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Re: Subscribe in here!!
O.Addison Gethers <oag1rottie@...>
Thanks Chris!!
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O. Addison Gethers e-mail address oag1rottie@... O.AddisonGethers@... oag1rottie@...
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From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:03 PM Subject: Re: Subscribe in here!! Addison, two of us told you where to go to subscribe.
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Re: Windows 8
Dorothy <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
I have just had a chat with a clever friend in uk about this and that, he
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has been testing the Beta version of windows 8, said he thinks it willbe out end of next year. I asked him about the voice recognition part andhe said it seems even better in windows 8, so far he seems quite pleased with it, he is clever youngman who used to make all his own computers when he had time regards dorothy
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From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos Sent: 29 August 2011 19:03 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Windows 8 A few beta versions have leeked on to the net, I plan to also get hold of it and try it out. On 8/29/11, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...> wrote: _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Windows 8
Adi Kushnir <adikushnir@...>
Hi,
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Just downloaded the latest build from one of the torrents - just do a search on these websites. J12 doesn't work with it well because there is no support for the FS mearor driver.
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From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Chris Smart Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:32 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Windows 8 several prerelease versions have been leaked, as you can read about on Wikipedia or lots of other places. Or do a torrent search for Windows 8. At 01:18 PM 8/29/2011, you wrote: Could you explain how you were able to try Windows 8 when it has not _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: windows8:
Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
Hey now, stop making good sense. Asking FS directly would be far too simple and easy. *LOL*
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At 01:19 PM 8/29/2011, you wrote:
Why not just ask Freedom Scientific?
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Re: Windows 8
Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
several prerelease versions have been leaked, as you can read about on Wikipedia or lots of other places. Or do a torrent search for Windows 8.
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At 01:18 PM 8/29/2011, you wrote:
Could you explain how you were able to try Windows 8 when it has not yet been released in public beta? Just curious.
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Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking
Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
good point Peter, about 30% more!
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At 01:11 PM 8/29/2011, you wrote:
Yes but Apple charge every user much more for the hardware so that helps subsidise the accessibility side of things. Same with all the other Apple products with accessibility.
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Re: Windows 8
Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
Nickus, I heard a rumor that Windows 8 addresses the screen differently than previous versions, so whether we like it or not, FS will have had to come up with something new in Jaws 13 to work with it.
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Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking
Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
Don't quite agree with you there. Yes apple hardware is more expensive
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but it's not to finance side projects like accessibility. If windows wanted to, they could have made narator in to what voiceover is today by just putting some efort in to it and interacting more with their users. My view of apples expensive hardware is that it's more expensive for a reason, you get what you pay for, e.g. a apple computer would last you a lot longer than a pc plus the hardware and software are designed for each other where with pc drivers must be written for every piece of the pc just to talk to the other bits. Let's not go off topic here, I just think apple was smarter than windows in making accessibility more of a priority a few years ago, these roomers of narator becoming a full on screen reader, if you ask me it's windows realising apple was rite in the first place concerning accessibility but now they will have to try to play catch up.
On 8/29/11, Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...> wrote:
Yes but Apple charge every user much more for the hardware so that helps
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Windows 8
Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
A few beta versions have leeked on to the net, I plan to also get hold
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of it and try it out.
On 8/29/11, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...> wrote:
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Re: windows8:
Charles Coe
Why not just ask Freedom Scientific?
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From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyatt Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:28 AM To: jfw@... Subject: windows8: I wonder how jaws 13 will work with windows 8? _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Windows 8
Gerald Levy
Could you explain how you were able to try Windows 8 when it has not yet been released in public beta? Just curious.
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Gerald
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From: "Adi Kushnir" <adikushnir@...> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 1:05 PM Subject: RE: Windows 8 Hi,
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Re: i Phone
Kerri <shalom75@...>
Oh crud, I thought I was on another listk, pardon me, going senile.
