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Re: Windows 8

Steve <k8sp@...>
 

I don't know what FS will do, but it is going to have to be something big I suspect. From what I've read about Windows 8, there will no longer be a way to support the video intercept.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Windows 8


Yes agree with you on the speculation. Yes think they will make jaws
13 with windows 8 in mind but it will really be a bummer if people
have to update to jaws 13 just because 12 or even older versions
doesn't work. To give you a example, I only upgraded to jaws 12 about
a month ago, before I had 11 and I used windows 7 since it was
released as a public beta back then think I had jaws 9 or 10 and it
worked all the way. As I said if I have some time I'll try to find a
leaked beta of windows 8 and try it.

On 8/29/11, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...> wrote:

Because Windows 8 has not yet been released, it is impossible to know
whether JAWS 12 will work with it. I'm just speculating, but I would
imagine that the next release of JAWS, JAWS 13 would be more likely to be
compatible with Win 8 than JAWS 12.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@...>
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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:09 PM
Subject: Windows 8


Hi all I was just wondering if any of you seen anything about windows
8 and if jaws 12 will work with it. Thing is from what I've heard the
windows 8 interface is going to be dramatically redesigned to give it
a fresh look, it is a atemt by microsoft to stay in the game along
side apple.

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Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Steve <k8sp@...>
 

You don't understand supply-and-demand, Buddy, ceteris paribus, that would be true. But, here you have a limited market which would get smaller, and relatively high research-and-development and customer support costs which have to be ammortized across a smaller market. As the niche market contracts, one of two things will happen:

1. To maintain the same R&D and support, the price would have to increase as it is serving a smaller user base; or,
2. Screen-reader improvements would be made less often if at all, because there isn't a large enough market to support the programming.

Steve

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From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@...>
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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:52 PM
Subject: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking


Hello Ed and Friends,
I must disagree with you on your thoughts about "Free" screen reading programs coming out and causing the cost of traditional text to speech programs to go up.
I should think the price of JAWS and Window-Eyes would drop considerably, the "Law of Supply and Demand" you understand.

Just my thoughts, and of course you are entitled to your opinion.

If nothing else, I would expect the manufacturers of the JAWS and Window-Eyes programs to strive for more "Excellence" in their product, if there is some competition out there.

With Best Regards,
Alan
Miami, Florida
Alan Dicey, President
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@...>
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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking


I haven't said much as the topics of JAWS alternatives have come up. Several have voiced some admiration for Apple and its built-in screen reader VoiceOver. I don't have a Mac, but I do have an iPhone. So, I know a little about VoiceOver, and I've been on the Mac lists. So, I know more than a little about it.
Periodically, someone will mention NVDA, an open source free screen reader. I've used it, and the experience was far from satisfying. Now, we hear at least a rumor that Narrator will become a full-blown screen reader, however one defines "full blown."
What troubles me is that as more and more people are satisfied with "good enough" because, after all, it is free, the number of those willing to fork over cash for the powerful screen readers like Window-Eyes and JAWS will drop. As that happens, the price will doubtless go up.
Speaking from a purely personal perspective, I would hate to see that happen. I need things like track changes, support for styles, and other powerful features that go along with using Word to its fullest.
NVDA, VoiceOver, and even System Access cannot compete at that level, having no functionality to touch either JAWS or Window-Eyes.
Philosophically, I suppose I should shut up and take my medicine. One could argue that JAWS is artificially high-priced, forcing, or seeming to force, ordinary users to pay for features they don't want or need.
Perhaps if I want the features, I should be willing to pay extra for them.
I know JAWS now has two price levels, with a somewhat higher price for what I use -- Professional Version.
Perhaps, in the future, what we will see is a JAWS light for $100 or so and a JAWS heavy duty for $5,000 or more. Ouch!
Still, one has to consider the features one needs. I may not need all the cell reading functions in Excel, but I'm willing to pay for them to get the professional features I need in Word. I just think we should step back a little before we cavalierly express a willingness for "good enough." My guess is that "good enough" won't in fact be "good enough" just when it is needed most.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 11:12 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8

I know that they are making Narrator in to a full blown screen reader and is
expected to be competition to JAWS. That said I think it's functionality
still won't come close but then how much of the jaws features do we all use
on the day to day basis at least for home use. Hopefully they will release a
public beta like they did with Windows 7 as it was very successful.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 8

Hi all I was just wondering if any of you seen anything about windows
8 and if jaws 12 will work with it. Thing is from what I've heard the
windows 8 interface is going to be dramatically redesigned to give it
a fresh look, it is a atemt by microsoft to stay in the game along
side apple.

