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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Eric Ngondi
 

hi list,
been folowing the debate all the way here in kenya. trueth be told
the product ids damn expensive . if it can be cheaper the better.
but pirating is not my thing.
karenn or any other member , i dont mind if i could have copy of
retired jaws versions. a friend of mine got a copy of jaws 11 from
FS for free a while back , thus not as evil as people think. hope to
get mine soon,God willing.. . 40 nim up, have to go.

On 2/7/12, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
You sure as the dickens couldn't tell the difference on price, or
contracts. GWMicro is no poor relation!

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:41 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Gerald, this is unfounded speculation. The evidence suggests it is also
wrong. FS and GWM have been in litigation in the past. Also, they claim
to aim for different primary markets. JAWS is targeted at government
agencies and other large organizations, while WindowEyes appears to be
marketed more to individuals. Obviously, there is much crossover, but
the primary customer bases are different. There's no need for collusion,
even if both companies were willing.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Well, FS does have competition from GW Micro's Window Eyes. Yet, the
price of both JAWS and Window Eyes remains high. Why? I suspect that
both companies have conspired to fix prices at arbitrarily high levels.
But because they are relatively small, they have managed to avoid the
scrutiny of the FTC.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


It may cost them less than that. I think the product is overpriced,
and I highly object to charging for skipped upgrades or SMA's where no
support was ever offered for those versions. If that business model
works, they should be increasing the product cost of each new version
to make new customers pay for versions they never owned, right?

The problem with the system is there is no real competition on par
with JAWS and there probably won't be for a long time. Even a great
new p roduct would take forever to gain enough market share that it is
a viable replacement in the workplace.

If the Coke company wants to start charging $20 for a can of Coke,
they can do that, but as long as there is Pepsi and the odd RC Cola
(or
whatever) Coke would loose a lot of money in the process of jacking up
their prices. That applies to most everything we buy. Cell phones got
much cheaper in recent years because (in part) there has been
competition in the marketplace. When you have no competition, you can
pretty well set pricing at will. Make no mistake about it, Freedom
Scientific is not a non-proffit organization.

Freedom could absolutely use some competition, at least from the
consumers' standpoint. It drives pricing down and product quality up.
That however doesn't mean that if Cokes (my personal favorite) go up
to $20 apiece I can justify stealing them because I think they are
overpriced.
That's where it all breaks down for me.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:50 AM, cecropia64 wrote:

unfortunately, nobody said that greed doesn't have a whole lot to do
with all this, because it certainly does. also, do you really think
jaws costs a thousand bucks? i'll bet it costs freedome about a
hundred and fifty to twwo hundred to actually produce, if that. oh
well, looks like there isn't one answer that fits all.

On 2/4/2012 11:33 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote:
Just one thing else for interest sake now that you mention steeling
from software companies pockets. I know this is getting off topic
but end of last year sometime I read a study, they actually said if
Microsoft considerably drop their software prices for windows and
office, they'll actually make more of a profit than they currently
do.
Because at the moment windows and office is the most pirated
software worldwide and if it's cheeper more people will buy it. If
you think about it most people pirate software because they can't
afford it so imagine how many more will buy windows if it was like
$40 or $50, just look at Apple's Lion OS, the upgrade cost people
$30 for 10 machines assentially $3 per computer.

On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos<bigboy529@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other
assistive devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford
jaws then use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up
there with jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software
which I can access better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else
somebody mentioned, does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in
the US? If I understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay
about the equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like
jaws we pay about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get
government bersaries for assistive devices but can claim assistive
devices back from the government through income tax but you must
still have the cash to fork out and then wait a year or more before
you
can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo<jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I
put on the table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I
wrote in my last e-mail leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a
part of your reality. I promise you do not respond any future
e-mail regarding that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits, tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things
equal. I'm surprised anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind
of thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price
of $1000 for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without
buying a cracked or illegal copy would be to have it purchased for
us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo"<jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To:
The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64
Bit Win 7 yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this
stuff is so out of reach for many. because of slimy people like
this guy who wants short cuts instead of doing things the correct
way. thanks pal to all of you who try similar things it's
really apppreciated by those of us who try to do things the
honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the- jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: please clarify for me?

