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Re: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Dorothy <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
 

Yes of course you are right it was a turn of phrase. In my case a good
while ago, I had to get to the bottom of the problem, It was actually
diagnosed by a young man doing research name was Will pearson, I do not
know where will is now. But it was confirmed only when unable to bear any
more I recorded everything and as I have said before I sent it all to Dr Lee
Hamilton at st Petersberg., why dr Hamilton? I was sent an email by a
sighted friend saying"bigwigs at Fs and I read their cv and he seemed
clever. I rang in advance and spoke to his Pa,her name was Grace, she told
me how to address the package and she personally would see dr Hamilton got
it. Well after a while I had a phone call from Bryan carver director of
technical support. He told me "you are right we ran tests and replicated all
the problems you had. I asked when will you fix it please? He said I fear
we cannot,reason it could not be fixed by a script, if that were possible
the script writer at the vendors office in uk could have done it. Then
another friend thought of another product that would run with jaws and not
upset it,that was Lunar not an fs product.. He was right Magic? No magic
made it worse. However I was by that time determined if they would not could
not fix it to get a work a round myself a Local engineer just a mainstream
engineer said,he had once worked for a firm of electronics, the company had
shut down,he said I will make you a box to invert the screen, it would not
interfere with jaws and have a switch that switch couldbe just pushed up and
the screen be inverted,so I would have black screen and white font. We
called it a "switching box", trouble is time went buy and I could not get to
see a prototype, he said he was having problems with three of the colours
and couldnot eliminate a large amount of white around the screen He
mentioned 3 colours I think he said Hexadecimals. In the end I realised he
was not able to admit defeat and got the dolphin Lunar. No I am not mad I
just was cross at the time since getting the problem aired was too hard if
the problem had been admitted by vendor,and I not blamed I would have just
acceptedit.. dorothy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Charles Coe
Sent: 01 October 2011 19:58
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS saying the thing that is not


I do not think a software program can lie only that it's programmer made an
error. Only human lie.

It looks as if this might be a focus problem with JAWS. The only thing I
have experienced is that JAWS will read the title of a email message even
after I had deleted it. Secondly JAWS will inform me that there is an
update but when I go to look for what that update is, it isn't there!

charles

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Dorothy
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:58 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Yes if they listen of course, a teacher should not have to point out to her
students that the product tends to lie! regards dorothy

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: 01 October 2011 16:11
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Ann,

Using JAWS 12.0.525 regularly and occasionally testing JAWS 13.0.171. XP Pro

32-bit.

To varying degrees I've also heard the reporting of the wrong line in
documents. I've not noticed the announcement of a previous application when
launching a new one, however.

but I can agree that depending on the context, a number might get the th or
rd added when reading line-by-line or in say all. It tends to happen when
the preceding word is interpreted as a month or its abbreviation. Never
could figure out how to turn that off.

And of course also being a long-time JAWS user I've learned to ignore these
quirks. But I can understand how a new student would be confused is the
speech were not as accurate as it should be.
Good points to bring up to Freedom Scientific.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann byrne" <annakb@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:31
Subject: JAWS saying the thing that is not


Maybe I'm just getting cranky---a definite possibility--but I find
myself saying more and more often to my students, "JAWS is lying to you."

1. When opening a new document or application, JAWS often rereads
the previous screen before reading the screen it just opened. To a
newby, this is way confusing.

2. When reading dates, JAWS speaks a 'th' or 'st' or 'rd' after the
date, even though it isn't there. It is important to me to know what
I wrote, not what JAWS thinks I want to hear.

3. When working with an outline in Word 2010, JAWS often but not
consistently reports the line I just pressed enter on, and not the
new line with the outline number. So when I'm planning a party--my
favorite outline--it says "2. send invitations' and not '3', which is
where the cursor is.

I don't think I'm imagining this. Is anyone else having these kinds
of issues???

thanks.

Ann



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Re: Blind Tunes Translation to new languages

John Martyn
 

How's the dutch translation coming along?
John Martyn

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Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: Blind Tunes Translation to new languages


John,

The work for Dutch is nearlly completed.
Did you change things in the last 1,5 months?


