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Re: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

ken lawrence
 

You gottten em Huh? that prooves he's a fake. he I accidentally hit an r instead of an F he was told and he even had the guts to reply I told this mostafa he'll be sent to the government every time.also alerted my facebook friends.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

that works too, but it doesn't discourage the sender from
continuing to annoy people.

At 11:47 PM 8/21/2011, you wrote:
I just block the email senders whose messages I no longer wish to receive. Plus I have a program on my blackberry which does much of the same.
Loreal
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart <@ve3rwj>
Sender: jfw-bounces@...
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 23:41:37
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.<jfw@...>
Reply-To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: <blindwindows7@...>; <ddots-l@...>
Subject: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

I wasn't going to post on this matter again. However, I quickly
found the place to report abuse to Gmail.l.

I believe Mostafa Al'Mahdy harvested my email address from this or
similar blindness-related listserves. Since he has chosen to
ignore my public and private requests to not be mailed any more of
his political rantings, I have reported him to Gmail. Those of you
receiving similar mail may wish to do likewise.
The form at this URL requests message headers, gmail user id of the
offending party, and the message body of one of the offending
emails, so be sure to have that handy to paste into the right places.

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=abuse

Chris


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Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] To upgrade or not

Dave...
 

Adrian,

Yes, but if Cliff has an SMA linked to version 11, he is already in a
position where he either needs to purchase a new SMA to get version 12 (if
it's not already too late), or pay full price to get version 12 plus SMA for
version 13.

In other words, if he has 10 and an SMA the best he can do is 11 -- which in
my opinion is the best version out so far.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 21:43
Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] To upgrade or not


Dave, I think Cliff is saying he has an SMA for versions 11 and 12 but has
chosen to stay with JAWS 10.

Cliff, I suggest you install JAWS 11 and, only after that, JAWS 12. I find
JAWS 11, latest build, works pretty well. I've been discouraged by comments
on this list from installing JAWS 12, but doing so won't hurt your ability
to use JAWS 11. Then you can make your own tests to determine which works
better on your system and for your purposes.

Keep in mind that if you are an Excel user, Dave has demonstrated the
problems JAWS 12 has with Excel that JAWS 11 doesn't. If you are an MS
Access user, Ted has explained that only JAWS 10 works with it and not
versions 11 and 12.

I switch between different versions, going back to JAWS 9, based on what I
know works with each one.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:33 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] To upgrade or not

Cliff,

Either way, if you have an SMA with version 10 you are allowed version 11 at
no extra charge. Version 12 will cost you. It doesn't matter if you choose
to skip a version, you are still not going to get an extra version.

So if you do have an SMA for version 10 you are already at the point where
you need to purchase a new SMA or buy JAWS at the regular street price.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Self" <cliff@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 17:04
Subject: [Bulk] To upgrade or not


I'm currently running Jaws 10 on an XP Home. My SMA entitles me to upgrade
to 11 or 12. Is there a compelling reason why I should do either. From the
previous thread, it sounds like the juryy's out on 12. Is 11 a vast
improvement over 10?

Cliff


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this has no pertinnance. [Bulk] Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

Shane Davidson <shane@...>
 

Folks;
This has nothing to do with JAWS or it's operations.
Information like this should be forwarded to the list owner/admins at
Jfw-owner@...
They in turn will decide weather it needs to be posted on list.
The information is helpful, but should be coming from list owners/admins and
not the casual user.
Please take this discussion off list.
Thanks.
Shane

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Tim
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:49 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

I once had trouble with someone from another list refusing to take me off
his list. He persisted in sending me stories he wrote that were so full of
profanity that there was absolutely no appreciable art in them. I just black

listed his email address. I received a few emails shortly after that--none
of which I responded to. I have not received a single email from him for
quite some time.

Tim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi


Chris and Ken,

Thanks for both those addresses. I'll make sure to send the next one to
them. Sure I can block them to my deleted items, but I don't want any
association with him and just receiving his mail makes me feel dirty by
association.

His refusal to remove me from his list on request is harassment.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 20:58
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi


that works too, but it doesn't discourage the sender from
continuing to annoy people.