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

You are on the right list Sugar.
I can't explain the recent traffick but just hit the delete key like I do.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Sugar
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:27 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: please clarify for me?

sir, I was not joking..
seriously wish to find out, so don't thhink tis particular post was
encourageable "Let Your Light So Shine before men, so that they may see your
good works and glorify our heavenly father in heaven.
`Matthew 5:16"
~Be Blessed, Sugar
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: please clarify for me?



You have joined the JFW list which stands for Just For Whining. In
the good old days, it stood for JAWS for Windows, but that is
apparently no longer the case, as under the current administration,
anything goes. Home town shout outs? No problem. Guide dog issues?
You've come to the right place. Economics? Of course. So go ahead and
give it your best shot.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sugar" <sugarsyl71@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:00 PM
Subject: please clarify for me?


Hello
I don't want for my head to be chopped off at the stone, but if
someone would be so kind to write me off list, and explain or send
me, the guidelines, and what exactly this list is suppose to be about?
I am so confused now, not sure what group I have joined.
I am not being cruel or ignorant, I am just asking a simple question,
and would appreciate so much a answer.
thank you for your cooperation
better, if the list owner could write me to clarify my question, that
would be awsome.
thanks for the time.
sugar
sugarsyl71@sbcglobal.net
"Let Your Light So Shine before men,
so that they may see your good works and glorify our heavenly father
in heaven.
`Matthew 5:16"
~Be Blessed, Sugar
----- Original Message -----
From: <rixmix2009@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


I say, some of you probably take up as much extra email and head
space talking about the violation doers it as the folks posting off topic
do.
So what I do is delete them. And I have done a lot of bulk deletes
the past week or so.
But I would think it is unlikely there would be too much difference
with a new moderator. Or a new list. Nothing ever suits everyone.
And when anyone becomes a policeman, pretty soon they get good and
tired of that, too.

For me it seems, there is a natural tendency to post and see if
someone has some quick know how on something.
It may be a problem, or whatever. They try to go where they hope
someone knows something to give a quick fix.
Of course we all could be better, find out resolution or whatever
issues in some manual or something.
But when you join a list, you just expect this sort of thing.

That is my two cents anyhow.

I wish you all well.
We got bigger problems. Much bigger problems.
Where can I talk about those? Oh yeah, that other list! Or whatever.
Smile.
Thanks.
Rik



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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

You sure as the dickens couldn't tell the difference on price, or
contracts. GWMicro is no poor relation!

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:41 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Gerald, this is unfounded speculation. The evidence suggests it is also
wrong. FS and GWM have been in litigation in the past. Also, they claim
to aim for different primary markets. JAWS is targeted at government
agencies and other large organizations, while WindowEyes appears to be
marketed more to individuals. Obviously, there is much crossover, but
the primary customer bases are different. There's no need for collusion,
even if both companies were willing.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Well, FS does have competition from GW Micro's Window Eyes. Yet, the
price of both JAWS and Window Eyes remains high. Why? I suspect that
both companies have conspired to fix prices at arbitrarily high levels.
But because they are relatively small, they have managed to avoid the
scrutiny of the FTC.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


It may cost them less than that. I think the product is overpriced,
and I highly object to charging for skipped upgrades or SMA's where no
support was ever offered for those versions. If that business model
works, they should be increasing the product cost of each new version
to make new customers pay for versions they never owned, right?

The problem with the system is there is no real competition on par
with JAWS and there probably won't be for a long time. Even a great
new p roduct would take forever to gain enough market share that it is
a viable replacement in the workplace.

If the Coke company wants to start charging $20 for a can of Coke,
they can do that, but as long as there is Pepsi and the odd RC Cola
(or
whatever) Coke would loose a lot of money in the process of jacking up
their prices. That applies to most everything we buy. Cell phones got
much cheaper in recent years because (in part) there has been
competition in the marketplace. When you have no competition, you can
pretty well set pricing at will. Make no mistake about it, Freedom
Scientific is not a non-proffit organization.