Op 17-9-2011 23:49, John Martyn schreef:
Hi all,
As for wrapping up the blind tunes project, I am focusing on the translations for it. You can translate to any language you like and I need some volunteers.
Already I have the following languages going or in process:
Dutch, finnish, hebrew, portuguese, spanish, swedish, and italian.
If uou would like to take a swing at it and would like being included in the special thanks section, please write back to Support@...
Thanks so much for your contributions thus far,
John Martyn
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Re: Blind tunes Need Portuguese and German translators

John Martyn
 

Did you get the german translation files? I got a message that the email was delayed or something to that effect.
Thanks,
John Martyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mann, Madleen" <Madleen.Mann@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:56 AM
Subject: RE: Blind tunes Need Portuguese and German translators


Hi John,

I could do the german translation
I am a native German,
E-mail me the files if you can and by when you'd like them returned and
I will see to do this asap!

Thanks, Madleen

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 28 September 2011 02:53
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.; blindtunesbeta@...;
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Subject: Blind tunes Need Portuguese and German translators

Hi all, sorry to bother,
I had someone that was doing the portuguese and german
translations but they seem to have dropped off the radar.
Is there any takers for translating the message files for Blind Tunes?
You don't need to be an expert in scripting and I do provide
instructions.
Thank you all so much. The language pack should include about 9 other
languages. And Blind Tunes is seeing record activity on the site from
all around the world.
You could earn your place in the special thanks section too!
So far in process and done are:
Dutch, English of course, Finnish, French, Hebrew, Italian, Swedish, and
Spanish.
But I need German and Portuguese.
You can email me at Support@...
Thanks for your attention!
John Martyn
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Re: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Charles Coe
 

I do not think a software program can lie only that it's programmer made an
error. Only human lie.

It looks as if this might be a focus problem with JAWS. The only thing I
have experienced is that JAWS will read the title of a email message even
after I had deleted it. Secondly JAWS will inform me that there is an
update but when I go to look for what that update is, it isn't there!

charles

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dorothy
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:58 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Yes if they listen of course, a teacher should not have to point out to her
students that the product tends to lie! regards dorothy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: 01 October 2011 16:11
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Ann,

Using JAWS 12.0.525 regularly and occasionally testing JAWS 13.0.171. XP Pro

32-bit.

To varying degrees I've also heard the reporting of the wrong line in
documents. I've not noticed the announcement of a previous application when
launching a new one, however.

but I can agree that depending on the context, a number might get the th or
rd added when reading line-by-line or in say all. It tends to happen when
the preceding word is interpreted as a month or its abbreviation. Never
could figure out how to turn that off.

And of course also being a long-time JAWS user I've learned to ignore these
quirks. But I can understand how a new student would be confused is the
speech were not as accurate as it should be.
Good points to bring up to Freedom Scientific.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann byrne" <annakb@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:31
Subject: JAWS saying the thing that is not


Maybe I'm just getting cranky---a definite possibility--but I find
myself saying more and more often to my students, "JAWS is lying to you."

1. When opening a new document or application, JAWS often rereads
the previous screen before reading the screen it just opened. To a
newby, this is way confusing.

2. When reading dates, JAWS speaks a 'th' or 'st' or 'rd' after the
date, even though it isn't there. It is important to me to know what
I wrote, not what JAWS thinks I want to hear.

3. When working with an outline in Word 2010, JAWS often but not
consistently reports the line I just pressed enter on, and not the
new line with the outline number. So when I'm planning a party--my
favorite outline--it says "2. send invitations' and not '3', which is
where the cursor is.

I don't think I'm imagining this. Is anyone else having these kinds
of issues???

thanks.

Ann



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Re: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Adrian Spratt
 

Dave and Ann,

Responding to the education angle, I imagine that compounding the problem
is that JAWS's quirks vary from machine to machine. I am not a teacher by
profession, but I have taught a few people how to use JAWS. Fortunately, one
has none of the problems with her machine mentioned in this thread, while
another's has problems I don't. So you have to be aware that the student may
not be making a mistake and that, instead, JAWS is making it for him/her. Or
else you second-guess yourself and figure maybe JAWS is making the mistake
when, in fact, it's the student.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 11:11 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Ann,

Using JAWS 12.0.525 regularly and occasionally testing JAWS 13.0.171. XP Pro
32-bit.

