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I just had to sign a document regarding a real estate transaction in two places and initial in a third place and all worked without a problem. Yes, my name and initials were already there, probably because I had to sign many things regarding this deal before and the only thing is to make sure you select a signature style and not the draw option which would require you to draw a signature with the mouse.
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-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:20 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Docusign That sounds right, although it has been a while since I have done this. At some point you can choose among a couple of pre-written signatures, and it will just fill that in when you hit this button. Same with pages that just need your initials. ________________________________________ From: main@jfw.groups.io [main@jfw.groups.io] on behalf of Don & Cher via groups.io [oneagleswings1=bellsouth.net@groups.io] Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 3:17 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Docusign When I need to use it to sign a doc, my name is already showing in the name field- and I just have to move to something I think is called the 'sign and accept' button. Cher -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:29 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Docusign I was just trying to sign something and it had an area where I had to draw something and no way I saw to get into screen reader mode where I could just type my name -- that is what I was looking for. On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 22:48:42 -0400, Zel Iscel wrote:
I don't use a screen reader mode.
Are you trying to upload documents for signing or downloading them to
read
and sign?
I've only downloaded contracts to read and sign. I've not tried to
upload
documents so I don't know how accessible that is.
Cheers
Zel
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Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@inclusiveworld.com.au
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2020 3:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Docusign
I think this was roughly March of this year. There may be a screen
reader
mode, but I didn't see an obvious way to invoke it, how would you do that?
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 01:23:16 -0400,
Zel Iscel wrote:
When was that, John.
I tested it a year ago and it wasn't very good but they'v'e improved
it
since then.
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Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@inclusiveworld.com.au
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Saturday, 25 April 2020 1:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Docusign
I was never able to use docusign unassisted, it wanted me to draw
the
signature and in my case it did not have a screen reader mode anywhere I saw.
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 01:13:37 -0400,
Zel Iscel wrote:
[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>] Docusign works very
well for me. You can download the document, read it and then sign
each
page that needs signing, but signatures are done via the internet. So, you can read your docs in Adobe Acrobat and then sign through your internet browser. I use Docusign with Brave and Google Chrome and both work well
with
it.
Cheers
Zel
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Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@inclusiveworld.com.au<mailto:zel@inclusiveworld.com.au>
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richele
Pennock
Sent: Saturday, 25 April 2020 2:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Docusign
Hello there,
We are looking at using Docusign. Does anyone have any experience
to
know if this is accessible with screen reader software? Thank you!
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Re: outlook express folder help
Jerry, Which version of windows are you using? We have a friend who wants to run Outlook Express on windows 10. Will that work? Where does a person get the install file? Thanks a bunch, Ann
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry hathaway
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 10:47 PM
To: JFW Listserve
Subject: outlook express folder help I am now running jaws 2020, windows 7, and outlook express. Before I installed jaws 2020 and after i had my e-mail download into outlook express I could tell how many messages in each folder as i scrolled down the list of folders. When I scroll down the folders now jaws is not telling me the number of messages in the folder. Can anyone help me to be able to get this ability to let me know the number of messages in my folders as I scroll down through the folders in outlook express. Thank you for your help with this problem.
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That sounds right, although it has been a while since I have done this. At some point you can choose among a couple of pre-written signatures, and it will just fill that in when you hit this button. Same with pages that just need your initials. ________________________________________ From: main@jfw.groups.io [main@jfw.groups.io] on behalf of Don & Cher via groups.io [oneagleswings1=bellsouth.net@groups.io] Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 3:17 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Docusign When I need to use it to sign a doc, my name is already showing in the name field- and I just have to move to something I think is called the 'sign and accept' button. Cher -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:29 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Docusign I was just trying to sign something and it had an area where I had to draw something and no way I saw to get into screen reader mode where I could just type my name -- that is what I was looking for. On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 22:48:42 -0400, Zel Iscel wrote:
I don't use a screen reader mode.
Are you trying to upload documents for signing or downloading them to read
and sign?
I've only downloaded contracts to read and sign. I've not tried to upload
documents so I don't know how accessible that is.
Cheers
Zel
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Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@inclusiveworld.com.au
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2020 3:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Docusign
I think this was roughly March of this year. There may be a screen reader
mode, but I didn't see an obvious way to invoke it, how would you do that?
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 01:23:16 -0400,
Zel Iscel wrote:
When was that, John.
I tested it a year ago and it wasn't very good but they'v'e improved it
since then.
image001.jpg
Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@inclusiveworld.com.au
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Saturday, 25 April 2020 1:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Docusign
I was never able to use docusign unassisted, it wanted me to draw the
signature and in my case it did not have a screen reader mode anywhere I saw.
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 01:13:37 -0400,
Zel Iscel wrote:
[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>] Docusign works very
well for me. You can download the document, read it and then sign each
page that needs signing, but signatures are done via the internet. So, you can read your docs in Adobe Acrobat and then sign through your internet browser. I use Docusign with Brave and Google Chrome and both work well with
it.
Cheers
Zel
image001.jpg
Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@inclusiveworld.com.au<mailto:zel@inclusiveworld.com.au>
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richele
Pennock
Sent: Saturday, 25 April 2020 2:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Docusign
Hello there,
We are looking at using Docusign. Does anyone have any experience to
know if this is accessible with screen reader software? Thank you!
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you spend it?
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When I need to use it to sign a doc, my name is already showing in the name
field- and I just have to move to something I think is called the 'sign and
accept' button.
Cher
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-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:29 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Docusign I was just trying to sign something and it had an area where I had to draw something and no way I saw to get into screen reader mode where I could just type my name -- that is what I was looking for. On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 22:48:42 -0400, Zel Iscel wrote:
I don't use a screen reader mode.
Are you trying to upload documents for signing or downloading them to read
and sign?
I've only downloaded contracts to read and sign. I've not tried to upload
documents so I don't know how accessible that is.
Cheers
Zel
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Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@inclusiveworld.com.au
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2020 3:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Docusign
I think this was roughly March of this year. There may be a screen reader
mode, but I didn't see an obvious way to invoke it, how would you do that?
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 01:23:16 -0400,
Zel Iscel wrote:
When was that, John.
I tested it a year ago and it wasn't very good but they'v'e improved it
since then.
image001.jpg
Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@inclusiveworld.com.au
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Saturday, 25 April 2020 1:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Docusign
I was never able to use docusign unassisted, it wanted me to draw the
signature and in my case it did not have a screen reader mode anywhere I saw.
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 01:13:37 -0400,
Zel Iscel wrote:
[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>] Docusign works very
well for me. You can download the document, read it and then sign each
page that needs signing, but signatures are done via the internet. So, you can read your docs in Adobe Acrobat and then sign through your internet browser. I use Docusign with Brave and Google Chrome and both work well with
it.
Cheers
Zel
image001.jpg
Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@inclusiveworld.com.au<mailto:zel@inclusiveworld.com.au>
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richele
Pennock
Sent: Saturday, 25 April 2020 2:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Docusign
Hello there,
We are looking at using Docusign. Does anyone have any experience to
know if this is accessible with screen reader software? Thank you!
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Re: Is there a free app to convert a recorded Zoom meeting to a text file (i.e., transcribe it)?
Unfortunately, Otter does not seem to be free. It seems to require a paid subscription. So, I am still looking for a free one!
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of NFB Lab 4 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 11:06 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a free app to convert a recorded Zoom meeting to a text file (i.e., transcribe it)? Look at the app Otter. Hi! I am wondering if there is a free app to convert a recorded Zoom meeting to a text file (i.e., transcribe it)? Thanks, Richard
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Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hello Patrick:
I think I may have found the solution to your problem.
In JAWS 2020
1. In the "Automatically Start JAWS" dialog box, uncheck the, "Start JAWS at the Logon screen", and set the "Start JAWS after logon: to "Never". Click the 2 OK buttons to close the 2 dialog boxes.
2. Unload JAWS 2020.
In JAWS 2018
3. Load JAWS 2018.
4. In the "Automatically Start JAWS" dialog box, check the, "Start JAWS at the Logon screen", and leave the "Start JAWS after logon: at "Never". Click the 2 OK buttons to close the 2 dialog boxes.
5. Unload JAWS 2018.
Back in JAWS 2020
6. Load JAWS 2020.
7. In the "Automatically Start JAWS" dialog box, leave the, "Start JAWS at the Logon screen", unchecked, and set the "Start JAWS after logon: to "always". Click the 2 OK buttons to close the 2 dialog boxes.
8. restart your computer. Hopefully, after you have entered your password, and pressed the OK button to proceed, (that is, if you use the logon screen), JAWS 2020 will start correctly, after the start up procedure has been completed.
When I looked in the "Automatically Start Jaws" dialog boxes for both JAWS 2018 and 2020, I found the "Start Jaws after logon for this user", was set to "Always", in both versions, why this should b, I do not know.
I will be very interested to hear from you if the above procedure solves your problem.
Dave Durber
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Murphy" <murphy.patrick42@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:20 PM Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly. Hi Dave,
Jaws 2020. I have also tried it with jaws2018 which works fine.
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Tuesday 28 April 2020 13:17
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hello Patrick:
Which version of JAWS is set to start when Windows starts, JFW 18 or 2020?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Murphy" <murphy.patrick42@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi,
Thanks for your response. I am now more convinced than ever, that it is an
authorization problem. My internet just went down, and jaws started
correctly.
I have set the computer to not connect to the internet and it works just
fine.
When the pc does have an internet connection, it doesn't.
