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Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

I hear that! I have to pay out of pocket now seeing as my case closed with
the state two weeks ago. I hope its worth it before I make the final leap to
purchase 13 and the SMA...

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of don wardlow
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 6:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

Your beta test must have been more successful than what I was grudgingly
allowed to do after we exchanged vows.

I might try the download, then see if I can hit up my family for the $$ to
buy it for real, since I doubt my state will help.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 8:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Don,

That's funny! I actually was a beta-tester in that sense, and still got
married.

In any case, you can download a "beta" from FS and use it as long as the
version is not released. Once it's released, the "beta" is supposed to
expire and you will need to either use up an SMA or purchase.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "don wardlow" <wardlows97@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 16:17
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week


Will it be free to download and play with?
I thought 13 would be one we had to pay for.

I think beta-testing is a good idea. If my wife had let me beta-test her,
I'd still be single! lol

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:08 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

when it comes out next week, just download it. play with it and report
problems. The more people do so it will be better.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 6:04 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

Holger, I've been using JAWS since 3.30, how do I become a beta tester?
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:58
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

I got that. I had been using jaws since it came out. I suggest for those who

love complaining to be beta testers to help. Also if someone does not like
the product purchase another program.

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Holgar,

Because FS has a track record of breaking things that used to work, with
each revision. Of course in addition to adding new features.

But we can all hope.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:43
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


why do not wait before making any comments.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss
you off.
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change

to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my

next project which I am not announcing yet.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try
out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts.
Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
Thanks in advanced,
John Martyn
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week

don wardlow <wardlows97@...>
 

Your beta test must have been more successful than what I was grudgingly
allowed to do after we exchanged vows.

I might try the download, then see if I can hit up my family for the $$ to
buy it for real, since I doubt my state will help.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 8:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Don,

That's funny! I actually was a beta-tester in that sense, and still got
married.

In any case, you can download a "beta" from FS and use it as long as the
version is not released. Once it's released, the "beta" is supposed to
expire and you will need to either use up an SMA or purchase.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "don wardlow" <wardlows97@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 16:17
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week


Will it be free to download and play with?
I thought 13 would be one we had to pay for.

I think beta-testing is a good idea. If my wife had let me beta-test her,
I'd still be single! lol

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:08 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

when it comes out next week, just download it. play with it and report
problems. The more people do so it will be better.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 6:04 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

Holger, I've been using JAWS since 3.30, how do I become a beta tester?
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:58
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

I got that. I had been using jaws since it came out. I suggest for those who

love complaining to be beta testers to help. Also if someone does not like
the product purchase another program.

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Holgar,

Because FS has a track record of breaking things that used to work, with
each revision. Of course in addition to adding new features.

But we can all hope.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:43
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


why do not wait before making any comments.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss
you off.
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change

to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my

next project which I am not announcing yet.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try
out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts.
Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
Thanks in advanced,
John Martyn
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Paul Faucheux
 

On 9/8/2011 5:02 PM, John Martyn wrote:
Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts. Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
Thanks in advanced,
John Martyn
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hi john martin i am going to test it also next week!!!!!


OT skype talking?

daniel <gutz2020@...>
 

Hey, I am using skype talking with jaws but I signed into my faebook for the
chatting on fb with skype. I have something like 570 contacts on faebook and
I am getting a skype talking notice every few seconds. Could someone respond
to me off list with instructions on how to log out of my facebook on skype?
Thanks!!!!!!!
Daniel

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Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Dave...
 

Don,

That's funny! I actually was a beta-tester in that sense, and still got
married.

In any case, you can download a "beta" from FS and use it as long as the
version is not released. Once it's released, the "beta" is supposed to
expire and you will need to either use up an SMA or purchase.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "don wardlow" <wardlows97@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 16:17
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week


Will it be free to download and play with?
I thought 13 would be one we had to pay for.

I think beta-testing is a good idea. If my wife had let me beta-test her,
I'd still be single! lol

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:08 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

when it comes out next week, just download it. play with it and report
problems. The more people do so it will be better.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 6:04 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

Holger, I've been using JAWS since 3.30, how do I become a beta tester?
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:58
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

I got that. I had been using jaws since it came out. I suggest for those who

love complaining to be beta testers to help. Also if someone does not like
the product purchase another program.