Freedom could absolutely use some competition, at least from the
consumers' standpoint. It drives pricing down and product quality up.
That however doesn't mean that if Cokes (my personal favorite) go up
to $20 apiece I can justify stealing them because I think they are
overpriced.
That's where it all breaks down for me.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:50 AM, cecropia64 wrote:

unfortunately, nobody said that greed doesn't have a whole lot to do
with all this, because it certainly does. also, do you really think
jaws costs a thousand bucks? i'll bet it costs freedome about a
hundred and fifty to twwo hundred to actually produce, if that. oh
well, looks like there isn't one answer that fits all.

On 2/4/2012 11:33 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote:
Just one thing else for interest sake now that you mention steeling
from software companies pockets. I know this is getting off topic
but end of last year sometime I read a study, they actually said if
Microsoft considerably drop their software prices for windows and
office, they'll actually make more of a profit than they currently
do.
Because at the moment windows and office is the most pirated
software worldwide and if it's cheeper more people will buy it. If
you think about it most people pirate software because they can't
afford it so imagine how many more will buy windows if it was like
$40 or $50, just look at Apple's Lion OS, the upgrade cost people
$30 for 10 machines assentially $3 per computer.

On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos<bigboy529@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other
assistive devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford
jaws then use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up
there with jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software
which I can access better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else
somebody mentioned, does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in
the US? If I understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay
about the equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like
jaws we pay about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get
government bersaries for assistive devices but can claim assistive
devices back from the government through income tax but you must
still have the cash to fork out and then wait a year or more before
you
can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo<jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I
put on the table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I
wrote in my last e-mail leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a
part of your reality. I promise you do not respond any future
e-mail regarding that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits, tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things
equal. I'm surprised anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind
of thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price
of $1000 for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without
buying a cracked or illegal copy would be to have it purchased for
us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo"<jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To:
The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64
Bit Win 7 yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this
stuff is so out of reach for many. because of slimy people like
this guy who wants short cuts instead of doing things the correct
way. thanks pal to all of you who try similar things it's
really apppreciated by those of us who try to do things the
honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the- jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: please clarify for me?

Sugar <sugarsyl71@...>
 

sir, I was not joking..
seriously wish to find out, so don't thhink tis particular post was encourageable
"Let Your Light So Shine before men,
so that they may see your good works and glorify our heavenly father in heaven.
`Matthew 5:16"
~Be Blessed, Sugar

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: please clarify for me?



You have joined the JFW list which stands for Just For Whining. In the good old days, it stood for JAWS for Windows, but that is apparently no longer the case, as under the current administration, anything goes. Home town shout outs? No problem. Guide dog issues? You've come to the right place. Economics? Of course. So go ahead and give it your best shot.

Gerald


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From: "Sugar" <sugarsyl71@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:00 PM
Subject: please clarify for me?


Hello
I don't want for my head to be chopped off at the stone, but if someone would be so kind to write me off list, and explain or send me, the guidelines, and what exactly this list is suppose to be about?
I am so confused now, not sure what group I have joined.
I am not being cruel or ignorant, I am just asking a simple question, and would appreciate so much a answer.
thank you for your cooperation
better, if the list owner could write me to clarify my question, that would be awsome.
thanks for the time.
sugar
sugarsyl71@sbcglobal.net
"Let Your Light So Shine before men,
so that they may see your good works and glorify our heavenly father in heaven.
`Matthew 5:16"
~Be Blessed, Sugar
----- Original Message -----
From: <rixmix2009@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


I say, some of you probably take up as much extra email and head space talking about the violation doers it as the folks posting off topic do.
So what I do is delete them. And I have done a lot of bulk deletes the past week or so.
But I would think it is unlikely there would be too much difference with a new moderator. Or a new list. Nothing ever suits everyone.
And when anyone becomes a policeman, pretty soon they get good and tired of that, too.