To varying degrees I've also heard the reporting of the wrong line in
documents. I've not noticed the announcement of a previous application when
launching a new one, however.

but I can agree that depending on the context, a number might get the th or
rd added when reading line-by-line or in say all. It tends to happen when
the preceding word is interpreted as a month or its abbreviation. Never
could figure out how to turn that off.

And of course also being a long-time JAWS user I've learned to ignore these
quirks. But I can understand how a new student would be confused is the
speech were not as accurate as it should be.
Good points to bring up to Freedom Scientific.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann byrne" <annakb@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:31
Subject: JAWS saying the thing that is not


Maybe I'm just getting cranky---a definite possibility--but I find
myself saying more and more often to my students, "JAWS is lying to you."

1. When opening a new document or application, JAWS often rereads
the previous screen before reading the screen it just opened. To a
newby, this is way confusing.

2. When reading dates, JAWS speaks a 'th' or 'st' or 'rd' after the
date, even though it isn't there. It is important to me to know what
I wrote, not what JAWS thinks I want to hear.

3. When working with an outline in Word 2010, JAWS often but not
consistently reports the line I just pressed enter on, and not the
new line with the outline number. So when I'm planning a party--my
favorite outline--it says "2. send invitations' and not '3', which is
where the cursor is.

I don't think I'm imagining this. Is anyone else having these kinds
of issues???

thanks.

Ann



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Re: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Adrian Spratt
 

Cy, what interests me here is that you're having this problem with the last
release of JAWS 11. I did experience it with earlier releases of that
version, but hardly ever, if at all, with this one. Hence my frustration
when I find it all over again in JAWS 12, last release, when I finally, um,
upgraded.

Once JAWS gets it into its head that it's supposed to repeat a message, it
keeps doing so even when I open other messages. Sometimes switching to
another folder and then back into my inbox unsticks it. Sometimes I have to
unload JAWS and bring it up again. Time-consuming and distracting. So I keep
going back to that release of JAWS 11 after starting with 12. I'm sorry it
hasn't had the same salutary effect for you.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 1:08 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Hi,
I am using JAWS 11, latest version on both my W7 laptop and my Dell XP
machine.
I have noticed that, when going through my email, JAWS will occasionally not
read the one I have just opened but rather the last one I read. I have found
that one must be *extremely* careful as what JAWS is reading may *NOT* be a
duplicate. (LOLLLOLLOL) This combined with Yahoogroups habit of sending
duplicates causes some confusion. (LOLLLOLLOL) Cy


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dale Heltzer
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:43 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Your first point, JFW reading some part of a previous screen, I've thought
of as the "flush" problem - it's very annoying. I've noticed it only
sometime in the last few versions.
It seems there's a buffer that isn't being reset as JFW switches between
environments.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann byrne
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 7:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Maybe I'm just getting cranky---a definite possibility--but I find
myself saying more and more often to my students, "JAWS is lying to you."

1. When opening a new document or application, JAWS often rereads the
previous screen before reading the screen it just opened. To a newby,
this
is way confusing.

2. When reading dates, JAWS speaks a 'th' or 'st' or 'rd' after the
date,
even
though it isn't there. It is important to me to know what I wrote,
not
what
JAWS thinks I want to hear.

3. When working with an outline in Word 2010, JAWS often but not
consistently reports the line I just pressed enter on, and not the new
line
with the outline number. So when I'm planning a party--my favorite
outline--it says "2. send invitations' and not '3', which is where the
cursor is.

I don't think I'm imagining this. Is anyone else having these kinds
of issues???

thanks.

Ann



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Re: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Dorothy <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
 

Yes if they listen of course, a teacher should not have to point out to her
students that the product tends to lie! regards dorothy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: 01 October 2011 16:11
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Ann,

Using JAWS 12.0.525 regularly and occasionally testing JAWS 13.0.171. XP Pro

32-bit.

To varying degrees I've also heard the reporting of the wrong line in
documents. I've not noticed the announcement of a previous application when
launching a new one, however.

but I can agree that depending on the context, a number might get the th or
rd added when reading line-by-line or in say all. It tends to happen when
the preceding word is interpreted as a month or its abbreviation. Never
could figure out how to turn that off.