At 11:47 PM 8/21/2011, you wrote:
I just block the email senders whose messages I no longer wish to
receive. Plus I have a program on my blackberry which does much
of the same.
Loreal
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart <@ve3rwj>
Sender: jfw-bounces@...
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 23:41:37
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.<jfw@...>
Reply-To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: <blindwindows7@...>; <ddots-l@...>
Subject: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

I wasn't going to post on this matter again. However, I quickly
found the place to report abuse to Gmail.l.

I believe Mostafa Al'Mahdy harvested my email address from this or
similar blindness-related listserves. Since he has chosen to
ignore my public and private requests to not be mailed any more of
his political rantings, I have reported him to Gmail. Those of you
receiving similar mail may wish to do likewise.
The form at this URL requests message headers, gmail user id of the
offending party, and the message body of one of the offending
emails, so be sure to have that handy to paste into the right places.

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=abuse

Chris


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Re: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

Charles Coe
 

Got his messages also. Wasn't sure if others received them.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Ken Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

You gottten em Huh? that prooves he's a fake. he I accidentally hit an r
instead of an F he was told and he even had the guts to reply I told this
mostafa he'll be sent to the government every time.also alerted my facebook
friends.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

that works too, but it doesn't discourage the sender from continuing to
annoy people.

At 11:47 PM 8/21/2011, you wrote:
I just block the email senders whose messages I no longer wish to receive.
Plus I have a program on my blackberry which does much of the same.
Loreal
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart <@ve3rwj>
Sender: jfw-bounces@...
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 23:41:37
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.<jfw@...>
Reply-To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: <blindwindows7@...>; <ddots-l@...>
Subject: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

I wasn't going to post on this matter again. However, I quickly found
the place to report abuse to Gmail.l.

I believe Mostafa Al'Mahdy harvested my email address from this or
similar blindness-related listserves. Since he has chosen to ignore my
public and private requests to not be mailed any more of his political
rantings, I have reported him to Gmail. Those of you receiving similar
mail may wish to do likewise.
The form at this URL requests message headers, gmail user id of the
offending party, and the message body of one of the offending emails,
so be sure to have that handy to paste into the right places.

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=abuse

Chris


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Re: [Bulk] Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

Tim <tim@...>
 

I once had trouble with someone from another list refusing to take me off his list. He persisted in sending me stories he wrote that were so full of profanity that there was absolutely no appreciable art in them. I just black listed his email address. I received a few emails shortly after that--none of which I responded to. I have not received a single email from him for quite some time.

Tim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi


Chris and Ken,

Thanks for both those addresses. I'll make sure to send the next one to
them. Sure I can block them to my deleted items, but I don't want any
association with him and just receiving his mail makes me feel dirty by
association.

His refusal to remove me from his list on request is harassment.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 20:58
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi


that works too, but it doesn't discourage the sender from
continuing to annoy people.

At 11:47 PM 8/21/2011, you wrote:
I just block the email senders whose messages I no longer wish to
receive. Plus I have a program on my blackberry which does much
of the same.
Loreal
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart <@ve3rwj>
Sender: jfw-bounces@...
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 23:41:37
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.<jfw@...>
Reply-To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: <blindwindows7@...>; <ddots-l@...>
Subject: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

I wasn't going to post on this matter again. However, I quickly
found the place to report abuse to Gmail.l.

I believe Mostafa Al'Mahdy harvested my email address from this or
similar blindness-related listserves. Since he has chosen to
ignore my public and private requests to not be mailed any more of
his political rantings, I have reported him to Gmail. Those of you
receiving similar mail may wish to do likewise.
The form at this URL requests message headers, gmail user id of the
offending party, and the message body of one of the offending
emails, so be sure to have that handy to paste into the right places.

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=abuse

Chris


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Re: [Bulk] To upgrade or not

Adrian Spratt
 

Dave, I think Cliff is saying he has an SMA for versions 11 and 12 but has
chosen to stay with JAWS 10.

Cliff, I suggest you install JAWS 11 and, only after that, JAWS 12. I find
JAWS 11, latest build, works pretty well. I've been discouraged by comments
on this list from installing JAWS 12, but doing so won't hurt your ability
to use JAWS 11. Then you can make your own tests to determine which works
better on your system and for your purposes.

Keep in mind that if you are an Excel user, Dave has demonstrated the
problems JAWS 12 has with Excel that JAWS 11 doesn't. If you are an MS
Access user, Ted has explained that only JAWS 10 works with it and not
versions 11 and 12.

