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Re: Living independence for the visually impaireds.

ken lawrence
 

This message is the latest message received my a user to this list from a
slime who has harvested emails from this lists and sending this crap to all
of us or some of us. Just another supporting the attack on Facebook by
hackers slated for November 5th. he sends this message as if we doubt him
and his truthfulness. I however believe he is actually a supporter of this
that is indicated by the statemen t, I have hated facebook through the ages.
his used of impairwed as a plural is proof he intends to attack the blind
through information gotten from this list. I'll bet that this link in his
messages is no youtube link at all but a virus. I sure ain't clicking
links to find outt so it's not jaws but a matter of security for all of us.
continue to report to google shut this nujt down before he really does
something big.

In a message dated 8/30/2011 7:21:07 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time (Me,
gutz2020@... writes:

Ok, 2 questions, what the hell does this have to do with jaws!!!!!!? And
what exactly is the problem here? Thank you!!!
Daniel


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Re: Living independence for the visually impaireds.

daniel <gutz2020@...>
 

Ok, 2 questions, what the hell does this have to do with jaws!!!!!!? And
what exactly is the problem here? Thank you!!!
Daniel


Living independence for the visually impaireds.

ken lawrence
 

Hello our racest islamic now prooved to support hacker group and is now
with this message sent below also Anti ACB and Anti NFB and likely a supporter
of the ideals of the movie blindness. not the word impaired is a plural.
this man must be stopped continue to report to google. Message to admin
Have referred this list and this harvester of our addresses to google and
have told them to refer to the racest email thread on this list. bet these
are virus or worm links not youtube. am reporting. anti blind message
follows.



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From: mostafa.almahdy@...
To: egl0@...
Sent: 8/29/2011 10:37:42 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time (M
Subj: Living independence for the visually impaireds.


Hello:
Swail House is a visually impairmentt independent living project , which
is brought by Action for blind people in the UK:
_http://www.actionforblindpeople.org.uk_
(http://www.actionforblindpeople.org.uk/)
And that's where various visually impaired and challenging individuals are
involved to exchange in a range of diverse a different independent living
skils , but the question is:
How realistically is effective such a project?
I have seen too many identical projects which are mainly targeting the
different periodical living skils for the visually impaireds , but regretfully
, I haven't recognize for once any project that aims to match the
visually impaired challenging individuals within the very regular society which
emphatically would increase the radical opportunities for being sufficiently
inadequate to cope with demands , lots of visually impaireds are
skillfully competent and prepared to well fulfill a task but they are partially
whether totally unrecognized because of this incorrect strategy that is
operated by the blindness organizations and institutions , the trouble isn't for
the lacking the tools and equipments that is owned by the blind people to
complement and facilitate their daily life activities , as all we are aware ,
technology is a constant state of innovation and evolvement , but the
human codes and postures are have to be consciously altered along the way ,
does anybody got my point?






Best Wishs.
It's always hope that gives meaning to life.
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Re: Proof reading scheme: announcing font size changes!

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Glad that Scheme worked; however, if you want to hear things differently, go to Settings Center and type SCHEME in the edit box. One of the results will be "MODIFY SCHEME."
You can create your own too, but there are enough that it is easier simply to modify one that is pretty close. Font change and font size changes are options. The Scheme settings are full of tab controls. So, you will need to use control tab quite a bit and listen closely to hear "tab control," but it is certainly manageable.
Now you have inspired me to check. I think the text analyzer may do also what you are looking for. If I know I'm the last person to review a document before it is printed and sent, I turn on the Proof Reading Scheme and the Text Analyzer. I know the Text Analyzer does catch font changes. I'm not sure if it catches changes in font size.
It also catches things like capitalization errors, open parenthesis without a close and the reverse, open quotes without a close, and so on.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Hamid Hamraz
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:45 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Proof reading scheme: announcing font size changes!

Hi,

Just found out that the classic with font info scheme does the trick for me.
Thank you for stimulating me to poke around with the schemes!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Loreal Lavigna" <llavigna2@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: Proof reading scheme: announcing font size changes!


Unfortunately if u can create new schemes I am unaware of how to do this at
the present time. What version of JFW are you using, and is it updated?
Perhaps someone else on the list could be more helpful. I don't know why
the scheme which reads out all proof reading changes is not working for you.
Are you having any other difficulty at all with JFW at present? If so, have
you tried repairing JFW?
HTH
Loreal
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-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: Proof reading scheme: announcing font size changes!