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Holgar,

Because FS has a track record of breaking things that used to work, with
each revision. Of course in addition to adding new features.

But we can all hope.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:43
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


why do not wait before making any comments.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss
you off.
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change

to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my

next project which I am not announcing yet.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try
out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts.
Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
Thanks in advanced,
John Martyn
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Dave...
 

Holgar,

That's not a true beta test in the sense I mean. A true beta test is to have
a team of internal Freedom Scientific power-users who are assigned specific
features and test specific applications on a new platform, trying all sorts
of combinations and permutations, then feeding the results back to the
development team. This ensures that all aspects of the software, both new
features and original features are tested to make sure they all play
together.

What FS does is actually a disservice to the customers, as it really says
that they don't have the resources or patience to do all the necessary
brute-force testing inside their walls. Instead they push out the product
and hope that the general user population will somehow catch the bugs they
could not.

And in fact the testing done by the general public is not structured so not
a chance that it will cover all the areas that need testing. I would expect
that most of the public beta-so-called-testers are just users who want an
early copy to try out and start using, and don't bother wringing out all the
capabilities and combinations of applications for integrity. It's a lot like
shooting craps, and hoping that you eventually cover all the possible bets
in a single evening.


Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 16:08
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


when it comes out next week, just download it. play with it and report
problems. The more people do so it will be better.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 6:04 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

Holger, I've been using JAWS since 3.30, how do I become a beta tester?
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:58
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

I got that. I had been using jaws since it came out. I suggest for those who

love complaining to be beta testers to help. Also if someone does not like
the product purchase another program.

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Holgar,

Because FS has a track record of breaking things that used to work, with
each revision. Of course in addition to adding new features.

But we can all hope.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:43
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


why do not wait before making any comments.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss
you off.
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change

to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my

next project which I am not announcing yet.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try
out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts.
Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
Thanks in advanced,
John Martyn
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Dave...
 

Holgar,

If I were a true beta tester the product would never get released. I'm too
critical of flaws.

And mind your sharp tongue, young man! There is no shame in pointing out
flaws in a product, even if there is no other reasonable substitute.


Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:58
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


I got that. I had been using jaws since it came out. I suggest for those who
love complaining to be beta testers to help. Also if someone does not like
the product purchase another program.

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Holgar,

Because FS has a track record of breaking things that used to work, with
each revision. Of course in addition to adding new features.

But we can all hope.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:43
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


why do not wait before making any comments.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss
you off.
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change

to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my

next project which I am not announcing yet.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try
out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts.
Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
Thanks in advanced,
John Martyn
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week

don wardlow <wardlows97@...>
 

Will it be free to download and play with?
I thought 13 would be one we had to pay for.

I think beta-testing is a good idea. If my wife had let me beta-test her,
I'd still be single! lol

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:08 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

when it comes out next week, just download it. play with it and report
problems. The more people do so it will be better.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 6:04 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

Holger, I've been using JAWS since 3.30, how do I become a beta tester?
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:58
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

I got that. I had been using jaws since it came out. I suggest for those who

love complaining to be beta testers to help. Also if someone does not like
the product purchase another program.

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Holgar,

Because FS has a track record of breaking things that used to work, with
each revision. Of course in addition to adding new features.

But we can all hope.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:43
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


why do not wait before making any comments.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss
you off.
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change

to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my

next project which I am not announcing yet.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try
out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts.
Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
Thanks in advanced,
John Martyn
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Holger Fiallo <holgerfiallo@...>
 

when it comes out next week, just download it. play with it and report problems. The more people do so it will be better.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 6:04 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

Holger, I've been using JAWS since 3.30, how do I become a beta tester?
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:58
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

I got that. I had been using jaws since it came out. I suggest for those who

love complaining to be beta testers to help. Also if someone does not like
the product purchase another program.

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Holgar,

Because FS has a track record of breaking things that used to work, with
each revision. Of course in addition to adding new features.