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From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of James Homuth Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:48 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: i Phone One does this by first subscribing to the ViPhone Google Group and asking the question there, as this has absolutely nothing to do with JAWS. James, List Admin -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Kerri Sent: August-29-11 12:47 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: i Phone Hi, all. How does one enable the talking software in the Iphone and since they are flat, how does one use them? -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:38 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: RE: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking I haven't said much as the topics of JAWS alternatives have come up. Several have voiced some admiration for Apple and its built-in screen reader VoiceOver. I don't have a Mac, but I do have an iPhone. So, I know a little about VoiceOver, and I've been on the Mac lists. So, I know more than a little about it. Periodically, someone will mention NVDA, an open source free screen reader. I've used it, and the experience was far from satisfying. Now, we hear at least a rumor that Narrator will become a full-blown screen reader, however one defines "full blown." What troubles me is that as more and more people are satisfied with "good enough" because, after all, it is free, the number of those willing to fork over cash for the powerful screen readers like Window-Eyes and JAWS will drop. As that happens, the price will doubtless go up. Speaking from a purely personal perspective, I would hate to see that happen. I need things like track changes, support for styles, and other powerful features that go along with using Word to its fullest. NVDA, VoiceOver, and even System Access cannot compete at that level, having no functionality to touch either JAWS or Window-Eyes. Philosophically, I suppose I should shut up and take my medicine. One could argue that JAWS is artificially high-priced, forcing, or seeming to force, ordinary users to pay for features they don't want or need. Perhaps if I want the features, I should be willing to pay extra for them. I know JAWS now has two price levels, with a somewhat higher price for what I use -- Professional Version. Perhaps, in the future, what we will see is a JAWS light for $100 or so and a JAWS heavy duty for $5,000 or more. Ouch! Still, one has to consider the features one needs. I may not need all the cell reading functions in Excel, but I'm willing to pay for them to get the professional features I need in Word. I just think we should step back a little before we cavalierly express a willingness for "good enough." My guess is that "good enough" won't in fact be "good enough" just when it is needed most. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 11:12 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Windows 8 I know that they are making Narrator in to a full blown screen reader and is expected to be competition to JAWS. That said I think it's functionality still won't come close but then how much of the jaws features do we all use on the day to day basis at least for home use. Hopefully they will release a public beta like they did with Windows 7 as it was very successful. Peter 1. <a href= 'http://www.justgiving.com/Peter-Holdstock' alt='JustGiving - Sponsor me now!' target='_blank'><img src='http://www.justgiving.com/App_Themes/JustGiving/images/badges/badge10.g if' width='270' height='50'></a> 2. <a href='http://www.justgiving.com/Peter-Holdstock' alt='JustGiving - Sponsor me now!' target='_blank'><img src='http://www.justgiving.com/App_Themes/JustGiving/images/badges/badge9.gi f' width='120' height='90'></a> 3. <a href='http://www.justgiving.com/Peter-Holdstock' alt='JustGiving - Sponsor me now!' target='_blank'><img src='http://www.justgiving.com/App_Themes/JustGiving/images/badges/badge5.gi f' width='150' height='85'></a> Peter -----Original Message----- From: Nickus de Vos Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:09 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Windows 8 Hi all I was just wondering if any of you seen anything about windows 8 and if jaws 12 will work with it. Thing is from what I've heard the windows 8 interface is going to be dramatically redesigned to give it a fresh look, it is a atemt by microsoft to stay in the game along side apple. _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ############################################################################ ################################# ANY FEDERAL TAX ADVICE CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE SHOULD NOT BE USED OR REFERRED TO IN THE PROMOTING, MARKETING OR RECOMMENDING OF ANY ENTITY, INVESTMENT PLAN OR ARRANGEMENT, AND SUCH ADVICE IS NOT INTENDED OR WRITTEN TO BE USED, AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING PENALTIES UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE. ############################################################################ ################################# This E-mail message is confidential, is intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or otherwise protected by applicable law. 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Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking
Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...>
Yes but Apple charge every user much more for the hardware so that helps subsidise the accessibility side of things. Same with all the other Apple products with accessibility.