For me it seems, there is a natural tendency to post and see if someone has some quick know how on something.
It may be a problem, or whatever. They try to go where they hope someone knows something to give a quick fix.
Of course we all could be better, find out resolution or whatever issues in some manual or something.
But when you join a list, you just expect this sort of thing.

That is my two cents anyhow.

I wish you all well.
We got bigger problems. Much bigger problems.
Where can I talk about those? Oh yeah, that other list! Or whatever.
Smile.
Thanks.
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Re: please clarify for me?

Gerald Levy
 

You have joined the JFW list which stands for Just For Whining. In the good old days, it stood for JAWS for Windows, but that is apparently no longer the case, as under the current administration, anything goes. Home town shout outs? No problem. Guide dog issues? You've come to the right place. Economics? Of course. So go ahead and give it your best shot.

Gerald

----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:00 PM
Subject: please clarify for me?


Hello
I don't want for my head to be chopped off at the stone, but if someone would be so kind to write me off list, and explain or send me, the guidelines, and what exactly this list is suppose to be about?
I am so confused now, not sure what group I have joined.
I am not being cruel or ignorant, I am just asking a simple question, and would appreciate so much a answer.
thank you for your cooperation
better, if the list owner could write me to clarify my question, that would be awsome.
thanks for the time.
sugar
sugarsyl71@sbcglobal.net
"Let Your Light So Shine before men,
so that they may see your good works and glorify our heavenly father in heaven.
`Matthew 5:16"
~Be Blessed, Sugar
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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


I say, some of you probably take up as much extra email and head space talking about the violation doers it as the folks posting off topic do.
So what I do is delete them. And I have done a lot of bulk deletes the past week or so.
But I would think it is unlikely there would be too much difference with a new moderator. Or a new list. Nothing ever suits everyone.
And when anyone becomes a policeman, pretty soon they get good and tired of that, too.

For me it seems, there is a natural tendency to post and see if someone has some quick know how on something.
It may be a problem, or whatever. They try to go where they hope someone knows something to give a quick fix.
Of course we all could be better, find out resolution or whatever issues in some manual or something.
But when you join a list, you just expect this sort of thing.

That is my two cents anyhow.

I wish you all well.
We got bigger problems. Much bigger problems.
Where can I talk about those? Oh yeah, that other list! Or whatever.
Smile.
Thanks.
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Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

Gerald Levy
 

For those of you who are interested in joining a list that is truly dedicated to the discussion of JAWS related issues, you can subscribe to the JAWS Users mailing list at:

http://jaws-users.com/mailman/listinfo/jaws-users-list_jaws-users.com

Gerald

----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


How does one subscribe to the jaws users list? I'm getting very tired of this one.

Colleen If you are lucky enough to be Irish, you are lucky enough!

On 2/6/2012 11:05 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

What's the point of creating another list? They can't even moderate this one. Since this is apparently no longer a JAWS list anyway, maybe they should just make this list a general forum for any blind-related issues. And for those who prefer a JAWS only list, I suggest migrating to the JAWS Users list, where off-topic shananigans are not tolerated.

Gerald


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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


Not to rain on anyone's parade, but instead of creating an entirely new
list, why not join the already established BlindTech mailing list and save
the hassel of running and monitering a new list?


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

James,

Are you perhaps AWOL on the jfw list? Seems as though you and Jessica are no

longer minding the store.


Dave Carlson
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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 09:52
Subject: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


Folks,

In an attempt to cut down on some of the excess trafick that crosses this
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Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

Colleen <herself@...>
 

How does one subscribe to the jaws users list? I'm getting very tired of this one.

Colleen If you are lucky enough to be Irish, you are lucky enough!