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boot into safe mode using jaws

Alan Dicey <adicey@...>
 

Hello Folks,
I had an A T and T "In Home" Technical Support person come out to my place last year, when an "executable file" in Windows got corrupted, thus crashing my system, and he did not even try to do a repair using Safe Mode or anything.
He simply reformatted my "system's Drive" and reinstalled Windows with my O S disk.

That jerk charged me $179 for less than half an hour.
He did not even install any of my "Device Drivers"!

Yeah, I know, I should have done something while he was here, but I could not hear my JAWS, since it was gone, and I had no idea what he was doing.

Well, I complained all the way up passed his Supervisor, Director, and all the way to A T and T main office.
I still had to pay the $179, but it cost A T and T much more than that, with all the bad rap I gave them to anyone and everyone I could, including all 300 people in my address list.

So, lesson learned.
Never, Never trust a technical repair person you are not sure of.

With Best Regards,
Alan
Miami, Florida
Alan Dicey, President
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----- Original Message -----
From: "inthane" <inthaneelf@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: boot into safe mode using jaws


Dorothy,

there are a number of tools that can be run in safe mode, both already on the computer such as chkdsk for making sure the hard drive is ok, scan disk, for checking OS file integrity, removal and replacement tools for system device drivers, check tools for the same, and a whole host of little hidden things a tech can do.

system restore can as well be run in safe mode so you can "go back to ..." and then restart the computer as it was then.

with things like USB drives and network operations available you can download and./or retrieve off of a network (this is the dangerous thing being mentioned by this person) tools that can be used to diagnose and fix troubles.

so on and so forth

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elf
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dorothy" <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 4:20 AM
Subject: RE: boot into safe mode using jaws


I have read this with interest, since it is not the safe mode thatMs
outlook suggests if it is not turned off,just so and complains when next
the desktop is put on and suggest it run in safe mode. However since I
mentioned a while ago when my xp desktop seemingly died downloading jaws
and I called out a local engineer who said jaws 11 may have hit a poor patch
on the Hd, letme custom make you a windows 7,as it was newly out I did have
an external back up so he knew I had material stored off computer. Well a
couple of people I know said"he could have tried to repair it in safe mode",
so in that kind of safe mode how would he have gone about fixing my xp
desktop the easy thing of course was to say he could custom make me a
windows 7 pc for an astronomical price thanks dorothy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of 2.g.i
Sent: 28 August 2011 22:49
To: jfw@...
Subject: boot into safe mode using jaws

Hi every one

Please read all of this before carrying out the steps.

To save the guessing of when to hit f8 & so on to boot into safe
mode, you can do the following.
press windows r to open the run box
in the run box type, msconfig & press enter
the system configuration window will open
either shift tab once to get up into the tabs & use the right arrow,
or use control tab & find the boot tab
its called the Boot tab in windows 7, boot.ini tab in xp
once on the boot tab, start tabbing through the options & you will find
boot option Safe boot, you need to check this
then tab once more & you will find radio buttons
use the arrow keys to choose either minimal or network
again dont forget, if you choose network, while you are connected to
the internet you have no securety running.
now just tab to the ok button & hit the space bar.
on xp you will get a window saying need to restart, on windows 7 you
will not recieve this & need to restart the system yourself.
On xp when the system boots into safe mode you will here the windows
log on sound & then you will hear a ding sound,
the ding is a window stating you are in safe mode, just press enter to say
ok.
You will not get this ding sound in windows 7.
dont forget things in safe mode are a lot slower, so wait a while for
the desktop & so on to load before you try to start your screen reader.
In xp when you get your screen reader running you may find a system
configuration window saying, is in selective mode & so on, I normally
tab to never show this again & check it, then tab to ok
Once you are finished doing what you want to in safe mode, you need
to go back into msconfig into the boot tab & uncheck boot into safe mode.
If you dont do this, you will just keep starting up in safe mode.

Hope this helps....