Hello,

There are 3 proof reading schemes for me:

attributes
attributes and font info
attributes, font info, colors

I tried all. None of them is announcing the font size changes. Is there a
way to create and personalize my own proof reading scheme (like profiles)?
If you have proof reading schemes other than above, can you send them to me
at hhamraz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Loreal Lavigna" <Llavigna2@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:08 PM
Subject: RE: Proof reading scheme: announcing font size changes!


Have you gone into your schemes and selected the proofreading scheme that
does announce styles, colors, font changes, etc.? To do this, use JAWS
Key
(desktop insert, or laptop caps lock) plus alt, plus S and keep pressing
the
letter P until you hear the proofreading scheme you want. If this does
not
work let me know and I'll try to help you as much as I possibly can.
Loreal

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Hamid Hamraz
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 3:34 AM
To: JFW
Subject: Proof reading scheme: announcing font size changes!

Dear all,

The proof reading scheme, in word 2007, does not announce font size
changes
for me. It is announcing every other changes such as bold, italic, etc,
but
not the size changes. Any suggestion on how to check a document for
unexpected font size changes?

Thanks,

Hamid
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Re: Proof reading scheme: announcing font size changes!

Hamid Hamraz
 

Hi,

Just found out that the classic with font info scheme does the trick for me. Thank you for stimulating me to poke around with the schemes!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Loreal Lavigna" <llavigna2@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: Proof reading scheme: announcing font size changes!


Unfortunately if u can create new schemes I am unaware of how to do this at the present time. What version of JFW are you using, and is it updated? Perhaps someone else on the list could be more helpful. I don't know why the scheme which reads out all proof reading changes is not working for you. Are you having any other difficulty at all with JFW at present? If so, have you tried repairing JFW?
HTH
Loreal
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

-----Original Message-----
From: "Hamid Hamraz" <hhamraz@...>
Sender: jfw-bounces@...
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 13:46:11
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.<jfw@...>
Reply-To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Subject: Re: Proof reading scheme: announcing font size changes!

Hello,

There are 3 proof reading schemes for me:

attributes
attributes and font info
attributes, font info, colors

I tried all. None of them is announcing the font size changes. Is there a
way to create and personalize my own proof reading scheme (like profiles)?
If you have proof reading schemes other than above, can you send them to me
at hhamraz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Loreal Lavigna" <Llavigna2@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:08 PM
Subject: RE: Proof reading scheme: announcing font size changes!


Have you gone into your schemes and selected the proofreading scheme that
does announce styles, colors, font changes, etc.? To do this, use JAWS
Key
(desktop insert, or laptop caps lock) plus alt, plus S and keep pressing
the
letter P until you hear the proofreading scheme you want. If this does
not
work let me know and I'll try to help you as much as I possibly can.
Loreal

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Hamid Hamraz
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 3:34 AM
To: JFW
Subject: Proof reading scheme: announcing font size changes!

Dear all,

The proof reading scheme, in word 2007, does not announce font size
changes
for me. It is announcing every other changes such as bold, italic, etc,
but
not the size changes. Any suggestion on how to check a document for
unexpected font size changes?

Thanks,

Hamid
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Re: Proof reading scheme: announcing font size changes!

Loreal Lavigna <llavigna2@...>
 

Unfortunately if u can create new schemes I am unaware of how to do this at the present time. What version of JFW are you using, and is it updated? Perhaps someone else on the list could be more helpful. I don't know why the scheme which reads out all proof reading changes is not working for you. Are you having any other difficulty at all with JFW at present? If so, have you tried repairing JFW?
HTH
Loreal
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

-----Original Message-----
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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 13:46:11
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.<jfw@...>
Reply-To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Subject: Re: Proof reading scheme: announcing font size changes!

Hello,

There are 3 proof reading schemes for me:

attributes
attributes and font info
attributes, font info, colors

I tried all. None of them is announcing the font size changes. Is there a
way to create and personalize my own proof reading scheme (like profiles)?
If you have proof reading schemes other than above, can you send them to me
at hhamraz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Loreal Lavigna" <Llavigna2@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:08 PM
Subject: RE: Proof reading scheme: announcing font size changes!