And of course also being a long-time JAWS user I've learned to ignore these
quirks. But I can understand how a new student would be confused is the
speech were not as accurate as it should be.
Good points to bring up to Freedom Scientific.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann byrne" <annakb@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:31
Subject: JAWS saying the thing that is not


Maybe I'm just getting cranky---a definite possibility--but I find
myself saying more and more often to my students, "JAWS is lying to you."

1. When opening a new document or application, JAWS often rereads
the previous screen before reading the screen it just opened. To a
newby, this is way confusing.

2. When reading dates, JAWS speaks a 'th' or 'st' or 'rd' after the
date, even though it isn't there. It is important to me to know what
I wrote, not what JAWS thinks I want to hear.

3. When working with an outline in Word 2010, JAWS often but not
consistently reports the line I just pressed enter on, and not the
new line with the outline number. So when I'm planning a party--my
favorite outline--it says "2. send invitations' and not '3', which is
where the cursor is.

I don't think I'm imagining this. Is anyone else having these kinds
of issues???

thanks.

Ann



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Re: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Cy Selfridge
 

Hi,
I am using JAWS 11, latest version on both my W7 laptop and my Dell XP
machine.
I have noticed that, when going through my email, JAWS will occasionally not
read the one I have just opened but rather the last one I read. I have found
that one must be *extremely* careful as what JAWS is reading may *NOT* be a
duplicate. (LOLLLOLLOL)
This combined with Yahoogroups habit of sending duplicates causes some
confusion. (LOLLLOLLOL)
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dale Heltzer
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:43 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Your first point, JFW reading some part of a previous screen, I've thought
of as the "flush" problem - it's very annoying. I've noticed it only
sometime in the last few versions.
It seems there's a buffer that isn't being reset as JFW switches between
environments.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann byrne
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 7:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Maybe I'm just getting cranky---a definite possibility--but I find myself
saying more and more often to my students, "JAWS is lying to you."

1. When opening a new document or application, JAWS often rereads the
previous screen before reading the screen it just opened. To a newby,
this
is way confusing.

2. When reading dates, JAWS speaks a 'th' or 'st' or 'rd' after the date,
even
though it isn't there. It is important to me to know what I wrote, not
what
JAWS thinks I want to hear.

3. When working with an outline in Word 2010, JAWS often but not
consistently reports the line I just pressed enter on, and not the new
line
with the outline number. So when I'm planning a party--my favorite
outline--it says "2. send invitations' and not '3', which is where the
cursor is.

I don't think I'm imagining this. Is anyone else having these kinds of
issues???

thanks.

Ann



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Re: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Dale Heltzer
 

Your first point, JFW reading some part of a previous screen, I've thought
of as the "flush" problem - it's very annoying. I've noticed it only
sometime in the last few versions.
It seems there's a buffer that isn't being reset as JFW switches between
environments.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann byrne
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 7:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Maybe I'm just getting cranky---a definite possibility--but I find myself
saying more and more often to my students, "JAWS is lying to you."

1. When opening a new document or application, JAWS often rereads the
previous screen before reading the screen it just opened. To a newby,
this
is way confusing.

2. When reading dates, JAWS speaks a 'th' or 'st' or 'rd' after the date,
even
though it isn't there. It is important to me to know what I wrote, not
what
JAWS thinks I want to hear.

3. When working with an outline in Word 2010, JAWS often but not
consistently reports the line I just pressed enter on, and not the new
line
with the outline number. So when I'm planning a party--my favorite
outline--it says "2. send invitations' and not '3', which is where the
cursor is.

I don't think I'm imagining this. Is anyone else having these kinds of
issues???

thanks.