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From: Nickus de Vos Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking Agree with you guys but as I said don't put your hopes on narator or on FS dropping the price for jaws. Sure there will be a improvement in narator but doubt if it will be big enough to mean anything. The thing with FS is they don't give a rats ass for the individual which is us the users. That's what I like about voiceover, sure it's not yet up there with jaws but apple doesn't even ask $1000 for it but still they listen to every single one of their users. On 8/29/11, Chris Smart <@ve3rwj> wrote: Hi Ed._______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Windows 8
Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...>
The last thing I saw was that it doesn't support mirror drivers so JAWS is out for now. I think NVDA and system access works though with a few strange querks i.e. probelms with log on screen.
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From: Nickus de Vos Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:21 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Windows 8 First time I'm hearing about the narator thing but doubt if it will come anything close to jaws. I'm guessing they will try and go the same rout as apple with voiceover but that took apple a couple of years and it's still not perfected will be cool though if it actually works. Yes they will release public beta versions I guess late this year or very early next year, a few very unstable beta versions has already leeked on to the net, if I have some time I'll maybe look for one and try it. On 8/29/11, Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...> wrote: I know that they are making Narrator in to a full blown screen reader and is_______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Windows 8
Adi Kushnir <adikushnir@...>
Hi,
I tried it - most of the new parts dren't working well with J12 because Microsoft disabled the option to use the meeror driver.
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Re: Windows 8
Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
Yes agree with you on the speculation. Yes think they will make jaws
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13 with windows 8 in mind but it will really be a bummer if people have to update to jaws 13 just because 12 or even older versions doesn't work. To give you a example, I only upgraded to jaws 12 about a month ago, before I had 11 and I used windows 7 since it was released as a public beta back then think I had jaws 9 or 10 and it worked all the way. As I said if I have some time I'll try to find a leaked beta of windows 8 and try it.
On 8/29/11, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...> wrote:
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Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking
Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
Agree with you guys but as I said don't put your hopes on narator or
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on FS dropping the price for jaws. Sure there will be a improvement in narator but doubt if it will be big enough to mean anything. The thing with FS is they don't give a rats ass for the individual which is us the users. That's what I like about voiceover, sure it's not yet up there with jaws but apple doesn't even ask $1000 for it but still they listen to every single one of their users.
On 8/29/11, Chris Smart <@ve3rwj> wrote:
Hi Ed.
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Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking
Alan Dicey <adicey@...>
Hello Ed and Friends,
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I must disagree with you on your thoughts about "Free" screen reading programs coming out and causing the cost of traditional text to speech programs to go up. I should think the price of JAWS and Window-Eyes would drop considerably, the "Law of Supply and Demand" you understand. Just my thoughts, and of course you are entitled to your opinion. If nothing else, I would expect the manufacturers of the JAWS and Window-Eyes programs to strive for more "Excellence" in their product, if there is some competition out there. With Best Regards, Alan Miami, Florida Alan Dicey, President United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!" United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: http://AmericanBlindChess.org
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From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:37 PM Subject: RE: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking I haven't said much as the topics of JAWS alternatives have come up. Several have voiced some admiration for Apple and its built-in screen reader VoiceOver. I don't have a Mac, but I do have an iPhone. So, I know a little about VoiceOver, and I've been on the Mac lists. So, I know more than a little about it.