Have you gone into your schemes and selected the proofreading scheme that
does announce styles, colors, font changes, etc.? To do this, use JAWS
Key
(desktop insert, or laptop caps lock) plus alt, plus S and keep pressing
the
letter P until you hear the proofreading scheme you want. If this does
not
work let me know and I'll try to help you as much as I possibly can.
Loreal

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Hamid Hamraz
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 3:34 AM
To: JFW
Subject: Proof reading scheme: announcing font size changes!

Dear all,

The proof reading scheme, in word 2007, does not announce font size
changes
for me. It is announcing every other changes such as bold, italic, etc,
but
not the size changes. Any suggestion on how to check a document for
unexpected font size changes?

Thanks,

Hamid
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Re: Proof reading scheme: announcing font size changes!

Hamid Hamraz
 

Hello,

There are 3 proof reading schemes for me:

attributes
attributes and font info
attributes, font info, colors

I tried all. None of them is announcing the font size changes. Is there a way to create and personalize my own proof reading scheme (like profiles)? If you have proof reading schemes other than above, can you send them to me at hhamraz@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Loreal Lavigna" <Llavigna2@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:08 PM
Subject: RE: Proof reading scheme: announcing font size changes!


Have you gone into your schemes and selected the proofreading scheme that
does announce styles, colors, font changes, etc.? To do this, use JAWS Key
(desktop insert, or laptop caps lock) plus alt, plus S and keep pressing the
letter P until you hear the proofreading scheme you want. If this does not
work let me know and I'll try to help you as much as I possibly can.
Loreal

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Hamid Hamraz
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 3:34 AM
To: JFW
Subject: Proof reading scheme: announcing font size changes!

Dear all,

The proof reading scheme, in word 2007, does not announce font size changes
for me. It is announcing every other changes such as bold, italic, etc, but
not the size changes. Any suggestion on how to check a document for
unexpected font size changes?

Thanks,

Hamid
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Re: Proof reading scheme: announcing font size changes!

Loreal Lavigna <Llavigna2@...>
 

Have you gone into your schemes and selected the proofreading scheme that
does announce styles, colors, font changes, etc.? To do this, use JAWS Key
(desktop insert, or laptop caps lock) plus alt, plus S and keep pressing the
letter P until you hear the proofreading scheme you want. If this does not
work let me know and I'll try to help you as much as I possibly can.
Loreal

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Hamid Hamraz
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 3:34 AM
To: JFW
Subject: Proof reading scheme: announcing font size changes!

Dear all,

The proof reading scheme, in word 2007, does not announce font size changes
for me. It is announcing every other changes such as bold, italic, etc, but
not the size changes. Any suggestion on how to check a document for
unexpected font size changes?

Thanks,

Hamid
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Proof reading scheme: announcing font size changes!

Hamid Hamraz
 

Dear all,

The proof reading scheme, in word 2007, does not announce font size changes for me. It is announcing every other changes such as bold, italic, etc, but not the size changes. Any suggestion on how to check a document for unexpected font size changes?

Thanks,

Hamid
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Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

James Homuth
 

That's nice that you disagree. However, you were still comparing Voiceover
with Narator. That still doesn't belong on this list. If you wish to discuss
it further, you may do so. Off-list.

James,
List Admin

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock
Sent: August-30-11 2:58 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

James I disagree as I'd suggest it's important for anyone who is considering
to either potentially buy JAWS or a Mac for the first time, or pay for an
upgrade once JAWS 13 is released to be able to have an honest view of what
other screen reading software has to offer and how their development might
be affected by changes to operating systems etc..

Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: James Homuth
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 11:03 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Ahem. Actually...

You were comparing Voiceover with Narator. This is not a Voiceover list.
This is not a Narator list. Therefore, yes, you did go off-topic. That it
expanded from there to how hardware is priced? Not exactly relevant, as both
are just as off-topic.

James,
List Admin

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: August-29-11 5:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Hi Howard, Yes I'm still using jaws have a desktop and laptop running jaws
but I use a mac at my workplace. I never said voiceover is better than jaws,
if you read my previous posts I spesifically said voiceover is not quite up
there with jaws. I know this is a jaws list and yes I was the one who
started to talk about apple but I was comparing apples voiceover and what we
speculate about what windows wants to do with their narator and to me
comparing voiceover to where we think they want to take narator is valid
points. The other guys started to talk about apple pricing but we did not
once go off topic.