But we can all hope.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:43
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


why do not wait before making any comments.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss
you off.
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change

to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my

next project which I am not announcing yet.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try
out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts.
Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
Thanks in advanced,
John Martyn
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Alex Stone <alex.stone@...>
 

Holger, I've been using JAWS since 3.30, how do I become a beta tester?
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:58
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

I got that. I had been using jaws since it came out. I suggest for those who

love complaining to be beta testers to help. Also if someone does not like
the product purchase another program.

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Holgar,

Because FS has a track record of breaking things that used to work, with
each revision. Of course in addition to adding new features.

But we can all hope.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:43
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


why do not wait before making any comments.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss
you off.
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change

to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my

next project which I am not announcing yet.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try
out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts.
Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Alex Stone <alex.stone@...>
 

Holger, I hate to say this, but I thought you were the person that brought
it up. Why shouldn't people make comments?
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:44
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

why do not wait before making any comments.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss
you off.
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change

to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my

next project which I am not announcing yet.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try
out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts.
Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
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I got that. I had been using jaws since it came out. I suggest for those who love complaining to be beta testers to help. Also if someone does not like the product purchase another program.

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Holgar,

Because FS has a track record of breaking things that used to work, with
each revision. Of course in addition to adding new features.

But we can all hope.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:43
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


why do not wait before making any comments.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss
you off.
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change

to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my

next project which I am not announcing yet.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try
out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts.
Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
Thanks in advanced,
John Martyn
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Dave...
 

Holgar,

Because FS has a track record of breaking things that used to work, with
each revision. Of course in addition to adding new features.

But we can all hope.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:43
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


why do not wait before making any comments.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss
you off.
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change

to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my

next project which I am not announcing yet.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try
out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts.
Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
Thanks in advanced,
John Martyn
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why do not wait before making any comments.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss
you off.
Cheers
Alex

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On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24
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Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change

to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my

next project which I am not announcing yet.
John
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Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?

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Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:02 PM
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Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try
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Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
Thanks in advanced,
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Re: jaws any version

Adrian Spratt
 

There have been several muddying messages on this subject on this list.
First, FS's license by itself doesn't determine what rights users have. In
the U.S., state law typically recognizes implied warranty protections that
are additional to the express warranties written into a license agreement. I
believe this dual protection is followed in countries that have an English
common law heritage.

There is no need to get into the distinctions among copyright, patents,
trademarks and other intellectual property rights. The concept of a
product's fitness to serve the purpose for which it is intended is a
consumer protection.

Most countries run consumer protection offices. In the U.S., the best place
to go for this kind of assistance is the Attorney General's office of the
state where you live, although some of those offices will refer complaints
to the A.G. for the state where the company has its home office. One or two
complaints are unlikely to generate a serious response, but complaints from
a sizable number of consumers could trigger enforcement action.

I am not advocating a complaint-filing campaign. Many subscribers to this
list are content with JAWS, a factor that would go into any enforcement
officer's decision-making process. I'm just trying to clear up the
misunderstandings in this thread.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of d.durber@...
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:01 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: jaws any version

Dorothy:

Soft products, such as books and computer software are covered by each
respective countries Copyright laws, and not laws which pertain to other
types of products, such as computer hardeware, clothing, household goods,
etc.

Your friend should not get confused, between the different laws covering
various types of products, as each country determines the standards and
conditions under which different types of products are sold and warrantees
for each type of product, are covered by the particular laws for the
particular country concerned.

Your friend should read the license for each product to determine any
conditions and rights, in this case the Freedom Scientific JAWS License
Agreement, which can be found in the JAWS Help system.

If your friend needs any further clarrification as to the terms and
conditions of the JAWS License Agreement, they should either contact the
Freedom Scientific dealer in the country in which they live or, they should
contact Freedom Scientific directly, either by email , by phone or by snail
mail.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dorothy" <Dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: jaws any version

take care of what exactly? surely if the sale of goods act does not apply,
then do we rely on fs to meet the standards we expect? if so many of the
problems I see on this list and it is a busy list will only be solved by the
client either putting pressure on fs with their wallet or living in hopes
the next version will solve all our problems wellunless you can say
differently I assume the laws relating to software is much the same
worldwide,although prices will differ I think from country to country as I
have read on this list. However I am sure you meant well kind regards
dorothy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: jaws any version

dorthy, if we purchase from freedom scientific they would take care of this.
this is not our problem. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dorothy" <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:16 AM
Subject: jaws any version

