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Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Gerald Levy
 

Okay, here's a dumb question. If you upgrade your SMA online, will FS send you an installation CD for the version of JAWS you are upgrading to? If so, how long does it take for them to send it? The FS web site doesn't make this clear.

Gerald

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12


Gerald went to the FS website and corrected what I was careful to say was a
guess. If you count the cost of SMAs for those of us who stayed current from
JAWS 7 to 12, FS's $400 price tag for JAWS 12 from 7 looks cheap.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Karen Hughes
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

who ever said anything about fair. they do this to everyone. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12



Full price! You mean FS doesn't even give you a break if you are already
a loyal JAWS user? So somebody who is using an older version of JAWS like
JAWS 7 or 8 would pay the same $1000 for JAWS 12 as somebody who has never
used JAWS before? This just doesn't seem fair.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12


Check with FS in the morning, but I suspect your friend would be asked to
pay full price. I suggest waiting for the release of JAWS 13, which I
believe is anticipated in November. This way if your friend bought an SMA
at
the same time, s/he would be eligible to upgrade to JAWS 14 without
additional charge. In addition, many listers have reported flaws in JAWS
12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. I'm assuming
someone using JAWS 7 hasn't yet switched to Windows 7. I still use XP
Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11,
even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Brian and Denise Albriton
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Has anyone move from jaws 7 to 12 and if so how much did it cost?
Checking on behalf of a friend.



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issues with JFW on my new computer

bill Deatherage <billd@...>
 

Hello,
I have been on the list before but it has been a while. I bought a new computer yesterday and have been having fun in putting the programs on it. it was set up when I got it. I am having some problems in IE 9. when I go to download a program and I get to the option where it says to either save or run the program I cannot get it to go to save. I have had it to get to run by trying different things. in the windows Mail program I have been having some issues with writing messages. I am typing the message and when I make a mistake I arrow back to correct the problem and there is nothing there or JAWS isn’t reading it. I have tried another r screen reading program and had some issues with the brows mode. I am wondering if JAWS is now having some issues with that? I am wondering if it is the programs like windows mail, and IE 9, or is it JFW, or is it the computer. I have tried fire fox and it seems to work better with JFW than IE 9.
any suggestions would be appreciated.
Like I said, the computer is new and if there is an issue with It I would like to get it solved since I have only had it home for 2 days.
Thank you again in advance.
Bill Deatherage
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Re: Question on activation count

Troy Sullivan <troysullivan02@...>
 

About the comment for why a person might use more then 2 computers. Sometimes employers do not have their own coppy and so the employee has to use their own coppy on the employers computers. Now should this be changed? yes but that's for a whole nother topic.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: Question on activation count


Like I said though for those it wouldn't help they could stay as they are. FS could at least use it to confirm that those who are in fixed locations are just using them on one PC in the same location. I don't think one solution will fit everyones needs and perhaps a combination of my suggestion,and the two current methods of the ILM and dongle authorisation would help. Either way I think FS are being annel anal about it.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 3:22 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Question on activation count

Peter:

Your idea, would not be of any use to those of us who travel a great deal
and use a PackMate or a laptop because, the IP address would constantly
change.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: Question on activation count


In my case I haven't had as many activations as FS claims. I only use JAWS on both of my PCs and no where else. The only times I've had activations has been when I've restored my PC back and fitted new hardware. Some of the times I've restored my PC back has been due to issues with JAWS and trying to resolve them. A more sensible approach from FS would be to have JAWS send once a day a message to FS giving the IP address of the computer then they would be able to see that it was being used in the location it was intended for and wouldn't be an issue. For those who don't want FS to have that information they can just remain as they are.

We pay a lot of money for the software to say the least. I appreciate FS want to protect themselves from piracy but I am sure that such a strict policy on activations is what has caused some to go down the route of piracy (mine is a fully paid for version and I do not condone piracy in the slightest).

