That's because it's not a browser. It's a search engine. The instructions talk about clicking on a magnifying glass in a search bar, but none of that is accessible to us screenreader user types. So instead, do this in Firefox, or the applicable thing in your Web browser of choice:
1. Open Firefox.
2. Open the Tools menu with Alt plus T.
3. In the search field type:
search engine
and press ENTER. You could type just the word "search," but that yields too many choices.
4. If you like, read the resulting page, or just shortcut the whole process by finding the combo box that shows your current default search engine.
5. To change it, tap the space bar or press ENTER, then use the vertical (Up/Down) arrow keys to select Duck Duck Go, and press ENTER to close the combo box, which will save your change.
All done.
On 7/14/2020 11:12 AM, Margaret Thomas wrote:

Mike and All:

It's been a long morning and I'm probably missing something obvious, but using the link in the post, I'm not finding a way of downloading DuckDuckGo as a browser on Windows 10 Pro with JAWS 2020.

Google Chrome is my default browser.  Am I correct that if, I want to make Chrome more private, I should get the DuckDuckGo Chrome extension? And it's at the Chrome store?  And I don't need an extension for DuckDuckGo as a browser?

Any help straightening me out will be greatly appreciated.

Margaret


On 6/24/2020 12:04 PM, Mike B wrote:

Here you go:
https://duckduckgo.com/install

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

I tried that too, but it didn't work.



Rick Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and Zoom

I read somewhere that ctrl+f2 would do it.
At 01:26 PM 7/14/2020, you wrote:

Okay, but does anybody know how to get into the Gallery view?



Rick Miller

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
JOHN RIEHL via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and Zoom

Hi. I can answer a couple of your questions.
First, you get to the participant list by pressing alt-U. You have
to tab around until you get to the list of names; then you can arrow
up and down. This is somewhat buggy. They claim they're going to fix
it so that every time you get into the participant list you'll be
put in the list of names by default, but they haven't fixed it yet.
To chat with a participant, you have to open the chat panel. You do
this by pressing alt-H. That opens the chat panel. You then tab
around until you find the names of participants and press enter on
the name of the person you want to chat with. By default it's set to
send a chat to everyone.
Hope this helps.
John Riehl


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Miller
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:19 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS and Zoom

Dear Listers:

I am taking part in a class at church via Zoom. I know how to join
a meeting and how to mute and unmute my microphone, but there are a
few things I am having problems with. First, when you join a
meeting, how do you get to the Gallery view using JAWS? Also, when
I get to the list of participants JAWS won't read the list whenever
I arrow up and down. Also, I know there is a spot where it says,
"Find a participant." I assume you enter the person's name and then
the person's name will show. But if you want to send a message to
that participant, how do you do it? Whenever I find the "Find
Participant," link and enter the person's name, when I tab again it
just gives me the option to either clear the search or cancel. So
what does this mean?



Rick Miller

Here you go:
https://duckduckgo.com/install

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to
please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* kevin meyers <mailto:kman2020@wi.rr.com>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2020 6:06 AM
*Subject:* duck duck go browser

Hello, Is duck duck go only an extension to a browser? I wasn’t able to
find the duck duck go browser that is just the browser. Cheers, Kevin

what is the difference between feature updates and quality updates?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 5:37 PM
Subject: Windows 10 question
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 05:19 PM, Mario wrote:

    isn't it a bit redundant?

At this point in time, and with the changes to how Feature Updates are
applied, the answer to that is, "Yes."

But, if one wishes to postpone other Windows Updates (and I think that
critical updates are never able to be delayed) one can use those
settings.  The Pause for 7 days is just the default pause.  It says
right beneath if you wish to have a longer period then use the advanced
features to set the time span (up to 35 days).

In advanced settings you also have the option to postpone Feature
Updates from even being presented for up to 1 year (365 days) and
quality updates from being downloaded and applied for up to a month (30
days).

I tried that too, but it didn't work.



Rick Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and Zoom

I read somewhere that ctrl+f2 would do it.
At 01:26 PM 7/14/2020, you wrote:

Okay, but does anybody know how to get into the Gallery view?