I think that, therefore, when it is checking while loading (grace period),
it gets into a mess.
I will update if i can prove this definitely.
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Monday 27 April 2020 17:19
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
The fact is that you won't have a choice but to upgrade anyways sooner or
later and with another Windows 10 update coming very soon it may be sooner
rather than later. Even now the emoji panel, for example, is not useable
to
you with Jaws 2018 and in time there may be other features. If you use
Office you will find that it works best with the latest version of Jaws
and
while I know you said there is always NVDA that is a call you have to
make,
it wouldn't work for an old Jaws guy like me, I tried it and I just can't
get used to how they do stuff. Maybe I don't want to get used to it
because
I have always kept up my SMA and always used the latest version of Jaws,
but
once again, that is everybody's choice. All I can say is that is not an
issue I have heard about before hence it must be specific to your
configuration. I am not usually somebody who says reinstalling Windows
from
scratch should be your first option, but if you can't or don't want to get a
h old of Jaws support to see what they may suggest and if this is a big
deal
for you otherwise I'd say this maybe an option.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 12:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi Andrew,
i tried that.
in jaws 2018, it will let me reactivate using my full licence. it asks me
for my actual authorization number.
however, when i do this, jaws 2020 is not authorized, as i do not have a
valid internet licence for that.
this will eliminate the checking and validation of a proper licence, so
the
problem goes away.
i know this, because when i first installed it, it was running in 40
minute
mode, and there was absolutely no problem.
once i installed the 90 day ilm key, it would not load the jaws window at
all after that.
as i said, i can quit and restart jaws 2020 and it works fine.
i think i am left with two options.
one, do as you say and reactivate my jaws 2018 with my old licence and run
jaws 2020 in 40 minute mode.
two, update to jaws 2020 altogether.
if then, the problem goes away, great. if not, i have just wasted the
price
of an upgrade.
regards,
pat
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew
Summers via groups.io
Sent: Sunday 26 April 2020 16:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Pat,
Have you gone to the JAWS help and come down to License sub menu and then
pressed enter on Update Activation...
If not please try that!
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: 26 April 2020 13:49
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi Andrew,
There is no jaws window when jaws 2020 starts up. I have to exit it and
start it again in order to gain access to anything.
I tried your suggestion some time ago. The remove authorization option
will
not remove the ilm key.
Pat
ent from my gmail account
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew
Summers via groups.io
Sent: Sunday 26 April 2020 11:44
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi Pat,
If you go to the JAWS window, and then press the menu bar and go to the
Utilities menu, you will find in there Explore Utilities Folder.
Press enter on that.
In there is an option to Remove JAWS Activation, press enter.
HTH
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: 26 April 2020 08:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi Dave,
Yes, i am on the last version of jaws 2018 which is all i am entitled to.
I did use the jaws import wizard to copy my shared settings.
I have a 90 day ilm key just to try out jaws 2020.
Jaws2020 and jaws2018 are now both authorized using the same 90 day key
for
some reason.
With regards to settings etc, i uninstalled both, reinstalled both,
removed
both again with all settings and shared components, reinstalled jaws2020,
but still the problem exists.
One peculiar thing though, i started up my computer yesterday from a
shutdown, and everything with jaws2020 worked fine.
I did the exact same thing just now, and the problem came back.
I am convinced at this stage, that it does have something to do with the
new
"grace period" authorization function introduced in jaws 2019.
I think it is loading before it knows for certain whether or not you have
a
valid key. Sometimes the check works, and sometimes it doesn't and jaws
half
loads with no actual jaws window.
I also think, that it might have something to do with the ilm key, as this
is a very old type of authorization for a pc, as against the internet
activation method. However, i am not paying for an upgrade until i can get a
definite sort-out for this problem. As i said in another post, there is
always nvda, but i would rather stay with jaws.
Regards,
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday 25 April 2020 10:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hello Pat:
Question 1: With JAWS 18, are you on the last upgrade for your current
SMA?
Which is why you are using the temporary license for JAWS 2020, so you can
try its new and upgraded features?
Question 2: did you use the JAWS function, which copies the settings you
set
in JAWS 18 to JAWS 2020?
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Murphy" <murphy.patrick42@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi Sieghard,
Thanks for that. I am actually in Ireland, but i will try this and see
what response i get.
Do you have their skype number?
Pat
Sent from my gmail account.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday 25 April 2020 05:01
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Patrick, are you in the UK? What number do you call? I can see how an
email could take several days to receive a reply, but if you call
their regular US number (if you are in the UK an duse Skype you can
even call their toll free
number) you should get somebody on the line right away.
The regular number is +1 727-803-8600.
Best regards,
Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick
Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi,
I too agree with bill.
I sent two emails about jaws 2020 not starting correctly, and got
nothing back but "thanks for your email".
Sent from my gmail account.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 18:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi, Merv. I don't understand, then, why they didn't get back to me the
other day, when I put in my callback number.
Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv
Keck
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Vispero is not closed due to COVID-19. Everyone is working as usual.
If you need technical, customer, or sales support call vispero as
usual. Vispero has not ever closed due to the virus. They are
continuing to support their customers as usual.
Merv
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 1:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi, Patrick. Even if JAWS starts before Windows starts, eventually you
should get to the desktop, as JAWS is made to start before many
programs, and after they load, JAWS still provides voicing, screen
content and navigation. If you wish, since Vispero is temporarily
closed due to COVID-19, you may give me a call at,
714-835-6295,
and I will stay on the phone with you to see what is happening.
I hope I may be able to help you.
Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi,
Yes, latest version of windows 10 home edition with all necessary and
optional updates installed.
Checked yesterday, and there is no further updates needed.
Downloaded the latest version of jaws from freedom scientific and used
it.
All apps in startup are turned off, apart from the necessary ones such
as the audio drivers etc that are actually necessary.
There is an application file for jaws set to "on". I set this to "off"
just
in case, but no difference.
Pat
Sent from my gmail account.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Abraham Sweiss
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Is windows fully patched.
Are you installing the latest version of jaws. I think It is the March
release I believe.
Thanks,abraham
On Apr 24, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Patrick Murphy
<murphy.patrick42@gmail.com> wrote:
I did this, but no results.
I disabled both start at logon screen and start for this user always
in
jaws
2018.
I then set them for jaws 2020.
Only one should load.
However, i did notice one peculiar thing.
When i set either of them to "always start for this user", the option
changes for both versions. I cannot set 2018 to "never" and 2020 to
"always". No matter where i change it (20158 or 2020), it defaults to
the same thing in both versions. The only independant thing is "start
at the logon screen". This is different when set in both versions.
Sent from my gmail account.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
The problem may be as I had. Both versions, 18 and 20 are fighting to
load at same time. Go into whatever version you do not want to load
and correct this and be sure the version you want to load is properly
set. Then I do believe this will be better...
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick
Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi,
I wasn't aware of this feature, but you could be right. Now that i
think of
it, it started right after i installed the temporary authorization
(90 days)
that i was given to try it out.
That could explain why 2018 works and 2020 doesn't. If it checks
while windows is loading, it could be a problem. When i stop and
restart it, it is
fine, but then windows is fully up at that time.
Any way to disable/check/change this or something?
Pat
Sent from my gmail account.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 14:34
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
might that be the JAWS feature touted as new in either 2019 or 2020, saying
that JAWS will speak before checking your authorization, so you don't
have to wait so long to hear that it is running. However, it doesn't
do anything
till it makes internal checks and decides what context you are
running in.
So in my opinion it is a totally useless change which FS calls an
improvement.
At 07:59 AM 4/24/2020, you wrote:
Hi Mike,
I have tried all this, I tried to post a full message about
everything last night, but it was not approved. I think it was too big.
Regardless of what I do with jaws2020 (login screen etc), the first
time it starts up, there is no window to go to.
Insert+j brings you nowhere whether it is running from system tray
Insert+or not.
If you shut it down (insert+f4) and then restart it, everything is ok.
If you don't start it at the login screen, it still produces no window.
Pat
Sent from my gmail account.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike B
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 13:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
It sounds like J2020 is set to start on the log-in screen. If
you're saying that there's no Jaws window when you, Alt + tab, you
probably have J2020 running from the system tray. To find the
settings for both these items press, Insert + J, to open the Jaws
context menu, press the letter, O, to open, Options, and press the
letter, B, to open,
Basic.
Now tab to Automatically start Jaws...
button and press the spacebar to find your Jaws start settings and
tab to Okay and press the spacebar when you're through in here. Now
tab 3 times or so to, Run Jaws from system tray, and uncheck this if
you want the Jaws window to be in the, Alt + Tab, order, then tab to
Okay and press enter to save / close.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when
I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:murphy.patrick42@gmail.com>Patrick Murphy
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 2:37 AM
Subject: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi,
I am new to this group, so i hope i am doing this right.
I have jaws2018 and 2020. 2018 works fine, but when 2020 starts,
there is no jaws window.
It seems to be starting before windows 10 has loaded.
I uninstalled and reinstalled it, but there was no change.
Any ideas?
Regards,
Pat
Sent from my gmail account.
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Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications
Yes, you are right. I forgot to mention that.
Monica
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shai Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 6:20 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications That's correct Monica but that is only when one is in the Zoom application. If a person elects to go to the desktop or any other part of their pc, then the alert that the person has joined/left a meeting will be indicated by JAWS again. On 4/27/20, Monica S <mrod16@att.net> wrote: Hi, I think you would press windows+alt+s to disable alerts.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty
Hutchings
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit
Notifications
I have found that pressing JAWS + S until you hear ‘'”None” turns off
screen echo, which stops JAWS from announcing who has entered or left the meeting.