Ann



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Re: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Tony
 

Just another in a long list of things that get worse with each new
release of Jaws. I've had this problem for several versions and it is worse
with some programs than others. It is much worse in version 12, don't know
about 13.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dorothy
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:40 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Yes once or twice a rnib volunteer came to visit me, he is now retired and
in spain., he was good on the practical side, he once said to me"i have
been here for 2 hours and Jaws has lied about everything it was true
Dorothy.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Ann byrne
Sent: 01 October 2011 14:57
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS saying the thing that is not

I think my first JFW was 1.21, after some years with JAWS and DOS. I really
do believe, though, that JFW is reading with much less accuracy/clarity than
it used to.
At 08:28 AM 10/1/2011, you wrote:
Hi Ann, With the JAWS 13 Beta and XP Home, in Word 7 documents it
often reads text on single lines twice with a pattern I have not yet
identified.
Additionally, it often jumps to the bottom of messages in Outlook
Express when a message is opened.
Lastly, Research It still reports current temperatures in Celsius
although I did send in a Bug Report prior to the recent announced repairs.
F S may also be indicated in the rain suspension of the Yankees game
last night but I'm reserving judgment on this for the moment. Bumping
along with JAWS since 2.0, Mitch
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann byrne" <annakb@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:31 AM
Subject: JAWS saying the thing that is not


Maybe I'm just getting cranky---a definite possibility--but I find
myself saying more and more often to my students, "JAWS is lying to you."

1. When opening a new document or application, JAWS often rereads the
previous screen before reading the screen it just opened. To a newby,
this is way confusing.

2. When reading dates, JAWS speaks a 'th' or 'st' or 'rd' after the
date, even though it isn't there. It is important to me to know what
I wrote, not what JAWS thinks I want to hear.

3. When working with an outline in Word 2010, JAWS often but not
consistently reports the line I just pressed enter on, and not the new
line with the outline number. So when I'm planning a party--my
favorite outline--it says "2. send invitations' and not '3', which is
where the cursor is.

I don't think I'm imagining this. Is anyone else having these kinds
of issues???

thanks.

Ann


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Re: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Dave Scrimenti <dscrimenti@...>
 

Using XP and JFW 11, I find that Jaws sometimes reads from a different app than the one I'm on, or reports blank when there's actually something there. This mostly happens when I go to the Jaws cursor, and only on my laptop. Shutting down and restarting Jaws fixes the problem, but it happens frequently.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann byrne" <annakb@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 8:31 AM
Subject: JAWS saying the thing that is not


Maybe I'm just getting cranky---a definite possibility--but I find myself saying more and more often to my students, "JAWS is lying to you."

1. When opening a new document or application, JAWS often rereads the previous screen before reading the screen it just opened. To a newby, this is way confusing.

2. When reading dates, JAWS speaks a 'th' or 'st' or 'rd' after the date, even though it isn't there. It is important to me to know what I wrote, not what JAWS thinks I want to hear.

3. When working with an outline in Word 2010, JAWS often but not consistently reports the line I just pressed enter on, and not the new line with the outline number. So when I'm planning a party--my favorite outline--it says "2. send invitations' and not '3', which is where the cursor is.

I don't think I'm imagining this. Is anyone else having these kinds of issues???

thanks.

Ann


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Re: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Dorothy <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
 

Yes once or twice a rnib volunteer came to visit me, he is now retired and
in spain., he was good on the practical side, he once said to me"i have
been here for 2 hours and Jaws has lied about everything it was true
Dorothy.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Ann byrne
Sent: 01 October 2011 14:57
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS saying the thing that is not

I think my first JFW was 1.21, after some years with JAWS and DOS. I
really do believe, though, that JFW is reading with much less
accuracy/clarity than it used to.
At 08:28 AM 10/1/2011, you wrote:
Hi Ann, With the JAWS 13 Beta and XP Home, in Word 7 documents it
often reads text on single lines twice with a pattern I have not yet
identified.
Additionally, it often jumps to the bottom of messages in Outlook
Express when a message is opened.
Lastly, Research It still reports current temperatures in Celsius
although I did send in a Bug Report prior to the recent announced repairs.
F S may also be indicated in the rain suspension of the Yankees game
last night but I'm reserving judgment on this for the
moment. Bumping along with JAWS since 2.0, Mitch
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann byrne" <annakb@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:31 AM
Subject: JAWS saying the thing that is not


Maybe I'm just getting cranky---a definite possibility--but I find
myself saying more and more often to my students, "JAWS is lying to you."

1. When opening a new document or application, JAWS often rereads
the previous screen before reading the screen it just opened. To a
newby, this is way confusing.

2. When reading dates, JAWS speaks a 'th' or 'st' or 'rd' after
the date, even though it isn't there. It is important to me to
know what I wrote, not what JAWS thinks I want to hear.