On 2/6/2012 11:05 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

What's the point of creating another list? They can't even moderate this one. Since this is apparently no longer a JAWS list anyway, maybe they should just make this list a general forum for any blind-related issues. And for those who prefer a JAWS only list, I suggest migrating to the JAWS Users list, where off-topic shananigans are not tolerated.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "CrisMunoz54" <crismunoz54@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


Not to rain on anyone's parade, but instead of creating an entirely new
list, why not join the already established BlindTech mailing list and save
the hassel of running and monitering a new list?


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

James,

Are you perhaps AWOL on the jfw list? Seems as though you and Jessica are no

longer minding the store.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 09:52
Subject: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


Folks,

In an attempt to cut down on some of the excess trafick that crosses this
list, I've set up a generalized technical support mailing list for use with
issues not particular to JFW or its interactions with other programs. To
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Re: Hinter/Henter/Joyce

Dave...
 

Did I say "empathic"? Should have been "emphatic". A big difference.

Dave Carlson
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E6520 and Windows 7

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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:54
Subject: Re: Hinter/Henter/Joyce


Thought so. It was just that two people were empathic that it was spelled
with an "i" that I thought I'd check.


Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "deadcatbounce" <JAWS@ca.rr.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:35
Subject: Re: Hinter/Henter/Joyce


It was henter Joyce, back in the way when I actually liked their customer
service...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar and His Beamer" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:34 AM
Subject: Hinter/Henter/Joyce


Wasn't it Henter with an 'E"? Or was I hearing it wrong all those years?

Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 08:42
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


I can't speak to the accuracy of the rest of your message, but the creator
of JAWS is Ted Hinter, not Tom Hinter.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:29 PM
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


I know the fellow responsible for JAWS making the move from DOS to
windows.
IN Those days you could call JAWS and speak to Tom Hinter. This fellow
did
this, he called Microsoft many times until he found a fellow wanting to
hook
up with someone to make Windows Accessible. He got the two men together
b;y
phone, and the process started that make JAWS for Windows. This fellow
called Tom Hinter and asked for a free version of JAWS for Windows, and
Tom
told him to buy a copy. That is how Tom Hinter thanked this fellow.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Although it may be a little further down the course selection than 101,
it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can discriminate
in
price will make more money than one which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise couldn't
pay
the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more money on those who can
pay and makes incremental revenue on those who otherwise wouldn't buy. I
could demonstrate this geometrically, but that's a little beyond the
purpose
of this list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be smart
to
discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions that
tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no possibility for
arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price jurisdiction to
sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on this
very
list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly,
that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world countries
than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect
of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the above
actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn from
its
paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while you are in the process.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't
afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well because
they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't
have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community. I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for the
blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people
poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i certainly do
get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price charged for
a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to
duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what it
costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for development,
etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in Windows or
Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple
economics.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway"<rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our
young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the
same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying for
them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be much
more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you support
(and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really foolish
to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program
easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free
upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product and
brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the
product
is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who
develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts. At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough people
are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting
them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I don't
get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re:
Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

John ESherrer
 

You could bd right about the name, but I was close. But as for the rest of
the story I can connect you with the fellow I was talking about.
Jojhn

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

I can't speak to the accuracy of the rest of your message, but the creator
of JAWS is Ted Hinter, not Tom Hinter.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:29 PM
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


I know the fellow responsible for JAWS making the move from DOS to windows.
IN Those days you could call JAWS and speak to Tom Hinter. This fellow
did
this, he called Microsoft many times until he found a fellow wanting to
hook
up with someone to make Windows Accessible. He got the two men together
b;y
phone, and the process started that make JAWS for Windows. This fellow
called Tom Hinter and asked for a free version of JAWS for Windows, and
Tom
told him to buy a copy. That is how Tom Hinter thanked this fellow.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Although it may be a little further down the course selection than 101, it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can discriminate
in
price will make more money than one which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise couldn't pay
the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more money on those who can
pay and makes incremental revenue on those who otherwise wouldn't buy. I
could demonstrate this geometrically, but that's a little beyond the
purpose
of this list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be smart
to
discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions that
tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no possibility for
arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price jurisdiction to
sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on this
very
list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly,
that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world countries
than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect
of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the above
actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn from
its
paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while you are in the process.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't
afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well because
they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't
have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community. I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for the
blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i certainly do
get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price charged for a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what it
costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for development,
etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in Windows or
Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple
economics.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway"<rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our
young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying for
them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be much
more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you support
(and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really foolish
to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program
easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free
upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product and
brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the
product
is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who
develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts. At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough people
are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting
them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I don't
get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Attaching files in yahoo mail