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the
rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness,
against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to
resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
From: Richard Turner <mailto:richardturner42@outlook.com>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 8:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit
Notifications
Hi,
So, are the announcements of people entering or leaving considered an alert?
Like others, I’ve been thrown into learning zoom.
If those are alerts then they can be turned off, but it looks like all
alerts will be turned off. This is from pressing insert+h in Zoom
with Jaws.
.
Link‑ To enable or disable alerts, press Alt+Windows+S.
Link‑ To hear the most recent alert, press Alt+Windows+A.
Link‑ To be reminded of whether alert announcements are enabled or
disabled, press JAWSKey+Tab.
To review the last 10 alerts or messages, press Control+1 through to
Control+0. Press twice quickly to virtualise.
Link‑ To only allow chat messages when pressing Control+1 through to
Control+0 press control+F5.
Functionality has also been added to report:
The state of recording when ALT+R is pressed. This is a keystroke
which enables or disables the recording.
Whether the recording has been paused or is resuming when ALT+P is pressed.
Whether the audio has been muted for all participants when ALT+A is pressed.
The controls for scheduling and creating a meeting should also be
easier to understand.
Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland,
Oregon.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of David
Kingsbury
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 5:26 AM
To: 'JAWS Main Discussion List' <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> >
Subject: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit
Notifications
Hi all,
Below is a message I just sent to Zoom Tech Support. If you agree with
my opinion, please take a little time to send them similar requests.
It’s more effective if several people speak out.
Regards,
David
Hello,
I would like to report on a general problem, not specific to any
meeting, and make some suggestions. I am blind and use the JAWS screen
reader program. Like millions of other people, many blind people have
increased their use of the invaluable Zoom platform to stay in touch
and conduct business meetings in these challenging times.
As you know, when participants enter and leave meetings, it is
announced. I assume visual participants see something on the screen.
Screen reader users hear “John Smith has entered the meeting,” or
“Sally Jones has left the meeting.” Because we are forced to hear this
audio, it often seriously disrupts meetings, especially those with a large number of participants.
Presenters who use screen readers are frequently interrupted and
thrown off stride. Participants often have to ask presenters to repeat
what they just said. It can even be awkward and embarrassing. Imagine
yourself in a meeting conducted in a physical conference room. In the
middle of a presentation, somebody suddenly blurts out “My name is
John Smith and I am leaving the meeting.” He then gets up and walks
out the door. Of course, everybody would be shocked at this outrageous
behavior. A milder form of this can happen in Zoom meetings. To be
perfectly frank, the main reason I leave meetings early is that I no
longer think the discussion worth my time. But I don’t want to be
forced to publicly proclaim it. One thing I recently figured out is to
rename myself as a fake phone number. That way, when I leave nobody knows who I am. But I should not be compelled to resort to such devious behavior.
While there are ways that blind people can mute their screen reader
program, that only works for those individuals who know the
keystrokes. It does not help improve overall meeting quality for the
other participants. And if I am a presenter, I may need to hear my
screen reader program, so I must unmute it, causing me to hear this annoying verbiage again.
Giving participants and hosts the option to disable entry and exit
notifications would greatly improve the Zoom meeting experience for
screen reader users. I would suggest the following specific
modifications to the Zoom app on the PC.
For participants:
* In the Settings area accessed through the Home Tab, provide an option for
individuals to mute their individual entry/exit notification.
* Provide an additional option to mute such notifications for all
participants.
* In the Participants List area of the Meeting Controls window for meetings
you are currently participating in, add a disable entry/exit
notifications in the More options for individual participants dropdown.
For hosts:
* In the meetings Tab of the PC app, when scheduling meetings, add an option
to disable exit/entry notifications in the Advanced options dropdown.
* In the Participants List area of the Meeting Controls window for meetings
you are currently hosting, add a disable entry/exit notifications in
the More options for All participants dropdown.
It would be advisable to make similar modifications in the appropriate
places in the smartphone app.
Thank you for taking time to consider these ideas and hopefully
implement them . I strongly believe that if You make these
modifications in a future update, it will greatly improve the Zoom
meeting experience for blind and visually impaired users of the Zoom Cloud platform.
Regards,
David Kingsbury
Carroll Center for the Blind Confidentiality Notice: This email and
any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely
for the use of the individual(s) addressed in the message above. This
communication may contain sensitive or confidential information. If
you are not an intended recipient dissemination, forwarding, printing
or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you received this
email in error and the email contains private information, please
contact the Carroll Center Compliance Line at 617-969-6200 x. 214. If
the email was sent to you in error but does not contain private
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Jaws2020 Update Build 2004.66.40 Update Download + What's New
Hi All,
Below is the download link for both 32 & 64 bit systems + what's new in
this release.
Announce Group Changes in Outlook 365 Message Lists
JAWS can now indicate group changes, such as dates or conversations, as you
navigate through message lists. For example, if your Outlook view
settings
are set to show messages by date and you are navigating a folder
containing messages covering multiple days, when you move to the first message
in the
new date group, you will hear announcements such as "today,"
"yesterday," "last week," or "two weeks ago." To turn on this feature, open
Quick Settings
(INSERT+V) while in Outlook and select the Announce Group
Change in Lists check box.
New Focus Braille Display Commands for Adjusting Speech Rate
You can now use the following controls on the Focus braille display to
adjust the speech rate.
list of 4 items
• Temporarily increase speech rate: LEFT or RIGHT
SHIFT+RIGHT SELECT CHORD
• Temporarily decrease speech rate: LEFT or RIGHT
SHIFT+LEFT SELECT CHORD
• Permanently increase speech rate: RIGHT SELECT
CHORD
• Permanently decrease speech rate: LEFT SELECT CHORD
list end
New Dialog Box for Troubleshooting Remote Access
JAWS and Fusion now includes a new Remote Desktop dialog box to help
troubleshoot remote access connection issues. It can be accessed from the
Options
menu in JAWS or the Support submenu in the Fusion main menu. From
this dialog box, you can:
list of 4 items
• See whether or not your Freedom Scientific software is
authorized for remote access.
• Check the status for each supported remote
channel (Remote Desktop, Citrix, or VMWare Horizon).
• Repair any channel
that is reported to not be working.
• Test the connection between the client
and server/remote computers.
list end
Other Changes
list of 8 items
• If Mouse Echo is enabled and you move
over text with the mouse, JAWS or Fusion now only reads the current line as
expected instead of reading everything
on the screen.
• Book nine of the
JAWS Basic Training, Surf's Up, Surfing the Internet with JAWS, an Introduction,
has been updated to include links to go directly to
the Surf's Up web pages.
To get the latest book, select Training from the JAWS Help menu to open the
Training Table of Contents in FSReader, select the
link to open book nine,
and then press ENTER when prompted to install the updated book.
• Added a new
Quick Settings (INSERT+V) option called List Nesting Level Announcement which is
off by default and available in Chrome and Edge Chromiun.
Use this option to
enable the announcement of nesting levels for list items in edit fields on web
pages like Google Docs.
• Resolved an issue where JAWS would sometimes exit
Forms Mode when pressing ENTER in some multiline edit fields.
• In response
to customer feedback, disabled the announcement of inserted and deleted text on
web pages.
• In Microsoft Teams, when you press CTRL+PERIOD to display Teams
hot keys, the Virtual Cursor is now active so you can review the keystrokes as
if you
were on a web page.
• Addressed a reported issue in the retail
version of Excel 2016 where JAWS would become sluggish after using Paste
Special.
• Added updated braille drivers from Humanware containing
performance improvements when using their line of displays with JAWS and
Fusion.
list end
2004.66.400/FAE8BEBF-943F-4773-8446-17D7524E0F16/J2020.2004.66.400-any.exe
The following is a list of improvements made between the March 2020 release
and the April 2020 update.
Announce Group Changes in Outlook 365 Message Lists
JAWS can now indicate group changes, such as dates or conversations, as you
navigate through message lists. For example, if your Outlook view
settings
are set to show messages by date and you are navigating a folder
containing messages covering multiple days, when you move to the first message
in the
new date group, you will hear announcements such as "today,"
"yesterday," "last week," or "two weeks ago." To turn on this feature, open
Quick Settings
(INSERT+V) while in Outlook and select the Announce Group
Change in Lists check box.
New Focus Braille Display Commands for Adjusting Speech Rate
You can now use the following controls on the Focus braille display to
adjust the speech rate.
list of 4 items
• Temporarily increase speech rate: LEFT or RIGHT
SHIFT+RIGHT SELECT CHORD
• Temporarily decrease speech rate: LEFT or RIGHT
SHIFT+LEFT SELECT CHORD
• Permanently increase speech rate: RIGHT SELECT
CHORD
• Permanently decrease speech rate: LEFT SELECT CHORD
list end
New Dialog Box for Troubleshooting Remote Access
JAWS and Fusion now includes a new Remote Desktop dialog box to help
troubleshoot remote access connection issues. It can be accessed from the
Options
menu in JAWS or the Support submenu in the Fusion main menu. From
this dialog box, you can:
list of 4 items
• See whether or not your Freedom Scientific software is
authorized for remote access.
• Check the status for each supported remote
channel (Remote Desktop, Citrix, or VMWare Horizon).
• Repair any channel
that is reported to not be working.