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Re: i Phone
James Homuth
One does this by first subscribing to the ViPhone Google Group and asking
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the question there, as this has absolutely nothing to do with JAWS. James, List Admin
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From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Kerri Sent: August-29-11 12:47 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: i Phone Hi, all. How does one enable the talking software in the Iphone and since they are flat, how does one use them? -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:38 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: RE: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking I haven't said much as the topics of JAWS alternatives have come up. Several have voiced some admiration for Apple and its built-in screen reader VoiceOver. I don't have a Mac, but I do have an iPhone. So, I know a little about VoiceOver, and I've been on the Mac lists. So, I know more than a little about it. Periodically, someone will mention NVDA, an open source free screen reader. I've used it, and the experience was far from satisfying. Now, we hear at least a rumor that Narrator will become a full-blown screen reader, however one defines "full blown." What troubles me is that as more and more people are satisfied with "good enough" because, after all, it is free, the number of those willing to fork over cash for the powerful screen readers like Window-Eyes and JAWS will drop. As that happens, the price will doubtless go up. Speaking from a purely personal perspective, I would hate to see that happen. I need things like track changes, support for styles, and other powerful features that go along with using Word to its fullest. NVDA, VoiceOver, and even System Access cannot compete at that level, having no functionality to touch either JAWS or Window-Eyes. Philosophically, I suppose I should shut up and take my medicine. One could argue that JAWS is artificially high-priced, forcing, or seeming to force, ordinary users to pay for features they don't want or need. Perhaps if I want the features, I should be willing to pay extra for them. I know JAWS now has two price levels, with a somewhat higher price for what I use -- Professional Version. Perhaps, in the future, what we will see is a JAWS light for $100 or so and a JAWS heavy duty for $5,000 or more. Ouch! Still, one has to consider the features one needs. I may not need all the cell reading functions in Excel, but I'm willing to pay for them to get the professional features I need in Word. I just think we should step back a little before we cavalierly express a willingness for "good enough." My guess is that "good enough" won't in fact be "good enough" just when it is needed most. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 11:12 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Windows 8 I know that they are making Narrator in to a full blown screen reader and is expected to be competition to JAWS. That said I think it's functionality still won't come close but then how much of the jaws features do we all use on the day to day basis at least for home use. Hopefully they will release a public beta like they did with Windows 7 as it was very successful. Peter 1. <a href= 'http://www.justgiving.com/Peter-Holdstock' alt='JustGiving - Sponsor me now!' target='_blank'><img src='http://www.justgiving.com/App_Themes/JustGiving/images/badges/badge10.g if' width='270' height='50'></a> 2. <a href='http://www.justgiving.com/Peter-Holdstock' alt='JustGiving - Sponsor me now!' target='_blank'><img src='http://www.justgiving.com/App_Themes/JustGiving/images/badges/badge9.gi f' width='120' height='90'></a> 3. <a href='http://www.justgiving.com/Peter-Holdstock' alt='JustGiving - Sponsor me now!' target='_blank'><img src='http://www.justgiving.com/App_Themes/JustGiving/images/badges/badge5.gi f' width='150' height='85'></a> Peter -----Original Message----- From: Nickus de Vos Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:09 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Windows 8 Hi all I was just wondering if any of you seen anything about windows 8 and if jaws 12 will work with it. Thing is from what I've heard the windows 8 interface is going to be dramatically redesigned to give it a fresh look, it is a atemt by microsoft to stay in the game along side apple. _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ############################################################################ ################################# ANY FEDERAL TAX ADVICE CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE SHOULD NOT BE USED OR REFERRED TO IN THE PROMOTING, MARKETING OR RECOMMENDING OF ANY ENTITY, INVESTMENT PLAN OR ARRANGEMENT, AND SUCH ADVICE IS NOT INTENDED OR WRITTEN TO BE USED, AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING PENALTIES UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE. ############################################################################ ################################# This E-mail message is confidential, is intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or otherwise protected by applicable law. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at 402-346-6000 and delete this E-mail message. Thank you. ############################################################################ ################################# _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Windows 8
Gerald Levy
Because Windows 8 has not yet been released, it is impossible to know whether JAWS 12 will work with it. I'm just speculating, but I would imagine that the next release of JAWS, JAWS 13 would be more likely to be compatible with Win 8 than JAWS 12.
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From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Windows 8 Hi all I was just wondering if any of you seen anything about windows
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