I switch between different versions, going back to JAWS 9, based on what I
know works with each one.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:33 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] To upgrade or not

Cliff,

Either way, if you have an SMA with version 10 you are allowed version 11 at
no extra charge. Version 12 will cost you. It doesn't matter if you choose
to skip a version, you are still not going to get an extra version.

So if you do have an SMA for version 10 you are already at the point where
you need to purchase a new SMA or buy JAWS at the regular street price.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Self" <cliff@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 17:04
Subject: [Bulk] To upgrade or not


I'm currently running Jaws 10 on an XP Home. My SMA entitles me to upgrade
to 11 or 12. Is there a compelling reason why I should do either. From the
previous thread, it sounds like the juryy's out on 12. Is 11 a vast
improvement over 10?

Cliff


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Re: [Bulk] Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

Dave...
 

Chris and Ken,

Thanks for both those addresses. I'll make sure to send the next one to
them. Sure I can block them to my deleted items, but I don't want any
association with him and just receiving his mail makes me feel dirty by
association.

His refusal to remove me from his list on request is harassment.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 20:58
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi


that works too, but it doesn't discourage the sender from
continuing to annoy people.

At 11:47 PM 8/21/2011, you wrote:
I just block the email senders whose messages I no longer wish to
receive. Plus I have a program on my blackberry which does much
of the same.
Loreal
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart <@ve3rwj>
Sender: jfw-bounces@...
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 23:41:37
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.<jfw@...>
Reply-To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: <blindwindows7@...>; <ddots-l@...>
Subject: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

I wasn't going to post on this matter again. However, I quickly
found the place to report abuse to Gmail.l.

I believe Mostafa Al'Mahdy harvested my email address from this or
similar blindness-related listserves. Since he has chosen to
ignore my public and private requests to not be mailed any more of
his political rantings, I have reported him to Gmail. Those of you
receiving similar mail may wish to do likewise.
The form at this URL requests message headers, gmail user id of the
offending party, and the message body of one of the offending
emails, so be sure to have that handy to paste into the right places.

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=abuse

Chris


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Re: [Bulk] To upgrade or not

Dave...
 

Cliff,

Either way, if you have an SMA with version 10 you are allowed version 11 at
no extra charge. Version 12 will cost you. It doesn't matter if you choose
to skip a version, you are still not going to get an extra version.

So if you do have an SMA for version 10 you are already at the point where
you need to purchase a new SMA or buy JAWS at the regular street price.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Self" <cliff@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 17:04
Subject: [Bulk] To upgrade or not


I'm currently running Jaws 10 on an XP Home. My SMA entitles me to upgrade
to 11 or 12. Is there a compelling reason why I should do either. From the
previous thread, it sounds like the juryy's out on 12. Is 11 a vast
improvement over 10?

Cliff


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Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Dave...
 

Narrator. Wouldn't that work?
Dave Carlson
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to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 15:31
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12



But how can you install JAWS for the first time from the FS download site on
a new computer if you don't have speech to begin with? Obviously, you have
to be able to visit the FS download page and locate the JAWS download link,
which would require speech or sighted help. Am I missing something?

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12


Gerald,

No, and no.

You can install JAWS from the web version for the very first time on a new
computer. I've done this more than once. The CD is not required, as long
as
you know your authorization code. Have you written it somewhere in a very
safe place?

Adrian answered your other question.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 13:08
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12



Don't you need the installation CD to install JAWS on a new computer for
the
first time? Also, when you upgrade your SMA aren't you given a new
20-digit
authorization code that has to be entered during the installation?

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12


Takes a few weeks. You can shorten the time by just downloading the
installer from the web site. It works either way.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:43
Subject: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12



Okay, here's a dumb question. If you upgrade your SMA online, will FS
send
you an installation CD for the version of JAWS you are upgrading to? If
so,
how long does it take for them to send it? The FS web site doesn't make
this clear.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12


Gerald went to the FS website and corrected what I was careful to say
was
a
guess. If you count the cost of SMAs for those of us who stayed current
from
JAWS 7 to 12, FS's $400 price tag for JAWS 12 from 7 looks cheap.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Karen Hughes
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

who ever said anything about fair. they do this to everyone. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12



Full price! You mean FS doesn't even give you a break if you are
already
a loyal JAWS user? So somebody who is using an older version of JAWS
like
JAWS 7 or 8 would pay the same $1000 for JAWS 12 as somebody who has
never
used JAWS before? This just doesn't seem fair.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12


Check with FS in the morning, but I suspect your friend would be asked
to
pay full price. I suggest waiting for the release of JAWS 13, which I
believe is anticipated in November. This way if your friend bought an
SMA
at
the same time, s/he would be eligible to upgrade to JAWS 14 without
additional charge. In addition, many listers have reported flaws in
JAWS
12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. I'm
assuming
someone using JAWS 7 hasn't yet switched to Windows 7. I still use XP
Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11,
even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12.