• Test the connection between the client
and server/remote computers.
list end
Other Changes
list of 8 items
• If Mouse Echo is enabled and you move
over text with the mouse, JAWS or Fusion now only reads the current line as
expected instead of reading everything
on the screen.
• Book nine of the
JAWS Basic Training, Surf's Up, Surfing the Internet with JAWS, an Introduction,
has been updated to include links to go directly to
the Surf's Up web pages.
To get the latest book, select Training from the JAWS Help menu to open the
Training Table of Contents in FSReader, select the
link to open book nine,
and then press ENTER when prompted to install the updated book.
• Added a new
Quick Settings (INSERT+V) option called List Nesting Level Announcement which is
off by default and available in Chrome and Edge Chromiun.
Use this option to
enable the announcement of nesting levels for list items in edit fields on web
pages like Google Docs.
• Resolved an issue where JAWS would sometimes exit
Forms Mode when pressing ENTER in some multiline edit fields.
• In response
to customer feedback, disabled the announcement of inserted and deleted text on
web pages.
• In Microsoft Teams, when you press CTRL+PERIOD to display Teams
hot keys, the Virtual Cursor is now active so you can review the keystrokes as
if you
were on a web page.
• Addressed a reported issue in the retail
version of Excel 2016 where JAWS would become sluggish after using Paste
Special.
• Added updated braille drivers from Humanware containing
performance improvements when using their line of displays with JAWS and
Fusion.
list end
Take care. Mike. Sent from my
iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately
that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
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Re: Select Google Chrome from desktop and stays on desktop
A perfect time to get in touch with Freedom Scientific tech support. Even if the issue does lie with Chrome, you can be certain that it's probably not only you it's happened to. Getting a "critical mass" of reports is what gets the ball rolling between companies such as Freedom Scientific and Google on issues such as this. --
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
~ Lawrence Krauss
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Re: Select Google Chrome from desktop and stays on desktop
I reinstalled Chrome. It worked the first time. After that it went back to doing the same thing.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 9:42 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Select Google Chrome from desktop and stays on desktop Sounds like a Chrome issue. Try reinstalling Chrome or do a repair if it has that option. When I open chrome with jaws 2020 I always land in the address bar. On 4/27/2020 7:11 AM, kevin meyers wrote: Hello, I’m using the most recent 2020 version of Jaws and Office 2016. I select Google Chrome from my desktop and the cursor remains on the desktop. I thought it didn’t open a Google window. I press enter again and nothing happens. I found out that Google Chrome did open a window and I have to move to the window where as before I would be sitting in the window. Then when I move to the window it says dash Google Chrome. Sometimes I can tab back and forth and I get to the address and search bar. Times I have to close out of Google Chrome. Times I have to move out of the window and then back. This never happened before the most recent version of Jaws. What do I need to stop this from happening? Thanks, Kevin
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Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications
David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
Hi, Tom.
If you're using Brian Hartgen's Zoom
scripts with JAWS, including the free scripts, you can
press alt-Windows-S to toggle the speaking of Zoom alerts. Without
those scripts JAWS and NVDA can be set to not speak anything but
the problem with this latter approach is that you then silence
nearly everything else, which is not always ideal or desirable. It
sounds like Zoom is planning to allow users to select which alerts
they do and don't wish to hear. This is particularly nice as this
should work regardless of which screen reader you are using.
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 4/28/2020 10:32 AM, Tom Behler
wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Hello.
I thought the Jaws or insert key plus S
also enables and disables announcements.
Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Tom Behler
That keystroke works in the free Zoom. Its
part of the scripts included in Jaws 2020 for sure since I do
not have the pro scripts and it works.
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives
us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
On Apr 28, 2020, at 6:24 AM, Mario
<mrb620@...>
wrote:
according to an audio I found from
Brian Hartgen, if you get the Zoom professional scripts,
windows+alt+s disables the alerts globally. but if one
downloads the free basic scripts, windows+alt+s only
disables the alerts when in the client window.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Shai [mailto:shaiwol@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Monday, April 27, 2020, 7:20 PM
Subject: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting
Entry/Exit Notifications
That's correct Monica but that is only when one is in
the Zoom
application. If a person elects to go to the desktop or
any other part
of their pc, then the alert that the person has
joined/left a meeting
will be indicated by JAWS again.
On 4/27/20, Monica S <mrod16@...> wrote:
Hi, I think you would press windows+alt+s to disable
alerts.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting
Entry/Exit
Notifications
I have found that pressing JAWS + S until you hear
‘'”None” turns off screen
echo, which stops JAWS from announcing who has entered
or left the meeting.
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but
against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this
darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you
will be able to resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand
firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
From: Richard Turner <mailto:richardturner42@...>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 8:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting
Entry/Exit
Notifications
Hi,
So, are the announcements of people entering or leaving
considered an alert?
Like others, I’ve been thrown into learning zoom.
If those are alerts then they can be turned off, but it
looks like all
alerts will be turned off. This is from pressing
insert+h in Zoom with
Jaws.
.
Link‑ To enable or disable alerts, press Alt+Windows+S.
Link‑ To hear the most recent alert, press
Alt+Windows+A.
Link‑ To be reminded of whether alert announcements are
enabled or disabled,
press JAWSKey+Tab.
To review the last 10 alerts or messages, press
Control+1 through to
Control+0. Press twice quickly to virtualise.
Link‑ To only allow chat messages when pressing
Control+1 through to
Control+0 press control+F5.
Functionality has also been added to report:
The state of recording when ALT+R is pressed. This is a
keystroke which
enables or disables the recording.
Whether the recording has been paused or is resuming
when ALT+P is pressed.
Whether the audio has been muted for all participants
when ALT+A is pressed.
The controls for scheduling and creating a meeting
should also be easier to
understand.
Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window
in Portland,
Oregon.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf
Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 5:26 AM
To: 'JAWS Main Discussion List' <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> >
Subject: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting
Entry/Exit Notifications
Hi all,
Below is a message I just sent to Zoom Tech Support. If
you agree with my
opinion, please take a little time to send them similar
requests. It’s more
effective if several people speak out.
Regards,
David
Hello,
I would like to report on a general problem, not
specific to any meeting,
and make some suggestions. I am blind and use the JAWS
screen reader
program. Like millions of other people, many blind
people have increased
their use of the invaluable Zoom platform to stay in
touch and conduct
business meetings in these challenging times.
As you know, when participants enter and leave meetings,
it is announced. I
assume visual participants see something on the screen.
Screen reader users
hear “John Smith has entered the meeting,” or “Sally
Jones has left the
meeting.” Because we are forced to hear this audio, it
often seriously
disrupts meetings, especially those with a large number
of participants.
Presenters who use screen readers are frequently
interrupted and thrown off
stride. Participants often have to ask presenters to
repeat what they just
said. It can even be awkward and embarrassing. Imagine
yourself in a meeting
conducted in a physical conference room. In the middle
of a presentation,
somebody suddenly blurts out “My name is John Smith and
I am leaving the
meeting.” He then gets up and walks out the door. Of
course, everybody would
be shocked at this outrageous behavior. A milder form of
this can happen in
Zoom meetings. To be perfectly frank, the main reason I
leave meetings early
is that I no longer think the discussion worth my time.
But I don’t want to
be forced to publicly proclaim it. One thing I recently
figured out is to
rename myself as a fake phone number. That way, when I
leave nobody knows
who I am. But I should not be compelled to resort to
such devious behavior.
While there are ways that blind people can mute their
screen reader program,
that only works for those individuals who know the
keystrokes. It does not
help improve overall meeting quality for the other
participants. And if I am
a presenter, I may need to hear my screen reader
program, so I must unmute
it, causing me to hear this annoying verbiage again.
Giving participants and hosts the option to disable
entry and exit
notifications would greatly improve the Zoom meeting
experience for screen
reader users. I would suggest the following specific
modifications to the
Zoom app on the PC.
For participants:
* In the Settings area accessed through the Home Tab,
provide an option for
individuals to mute their individual entry/exit
notification.
* Provide an additional option to mute such
notifications for all
participants.
* In the Participants List area of the Meeting
Controls window for meetings
you are currently participating in, add a disable
entry/exit notifications
in the More options for individual participants
dropdown.
For hosts:
* In the meetings Tab of the PC app, when scheduling
meetings, add an option
to disable exit/entry notifications in the Advanced
options dropdown.
* In the Participants List area of the Meeting
Controls window for meetings
you are currently hosting, add a disable entry/exit
notifications in the
More options for All participants dropdown.
It would be advisable to make similar modifications in
the appropriate
places in the smartphone app.
Thank you for taking time to consider these ideas and
hopefully implement
them . I strongly believe that if You make these
modifications in a future
update, it will greatly improve the Zoom meeting
experience for blind and
visually impaired users of the Zoom Cloud platform.
Regards,
David Kingsbury
Carroll Center for the Blind Confidentiality Notice:
This email and any
files transmitted with it are confidential and are
intended solely for the
use of the individual(s) addressed in the message above.
This communication
may contain sensitive or confidential information. If
you are not an
intended recipient dissemination, forwarding, printing
or copying of this
email is strictly prohibited. If you received this
email in error and the
email contains private information, please contact the
Carroll Center
Compliance Line at 617-969-6200 x. 214. If the email
was sent to you in
error but does not contain private information, please
contact the sender
and delete the email.