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Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Howard <hwolcott@...>
 

hi:
I notice you are still on this jaws list so you must still be using jaws so I guess voice over on the mac is not the best.
if you have a mac then you don't need jaws so quit clutterin up my inbox about the mac.
this is a jaws list, not a mac list.


howard wolcott

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@...>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:14 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Subject: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Don't quite agree with you there. Yes apple hardware is more expensive
but it's not to finance side projects like accessibility. If windows
wanted to, they could have made narator in to what voiceover is today
by just putting some efort in to it and interacting more with their
users. My view of apples expensive hardware is that it's more
expensive for a reason, you get what you pay for, e.g. a apple
computer would last you a lot longer than a pc plus the hardware and
software are designed for each other where with pc drivers must be
written for every piece of the pc just to talk to the other bits.
Let's not go off topic here, I just think apple was smarter than
windows in making accessibility more of a priority a few years ago,
these roomers of narator becoming a full on screen reader, if you ask
me it's windows realising apple was rite in the first place concerning
accessibility but now they will have to try to play catch up.

On 8/29/11, Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...> wrote:
Yes but Apple charge every user much more for the hardware so that helps
subsidise the accessibility side of things. Same with all the other Apple
products with accessibility.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Agree with you guys but as I said don't put your hopes on narator or
on FS dropping the price for jaws. Sure there will be a improvement in
narator but doubt if it will be big enough to mean anything. The thing
with FS is they don't give a rats ass for the individual which is us
the users. That's what I like about voiceover, sure it's not yet up
there with jaws but apple doesn't even ask $1000 for it but still they
listen to every single one of their users.

On 8/29/11, Chris Smart <@ve3rwj> wrote:
Hi Ed.

I agree with you on all points! Most of the applications I use on a
daily basis, besides email and web browsing, require scripting
support from Jaws. If we all go for the lowest common denominator,
even if it's free, some people will literally lose their livlihoods.


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Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Howard <hwolcott@...>
 

hi :
right on, peter.


howard wolcott

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@...>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 1:11 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Subject: Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Yes but Apple charge every user much more for the hardware so that helps subsidise the accessibility side of things. Same with all the other Apple products with accessibility.

Peter





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-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Agree with you guys but as I said don't put your hopes on narator or
on FS dropping the price for jaws. Sure there will be a improvement in
narator but doubt if it will be big enough to mean anything. The thing
with FS is they don't give a rats ass for the individual which is us
the users. That's what I like about voiceover, sure it's not yet up
there with jaws but apple doesn't even ask $1000 for it but still they
listen to every single one of their users.

On 8/29/11, Chris Smart <@ve3rwj> wrote:
Hi Ed.

I agree with you on all points! Most of the applications I use on a
daily basis, besides email and web browsing, require scripting
support from Jaws. If we all go for the lowest common denominator,
even if it's free, some people will literally lose their livlihoods.


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Re: boot into safe mode using jaws

inthane <inthaneelf@...>
 

Dorothy,

there are a number of tools that can be run in safe mode, both already on the computer such as chkdsk for making sure the hard drive is ok, scan disk, for checking OS file integrity, removal and replacement tools for system device drivers, check tools for the same, and a whole host of little hidden things a tech can do.

system restore can as well be run in safe mode so you can "go back to ..." and then restart the computer as it was then.

with things like USB drives and network operations available you can download and./or retrieve off of a network (this is the dangerous thing being mentioned by this person) tools that can be used to diagnose and fix troubles.

so on and so forth

HTH,
elf
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dorothy" <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 4:20 AM
Subject: RE: boot into safe mode using jaws


I have read this with interest, since it is not the safe mode thatMs
outlook suggests if it is not turned off,just so and complains when next
the desktop is put on and suggest it run in safe mode. However since I
mentioned a while ago when my xp desktop seemingly died downloading jaws
and I called out a local engineer who said jaws 11 may have hit a poor patch
on the Hd, letme custom make you a windows 7,as it was newly out I did have
an external back up so he knew I had material stored off computer. Well a
couple of people I know said"he could have tried to repair it in safe mode",
so in that kind of safe mode how would he have gone about fixing my xp
desktop the easy thing of course was to say he could custom make me a
windows 7 pc for an astronomical price thanks dorothy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of 2.g.i
Sent: 28 August 2011 22:49
To: jfw@...
Subject: boot into safe mode using jaws

Hi every one

Please read all of this before carrying out the steps.