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Subject: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Has anyone move from jaws 7 to 12 and if so how much did it cost?
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Re: Convert Kindle Books Programs!

inthane <inthaneelf@...>
 

you can find them here,


http://trades.alacorncomputer.com/downloads/kindle_converter.zip

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----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Convert Kindle Books Programs!


Hello, I see that someone gave an expired link. Are the tools hard to
find, and do they work well enough with Jaws, or are they specifically
designed with screen reading in mind? My interest for this is to read these
books on the Braille Note, and not necessarily with Jaws on the computer. I
hadn't found any info or recordings about how to convert Kinddle books into
a more accessible format, so I'm glad someone brought the topic back up.
Thanks a lot.
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Re: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

that works too, but it doesn't discourage the sender from continuing to annoy people.

At 11:47 PM 8/21/2011, you wrote:
I just block the email senders whose messages I no longer wish to receive. Plus I have a program on my blackberry which does much of the same.
Loreal
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart <@ve3rwj>
Sender: jfw-bounces@...
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 23:41:37
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.<jfw@...>
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Cc: <blindwindows7@...>; <ddots-l@...>
Subject: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

I wasn't going to post on this matter again. However, I quickly
found the place to report abuse to Gmail.l.

I believe Mostafa Al'Mahdy harvested my email address from this or
similar blindness-related listserves. Since he has chosen to
ignore my public and private requests to not be mailed any more of
his political rantings, I have reported him to Gmail. Those of you
receiving similar mail may wish to do likewise.
The form at this URL requests message headers, gmail user id of the
offending party, and the message body of one of the offending
emails, so be sure to have that handy to paste into the right places.

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=abuse

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Re: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

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I just block the email senders whose messages I no longer wish to receive. Plus I have a program on my blackberry which does much of the same.
Loreal
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

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Sender: jfw-bounces@...
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Cc: <blindwindows7@...>; <ddots-l@...>
Subject: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

I wasn't going to post on this matter again. However, I quickly
found the place to report abuse to Gmail.l.

I believe Mostafa Al'Mahdy harvested my email address from this or
similar blindness-related listserves. Since he has chosen to
ignore my public and private requests to not be mailed any more of
his political rantings, I have reported him to Gmail. Those of you
receiving similar mail may wish to do likewise.
The form at this URL requests message headers, gmail user id of the
offending party, and the message body of one of the offending
emails, so be sure to have that handy to paste into the right places.

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=abuse

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Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

I wasn't going to post on this matter again. However, I quickly found the place to report abuse to Gmail.l.

I believe Mostafa Al'Mahdy harvested my email address from this or similar blindness-related listserves. Since he has chosen to ignore my public and private requests to not be mailed any more of his political rantings, I have reported him to Gmail. Those of you receiving similar mail may wish to do likewise.
The form at this URL requests message headers, gmail user id of the offending party, and the message body of one of the offending emails, so be sure to have that handy to paste into the right places.

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=abuse

Chris


Re:

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

here we go again :)

At 08:13 PM 8/21/2011, you wrote:
Help- I need to get removed off the list!!!!!
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Re: What to do about XP machines

inthane <inthaneelf@...>
 

I and my housemates have a house full of XP machines, and I have J 12 on 2 of them, but run J 11 on all of them, so I'd save the headaches for the new machine.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@...>
To: "Jaws users e-mail list" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:27 AM
Subject: What to do about XP machines


Hello, everyone.

In a recent post, I believe Adrian said the following:

"Many listers have reported flaws in JAWS 12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. ... I still use XP Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11, even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12."

The timing for this comment couldn't have been better in my case.

Although this is likely to change soon as my University switches us all completely over to Windows 7, my desktop at work is still an XP machine, and still has Jaws 11. The back-up PC I have at home is an XP machine, and that too has Jaws 11.