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Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications
Hello. I thought the Jaws or insert key plus S also enables and disables announcements. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Tom Behler
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:08 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications That keystroke works in the free Zoom. Its part of the scripts included in Jaws 2020 for sure since I do not have the pro scripts and it works. Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today. Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
On Apr 28, 2020, at 6:24 AM, Mario <mrb620@...> wrote:
according to an audio I found from Brian Hartgen, if you get the Zoom professional scripts, windows+alt+s disables the alerts globally. but if one downloads the free basic scripts, windows+alt+s only disables the alerts when in the client window.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Shai [mailto:shaiwol@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Monday, April 27, 2020, 7:20 PM
Subject: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications
That's correct Monica but that is only when one is in the Zoom
application. If a person elects to go to the desktop or any other part
of their pc, then the alert that the person has joined/left a meeting
will be indicated by JAWS again.
On 4/27/20, Monica S <mrod16@...> wrote:
Hi, I think you would press windows+alt+s to disable alerts.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit
Notifications
I have found that pressing JAWS + S until you hear ‘'”None” turns off screen
echo, which stops JAWS from announcing who has entered or left the meeting.
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
From: Richard Turner <mailto:richardturner42@...>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 8:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit
Notifications
Hi,
So, are the announcements of people entering or leaving considered an alert?
Like others, I’ve been thrown into learning zoom.
If those are alerts then they can be turned off, but it looks like all
alerts will be turned off. This is from pressing insert+h in Zoom with
Jaws.
.
Link‑ To enable or disable alerts, press Alt+Windows+S.
Link‑ To hear the most recent alert, press Alt+Windows+A.
Link‑ To be reminded of whether alert announcements are enabled or disabled,
press JAWSKey+Tab.
To review the last 10 alerts or messages, press Control+1 through to
Control+0. Press twice quickly to virtualise.
Link‑ To only allow chat messages when pressing Control+1 through to
Control+0 press control+F5.
Functionality has also been added to report:
The state of recording when ALT+R is pressed. This is a keystroke which
enables or disables the recording.
Whether the recording has been paused or is resuming when ALT+P is pressed.
Whether the audio has been muted for all participants when ALT+A is pressed.
The controls for scheduling and creating a meeting should also be easier to
understand.
Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland,
Oregon.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 5:26 AM
To: 'JAWS Main Discussion List' <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> >
Subject: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications
Hi all,
Below is a message I just sent to Zoom Tech Support. If you agree with my
opinion, please take a little time to send them similar requests. It’s more
effective if several people speak out.
Regards,
David
Hello,
I would like to report on a general problem, not specific to any meeting,
and make some suggestions. I am blind and use the JAWS screen reader
program. Like millions of other people, many blind people have increased
their use of the invaluable Zoom platform to stay in touch and conduct
business meetings in these challenging times.
As you know, when participants enter and leave meetings, it is announced. I
assume visual participants see something on the screen. Screen reader users
hear “John Smith has entered the meeting,” or “Sally Jones has left the
meeting.” Because we are forced to hear this audio, it often seriously
disrupts meetings, especially those with a large number of participants.
Presenters who use screen readers are frequently interrupted and thrown off
stride. Participants often have to ask presenters to repeat what they just
said. It can even be awkward and embarrassing. Imagine yourself in a meeting
conducted in a physical conference room. In the middle of a presentation,
somebody suddenly blurts out “My name is John Smith and I am leaving the
meeting.” He then gets up and walks out the door. Of course, everybody would
be shocked at this outrageous behavior. A milder form of this can happen in
Zoom meetings. To be perfectly frank, the main reason I leave meetings early
is that I no longer think the discussion worth my time. But I don’t want to
be forced to publicly proclaim it. One thing I recently figured out is to
rename myself as a fake phone number. That way, when I leave nobody knows
who I am. But I should not be compelled to resort to such devious behavior.
While there are ways that blind people can mute their screen reader program,
that only works for those individuals who know the keystrokes. It does not
help improve overall meeting quality for the other participants. And if I am
a presenter, I may need to hear my screen reader program, so I must unmute
it, causing me to hear this annoying verbiage again.
Giving participants and hosts the option to disable entry and exit
notifications would greatly improve the Zoom meeting experience for screen
reader users. I would suggest the following specific modifications to the
Zoom app on the PC.
For participants:
* In the Settings area accessed through the Home Tab, provide an option for
individuals to mute their individual entry/exit notification.
* Provide an additional option to mute such notifications for all
participants.
* In the Participants List area of the Meeting Controls window for meetings
you are currently participating in, add a disable entry/exit notifications
in the More options for individual participants dropdown.
For hosts:
* In the meetings Tab of the PC app, when scheduling meetings, add an option
to disable exit/entry notifications in the Advanced options dropdown.
* In the Participants List area of the Meeting Controls window for meetings
you are currently hosting, add a disable entry/exit notifications in the
More options for All participants dropdown.
It would be advisable to make similar modifications in the appropriate
places in the smartphone app.
Thank you for taking time to consider these ideas and hopefully implement
them . I strongly believe that if You make these modifications in a future
update, it will greatly improve the Zoom meeting experience for blind and
visually impaired users of the Zoom Cloud platform.
Regards,
David Kingsbury
Carroll Center for the Blind Confidentiality Notice: This email and any
files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the
use of the individual(s) addressed in the message above. This communication
may contain sensitive or confidential information. If you are not an
intended recipient dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this
email is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error and the
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Jaws 2020 April update
The latest Jaws 2020 April update, version 2020.2004.66, is available on the
Jaws website for download as of this morning.
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Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications
That keystroke works in the free Zoom. Its part of the scripts included in Jaws 2020 for sure since I do not have the pro scripts and it works.
Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com
On Apr 28, 2020, at 6:24 AM, Mario <mrb620@...> wrote:
according to an audio I found from Brian Hartgen, if you get the Zoom professional scripts, windows+alt+s disables the alerts globally. but if one downloads the free basic scripts, windows+alt+s only disables the alerts when in the client
window.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Shai [mailto:shaiwol@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Monday, April 27, 2020, 7:20 PM
Subject: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications
That's correct Monica but that is only when one is in the Zoom
application. If a person elects to go to the desktop or any other part
of their pc, then the alert that the person has joined/left a meeting
will be indicated by JAWS again.
On 4/27/20, Monica S <mrod16@...> wrote:
Hi, I think you would press windows+alt+s to disable alerts.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit
Notifications
I have found that pressing JAWS + S until you hear ‘'”None” turns off screen
echo, which stops JAWS from announcing who has entered or left the meeting.
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
From: Richard Turner <mailto:richardturner42@...>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 8:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit
Notifications
Hi,
So, are the announcements of people entering or leaving considered an alert?
Like others, I’ve been thrown into learning zoom.
If those are alerts then they can be turned off, but it looks like all
alerts will be turned off. This is from pressing insert+h in Zoom with
Jaws.
.
Link‑ To enable or disable alerts, press Alt+Windows+S.
Link‑ To hear the most recent alert, press Alt+Windows+A.
Link‑ To be reminded of whether alert announcements are enabled or disabled,
press JAWSKey+Tab.
To review the last 10 alerts or messages, press Control+1 through to
Control+0. Press twice quickly to virtualise.
Link‑ To only allow chat messages when pressing Control+1 through to
Control+0 press control+F5.
Functionality has also been added to report:
The state of recording when ALT+R is pressed. This is a keystroke which
enables or disables the recording.
Whether the recording has been paused or is resuming when ALT+P is pressed.
Whether the audio has been muted for all participants when ALT+A is pressed.
The controls for scheduling and creating a meeting should also be easier to
understand.
Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland,
Oregon.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 5:26 AM
To: 'JAWS Main Discussion List' <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> >
Subject: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications
Hi all,
Below is a message I just sent to Zoom Tech Support. If you agree with my
opinion, please take a little time to send them similar requests. It’s more
effective if several people speak out.
Regards,
David
Hello,
I would like to report on a general problem, not specific to any meeting,
and make some suggestions. I am blind and use the JAWS screen reader
program. Like millions of other people, many blind people have increased
their use of the invaluable Zoom platform to stay in touch and conduct
business meetings in these challenging times.
As you know, when participants enter and leave meetings, it is announced. I
assume visual participants see something on the screen. Screen reader users
hear “John Smith has entered the meeting,” or “Sally Jones has left the
meeting.” Because we are forced to hear this audio, it often seriously
disrupts meetings, especially those with a large number of participants.
Presenters who use screen readers are frequently interrupted and thrown off
stride. Participants often have to ask presenters to repeat what they just
said. It can even be awkward and embarrassing. Imagine yourself in a meeting
conducted in a physical conference room. In the middle of a presentation,
somebody suddenly blurts out “My name is John Smith and I am leaving the
meeting.” He then gets up and walks out the door. Of course, everybody would
be shocked at this outrageous behavior. A milder form of this can happen in
Zoom meetings. To be perfectly frank, the main reason I leave meetings early
is that I no longer think the discussion worth my time. But I don’t want to
be forced to publicly proclaim it. One thing I recently figured out is to
rename myself as a fake phone number. That way, when I leave nobody knows
who I am. But I should not be compelled to resort to such devious behavior.
While there are ways that blind people can mute their screen reader program,
that only works for those individuals who know the keystrokes. It does not
help improve overall meeting quality for the other participants. And if I am
a presenter, I may need to hear my screen reader program, so I must unmute
it, causing me to hear this annoying verbiage again.
Giving participants and hosts the option to disable entry and exit
notifications would greatly improve the Zoom meeting experience for screen
reader users. I would suggest the following specific modifications to the
Zoom app on the PC.
For participants:
* In the Settings area accessed through the Home Tab, provide an option for
individuals to mute their individual entry/exit notification.