On 8/29/11, Howard <hwolcott@...> wrote:
hi:
I notice you are still on this jaws list so you must still be using
jaws so I guess voice over on the mac is not the best.
if you have a mac then you don't need jaws so quit clutterin up my
inbox about the mac.
this is a jaws list, not a mac list.


howard wolcott

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@...>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:14 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Subject: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Don't quite agree with you there. Yes apple hardware is more
expensive but it's not to finance side projects like accessibility.
If windows wanted to, they could have made narator in to what
voiceover is today by just putting some efort in to it and
interacting more with their users. My view of apples expensive
hardware is that it's more expensive for a reason, you get what you
pay for, e.g. a apple computer would last you a lot longer than a pc
plus the hardware and software are designed for each other where with
pc drivers must be written for every piece of the pc just to talk to
the
other bits.
Let's not go off topic here, I just think apple was smarter than
windows in making accessibility more of a priority a few years ago,
these roomers of narator becoming a full on screen reader, if you ask
me it's windows realising apple was rite in the first place
concerning accessibility but now they will have to try to play catch up.

On 8/29/11, Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...> wrote:
Yes but Apple charge every user much more for the hardware so that
helps subsidise the accessibility side of things. Same with all the
other Apple products with accessibility.

Peter





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-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Agree with you guys but as I said don't put your hopes on narator or
on FS dropping the price for jaws. Sure there will be a improvement
in narator but doubt if it will be big enough to mean anything. The
thing with FS is they don't give a rats ass for the individual which
is us the users. That's what I like about voiceover, sure it's not
yet up there with jaws but apple doesn't even ask $1000 for it but
still they listen to every single one of their users.

On 8/29/11, Chris Smart <@ve3rwj> wrote:
Hi Ed.

I agree with you on all points! Most of the applications I use on a
daily basis, besides email and web browsing, require scripting
support from Jaws. If we all go for the lowest common denominator,
even if it's free, some people will literally lose their livlihoods.


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Re: boot into safe mode using jaws

Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...>
 

Perhaps that could be another revenue stream for companies like FS. They could offer PC tech support over the phone and through remote desktops. I wouldn't necessarily have staff sitting there just doing that though as the number of visually impaired users needing support will be low but they could have one or two staff who have had additional training to be able to troubleshoot the more common PC difficulties.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:41 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: boot into safe mode using jaws

all good points Gerald.
I've talked to people who have had good dealings with people from
Geek Squad, but you're still stuck with trying to figure out if the
particular person knows his or her stuff.

Usually I try to find someone through friends/family, friends of
friends etc. Luckily, one of my adult guitar students is also an IT
guy for a major bank. I haven't had to call him up in an emergency
yet, but I'd like to think that he would be competant.

Chris


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Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...>
 

James I disagree as I'd suggest it's important for anyone who is considering to either potentially buy JAWS or a Mac for the first time, or pay for an upgrade once JAWS 13 is released to be able to have an honest view of what other screen reading software has to offer and how their development might be affected by changes to operating systems etc..

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: James Homuth
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 11:03 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Ahem. Actually...

You were comparing Voiceover with Narator. This is not a Voiceover list.
This is not a Narator list. Therefore, yes, you did go off-topic. That it
expanded from there to how hardware is priced? Not exactly relevant, as both
are just as off-topic.

James,
List Admin

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: August-29-11 5:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Hi Howard, Yes I'm still using jaws have a desktop and laptop running jaws
but I use a mac at my workplace. I never said voiceover is better than jaws,
if you read my previous posts I spesifically said voiceover is not quite up
there with jaws. I know this is a jaws list and yes I was the one who
started to talk about apple but I was comparing apples voiceover and what we
speculate about what windows wants to do with their narator and to me
comparing voiceover to where we think they want to take narator is valid
points. The other guys started to talk about apple pricing but we did not
once go off topic.