To save the guessing of when to hit f8 & so on to boot into safe
mode, you can do the following.
press windows r to open the run box
in the run box type, msconfig & press enter
the system configuration window will open
either shift tab once to get up into the tabs & use the right arrow,
or use control tab & find the boot tab
its called the Boot tab in windows 7, boot.ini tab in xp
once on the boot tab, start tabbing through the options & you will find
boot option Safe boot, you need to check this
then tab once more & you will find radio buttons
use the arrow keys to choose either minimal or network
again dont forget, if you choose network, while you are connected to
the internet you have no securety running.
now just tab to the ok button & hit the space bar.
on xp you will get a window saying need to restart, on windows 7 you
will not recieve this & need to restart the system yourself.
On xp when the system boots into safe mode you will here the windows
log on sound & then you will hear a ding sound,
the ding is a window stating you are in safe mode, just press enter to say
ok.
You will not get this ding sound in windows 7.
dont forget things in safe mode are a lot slower, so wait a while for
the desktop & so on to load before you try to start your screen reader.
In xp when you get your screen reader running you may find a system
configuration window saying, is in selective mode & so on, I normally
tab to never show this again & check it, then tab to ok
Once you are finished doing what you want to in safe mode, you need
to go back into msconfig into the boot tab & uncheck boot into safe mode.
If you dont do this, you will just keep starting up in safe mode.

Hope this helps....


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Re: Windows 8

Adi Kushnir <adikushnir@...>
 

Yes, I aggree with you.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 11:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8

Gerald, those people who are downloading the non-public betas also stand a
good risk of aquiring a virus and since it's not really affecting you
directly I really wouldn't worry about it. Likewise we are all debating
about what JAWS will or will not support but we all need to wait and see
what happens closer to the time.

peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 8:26 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8


And this is a legal version of IE 8? I was under the impression that IE 8
has not yet been released for public beta testing by MS. So any version of
IE 8 that has been "leaked" prematurely onto the web is probably an illegal
hacked copy. Indeed, it is my understanding that the public beta of Windows
8 will not be released until early next year. You have to register with MS
to be a beta tester. I know this because I was a beta tester for IE8 and
had to provide feedback to MS.

Gerald


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From: "Adi Kushnir" <adikushnir@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:41 PM
Subject: RE: Windows 8


Hi,
Just downloaded the latest build from one of the torrents - just do a
search
on these websites.
J12 doesn't work with it well because there is no support for the FS
mearor
driver.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:32 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8

several prerelease versions have been leaked, as you can read about on
Wikipedia or lots of other places. Or do a torrent search for Windows 8.

At 01:18 PM 8/29/2011, you wrote:

Could you explain how you were able to try Windows 8 when it has not
yet been released in public beta? Just curious.

Gerald


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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: Windows 8


Hi,
I tried it - most of the new parts dren't working well with J12
because Microsoft disabled the option to use the meeror driver.


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Re: Windows 8

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Gerald, those people who are downloading the non-public betas also stand a good risk of aquiring a virus and since it's not really affecting you directly I really wouldn't worry about it. Likewise we are all debating about what JAWS will or will not support but we all need to wait and see what happens closer to the time.

peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 8:26 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8


And this is a legal version of IE 8? I was under the impression that IE 8
has not yet been released for public beta testing by MS. So any version of
IE 8 that has been "leaked" prematurely onto the web is probably an illegal
hacked copy. Indeed, it is my understanding that the public beta of Windows
8 will not be released until early next year. You have to register with MS
to be a beta tester. I know this because I was a beta tester for IE8 and
had to provide feedback to MS.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adi Kushnir" <adikushnir@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:41 PM
Subject: RE: Windows 8


Hi,
Just downloaded the latest build from one of the torrents - just do a search
on these websites.
J12 doesn't work with it well because there is no support for the FS mearor
driver.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:32 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8

several prerelease versions have been leaked, as you can read about on
Wikipedia or lots of other places. Or do a torrent search for Windows 8.

At 01:18 PM 8/29/2011, you wrote:

Could you explain how you were able to try Windows 8 when it has not
yet been released in public beta? Just curious.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Adi Kushnir"
<adikushnir@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: Windows 8


Hi,
I tried it - most of the new parts dren't working well with J12
because Microsoft disabled the option to use the meeror driver.