* Provide an additional option to mute such notifications for all
participants.
* In the Participants List area of the Meeting Controls window for meetings
you are currently participating in, add a disable entry/exit notifications
in the More options for individual participants dropdown.
For hosts:
* In the meetings Tab of the PC app, when scheduling meetings, add an option
to disable exit/entry notifications in the Advanced options dropdown.
* In the Participants List area of the Meeting Controls window for meetings
you are currently hosting, add a disable entry/exit notifications in the
More options for All participants dropdown.
It would be advisable to make similar modifications in the appropriate
places in the smartphone app.
Thank you for taking time to consider these ideas and hopefully implement
them . I strongly believe that if You make these modifications in a future
update, it will greatly improve the Zoom meeting experience for blind and
visually impaired users of the Zoom Cloud platform.
Regards,
David Kingsbury
Carroll Center for the Blind Confidentiality Notice: This email and any
files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the
use of the individual(s) addressed in the message above. This communication
may contain sensitive or confidential information. If you are not an
intended recipient dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this
email is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error and the
email contains private information, please contact the Carroll Center
Compliance Line at 617-969-6200 x. 214. If the email was sent to you in
error but does not contain private information, please contact the sender
and delete the email.
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Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications
according to an audio I found from Brian Hartgen, if you get the Zoom professional scripts, windows+alt+s disables the alerts globally. but if one downloads the free basic scripts, windows+alt+s only disables the alerts when in the client window.
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-------- Original Message --------
From: Shai [mailto:shaiwol@gmail.com]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Monday, April 27, 2020, 7:20 PM
Subject: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications
That's correct Monica but that is only when one is in the Zoom
application. If a person elects to go to the desktop or any other part
of their pc, then the alert that the person has joined/left a meeting
will be indicated by JAWS again.
On 4/27/20, Monica S <mrod16@att.net> wrote:
Hi, I think you would press windows+alt+s to disable alerts.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit
Notifications
I have found that pressing JAWS + S until you hear ‘'”None” turns off screen
echo, which stops JAWS from announcing who has entered or left the meeting.
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
From: Richard Turner <mailto:richardturner42@outlook.com>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 8:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit
Notifications
Hi,
So, are the announcements of people entering or leaving considered an alert?
Like others, I’ve been thrown into learning zoom.
If those are alerts then they can be turned off, but it looks like all
alerts will be turned off. This is from pressing insert+h in Zoom with
Jaws.
.
Link‑ To enable or disable alerts, press Alt+Windows+S.
Link‑ To hear the most recent alert, press Alt+Windows+A.
Link‑ To be reminded of whether alert announcements are enabled or disabled,
press JAWSKey+Tab.
To review the last 10 alerts or messages, press Control+1 through to
Control+0. Press twice quickly to virtualise.
Link‑ To only allow chat messages when pressing Control+1 through to
Control+0 press control+F5.
Functionality has also been added to report:
The state of recording when ALT+R is pressed. This is a keystroke which
enables or disables the recording.
Whether the recording has been paused or is resuming when ALT+P is pressed.
Whether the audio has been muted for all participants when ALT+A is pressed.
The controls for scheduling and creating a meeting should also be easier to
understand.
Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland,
Oregon.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 5:26 AM
To: 'JAWS Main Discussion List' <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> >
Subject: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications
Hi all,
Below is a message I just sent to Zoom Tech Support. If you agree with my
opinion, please take a little time to send them similar requests. It’s more
effective if several people speak out.
Regards,
David
Hello,
I would like to report on a general problem, not specific to any meeting,
and make some suggestions. I am blind and use the JAWS screen reader
program. Like millions of other people, many blind people have increased
their use of the invaluable Zoom platform to stay in touch and conduct
business meetings in these challenging times.
As you know, when participants enter and leave meetings, it is announced. I
assume visual participants see something on the screen. Screen reader users
hear “John Smith has entered the meeting,” or “Sally Jones has left the
meeting.” Because we are forced to hear this audio, it often seriously
disrupts meetings, especially those with a large number of participants.
Presenters who use screen readers are frequently interrupted and thrown off
stride. Participants often have to ask presenters to repeat what they just
said. It can even be awkward and embarrassing. Imagine yourself in a meeting
conducted in a physical conference room. In the middle of a presentation,
somebody suddenly blurts out “My name is John Smith and I am leaving the
meeting.” He then gets up and walks out the door. Of course, everybody would
be shocked at this outrageous behavior. A milder form of this can happen in
Zoom meetings. To be perfectly frank, the main reason I leave meetings early
is that I no longer think the discussion worth my time. But I don’t want to
be forced to publicly proclaim it. One thing I recently figured out is to
rename myself as a fake phone number. That way, when I leave nobody knows
who I am. But I should not be compelled to resort to such devious behavior.
While there are ways that blind people can mute their screen reader program,
that only works for those individuals who know the keystrokes. It does not
help improve overall meeting quality for the other participants. And if I am
a presenter, I may need to hear my screen reader program, so I must unmute
it, causing me to hear this annoying verbiage again.
Giving participants and hosts the option to disable entry and exit
notifications would greatly improve the Zoom meeting experience for screen
reader users. I would suggest the following specific modifications to the
Zoom app on the PC.
For participants:
* In the Settings area accessed through the Home Tab, provide an option for
individuals to mute their individual entry/exit notification.
* Provide an additional option to mute such notifications for all
participants.
* In the Participants List area of the Meeting Controls window for meetings
you are currently participating in, add a disable entry/exit notifications
in the More options for individual participants dropdown.
For hosts:
* In the meetings Tab of the PC app, when scheduling meetings, add an option
to disable exit/entry notifications in the Advanced options dropdown.
* In the Participants List area of the Meeting Controls window for meetings
you are currently hosting, add a disable entry/exit notifications in the
More options for All participants dropdown.
It would be advisable to make similar modifications in the appropriate
places in the smartphone app.
Thank you for taking time to consider these ideas and hopefully implement
them . I strongly believe that if You make these modifications in a future
update, it will greatly improve the Zoom meeting experience for blind and
visually impaired users of the Zoom Cloud platform.
Regards,
David Kingsbury
Carroll Center for the Blind Confidentiality Notice: This email and any
files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the
use of the individual(s) addressed in the message above. This communication
may contain sensitive or confidential information. If you are not an
intended recipient dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this
email is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error and the
email contains private information, please contact the Carroll Center
Compliance Line at 617-969-6200 x. 214. If the email was sent to you in
error but does not contain private information, please contact the sender
and delete the email.
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Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi Dave,
Jaws 2020. I have also tried it with jaws2018 which works fine.
Pat
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-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber Sent: Tuesday 28 April 2020 13:17 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly. Hello Patrick: Which version of JAWS is set to start when Windows starts, JFW 18 or 2020? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Murphy" <murphy.patrick42@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 6:41 PM Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly. Hi,
Thanks for your response. I am now more convinced than ever, that it is an
authorization problem. My internet just went down, and jaws started
correctly.
I have set the computer to not connect to the internet and it works just
fine.
When the pc does have an internet connection, it doesn't.
I think that, therefore, when it is checking while loading (grace period),
it gets into a mess.
I will update if i can prove this definitely.
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Monday 27 April 2020 17:19
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
The fact is that you won't have a choice but to upgrade anyways sooner or
later and with another Windows 10 update coming very soon it may be sooner
rather than later. Even now the emoji panel, for example, is not useable
to
you with Jaws 2018 and in time there may be other features. If you use
Office you will find that it works best with the latest version of Jaws
and
while I know you said there is always NVDA that is a call you have to
make,
it wouldn't work for an old Jaws guy like me, I tried it and I just can't
get used to how they do stuff. Maybe I don't want to get used to it
because
I have always kept up my SMA and always used the latest version of Jaws,
but
once again, that is everybody's choice. All I can say is that is not an
issue I have heard about before hence it must be specific to your
configuration. I am not usually somebody who says reinstalling Windows
from
scratch should be your first option, but if you can't or don't want to get a
h old of Jaws support to see what they may suggest and if this is a big
deal
for you otherwise I'd say this maybe an option.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 12:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi Andrew,
i tried that.
in jaws 2018, it will let me reactivate using my full licence. it asks me
for my actual authorization number.
however, when i do this, jaws 2020 is not authorized, as i do not have a
valid internet licence for that.
this will eliminate the checking and validation of a proper licence, so
the
problem goes away.
i know this, because when i first installed it, it was running in 40
minute
mode, and there was absolutely no problem.
once i installed the 90 day ilm key, it would not load the jaws window at
all after that.
as i said, i can quit and restart jaws 2020 and it works fine.
i think i am left with two options.
one, do as you say and reactivate my jaws 2018 with my old licence and run
jaws 2020 in 40 minute mode.
two, update to jaws 2020 altogether.
if then, the problem goes away, great. if not, i have just wasted the
price
of an upgrade.
regards,
pat
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew
Summers via groups.io
Sent: Sunday 26 April 2020 16:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Pat,
Have you gone to the JAWS help and come down to License sub menu and then
pressed enter on Update Activation...
If not please try that!
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: 26 April 2020 13:49
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi Andrew,
There is no jaws window when jaws 2020 starts up. I have to exit it and
start it again in order to gain access to anything.
I tried your suggestion some time ago. The remove authorization option
will
not remove the ilm key.