Rick Miller

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
JOHN RIEHL via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and Zoom

Hi. I can answer a couple of your questions.
First, you get to the participant list by pressing alt-U. You have
to tab around until you get to the list of names; then you can arrow
up and down. This is somewhat buggy. They claim they're going to fix
it so that every time you get into the participant list you'll be
put in the list of names by default, but they haven't fixed it yet.
To chat with a participant, you have to open the chat panel. You do
this by pressing alt-H. That opens the chat panel. You then tab
around until you find the names of participants and press enter on
the name of the person you want to chat with. By default it's set to
send a chat to everyone.
Hope this helps.
John Riehl


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Miller
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:19 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS and Zoom

Dear Listers:

I am taking part in a class at church via Zoom. I know how to join
a meeting and how to mute and unmute my microphone, but there are a
few things I am having problems with. First, when you join a
meeting, how do you get to the Gallery view using JAWS? Also, when
I get to the list of participants JAWS won't read the list whenever
I arrow up and down. Also, I know there is a spot where it says,
"Find a participant." I assume you enter the person's name and then
the person's name will show. But if you want to send a message to
that participant, how do you do it? Whenever I find the "Find
Participant," link and enter the person's name, when I tab again it
just gives me the option to either clear the search or cancel. So
what does this mean?



Rick Miller

19-09 update? Don't you mean 20-04?

Try this:

1. Press Windows Key + Shift +I to open the Windows Settings pane.

2. In the search field, type update and press the Down Arrow Key until you hear "Windows update," then press ENTER.

You're now in the dialog where you can do things like check for updates, pause updates for seven days, etc.

If you press the "Check for updates" button and your system tells you you're up to date, then there's something either on or in your system that can't be updated to the latest version of Windows 10, or any later versions than your current version for that matter.

You also may not be getting updated because during the hours you've chosen for those updates to be applied, your computer is off or offline. You can force the update(s) to happen by tabbing through the updates dialog and finding a list of available updates chosen for your system, then tabbing to the download or "install" button immediately after that list.

HTH

On 7/14/2020 6:17 PM, Gary Ketler wrote:

I never received the 1909 updates. I guess I’m out of luck.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 3:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 question

 

There's nothing to check. Updates are no longer an option in Windows 10.

That is, you can't say you don't want them. The best you can cd is pause

them for seven days.

 

 

On 7/14/2020 4:23 PM, Madison Martin wrote:

> How do I check to see if automatic updates are inabled?

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee

> Sent: July 14, 2020 3:21 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: Windows 10 question

> 

> Hi,

> The fastest way to find out what Windows 10 release you are using is: Start

> menu, type "winver" (without quotes) and press Enter. Listen to the line that

> starts with "Version".

> As for automatic updates: yes, it is advised to keep this enabled. In the past,

> people gave conflicting advice in regards to keeping automatic updates on or

> off, mainly because of concern that you may find yourself upgraded to more

> recent Windows 10 release (termed "feature updates"). Times have changed since

> then - Microsoft will not install new Windows 10 feature updates (releases)

> unless your system (hardware and software) is deemed compatible with the new

> update.

> Although the following will not directly address automatic updates question

> posed, it provides a short overview on what is happening with feature updates

> (source: the Win10 forum I mentioned earlier):

> https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/message/45181?p=,,,100,0,0,0::Created,,featu

> re+updates,100,2,0,74554449

> Cheers,

> Joseph

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin

> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:11 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Windows 10 question

> 

> Hi again all,

> Can someone please tell me how to find out what vertion of Windows 10 I'm

> running? Just curious to know that's all. Also, should I have automatic updates

> turned on? Thanks Madison

I never received the 1909 updates. I guess I’m out of luck.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 3:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 question

 

There's nothing to check. Updates are no longer an option in Windows 10.

That is, you can't say you don't want them. The best you can cd is pause

them for seven days.

 

 

On 7/14/2020 4:23 PM, Madison Martin wrote:

> How do I check to see if automatic updates are inabled?

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee

> Sent: July 14, 2020 3:21 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: Windows 10 question

> 

> Hi,

> The fastest way to find out what Windows 10 release you are using is: Start

> menu, type "winver" (without quotes) and press Enter. Listen to the line that

> starts with "Version".