On 8/29/11, Howard <hwolcott@...> wrote:
hi:
I notice you are still on this jaws list so you must still be using
jaws so I guess voice over on the mac is not the best.
if you have a mac then you don't need jaws so quit clutterin up my
inbox about the mac.
this is a jaws list, not a mac list.


howard wolcott

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From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@...>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:14 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Subject: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Don't quite agree with you there. Yes apple hardware is more
expensive but it's not to finance side projects like accessibility.
If windows wanted to, they could have made narator in to what
voiceover is today by just putting some efort in to it and
interacting more with their users. My view of apples expensive
hardware is that it's more expensive for a reason, you get what you
pay for, e.g. a apple computer would last you a lot longer than a pc
plus the hardware and software are designed for each other where with
pc drivers must be written for every piece of the pc just to talk to the
other bits.
Let's not go off topic here, I just think apple was smarter than
windows in making accessibility more of a priority a few years ago,
these roomers of narator becoming a full on screen reader, if you ask
me it's windows realising apple was rite in the first place
concerning accessibility but now they will have to try to play catch up.

On 8/29/11, Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...> wrote:
Yes but Apple charge every user much more for the hardware so that
helps subsidise the accessibility side of things. Same with all the
other Apple products with accessibility.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Agree with you guys but as I said don't put your hopes on narator or
on FS dropping the price for jaws. Sure there will be a improvement
in narator but doubt if it will be big enough to mean anything. The
thing with FS is they don't give a rats ass for the individual which
is us the users. That's what I like about voiceover, sure it's not
yet up there with jaws but apple doesn't even ask $1000 for it but
still they listen to every single one of their users.

On 8/29/11, Chris Smart <@ve3rwj> wrote:
Hi Ed.

I agree with you on all points! Most of the applications I use on a
daily basis, besides email and web browsing, require scripting
support from Jaws. If we all go for the lowest common denominator,
even if it's free, some people will literally lose their livlihoods.


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Re: MS word 2010 short cut key question

inthane <inthaneelf@...>
 

that, and I have no clue with the new ribbon methods, but word used to keep track of the last place you opened files from, and had a setting in options for where it stored and as well looked for its files that could be set, you may wish to look into what the hot key for the file list menu is in the open dialog (turn announce hotkeys to the "all" setting and use the dialog paying attention to what it says in there, and see if you can find the options settings section and make it look in your drive instead of in "My Documents" for saving and there for opening of files.

HTH,
elf
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Debbie Kessler" <jessesgirl@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: MS word 2010 short cut key question


Eric, open the files you need to switch between and leave them open. Use
"alt + tab" to switch between and through your open files. Hope this helps
Debbie, Chaz & Jessie
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Caron" <ecaron1@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 9:02 AM
Subject: MS word 2010 short cut key question


Dear list,

First, this is a real question but it is also a test message as I have not
received mail from this list for several weeks. I finally re-subscribed
with a different account. I sure hope you are all back!

This relates to a earlier question I asked about MS Word 2010. When I do
control O to get the dialogue to get a file is there a short cut key to take
me to the list where my thumb drive will be listed? If not is there a way I
can create one. In my work I am opening and closing many files quickly. I
add info save and move on to another file.

Thanks for any tips and I hope I'm back.

Eric Caron
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Re: e-mails

Pat Seed
 

Hi Everyone,
This could be an automatic responder message. I have seen this kind of message when there has been a serious illness or injury in the family. I am not saying that something has happened in this case. However, let's stop here and let James or someone else who can unsubscribe this person help.
Thanks.
Blessings and All the Best,
Pat Seed

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Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Dave Scrimenti <dscrimenti@...>
 

Or the 3rd option is that the free alternatives put the paid screen readers out of business. What I'd really like to see is Microsoft take over Jaws or WindowEyes rather than try to improve Narrator. Then we'd have a comprehensive screen reader which would be better integrated in to the OS, and cost no extra money, just like Voiceover.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve" <k8sp@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking


You don't understand supply-and-demand, Buddy, ceteris paribus, that would be true. But, here you have a limited market which would get smaller, and relatively high research-and-development and customer support costs which have to be ammortized across a smaller market. As the niche market contracts, one of two things will happen:

1. To maintain the same R&D and support, the price would have to increase as it is serving a smaller user base; or,
2. Screen-reader improvements would be made less often if at all, because there isn't a large enough market to support the programming.

Steve


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:52 PM
Subject: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking


Hello Ed and Friends,
I must disagree with you on your thoughts about "Free" screen reading programs coming out and causing the cost of traditional text to speech programs to go up.
I should think the price of JAWS and Window-Eyes would drop considerably, the "Law of Supply and Demand" you understand.