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Re: Windows 8

Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...>
 

I don't see what the big deal is if people have to move to JAWS 13 to have Windows 8. At the end of the day it's peoples own decision whether they upgrade and for some time after Windows 8 is released you'll still be able to have Windows 7 as an option on new PCs so peoples computers are still going to do what they did prior to the release of Windows 8.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Adi Kushnir
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 8:09 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Windows 8

I don't know if to 13, maybe to 14.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:08 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8

As far as I heard microsoft is looking at launching in the first half of
next year. This kind of sucks from what I've seen so far in the last hour or
two it meens everybody will have to go to jaws 13 to use windows 8. This
means ither everybody will just pay and take the plunge or they will stay
with windows 7 or xp in the case of those who's still afraid of windows 7
because of the windows vista disaster.

On 8/29/11, Dorothy <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...> wrote:
I have just had a chat with a clever friend in uk about this and
that, he has been testing the Beta version of windows 8, said he
thinks it willbe out end of next year. I asked him about the voice
recognition part andhe said it seems even better in windows 8, so far
he seems quite pleased with it, he is clever youngman who used to make
all his own computers when he had time regards dorothy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: 29 August 2011 19:03
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 8

A few beta versions have leeked on to the net, I plan to also get hold
of it and try it out.

On 8/29/11, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...> wrote:

Could you explain how you were able to try Windows 8 when it has not
yet been released in public beta? Just curious.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adi Kushnir" <adikushnir@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: Windows 8


Hi,
I tried it - most of the new parts dren't working well with J12
because Microsoft disabled the option to use the meeror driver.


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Re: Windows 8

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

no, leaked plus it being available from file sharing sites suggests that it is *not* legal. I gather you had that sussed out already though.
On the other hand, IE8 is entirely legal and has been available for some time. *grin*

At 03:26 PM 8/29/2011, you wrote:

And this is a legal version of IE 8? I was under the impression that IE 8 has not yet been released for public beta testing by MS. So any version of IE 8


Re: Windows 8

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

The choice is entirely yours as a consumer, to upgrade or not upgrade.
I stuck with XP for 6 or 7 years because it met my needs. Once it no longer did, I moved up to 7.

At 03:07 PM 8/29/2011, you wrote:
As far as I heard microsoft is looking at launching in the first half
of next year. This kind of sucks from what I've seen so far in the
last hour or two it meens everybody will have to go to jaws 13 to use
windows 8.


Re: Windows 8

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

Dorothy, did you mean text to speech or actually mean voice recognition?

At 02:51 PM 8/29/2011, you wrote:
I have just had a chat with a clever friend in uk about this and that, he
has been testing the Beta version of windows 8, said he thinks it willbe
out end of next year. I asked him about the voice recognition part andhe
*snip*


Re: Windows 8

Gerald Levy
 

And this is a legal version of IE 8? I was under the impression that IE 8 has not yet been released for public beta testing by MS. So any version of IE 8 that has been "leaked" prematurely onto the web is probably an illegal hacked copy. Indeed, it is my understanding that the public beta of Windows 8 will not be released until early next year. You have to register with MS to be a beta tester. I know this because I was a beta tester for IE8 and had to provide feedback to MS.

Gerald

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adi Kushnir" <adikushnir@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:41 PM
Subject: RE: Windows 8


Hi,
Just downloaded the latest build from one of the torrents - just do a search
on these websites.
J12 doesn't work with it well because there is no support for the FS mearor
driver.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:32 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8

several prerelease versions have been leaked, as you can read about on
Wikipedia or lots of other places. Or do a torrent search for Windows 8.

At 01:18 PM 8/29/2011, you wrote:

Could you explain how you were able to try Windows 8 when it has not
yet been released in public beta? Just curious.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Adi Kushnir"
<adikushnir@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: Windows 8


Hi,
I tried it - most of the new parts dren't working well with J12
because Microsoft disabled the option to use the meeror driver.


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Re: Windows 8

Adi Kushnir <adikushnir@...>
 

I don't know if to 13, maybe to 14.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:08 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8

As far as I heard microsoft is looking at launching in the first half of
next year. This kind of sucks from what I've seen so far in the last hour or
two it meens everybody will have to go to jaws 13 to use windows 8. This
means ither everybody will just pay and take the plunge or they will stay
with windows 7 or xp in the case of those who's still afraid of windows 7
because of the windows vista disaster.