Dear list I just want to be sure that Jaws and in fact all screen readers
are sold under licence I ask since an interesting topic arose on a list I am
not a member of,a friend just selects any item he thinks is interesting It
was pertaining to jaws however. One of the posts said he was not sure about
USA, and mentioned the SGA act,that in Uk means the sale of goods act of
1979, It states an item sold must be "fit for purpose" in English law it is
6 years in Scotland it is 5, the listersaid "i do not know about USA. Well
that act is of course very important but although many Posts were posted, no
one mentioned that software is in fact sold underLicence I expect the Usa
law is much the same but of courseI maybe wrong I know computers
i.e.hardware is but since Jaws was the subject can you confirm what I
imagine is the case regards dorothy

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Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Alex Stone <alex.stone@...>
 

John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss
you off.
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change

to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my

next project which I am not announcing yet.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try
out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts.
Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
Thanks in advanced,
John Martyn
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week

John Martyn
 

That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my next project which I am not announcing yet.
John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts. Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
Thanks in advanced,
John Martyn
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Holger Fiallo <holgerfiallo@...>
 

I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts. Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
Thanks in advanced,
John Martyn
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Re: jaws any version

Dorothy <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
 

Many thanks dave, I was sent the posts by friends on the jaws list in uk,I
am sure they all knew about fs licence conditions,but one man mentioned the
sga act which means an item mustbe fit for purpose now that act is a Uk act
of course.the battle really got heated up as they list members got angry
atbeing told if they are unhappy move to another screen reader, some
couldnot do that,and explained why. But shouldnot have to .In us laws
differ from state to state but I think jaws is sold under licence in most
states of course they can go to fs directly I once had to do that myself I
am not saying it was easy,but it was necessary regards dorothy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of d.durber@...
Sent: 08 October 2011 22:01
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: jaws any version

Dorothy:

Soft products, such as books and computer software are covered by each
respective countries Copyright laws, and not laws which pertain to other
types of products, such as computer hardeware, clothing, household goods,
etc.

Your friend should not get confused, between the different laws covering
various types of products, as each country determines the standards and
conditions under which different types of products are sold and warrantees
for each type of product, are covered by the particular laws for the
particular country concerned.

Your friend should read the license for each product to determine any
conditions and rights, in this case the Freedom Scientific JAWS License
Agreement, which can be found in the JAWS Help system.

If your friend needs any further clarrification as to the terms and
conditions of the JAWS License Agreement, they should either contact the
Freedom Scientific dealer in the country in which they live or, they should
contact Freedom Scientific directly, either by email , by phone or by snail
mail.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dorothy" <Dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: jaws any version


take care of what exactly? surely if the sale of goods act does not apply,
then do we rely on fs to meet the standards we expect? if so many of the
problems I see on this list and it is a busy list will only be solved by
the
client either putting pressure on fs with their wallet or living in hopes
the next version will solve all our problems wellunless you can say
differently I assume the laws relating to software is much the same
worldwide,although prices will differ I think from country to country as I
have read on this list. However I am sure you meant well kind regards
dorothy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: jaws any version


dorthy, if we purchase from freedom scientific they would take care of
this. this is not our problem. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dorothy" <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:16 AM
Subject: jaws any version


Dear list I just want to be sure that Jaws and in fact all screen
readers
are sold under licence I ask since an interesting topic arose on a list
I
am
not a member of,a friend just selects any item he thinks is interesting
It
was pertaining to jaws however. One of the posts said he was not sure
about
USA, and mentioned the SGA act,that in Uk means the sale of goods act of
1979, It states an item sold must be "fit for purpose" in English law it
is
6 years in Scotland it is 5, the listersaid "i do not know about USA.
Well
that act is of course very important but although many Posts were
posted,
no
one mentioned that software is in fact sold underLicence I expect the
Usa
law is much the same but of courseI maybe wrong I know computers
i.e.hardware is but since Jaws was the subject can you confirm what I
imagine is the case regards dorothy


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Jaws 13 out next week

John Martyn
 

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts. Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
Thanks in advanced,
John Martyn
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