Just my thoughts, and of course you are entitled to your opinion.

If nothing else, I would expect the manufacturers of the JAWS and Window-Eyes programs to strive for more "Excellence" in their product, if there is some competition out there.

With Best Regards,
Alan
Miami, Florida
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----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking


I haven't said much as the topics of JAWS alternatives have come up. Several have voiced some admiration for Apple and its built-in screen reader VoiceOver. I don't have a Mac, but I do have an iPhone. So, I know a little about VoiceOver, and I've been on the Mac lists. So, I know more than a little about it.
Periodically, someone will mention NVDA, an open source free screen reader. I've used it, and the experience was far from satisfying. Now, we hear at least a rumor that Narrator will become a full-blown screen reader, however one defines "full blown."
What troubles me is that as more and more people are satisfied with "good enough" because, after all, it is free, the number of those willing to fork over cash for the powerful screen readers like Window-Eyes and JAWS will drop. As that happens, the price will doubtless go up.
Speaking from a purely personal perspective, I would hate to see that happen. I need things like track changes, support for styles, and other powerful features that go along with using Word to its fullest.
NVDA, VoiceOver, and even System Access cannot compete at that level, having no functionality to touch either JAWS or Window-Eyes.
Philosophically, I suppose I should shut up and take my medicine. One could argue that JAWS is artificially high-priced, forcing, or seeming to force, ordinary users to pay for features they don't want or need.
Perhaps if I want the features, I should be willing to pay extra for them.
I know JAWS now has two price levels, with a somewhat higher price for what I use -- Professional Version.
Perhaps, in the future, what we will see is a JAWS light for $100 or so and a JAWS heavy duty for $5,000 or more. Ouch!
Still, one has to consider the features one needs. I may not need all the cell reading functions in Excel, but I'm willing to pay for them to get the professional features I need in Word. I just think we should step back a little before we cavalierly express a willingness for "good enough." My guess is that "good enough" won't in fact be "good enough" just when it is needed most.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 11:12 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8

I know that they are making Narrator in to a full blown screen reader and is
expected to be competition to JAWS. That said I think it's functionality
still won't come close but then how much of the jaws features do we all use
on the day to day basis at least for home use. Hopefully they will release a
public beta like they did with Windows 7 as it was very successful.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 8

Hi all I was just wondering if any of you seen anything about windows
8 and if jaws 12 will work with it. Thing is from what I've heard the
windows 8 interface is going to be dramatically redesigned to give it
a fresh look, it is a atemt by microsoft to stay in the game along
side apple.

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Re: e-mail

Sugar <sugarsyl71@...>
 

Chris
thanks so much, I keep geting e mails saying this.
sugar
'Be Blessed ~Sugar

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Re: [Bulk] e-mail

Dave...
 

Chris, I think he's spamming us. Notice the "scrubbing" message?

Dave Carlson
Produced on a Nokia N95 using Nuance TALKS screen-reading software.

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Re: e-mail

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Re: Related to call centers, has anyone worked with Contractxchange?

Matthew Bullis <matthewbullis@...>
 

I haven't heard of ContractXChange before, but I wonder if it's similar to the My Ticket To Work folks. The Social Security Administration touted that one as a work from home opportunity which wouldn't jeopardize your benefits, but the software wasn't accessible with Jaws, which was too bad.
Matthew


Re: Jaws in a call center environment

don wardlow <wardlows97@...>
 

The beginning of August. I should have started work August 8 if the bums had
workable software. They use "Adobe conference," or some such thing, and 7
hours of futility left me with no job with them.

Don

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On Behalf Of Mike Mote
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:36 PM
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Subject: Re: Jaws in a call center environment

Don, how recently did you try with Cloud 10?

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I used it in two real call centers with great success. A friend of mine
also
is flourishing at Verizon in their call center.
Virtual is something else again.
Cloud 10 Corporation's virtual environment will not work with JAWS 12. We
worked with that company 7 hours trying to make it work, but it wouldn't.
The other major virtual company, Alpine Access, I don't know if their
software works with JAWS or if it doesn't.

Don
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Hi folks! I wanted to ask if anyone has ever used jaws in a call center
work environment. I may be taking a job soon that requires me to work in
a
virtual call center. I'm really interested to see how jaws reacts.
Anyone
ever had experience with this before?
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