Pat
ent from my gmail account
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew
Summers via groups.io
Sent: Sunday 26 April 2020 11:44
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi Pat,
If you go to the JAWS window, and then press the menu bar and go to the
Utilities menu, you will find in there Explore Utilities Folder.
Press enter on that.
In there is an option to Remove JAWS Activation, press enter.
HTH
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: 26 April 2020 08:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi Dave,
Yes, i am on the last version of jaws 2018 which is all i am entitled to.
I did use the jaws import wizard to copy my shared settings.
I have a 90 day ilm key just to try out jaws 2020.
Jaws2020 and jaws2018 are now both authorized using the same 90 day key
for
some reason.
With regards to settings etc, i uninstalled both, reinstalled both,
removed
both again with all settings and shared components, reinstalled jaws2020,
but still the problem exists.
One peculiar thing though, i started up my computer yesterday from a
shutdown, and everything with jaws2020 worked fine.
I did the exact same thing just now, and the problem came back.
I am convinced at this stage, that it does have something to do with the
new
"grace period" authorization function introduced in jaws 2019.
I think it is loading before it knows for certain whether or not you have
a
valid key. Sometimes the check works, and sometimes it doesn't and jaws
half
loads with no actual jaws window.
I also think, that it might have something to do with the ilm key, as this
is a very old type of authorization for a pc, as against the internet
activation method. However, i am not paying for an upgrade until i can get a
definite sort-out for this problem. As i said in another post, there is
always nvda, but i would rather stay with jaws.
Regards,
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday 25 April 2020 10:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hello Pat:
Question 1: With JAWS 18, are you on the last upgrade for your current
SMA?
Which is why you are using the temporary license for JAWS 2020, so you can
try its new and upgraded features?
Question 2: did you use the JAWS function, which copies the settings you
set
in JAWS 18 to JAWS 2020?
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Murphy" <murphy.patrick42@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi Sieghard,
Thanks for that. I am actually in Ireland, but i will try this and see
what response i get.
Do you have their skype number?
Pat
Sent from my gmail account.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday 25 April 2020 05:01
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Patrick, are you in the UK? What number do you call? I can see how an
email could take several days to receive a reply, but if you call
their regular US number (if you are in the UK an duse Skype you can
even call their toll free
number) you should get somebody on the line right away.
The regular number is +1 727-803-8600.
Best regards,
Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick
Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi,
I too agree with bill.
I sent two emails about jaws 2020 not starting correctly, and got
nothing back but "thanks for your email".
Sent from my gmail account.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 18:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi, Merv. I don't understand, then, why they didn't get back to me the
other day, when I put in my callback number.
Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv
Keck
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Vispero is not closed due to COVID-19. Everyone is working as usual.
If you need technical, customer, or sales support call vispero as
usual. Vispero has not ever closed due to the virus. They are
continuing to support their customers as usual.
Merv
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 1:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi, Patrick. Even if JAWS starts before Windows starts, eventually you
should get to the desktop, as JAWS is made to start before many
programs, and after they load, JAWS still provides voicing, screen
content and navigation. If you wish, since Vispero is temporarily
closed due to COVID-19, you may give me a call at,
714-835-6295,
and I will stay on the phone with you to see what is happening.
I hope I may be able to help you.
Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi,
Yes, latest version of windows 10 home edition with all necessary and
optional updates installed.
Checked yesterday, and there is no further updates needed.
Downloaded the latest version of jaws from freedom scientific and used
it.
All apps in startup are turned off, apart from the necessary ones such
as the audio drivers etc that are actually necessary.
There is an application file for jaws set to "on". I set this to "off"
just
in case, but no difference.
Pat
Sent from my gmail account.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Abraham Sweiss
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Is windows fully patched.
Are you installing the latest version of jaws. I think It is the March
release I believe.
Thanks,abraham
On Apr 24, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Patrick Murphy
<murphy.patrick42@gmail.com> wrote:
I did this, but no results.
I disabled both start at logon screen and start for this user always
in
jaws
2018.
I then set them for jaws 2020.
Only one should load.
However, i did notice one peculiar thing.
When i set either of them to "always start for this user", the option
changes for both versions. I cannot set 2018 to "never" and 2020 to
"always". No matter where i change it (20158 or 2020), it defaults to
the same thing in both versions. The only independant thing is "start
at the logon screen". This is different when set in both versions.
Sent from my gmail account.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
The problem may be as I had. Both versions, 18 and 20 are fighting to
load at same time. Go into whatever version you do not want to load
and correct this and be sure the version you want to load is properly
set. Then I do believe this will be better...
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick
Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi,
I wasn't aware of this feature, but you could be right. Now that i
think of
it, it started right after i installed the temporary authorization
(90 days)
that i was given to try it out.
That could explain why 2018 works and 2020 doesn't. If it checks
while windows is loading, it could be a problem. When i stop and
restart it, it is
fine, but then windows is fully up at that time.
Any way to disable/check/change this or something?
Pat
Sent from my gmail account.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 14:34
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
might that be the JAWS feature touted as new in either 2019 or 2020, saying
that JAWS will speak before checking your authorization, so you don't
have to wait so long to hear that it is running. However, it doesn't
do anything
till it makes internal checks and decides what context you are
running in.
So in my opinion it is a totally useless change which FS calls an
improvement.
At 07:59 AM 4/24/2020, you wrote:
Hi Mike,
I have tried all this, I tried to post a full message about
everything last night, but it was not approved. I think it was too big.
Regardless of what I do with jaws2020 (login screen etc), the first
time it starts up, there is no window to go to.
Insert+j brings you nowhere whether it is running from system tray
Insert+or not.
If you shut it down (insert+f4) and then restart it, everything is ok.
If you don't start it at the login screen, it still produces no window.
Pat
Sent from my gmail account.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike B
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 13:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
It sounds like J2020 is set to start on the log-in screen. If
you're saying that there's no Jaws window when you, Alt + tab, you
probably have J2020 running from the system tray. To find the
settings for both these items press, Insert + J, to open the Jaws
context menu, press the letter, O, to open, Options, and press the
letter, B, to open,
Basic.
Now tab to Automatically start Jaws...
button and press the spacebar to find your Jaws start settings and
tab to Okay and press the spacebar when you're through in here. Now
tab 3 times or so to, Run Jaws from system tray, and uncheck this if
you want the Jaws window to be in the, Alt + Tab, order, then tab to
Okay and press enter to save / close.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when
I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:murphy.patrick42@gmail.com>Patrick Murphy
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 2:37 AM
Subject: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi,
I am new to this group, so i hope i am doing this right.
I have jaws2018 and 2020. 2018 works fine, but when 2020 starts,
there is no jaws window.
It seems to be starting before windows 10 has loaded.
I uninstalled and reinstalled it, but there was no change.
Any ideas?
Regards,
Pat
Sent from my gmail account.
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Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hello Patrick:
Which version of JAWS is set to start when Windows starts, JFW 18 or 2020?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Murphy" <murphy.patrick42@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 6:41 PM Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly. Hi,
Thanks for your response. I am now more convinced than ever, that it is an
authorization problem. My internet just went down, and jaws started
correctly.
I have set the computer to not connect to the internet and it works just
fine.
When the pc does have an internet connection, it doesn't.
I think that, therefore, when it is checking while loading (grace period),
it gets into a mess.
I will update if i can prove this definitely.
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Monday 27 April 2020 17:19
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
The fact is that you won't have a choice but to upgrade anyways sooner or
later and with another Windows 10 update coming very soon it may be sooner
rather than later. Even now the emoji panel, for example, is not useable to
you with Jaws 2018 and in time there may be other features. If you use
Office you will find that it works best with the latest version of Jaws and
while I know you said there is always NVDA that is a call you have to make,
it wouldn't work for an old Jaws guy like me, I tried it and I just can't
get used to how they do stuff. Maybe I don't want to get used to it because
I have always kept up my SMA and always used the latest version of Jaws, but
once again, that is everybody's choice. All I can say is that is not an
issue I have heard about before hence it must be specific to your
configuration. I am not usually somebody who says reinstalling Windows from
scratch should be your first option, but if you can't or don't want to get a
h old of Jaws support to see what they may suggest and if this is a big deal
for you otherwise I'd say this maybe an option.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 12:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi Andrew,
i tried that.
in jaws 2018, it will let me reactivate using my full licence. it asks me
for my actual authorization number.
however, when i do this, jaws 2020 is not authorized, as i do not have a
valid internet licence for that.
this will eliminate the checking and validation of a proper licence, so the
problem goes away.
i know this, because when i first installed it, it was running in 40 minute
mode, and there was absolutely no problem.
once i installed the 90 day ilm key, it would not load the jaws window at
all after that.
as i said, i can quit and restart jaws 2020 and it works fine.
i think i am left with two options.
one, do as you say and reactivate my jaws 2018 with my old licence and run
jaws 2020 in 40 minute mode.
two, update to jaws 2020 altogether.
if then, the problem goes away, great. if not, i have just wasted the price
of an upgrade.
regards,
pat
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew
Summers via groups.io
Sent: Sunday 26 April 2020 16:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Pat,
Have you gone to the JAWS help and come down to License sub menu and then
pressed enter on Update Activation...
If not please try that!
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: 26 April 2020 13:49
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi Andrew,
There is no jaws window when jaws 2020 starts up. I have to exit it and
start it again in order to gain access to anything.
I tried your suggestion some time ago. The remove authorization option will
not remove the ilm key.
Pat
ent from my gmail account
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew
Summers via groups.io
Sent: Sunday 26 April 2020 11:44
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi Pat,
If you go to the JAWS window, and then press the menu bar and go to the
Utilities menu, you will find in there Explore Utilities Folder.