Victor Bishara
 

Hello:

Can any one please give me the steps to attach a file in yahoo mail?

Thank you
Victor Bishara
Victor Bishara Real Estate
7052 Grove Avenue
Highland, CA 92346-3371
909-864-3688 phone
909-225-6984 cell

victorbishara@sbcglobal.net
www.victorbishara.com
DRE# 01057218


please clarify for me?

Sugar <sugarsyl71@...>
 

Hello
I don't want for my head to be chopped off at the stone, but if someone would be so kind to write me off list, and explain or send me, the guidelines, and what exactly this list is suppose to be about?
I am so confused now, not sure what group I have joined.
I am not being cruel or ignorant, I am just asking a simple question, and would appreciate so much a answer.
thank you for your cooperation
better, if the list owner could write me to clarify my question, that would be awsome.
thanks for the time.
sugar
sugarsyl71@sbcglobal.net
"Let Your Light So Shine before men,
so that they may see your good works and glorify our heavenly father in heaven.
`Matthew 5:16"
~Be Blessed, Sugar

----- Original Message -----
From: <rixmix2009@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


I say, some of you probably take up as much extra email and head space talking about the violation doers it as the folks posting off topic do.
So what I do is delete them. And I have done a lot of bulk deletes the past week or so.
But I would think it is unlikely there would be too much difference with a new moderator. Or a new list. Nothing ever suits everyone.
And when anyone becomes a policeman, pretty soon they get good and tired of that, too.

For me it seems, there is a natural tendency to post and see if someone has some quick know how on something.
It may be a problem, or whatever. They try to go where they hope someone knows something to give a quick fix.
Of course we all could be better, find out resolution or whatever issues in some manual or something.
But when you join a list, you just expect this sort of thing.

That is my two cents anyhow.

I wish you all well.
We got bigger problems. Much bigger problems.
Where can I talk about those? Oh yeah, that other list! Or whatever.
Smile.
Thanks.
Rik



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Re: Hinter/Henter/Joyce

Dave...
 

Thought so. It was just that two people were empathic that it was spelled
with an "i" that I thought I'd check.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "deadcatbounce" <JAWS@ca.rr.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:35
Subject: Re: Hinter/Henter/Joyce


It was henter Joyce, back in the way when I actually liked their customer
service...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar and His Beamer" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:34 AM
Subject: Hinter/Henter/Joyce


Wasn't it Henter with an 'E"? Or was I hearing it wrong all those years?

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 08:42
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


I can't speak to the accuracy of the rest of your message, but the creator
of JAWS is Ted Hinter, not Tom Hinter.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:29 PM
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


I know the fellow responsible for JAWS making the move from DOS to
windows.
IN Those days you could call JAWS and speak to Tom Hinter. This fellow
did
this, he called Microsoft many times until he found a fellow wanting to
hook
up with someone to make Windows Accessible. He got the two men together
b;y
phone, and the process started that make JAWS for Windows. This fellow
called Tom Hinter and asked for a free version of JAWS for Windows, and
Tom
told him to buy a copy. That is how Tom Hinter thanked this fellow.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Although it may be a little further down the course selection than 101,
it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can discriminate
in
price will make more money than one which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise couldn't
pay
the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more money on those who can
pay and makes incremental revenue on those who otherwise wouldn't buy. I
could demonstrate this geometrically, but that's a little beyond the
purpose
of this list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be smart
to
discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions that
tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no possibility for
arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price jurisdiction to
sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on this
very
list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly,
that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world countries
than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect
of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the above
actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn from
its
paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while you are in the process.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't
afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well because
they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't
have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community. I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for the
blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people
poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i certainly do
get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price charged for
a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to
duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what it
costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for development,
etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in Windows or
Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple
economics.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway"<rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our
young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the
same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying for
them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be much
more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you support
(and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really foolish
to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program
easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free
upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product and
brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the
product
is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who
develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts. At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough people
are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting
them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I don't
get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re:
Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

Dave...
 

