thomas williams" <twilliams16@triad.rr.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 16:34
Subject: [Bulk] Open Book


If there is another list for this type of question let me no.
anyone on this list using OB, if so could you let me know how you like it
and how do it compare with other OCR programs? Thank you:


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