So, is the collective wisdom of the group to keep things as they are now on the XP machines, rather than installing Jaws 12 which seems to be geared more to Windows 7?

If this is true, you guys have just saved me some head-aches with my remaining XP computers, and I thank you sincerely for that.

I'll save my headaches for installing Jaws 12 on the new Windows 7 laptop the University will give me this week. (smile)

Tom in Michigan


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Re: Question on activation count

inthane <inthaneelf@...>
 

much more nicely said than I but yes, you have the heart of my trouble with this persons statement.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: Question on activation count


Gerald:

Who are people like you to say how many computers an individual should own or not. For your current personal needs, you have decided that you only need one computer. So, that is fine for you.

Why a particular person needs to use more than one computer, in order to perform the functions of their job or, to run a business, is none of yours or, anybody else's business. Neither should an individual have to justify to you or, anybody else, why they need to use more than one computer, in order for them to be able to perform those functions.

If you had bothered to read the JAWS license Agreement, you would have discovered, under the section titled, "COPYING THE PROGRAM", the last sentence of the first paragraph reads,

*** beginning quotation from Jaws License Agreement ***

The Licensee may install and use the program on more than one machine, but only one machine may be used at a time.

*** End quotation from Jaws License Agreement ***

It is Freedom Scientific, which has decided that up to three activation codes are granted to an individual user. This has not been specifically stated in the JAWS License Agreement. Freedom Scientific has granted this number of activation codes for a personal licensed user, as a discretion, not a right. So, therefore, Freedom Scientific, can and may, vary this count, with, or without notice.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: Question on activation count



Why does anyone need more than one or two computers for personal use? The people who run into problems with their activation counts seem to own a zillion computers. This is absurd. Any blind computer user who owns more than two computers deserves to be scrutinized by FS.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 10:04 PM
Subject: RE: Question on activation count


Steve, a small objection from one who has requested new activations only
twice in nearly two decades. Agreed, requesting a lot of activations could
indicate usage outside the terms of our agreement with FS. However, it's
clear that many people here need activations for reasons to do with the
number of systems they have, the hardware upgrades they install, the
occasional mistakes they make, and so on. FS has a right to protect its
revenue source, but it does come at a cost to customers of the unrestricted
use of a program we paid generously for.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 4:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Question on activation count

Very good as long as you don't ask for an increase in counts on a weekend
and as long as you aren't abusing it by asking for a lot of key recount
increases.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Question on activation count


That's what I thought, so my next question is "How liberal is FS
when it comes to getting your activation count re-set if needed?

Tom in Michigan


----- Original Message -----
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: RE: Question on activation count


Hello there;

No, you will only receive 3
Regardless of which version you use,


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:29 PM
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Subject: Question on activation count

Hi, all.

I'm between computers here, and have a question about Jaws activation
counts.

I know I could call FS about this, but figured I might get a quicker
answer from the list.

Regarding activations, does a single-license Jaws user like myself
have a given number of activations for each separate version of Jaws,
or is the allotted number of 3 activations constant across all
versions of Jaws collectively?

I am getting a couple of new computers set up for both office and
home, and

am trying to figure out how best to proceed, while still keeping an
older Windows XP machine around as a back-up in case that is needed as
well.

I have Jaws 12, but a few earlier versions of Jaws that I could
probably use if neded, if that would give me more activations to work
with.

Thanks!

Tom from Michigan



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Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Pat Byrne
 

I recently put JFW on a new computer at the office. Downloaded both JFW 12 32 and 64 bit versions to a thumb drive and had it ready to load to the new computer. Had our serial number - called F S to get the 20 digit number which they e-mailed. Very simple operation.
Pat ByrneAt 05:31 PM 8/21/2011, you wrote:

But how can you install JAWS for the first time from the FS download site on a new computer if you don't have speech to begin with? Obviously, you have to be able to visit the FS download page and locate the JAWS download link, which would require speech or sighted help. Am I missing something?

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12


Gerald,

No, and no.

You can install JAWS from the web version for the very first time on a new
computer. I've done this more than once. The CD is not required, as long as
you know your authorization code. Have you written it somewhere in a very
safe place?

Adrian answered your other question.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 13:08
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12



Don't you need the installation CD to install JAWS on a new computer for the
first time? Also, when you upgrade your SMA aren't you given a new 20-digit
authorization code that has to be entered during the installation?