Charles,

Well, you sure don't want me to be the moderator.

Dave Carlson
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E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Coe" <charlesmar@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:11
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


Perhaps a new moderator is needed. Any takers?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

James,

Are you perhaps AWOL on the jfw list? Seems as though you and Jessica are no
longer minding the store.


Dave Carlson
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 09:52
Subject: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


Folks,

In an attempt to cut down on some of the excess trafick that crosses this
list, I've set up a generalized technical support mailing list for use with
issues not particular to JFW or its interactions with other programs. To
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Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

rixmix2009@...
 

I say, some of you probably take up as much extra email and head space talking about the violation doers it as the folks posting off topic do.
So what I do is delete them. And I have done a lot of bulk deletes the past week or so.
But I would think it is unlikely there would be too much difference with a new moderator. Or a new list. Nothing ever suits everyone.
And when anyone becomes a policeman, pretty soon they get good and tired of that, too.

For me it seems, there is a natural tendency to post and see if someone has some quick know how on something.
It may be a problem, or whatever. They try to go where they hope someone knows something to give a quick fix.
Of course we all could be better, find out resolution or whatever issues in some manual or something.
But when you join a list, you just expect this sort of thing.

That is my two cents anyhow.

I wish you all well.
We got bigger problems. Much bigger problems.
Where can I talk about those? Oh yeah, that other list! Or whatever.
Smile.
Thanks.
Rik


Re: Hinter/Henter/Joyce

deadcatbounce <JAWS@...>
 

It was henter Joyce, back in the way when I actually liked their customer service...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar and His Beamer" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:34 AM
Subject: Hinter/Henter/Joyce


Wasn't it Henter with an 'E"? Or was I hearing it wrong all those years?

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 08:42
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


I can't speak to the accuracy of the rest of your message, but the creator
of JAWS is Ted Hinter, not Tom Hinter.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:29 PM
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


I know the fellow responsible for JAWS making the move from DOS to windows.
IN Those days you could call JAWS and speak to Tom Hinter. This fellow
did
this, he called Microsoft many times until he found a fellow wanting to
hook
up with someone to make Windows Accessible. He got the two men together
b;y
phone, and the process started that make JAWS for Windows. This fellow
called Tom Hinter and asked for a free version of JAWS for Windows, and
Tom
told him to buy a copy. That is how Tom Hinter thanked this fellow.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Although it may be a little further down the course selection than 101, it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can discriminate
in
price will make more money than one which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise couldn't pay
the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more money on those who can
pay and makes incremental revenue on those who otherwise wouldn't buy. I
could demonstrate this geometrically, but that's a little beyond the
purpose
of this list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be smart
to
discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions that
tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no possibility for
arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price jurisdiction to
sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on this
very
list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly,
that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world countries
than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect
of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the above
actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn from
its
paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while you are in the process.


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't
afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well because
they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't
have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community. I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for the
blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i certainly do
get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price charged for a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what it
costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for development,
etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in Windows or
Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple
economics.

Dave Carlson
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our
young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying for
them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be much
more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you support
(and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really foolish
to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program
easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free
upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product and
brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the
product
is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who
develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts. At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough people
are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting
them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I don't
get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

Charles Coe
 

Perhaps a new moderator is needed. Any takers?

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

James,

Are you perhaps AWOL on the jfw list? Seems as though you and Jessica are no
longer minding the store.