On 8/29/11, Dorothy <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...> wrote:
I have just had a chat with a clever friend in uk about this and
that, he has been testing the Beta version of windows 8, said he
thinks it willbe out end of next year. I asked him about the voice
recognition part andhe said it seems even better in windows 8, so far
he seems quite pleased with it, he is clever youngman who used to make
all his own computers when he had time regards dorothy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: 29 August 2011 19:03
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 8

A few beta versions have leeked on to the net, I plan to also get hold
of it and try it out.

On 8/29/11, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...> wrote:

Could you explain how you were able to try Windows 8 when it has not
yet been released in public beta? Just curious.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: Windows 8


Hi,
I tried it - most of the new parts dren't working well with J12
because Microsoft disabled the option to use the meeror driver.


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Re: Windows 8

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

As far as I heard microsoft is looking at launching in the first half
of next year. This kind of sucks from what I've seen so far in the
last hour or two it meens everybody will have to go to jaws 13 to use
windows 8. This means ither everybody will just pay and take the
plunge or they will stay with windows 7 or xp in the case of those
who's still afraid of windows 7 because of the windows vista disaster.

On 8/29/11, Dorothy <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...> wrote:
I have just had a chat with a clever friend in uk about this and that, he
has been testing the Beta version of windows 8, said he thinks it willbe
out end of next year. I asked him about the voice recognition part andhe
said it seems even better in windows 8, so far he seems quite pleased with
it, he is clever youngman who used to make all his own computers when he had
time regards dorothy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: 29 August 2011 19:03
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 8

A few beta versions have leeked on to the net, I plan to also get hold
of it and try it out.

On 8/29/11, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...> wrote:

Could you explain how you were able to try Windows 8 when it has not yet
been released in public beta? Just curious.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: Windows 8


Hi,
I tried it - most of the new parts dren't working well with J12 because
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Re: windows8:

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

HEHe chris I agree plus what's the chance of getting a straight answer
out of them.

On 8/29/11, Chris Smart <@ve3rwj> wrote:
Hey now, stop making good sense. Asking FS directly would be far
too simple and easy. *LOL*

At 01:19 PM 8/29/2011, you wrote:
Why not just ask Freedom Scientific?

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Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...>
 

Where does the money come from then to fund the accessibility side of Apple products if it's not from sales of product? Also, you mention about the apple hardware all working together. It could be argued that to develop products for a system which isn't so closed shop as Apples products is harder and more expensive because the drivers aren't all generic. As for product quality, I know several people who have had Macs and PCs fail, and likewise I know people who have had both PCs and Macs go on for a long time. But as you say we don't want to go off topic.

Peter


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-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 7:14 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Don't quite agree with you there. Yes apple hardware is more expensive
but it's not to finance side projects like accessibility. If windows
wanted to, they could have made narator in to what voiceover is today
by just putting some efort in to it and interacting more with their
users. My view of apples expensive hardware is that it's more
expensive for a reason, you get what you pay for, e.g. a apple
computer would last you a lot longer than a pc plus the hardware and
software are designed for each other where with pc drivers must be
written for every piece of the pc just to talk to the other bits.
Let's not go off topic here, I just think apple was smarter than
windows in making accessibility more of a priority a few years ago,
these roomers of narator becoming a full on screen reader, if you ask
me it's windows realising apple was rite in the first place concerning
accessibility but now they will have to try to play catch up.

On 8/29/11, Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...> wrote:
Yes but Apple charge every user much more for the hardware so that helps
subsidise the accessibility side of things. Same with all the other Apple
products with accessibility.

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Agree with you guys but as I said don't put your hopes on narator or
on FS dropping the price for jaws. Sure there will be a improvement in
narator but doubt if it will be big enough to mean anything. The thing
with FS is they don't give a rats ass for the individual which is us
the users. That's what I like about voiceover, sure it's not yet up
there with jaws but apple doesn't even ask $1000 for it but still they
listen to every single one of their users.

On 8/29/11, Chris Smart <@ve3rwj> wrote:
Hi Ed.

I agree with you on all points! Most of the applications I use on a
daily basis, besides email and web browsing, require scripting
support from Jaws. If we all go for the lowest common denominator,
even if it's free, some people will literally lose their livlihoods.


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