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12


Takes a few weeks. You can shorten the time by just downloading the
installer from the web site. It works either way.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:43
Subject: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12



Okay, here's a dumb question. If you upgrade your SMA online, will FS
send
you an installation CD for the version of JAWS you are upgrading to? If
so,
how long does it take for them to send it? The FS web site doesn't make
this clear.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12


Gerald went to the FS website and corrected what I was careful to say was
a
guess. If you count the cost of SMAs for those of us who stayed current
from
JAWS 7 to 12, FS's $400 price tag for JAWS 12 from 7 looks cheap.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Karen Hughes
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

who ever said anything about fair. they do this to everyone. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12



Full price! You mean FS doesn't even give you a break if you are
already
a loyal JAWS user? So somebody who is using an older version of JAWS
like
JAWS 7 or 8 would pay the same $1000 for JAWS 12 as somebody who has
never
used JAWS before? This just doesn't seem fair.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12


Check with FS in the morning, but I suspect your friend would be asked
to
pay full price. I suggest waiting for the release of JAWS 13, which I
believe is anticipated in November. This way if your friend bought an
SMA
at
the same time, s/he would be eligible to upgrade to JAWS 14 without
additional charge. In addition, many listers have reported flaws in
JAWS
12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. I'm assuming
someone using JAWS 7 hasn't yet switched to Windows 7. I still use XP
Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11,
even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Brian and Denise Albriton
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Has anyone move from jaws 7 to 12 and if so how much did it cost?
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Re: Eudora (was another question about programs that work with JFW)

Ben Humphreys <brh@...>
 

Bill,

While Eudora lives on in open-source, the last version produced by Qualcom is Eudora 7.1.0.9 and that version is very accessible with JAWS, something that I do not believe is true of the newer open-source versions.

Happily, Eudora 7.1.0.9 works fine with Windows 7 and Qualcom has graciously provided the following code to unlock the full mode without cost:

RegFirstNamePro= Paid_Mode_No_Support
RegLastNamePro=Without_X1_Search
RegCodePro=4352-4846-7641-3881

You may download Eudora from

* http://www.eudora.com/cgi-bin/export.cgi?productid=EUDORA_win_7109

Ben

At 02:40 PM 8/21/2011, you wrote:
Hello,
I now have JFW 12 on my computer and am running windows 7. I was wondering about eudorah. if they still have a free mail program and do they have a version that works with Windows 7?
I used to use it back in the days of Dos.
Thanks in advance.
Bill Deatherage
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Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Steve <k8sp@...>
 

David,

No need to call. Win 7 Home Premium uses Jaws home or pro, Win 7 Pro or Ultimate requires Jaws Pro.

Steve

----- Original Message -----
From: "david ingram" <dingram269@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12


be prepared to spend $750 in order to not only update jaws to version 12, but also include in that the sma. I hope that this helps. If you plan to use windows 7, i'm not sure if the cost is more or may you may already have the pro version of jaws. I'll check on that part of things on Monday when i talk to someone at Freedom Scientific, They will be able to tell me if this is true or not.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian and Denise Albriton" <autoharp@...>
To: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
Cc: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 8:59 AM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12


I think you made a good choice. Twelve seems to be pretty abysmal with xp.


On Sun, 21 Aug 2011, Adrian Spratt wrote:

Check with FS in the morning, but I suspect your friend would be asked to
pay full price. I suggest waiting for the release of JAWS 13, which I
believe is anticipated in November. This way if your friend bought an SMA at
the same time, s/he would be eligible to upgrade to JAWS 14 without
additional charge. In addition, many listers have reported flaws in JAWS 12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. I'm assuming
someone using JAWS 7 hasn't yet switched to Windows 7. I still use XP Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11, even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Brian and Denise Albriton
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:34 AM
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Subject: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Has anyone move from jaws 7 to 12 and if so how much did it cost?
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Re: To upgrade or not

Cy Selfridge
 

Hi Cliff,
I do not know which version of 10 I was running but 11, latest build, does
work very well on XP and is more stable than my 10 was.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Cliff Self
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 6:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: To upgrade or not

I'm currently running Jaws 10 on an XP Home. My SMA entitles me to upgrade
to 11 or 12. Is there a compelling reason why I should do either. From the

previous thread, it sounds like the juryy's out on 12. Is 11 a vast
improvement over 10?

Cliff


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