3. When working with an outline in Word 2010, JAWS often but not
consistently reports the line I just pressed enter on, and not the
new line with the outline number. So when I'm planning a party--my
favorite outline--it says "2. send invitations' and not '3', which
is where the cursor is.

I don't think I'm imagining this. Is anyone else having these
kinds of issues???

thanks.

Ann


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Re: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Dave...
 

Ann,

Using JAWS 12.0.525 regularly and occasionally testing JAWS 13.0.171. XP Pro
32-bit.

To varying degrees I've also heard the reporting of the wrong line in
documents. I've not noticed the announcement of a previous application when
launching a new one, however.

but I can agree that depending on the context, a number might get the th or
rd added when reading line-by-line or in say all. It tends to happen when
the preceding word is interpreted as a month or its abbreviation. Never
could figure out how to turn that off.

And of course also being a long-time JAWS user I've learned to ignore these
quirks. But I can understand how a new student would be confused is the
speech were not as accurate as it should be.
Good points to bring up to Freedom Scientific.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann byrne" <annakb@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:31
Subject: JAWS saying the thing that is not


Maybe I'm just getting cranky---a definite possibility--but I find
myself saying more and more often to my students, "JAWS is lying to you."

1. When opening a new document or application, JAWS often rereads
the previous screen before reading the screen it just opened. To a
newby, this is way confusing.

2. When reading dates, JAWS speaks a 'th' or 'st' or 'rd' after the
date, even though it isn't there. It is important to me to know what
I wrote, not what JAWS thinks I want to hear.

3. When working with an outline in Word 2010, JAWS often but not
consistently reports the line I just pressed enter on, and not the
new line with the outline number. So when I'm planning a party--my
favorite outline--it says "2. send invitations' and not '3', which is
where the cursor is.

I don't think I'm imagining this. Is anyone else having these kinds
of issues???

thanks.

Ann



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Re: USB Sound Card

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Thanks!
I'm trying that now. It is Saturday here, but I'll be sure to be at my computer at 3:00.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 3:13 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: USB Sound Card

Have you tried seeing if the same happens with the built in sound. I'm
assuming there is built in sound?

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: john.falter
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 4:02 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: USB Sound Card

I'd ask myself what else happens at the same time every day. For example,
are you running anything automatically in the background--antivirus,
antispyware, software updates, etc?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 4:02 PM
Subject: USB Sound Card


It seems that at approximately 3:00 CDT every day, the USB card into which
I plug in my headset goes silent while I am using JAWS.
I have found that all I have to do is unplug the card, tap the ESCAPE key
to see if JAWS is talking, and plug it in again.
Sometimes it will stop again, but if I repeat the process, all is well
again.
This probably isn't a JAWS issue, but I'm not really sure.
I'm using a ThinkPad 420 -- brand new.
Anyone have any ideas?


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Re: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Ann Byrne
 

I think my first JFW was 1.21, after some years with JAWS and DOS. I really do believe, though, that JFW is reading with much less accuracy/clarity than it used to.

At 08:28 AM 10/1/2011, you wrote:
Hi Ann, With the JAWS 13 Beta and XP Home, in Word 7 documents it often reads text on single lines twice with a pattern I have not yet identified.
Additionally, it often jumps to the bottom of messages in Outlook Express when a message is opened.
Lastly, Research It still reports current temperatures in Celsius although I did send in a Bug Report prior to the recent announced repairs.
F S may also be indicated in the rain suspension of the Yankees game last night but I'm reserving judgment on this for the moment. Bumping along with JAWS since 2.0, Mitch
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann byrne" <annakb@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:31 AM
Subject: JAWS saying the thing that is not


Maybe I'm just getting cranky---a definite possibility--but I find myself saying more and more often to my students, "JAWS is lying to you."

1. When opening a new document or application, JAWS often rereads the previous screen before reading the screen it just opened. To a newby, this is way confusing.

2. When reading dates, JAWS speaks a 'th' or 'st' or 'rd' after the date, even though it isn't there. It is important to me to know what I wrote, not what JAWS thinks I want to hear.