> As for automatic updates: yes, it is advised to keep this enabled. In the past,

> people gave conflicting advice in regards to keeping automatic updates on or

> off, mainly because of concern that you may find yourself upgraded to more

> recent Windows 10 release (termed "feature updates"). Times have changed since

> then - Microsoft will not install new Windows 10 feature updates (releases)

> unless your system (hardware and software) is deemed compatible with the new

> update.

> Although the following will not directly address automatic updates question

> posed, it provides a short overview on what is happening with feature updates

> (source: the Win10 forum I mentioned earlier):

> https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/message/45181?p=,,,100,0,0,0::Created,,featu

> re+updates,100,2,0,74554449

> Cheers,

> Joseph

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin

> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:11 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Windows 10 question

> 

> Hi again all,

> Can someone please tell me how to find out what vertion of Windows 10 I'm

> running? Just curious to know that's all. Also, should I have automatic updates

> turned on? Thanks Madison

Mike and All:

It's been a long morning and I'm probably missing something obvious, but using the link in the post, I'm not finding a way of downloading DuckDuckGo as a browser on Windows 10 Pro with JAWS 2020.

Google Chrome is my default browser.  Am I correct that if, I want to make Chrome more private, I should get the DuckDuckGo Chrome extension? And it's at the Chrome store?  And I don't need an extension for DuckDuckGo as a browser?

Any help straightening me out will be greatly appreciated.

Margaret


On 6/24/2020 12:04 PM, Mike B wrote:

Here you go:
https://duckduckgo.com/install

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

There's nothing to check. Updates are no longer an option in Windows 10.

That is, you can't say you don't want them. The best you can cd is pause

them for seven days.

On 7/14/2020 4:23 PM, Madison Martin wrote:

> How do I check to see if automatic updates are inabled?

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee

> Sent: July 14, 2020 3:21 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: Windows 10 question

> 

> Hi,

> The fastest way to find out what Windows 10 release you are using is: Start

> menu, type "winver" (without quotes) and press Enter. Listen to the line that

> starts with "Version".

> As for automatic updates: yes, it is advised to keep this enabled. In the past,

> people gave conflicting advice in regards to keeping automatic updates on or

> off, mainly because of concern that you may find yourself upgraded to more

> recent Windows 10 release (termed "feature updates"). Times have changed since

> then - Microsoft will not install new Windows 10 feature updates (releases)

> unless your system (hardware and software) is deemed compatible with the new

> update.

> Although the following will not directly address automatic updates question

> posed, it provides a short overview on what is happening with feature updates

> (source: the Win10 forum I mentioned earlier):

> https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/message/45181?p=,,,100,0,0,0::Created,,featu

> re+updates,100,2,0,74554449

> Cheers,

> Joseph

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin

> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:11 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Windows 10 question

> 

> Hi again all,

> Can someone please tell me how to find out what vertion of Windows 10 I'm

> running? Just curious to know that's all. Also, should I have automatic updates

> turned on? Thanks Madison

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

> 

Here you go:
https://duckduckgo.com/install
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* kevin meyers <mailto:kman2020@wi.rr.com>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2020 6:06 AM
*Subject:* duck duck go browser
Hello, Is duck duck go only an extension to a browser? I wasn’t able to find the duck duck go browser that is just the browser. Cheers, Kevin

On Jul 14, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:



forward to hear from you.

Best regards 

Michael Munn 

It's up to 78.0.2, and it's real broke even on JAWS 2020. Doesn't work any better with NVDA or Narrator, so I'm not all-fired sure it's a JAWS problem.

On 7/14/2020 4:23 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

According to Eric Damery and Glen Gordon in today's NFB meeting on JAWS, Mozilla is aware of this issue which was caused inadvertently by them in the Firefox 78.x update and it should be fixed when version 79 is released on the 28th of this month.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Blair
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

I'm thinking 78.0.2 is crashing less than 78.0.1 but still definitely not good! I'm using Chrome a lot more now, or else using Firefox with NVDA. I tried Jaws 2019 and 2020 and they both crash often with latest Firefox.

On 7/12/2020 8:42 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

78.02 which is now the latest version, also crashes, I mostly use the new Chromium based Edge for the most part.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

It crashed occasionally before 78.0.1 but it was a tolerable level of wankiness. This update is definitely unveiling something nasty. Mozilla apparently had a twitter back and forth trying to reproduce this bug and it was a tricky one to both find and solve. I guess we wait for next update, which with FF…should be soon.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: July 12, 2020 4:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

For what it’s worth, I have JAWS 2020 and I have stopped using Firefox for the most part because it crashes frequently. I spoke with tech support at Freedom Scientific who told me they are well aware of it.