Dave Carlson
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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 09:52
Subject: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


Folks,

In an attempt to cut down on some of the excess trafick that crosses this
list, I've set up a generalized technical support mailing list for use with
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Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

Adrian Spratt
 

Gerald, to be fair, you contributed with your price fixing speculation.
Funny how everyone complains, and I mean everyone, but only after getting in
their shot. Still, this is out of control, no question.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


What's the point of creating another list? They can't even moderate this
one. Since this is apparently no longer a JAWS list anyway, maybe they
should just make this list a general forum for any blind-related issues.
And for those who prefer a JAWS only list, I suggest migrating to the JAWS
Users list, where off-topic shananigans are not tolerated.

Gerald


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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.


Not to rain on anyone's parade, but instead of creating an entirely new
list, why not join the already established BlindTech mailing list and save
the hassel of running and monitering a new list?


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On Behalf Of Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [Bulk] Admin: New general support mailing list.

James,

Are you perhaps AWOL on the jfw list? Seems as though you and Jessica are
no

longer minding the store.


Dave Carlson
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Rhapsody Blind 3.0 released spanish and French

John Martyn
 

Yes, it is finally here and translated into French and Spanish. You can
thank Rémy Ruiz for this wonderful work.
Rhapsody Blind has gotten better with faster speeds and more reliability.
Here's a short list of improvements:
Rhapsody Blind 3.0 Complete Overhaul
Completely reworked Rhapsody Blind to be faster and more efficient in
accessing all your music
Translated Rhapsody Blind into Spanish and French
Fixed many focus issues and improved the music library sorting
Improved speed of scrolling through lists and dragging songs around
Created an audio splash message courtesy of Erica Watson

You can download it here:
www.RhapsodyBlind.com/RhapsodyBlind3.0Setup.exe
Thanks all,
John Martyn


Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

mobility skills? Call CNIB. Or if you're in Toronto, try Balance.

At 01:02 PM 2/6/2012, you wrote:
sandy u mentioned that you worked trying to get two parties to work together as a counselor. could you give myself a totally blind person direction on were to get advise on improving mobility skills. Karen

----- Original Message ----- From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7



HiKaren,

What may I do for you?

Sandy

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:02 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

sandy, could u email me off list. i would like to get information from you as a professional. karen

----- Original Message ----- From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 6:21 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7




--------------------------------------------------You'reright Dave... and that's my final comment on this topic. Hope everyone enjoys today. Go Pats!!!

From: "Farfar and His Beamer" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Sandy,

Yes, I agree that there are far too many pampered, whiny, immature blind
people who make it look bad for those who work for a living.

But we all deal with our handicap in different ways, don't we.

Dave Carlson
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:04
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7



The Seeing gets its financial from private donations. If you want the same
from FS, go out and find private individuals to donate to them. I am sick of
all this whining. This is what makes nonblind persons feel sorry for us. And
also, this kind of attitude is what makes it more difficult for some blind
persons get employment. Get off your butt, stop whining, and do something
constructive for yourself.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

So if a company can get sponsership or whatever to ask $150 for a
guide dog why can't another company get sponserships or government
support to make jaws a lot cheeper and afordable for a lot more people
around the world? I live in South Africa which is assentially a 3rd
world country compared to America and England. I can aford a computer,
software, a braille machine and jaws but so many others in this
country can't. As I'm sitting here I know for a fact that more than
half of people who whent to school with me, won't be able to aford
their own computer not even mentioning jaws, my question is, what
happens to those people, what oppertunities do they have in the main
streem world and all this just because companies rip off blind people
because they know, the blind people need their products to funktion.

On 2/4/12, Karen Hughes <khughes8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog. plus you
get
the training and housing while this takes place. i am in canada and this
is
were i got my information. i have had some mobility training but not
received a dog yet. i am in the line waiting just now, smile. karen

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have
been

from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for all
replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since
their
inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school. When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you
what
to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some of
the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation from
anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you
fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it cost
them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club pay
for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the
final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final
training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put
on

the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part
of

your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding
that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked

or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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