Peter

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Question on activation count


Why does anyone need more than one or two computers for personal use? The
people who run into problems with their activation counts seem to own a
zillion computers. This is absurd. Any blind computer user who owns more
than two computers deserves to be scrutinized by FS.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 10:04 PM
Subject: RE: Question on activation count


Steve, a small objection from one who has requested new activations only
twice in nearly two decades. Agreed, requesting a lot of activations could
indicate usage outside the terms of our agreement with FS. However, it's
clear that many people here need activations for reasons to do with the
number of systems they have, the hardware upgrades they install, the
occasional mistakes they make, and so on. FS has a right to protect its
revenue source, but it does come at a cost to customers of the unrestricted
use of a program we paid generously for.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 4:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Question on activation count

Very good as long as you don't ask for an increase in counts on a weekend
and as long as you aren't abusing it by asking for a lot of key recount
increases.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Question on activation count


That's what I thought, so my next question is "How liberal is FS
when it comes to getting your activation count re-set if needed?

Tom in Michigan


----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: RE: Question on activation count


Hello there;

No, you will only receive 3
Regardless of which version you use,


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:29 PM
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Subject: Question on activation count

Hi, all.

I'm between computers here, and have a question about Jaws activation
counts.

I know I could call FS about this, but figured I might get a quicker
answer from the list.

Regarding activations, does a single-license Jaws user like myself
have a given number of activations for each separate version of Jaws,
or is the allotted number of 3 activations constant across all
versions of Jaws collectively?

I am getting a couple of new computers set up for both office and
home, and

am trying to figure out how best to proceed, while still keeping an
older Windows XP machine around as a back-up in case that is needed as
well.

I have Jaws 12, but a few earlier versions of Jaws that I could
probably use if neded, if that would give me more activations to work
with.

Thanks!

Tom from Michigan



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Re: fire fox and jaw

Ambrose <ambroselh@...>
 

Web vism works with all firefox versions

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of CrisMunoz54
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 4:38 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: fire fox and jaw

Haven't actually had a chance to use it, but if the compatibility plug-in
still works, then I would guess it should. Maybe I'll try it out later to
see.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: fire fox and jaw


Does Webvisum work with FF 6? FF 7 is already in beta and scheduled for
release in about two weeks.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "CrisMunoz54" <crismunoz54@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 4:05 PM
Subject: RE: fire fox and jaw


FF 6 works well with Jaws 11 and up. In fact, the address bar works in FF
6
again.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Kerri
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:38 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: fire fox and jaw

Hello. Yes, I have installed fox 6 because that is the only one I know of
and I did so in a pinch. The synchronizing was my next question since I
don't know how to import my favorites or anything else with fox but I'll
quit bugging you now. Grin.

Jesus is the author of connection. Satan is the author of isolation. The
more our enemy takes us captive, the further we distance ourselves from
healthy people. - Beth Moore

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:27 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: fire fox and jfw

Kerri,

Have you installed Firefox 6? I have no experience with that version for a
reason I'll explain in a moment.

In terms of JAWS, I don't recall needing to make any adjustments for
Firefox
3 and 4. I assume, without knowing for a fact, that Firefox 6 and JAWS
work
well together.

If you explore the Mozilla website, you'll find references to many, many
add-ons that can enhance your experience. These have to do with
synchronizing your Firefox and IE favorites, PDF files, Adobe Flash and
more.

Many of us started using Firefox because of Webvisum, which deciphered
so-called CAPTIA, or image codes, that many websites use for security
purposes. Webvisum never worked with IE. However, Webvisum hasn't been
updated for versions 5 and 6, and the people at Webvisum haven't been
responding to queries.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Kerri
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 3:08 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: fire fox and jfw



Hello, all. I'm new to Firefox and was inquiring whether or not there are
any settings needed to optimize fire fox with jaws? Thanks and have a
great
day.