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 2:43 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

Hey folks. Yes, I know JAWS 2018 is behind the curve, now, and that an upgrade would be beneficial. However, I’m not in a position to upgrade at this time. At the risk of running a huge struggle to continue using outdated software, I would like to know if anybody has any ideas of configuration settings that might make Firefox less crashy using this screen-reader. I know its’ an issue between interaction with JAWS and firefox and, frankly, always has been since the advent of Quantum. I tested this with nVDA (2019.3 and 2020.1) and it’s a lot less crashy. In fact I have failed to make Firefox crash even once using this other screen-reader. I know some users of JAWS 2020 have reported crashes, too, but I’m unable to test that currently and at a guess, newer versions of JFW should probably work better as well as NVDA. Anyway, since I’m not looking to downgrade firefox and not quite ready to either upgrade or give up JFW for the web browsing experience, in part because it works so nicely with my Focus braille display, just wondering if there are any flags/options I can alter in about:preferences or about:config (firefox’s “hidden” advanced settings page containing literally thousands of configurable options) that might help me have a smoother experience. Right now, since FF updated to 78.0.1 a week or two ago, everything from wikipedia pages to my old wisp’s webmail is crashing tabs. This only happens when jFW is running.

 

NB: I’m aware of other browsers  and use them, so no need to suggest just switching browsers. Thanks!!

 

 

 

It's up to 78.0.2, and it's real broke even on JAWS 2020. Doesn't work any better with NVDA or Narrator, so I'm not all-fired sure it's a JAWS problem.

According to Eric Damery and Glen Gordon in today's NFB meeting on JAWS, Mozilla is aware of this issue which was caused inadvertently by them in the Firefox 78.x update and it should be fixed when version 79 is released on the 28th of this month.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Blair
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

I'm thinking 78.0.2 is crashing less than 78.0.1 but still definitely not good! I'm using Chrome a lot more now, or else using Firefox with NVDA. I tried Jaws 2019 and 2020 and they both crash often with latest Firefox.

On 7/12/2020 8:42 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

78.02 which is now the latest version, also crashes, I mostly use the new Chromium based Edge for the most part.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

It crashed occasionally before 78.0.1 but it was a tolerable level of wankiness. This update is definitely unveiling something nasty. Mozilla apparently had a twitter back and forth trying to reproduce this bug and it was a tricky one to both find and solve. I guess we wait for next update, which with FF…should be soon.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: July 12, 2020 4:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

For what it’s worth, I have JAWS 2020 and I have stopped using Firefox for the most part because it crashes frequently. I spoke with tech support at Freedom Scientific who told me they are well aware of it.

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 2:43 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

Hey folks. Yes, I know JAWS 2018 is behind the curve, now, and that an upgrade would be beneficial. However, I’m not in a position to upgrade at this time. At the risk of running a huge struggle to continue using outdated software, I would like to know if anybody has any ideas of configuration settings that might make Firefox less crashy using this screen-reader. I know its’ an issue between interaction with JAWS and firefox and, frankly, always has been since the advent of Quantum. I tested this with nVDA (2019.3 and 2020.1) and it’s a lot less crashy. In fact I have failed to make Firefox crash even once using this other screen-reader. I know some users of JAWS 2020 have reported crashes, too, but I’m unable to test that currently and at a guess, newer versions of JFW should probably work better as well as NVDA. Anyway, since I’m not looking to downgrade firefox and not quite ready to either upgrade or give up JFW for the web browsing experience, in part because it works so nicely with my Focus braille display, just wondering if there are any flags/options I can alter in about:preferences or about:config (firefox’s “hidden” advanced settings page containing literally thousands of configurable options) that might help me have a smoother experience. Right now, since FF updated to 78.0.1 a week or two ago, everything from wikipedia pages to my old wisp’s webmail is crashing tabs. This only happens when jFW is running.

 

NB: I’m aware of other browsers  and use them, so no need to suggest just switching browsers. Thanks!!