Press enter on that.
In there is an option to Remove JAWS Activation, press enter.
HTH
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: 26 April 2020 08:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi Dave,
Yes, i am on the last version of jaws 2018 which is all i am entitled to.
I did use the jaws import wizard to copy my shared settings.
I have a 90 day ilm key just to try out jaws 2020.
Jaws2020 and jaws2018 are now both authorized using the same 90 day key for
some reason.
With regards to settings etc, i uninstalled both, reinstalled both, removed
both again with all settings and shared components, reinstalled jaws2020,
but still the problem exists.
One peculiar thing though, i started up my computer yesterday from a
shutdown, and everything with jaws2020 worked fine.
I did the exact same thing just now, and the problem came back.
I am convinced at this stage, that it does have something to do with the new
"grace period" authorization function introduced in jaws 2019.
I think it is loading before it knows for certain whether or not you have a
valid key. Sometimes the check works, and sometimes it doesn't and jaws half
loads with no actual jaws window.
I also think, that it might have something to do with the ilm key, as this
is a very old type of authorization for a pc, as against the internet
activation method. However, i am not paying for an upgrade until i can get a
definite sort-out for this problem. As i said in another post, there is
always nvda, but i would rather stay with jaws.
Regards,
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday 25 April 2020 10:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hello Pat:
Question 1: With JAWS 18, are you on the last upgrade for your current SMA?
Which is why you are using the temporary license for JAWS 2020, so you can
try its new and upgraded features?
Question 2: did you use the JAWS function, which copies the settings you set
in JAWS 18 to JAWS 2020?
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Murphy" <murphy.patrick42@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi Sieghard,
Thanks for that. I am actually in Ireland, but i will try this and see
what response i get.
Do you have their skype number?
Pat
Sent from my gmail account.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday 25 April 2020 05:01
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Patrick, are you in the UK? What number do you call? I can see how an
email could take several days to receive a reply, but if you call
their regular US number (if you are in the UK an duse Skype you can
even call their toll free
number) you should get somebody on the line right away.
The regular number is +1 727-803-8600.
Best regards,
Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick
Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi,
I too agree with bill.
I sent two emails about jaws 2020 not starting correctly, and got
nothing back but "thanks for your email".
Sent from my gmail account.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 18:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi, Merv. I don't understand, then, why they didn't get back to me the
other day, when I put in my callback number.
Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv
Keck
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Vispero is not closed due to COVID-19. Everyone is working as usual.
If you need technical, customer, or sales support call vispero as
usual. Vispero has not ever closed due to the virus. They are
continuing to support their customers as usual.
Merv
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 1:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi, Patrick. Even if JAWS starts before Windows starts, eventually you
should get to the desktop, as JAWS is made to start before many
programs, and after they load, JAWS still provides voicing, screen
content and navigation. If you wish, since Vispero is temporarily
closed due to COVID-19, you may give me a call at,
714-835-6295,
and I will stay on the phone with you to see what is happening.
I hope I may be able to help you.
Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi,
Yes, latest version of windows 10 home edition with all necessary and
optional updates installed.
Checked yesterday, and there is no further updates needed.
Downloaded the latest version of jaws from freedom scientific and used it.
All apps in startup are turned off, apart from the necessary ones such
as the audio drivers etc that are actually necessary.
There is an application file for jaws set to "on". I set this to "off"
just
in case, but no difference.
Pat
Sent from my gmail account.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Abraham Sweiss
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Is windows fully patched.
Are you installing the latest version of jaws. I think It is the March
release I believe.
Thanks,abraham
On Apr 24, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Patrick Murphy
<murphy.patrick42@gmail.com> wrote:
I did this, but no results.
I disabled both start at logon screen and start for this user always
in
jaws
2018.
I then set them for jaws 2020.
Only one should load.
However, i did notice one peculiar thing.
When i set either of them to "always start for this user", the option
changes for both versions. I cannot set 2018 to "never" and 2020 to
"always". No matter where i change it (20158 or 2020), it defaults to
the same thing in both versions. The only independant thing is "start
at the logon screen". This is different when set in both versions.
Sent from my gmail account.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
The problem may be as I had. Both versions, 18 and 20 are fighting to
load at same time. Go into whatever version you do not want to load
and correct this and be sure the version you want to load is properly
set. Then I do believe this will be better...
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick
Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi,
I wasn't aware of this feature, but you could be right. Now that i
think of
it, it started right after i installed the temporary authorization
(90 days)
that i was given to try it out.
That could explain why 2018 works and 2020 doesn't. If it checks
while windows is loading, it could be a problem. When i stop and
restart it, it is
fine, but then windows is fully up at that time.
Any way to disable/check/change this or something?
Pat
Sent from my gmail account.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 14:34
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
might that be the JAWS feature touted as new in either 2019 or 2020, saying
that JAWS will speak before checking your authorization, so you don't
have to wait so long to hear that it is running. However, it doesn't
do anything
till it makes internal checks and decides what context you are
running in.
So in my opinion it is a totally useless change which FS calls an
improvement.
At 07:59 AM 4/24/2020, you wrote:
Hi Mike,
I have tried all this, I tried to post a full message about
everything last night, but it was not approved. I think it was too big.
Regardless of what I do with jaws2020 (login screen etc), the first
time it starts up, there is no window to go to.
Insert+j brings you nowhere whether it is running from system tray
Insert+or not.
If you shut it down (insert+f4) and then restart it, everything is ok.
If you don't start it at the login screen, it still produces no window.
Pat
Sent from my gmail account.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike B
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 13:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
It sounds like J2020 is set to start on the log-in screen. If
you're saying that there's no Jaws window when you, Alt + tab, you
probably have J2020 running from the system tray. To find the
settings for both these items press, Insert + J, to open the Jaws
context menu, press the letter, O, to open, Options, and press the
letter, B, to open,
Basic.
Now tab to Automatically start Jaws...
button and press the spacebar to find your Jaws start settings and
tab to Okay and press the spacebar when you're through in here. Now
tab 3 times or so to, Run Jaws from system tray, and uncheck this if
you want the Jaws window to be in the, Alt + Tab, order, then tab to
Okay and press enter to save / close.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when
I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:murphy.patrick42@gmail.com>Patrick Murphy
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 2:37 AM
Subject: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.
Hi,
I am new to this group, so i hope i am doing this right.
I have jaws2018 and 2020. 2018 works fine, but when 2020 starts,
there is no jaws window.
It seems to be starting before windows 10 has loaded.
I uninstalled and reinstalled it, but there was no change.
Any ideas?
Regards,
Pat
Sent from my gmail account.
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I was just trying to sign something and it had an area where I had to draw something and no way I saw to get into screen reader mode where I could just type my name -- that is what I was looking for. On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 22:48:42 -0400, Zel Iscel wrote:
I don't use a screen reader mode.
Are you trying to upload documents for signing or downloading them to read and sign?
I've only downloaded contracts to read and sign. I've not tried to upload documents so I don't know how accessible that is.
Cheers
Zel
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Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@inclusiveworld.com.au
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2020 3:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Docusign
I think this was roughly March of this year. There may be a screen reader mode, but I didn't see an obvious way to invoke it, how would you do that?
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 01:23:16 -0400,
Zel Iscel wrote:
When was that, John.
I tested it a year ago and it wasn't very good but they'v'e improved it since then.
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Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@inclusiveworld.com.au
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Saturday, 25 April 2020 1:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Docusign
I was never able to use docusign unassisted, it wanted me to draw the signature and in my case it did not have a screen reader mode anywhere I saw.
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 01:13:37 -0400,
Zel Iscel wrote:
[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>] Docusign works very
well for me. You can download the document, read it and then sign each page that needs signing, but signatures are done via the internet. So, you can read your docs in Adobe Acrobat and then sign through your internet browser.
I use Docusign with Brave and Google Chrome and both work well with it.
Cheers
Zel
image001.jpg
Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@inclusiveworld.com.au<mailto:zel@inclusiveworld.com.au>
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richele
Pennock
Sent: Saturday, 25 April 2020 2:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Docusign
Hello there,
We are looking at using Docusign. Does anyone have any experience to know if this is accessible with screen reader software? Thank you!
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John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com
-- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com
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Judy Redlich <jredlichspeaks@...>
I just signed several documents with it. I was using Jaws 19. Actually, I
was surprised at how easy it was.
Judy
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-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 12:23 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Docusign When was that, John. I tested it a year ago and it wasn't very good but they'v'e improved it since then. image001.jpg Zel Iscel Disability Specialist Inclusive World Mobile: 0413813885 Email: zel@inclusiveworld.com.au -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici Sent: Saturday, 25 April 2020 1:18 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Docusign I was never able to use docusign unassisted, it wanted me to draw the signature and in my case it did not have a screen reader mode anywhere I saw. On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 01:13:37 -0400, Zel Iscel wrote:
[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>] Docusign works very
well for me. You can download the document, read it and then sign each
page that needs signing, but signatures are done via the internet. So, you can read your docs in Adobe Acrobat and then sign through your internet browser. I use Docusign with Brave and Google Chrome and both work well with it.
Cheers
Zel
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Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@inclusiveworld.com.au<mailto:zel@inclusiveworld.com.au>
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richele
Pennock
Sent: Saturday, 25 April 2020 2:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Docusign
Hello there,
We are looking at using Docusign. Does anyone have any experience to know if this is accessible with screen reader software? Thank you!
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-- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com
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