3. When working with an outline in Word 2010, JAWS often but not consistently reports the line I just pressed enter on, and not the new line with the outline number. So when I'm planning a party--my favorite outline--it says "2. send invitations' and not '3', which is where the cursor is.

I don't think I'm imagining this. Is anyone else having these kinds of issues???

thanks.

Ann


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Re: JAWS saying the thing that is not

Dave Mitchell
 

Hi Ann, With the JAWS 13 Beta and XP Home, in Word 7 documents it often reads text on single lines twice with a pattern I have not yet identified.
Additionally, it often jumps to the bottom of messages in Outlook Express when a message is opened.
Lastly, Research It still reports current temperatures in Celsius although I did send in a Bug Report prior to the recent announced repairs.
F S may also be indicated in the rain suspension of the Yankees game last night but I'm reserving judgment on this for the moment. Bumping along with JAWS since 2.0, Mitch

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann byrne" <annakb@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:31 AM
Subject: JAWS saying the thing that is not


Maybe I'm just getting cranky---a definite possibility--but I find myself saying more and more often to my students, "JAWS is lying to you."

1. When opening a new document or application, JAWS often rereads the previous screen before reading the screen it just opened. To a newby, this is way confusing.

2. When reading dates, JAWS speaks a 'th' or 'st' or 'rd' after the date, even though it isn't there. It is important to me to know what I wrote, not what JAWS thinks I want to hear.

3. When working with an outline in Word 2010, JAWS often but not consistently reports the line I just pressed enter on, and not the new line with the outline number. So when I'm planning a party--my favorite outline--it says "2. send invitations' and not '3', which is where the cursor is.

I don't think I'm imagining this. Is anyone else having these kinds of issues???

thanks.

Ann


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JAWS saying the thing that is not

Ann Byrne
 

Maybe I'm just getting cranky---a definite possibility--but I find myself saying more and more often to my students, "JAWS is lying to you."

1. When opening a new document or application, JAWS often rereads the previous screen before reading the screen it just opened. To a newby, this is way confusing.

2. When reading dates, JAWS speaks a 'th' or 'st' or 'rd' after the date, even though it isn't there. It is important to me to know what I wrote, not what JAWS thinks I want to hear.

3. When working with an outline in Word 2010, JAWS often but not consistently reports the line I just pressed enter on, and not the new line with the outline number. So when I'm planning a party--my favorite outline--it says "2. send invitations' and not '3', which is where the cursor is.

I don't think I'm imagining this. Is anyone else having these kinds of issues???

thanks.

Ann


Re: USB Sound Card

Peter Holdstock <ptrholdstock@...>
 

Have you tried seeing if the same happens with the built in sound. I'm assuming there is built in sound?

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: john.falter
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 4:02 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: USB Sound Card

I'd ask myself what else happens at the same time every day. For example,
are you running anything automatically in the background--antivirus,
antispyware, software updates, etc?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 4:02 PM
Subject: USB Sound Card


It seems that at approximately 3:00 CDT every day, the USB card into which I plug in my headset goes silent while I am using JAWS.
I have found that all I have to do is unplug the card, tap the ESCAPE key to see if JAWS is talking, and plug it in again.
Sometimes it will stop again, but if I repeat the process, all is well again.
This probably isn't a JAWS issue, but I'm not really sure.
I'm using a ThinkPad 420 -- brand new.
Anyone have any ideas?


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
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ed.marquette@...




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Re: USB Sound Card

john.falter
 

I'd ask myself what else happens at the same time every day. For example, are you running anything automatically in the background--antivirus, antispyware, software updates, etc?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 4:02 PM
Subject: USB Sound Card


It seems that at approximately 3:00 CDT every day, the USB card into which I plug in my headset goes silent while I am using JAWS.
I have found that all I have to do is unplug the card, tap the ESCAPE key to see if JAWS is talking, and plug it in again.
Sometimes it will stop again, but if I repeat the process, all is well again.
This probably isn't a JAWS issue, but I'm not really sure.
I'm using a ThinkPad 420 -- brand new.
Anyone have any ideas?


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
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Suite 500
Kansas City, MO 64106
ed.marquette@...




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Re: Jaws public beta 13!

Curtis Delzer
 

thanks, was looking from within "jaws headquarters," the long way around Robinhood's barn. :)

Curtis Delzer
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