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Re: Accessible software with JAWS there can read information about wireless network

Ambrose <ambroselh@...>
 

You hit alt enter on the windows key after tabbing too it and it lets you go
to the system tray and put things in there and control how you use them

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Anders Boholdt-Petersen
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:17 PM
To: jfw@...
Subject: RE: Accessible software with JAWS there can read information about
wireless network

Hi everyone,

I can not find a icon for the wireless network if I go to the system tree
unfortunately.

How can I setup this icon, so the icon for my wireless network came up in
the system tree?

I have tried to go into Windows Control Panel>Network connections>Wireless
network connection, but if I take a look on the properties, I only can find
a checkboks there is says "Show the icon in taskbar when connected", and the
checkboks is checked.

I using Windows XP Service Pack 3.

Thanks for the answer.

Regards,
Anders
--- David wrote ---
Hello another way this can be done is,

Go to system tray,
Arrow to the network icon,
Or, connection,
Now, tab to Left single click button,Now, tab you will get all the necessary
information.


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Re: What to do about XP machines

Tom Behler
 

Ok, Steve. ... Thanks for the response.

I'm going to play it cool for a while here and see what other feedback I get.

Actually, I think my time and energy this week will be spent getting Jaws 12 up and running on the new Windows 7 laptop the University will be giving me, so the XP thing can wait for a bit.

Tom in Michigan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve" <k8sp@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines


Tom,

While several people have reported issues, I've not had any and I am running XP here with Jaws 12 Pro.

Steve,
Lansing, MI

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@...>
To: "Jaws users e-mail list" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:27 AM
Subject: What to do about XP machines


Hello, everyone.

In a recent post, I believe Adrian said the following:

"Many listers have reported flaws in JAWS 12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. ... I still use XP Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11, even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12."

The timing for this comment couldn't have been better in my case.

Although this is likely to change soon as my University switches us all completely over to Windows 7, my desktop at work is still an XP machine, and still has Jaws 11. The back-up PC I have at home is an XP machine, and that too has Jaws 11.

So, is the collective wisdom of the group to keep things as they are now on the XP machines, rather than installing Jaws 12 which seems to be geared more to Windows 7?

If this is true, you guys have just saved me some head-aches with my remaining XP computers, and I thank you sincerely for that.

I'll save my headaches for installing Jaws 12 on the new Windows 7 laptop the University will give me this week. (smile)

Tom in Michigan


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Re: Question on activation count

Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...>
 

Like I said though for those it wouldn't help they could stay as they are. FS could at least use it to confirm that those who are in fixed locations are just using them on one PC in the same location. I don't think one solution will fit everyones needs and perhaps a combination of my suggestion,and the two current methods of the ILM and dongle authorisation would help. Either way I think FS are being annel anal about it.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 3:22 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Question on activation count

Peter:

Your idea, would not be of any use to those of us who travel a great deal
and use a PackMate or a laptop because, the IP address would constantly
change.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: Question on activation count


In my case I haven't had as many activations as FS claims. I only use JAWS on both of my PCs and no where else. The only times I've had activations has been when I've restored my PC back and fitted new hardware. Some of the times I've restored my PC back has been due to issues with JAWS and trying to resolve them. A more sensible approach from FS would be to have JAWS send once a day a message to FS giving the IP address of the computer then they would be able to see that it was being used in the location it was intended for and wouldn't be an issue. For those who don't want FS to have that information they can just remain as they are.

We pay a lot of money for the software to say the least. I appreciate FS want to protect themselves from piracy but I am sure that such a strict policy on activations is what has caused some to go down the route of piracy (mine is a fully paid for version and I do not condone piracy in the slightest).

Peter

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Question on activation count


Why does anyone need more than one or two computers for personal use? The
people who run into problems with their activation counts seem to own a
zillion computers. This is absurd. Any blind computer user who owns more
than two computers deserves to be scrutinized by FS.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 10:04 PM
Subject: RE: Question on activation count


Steve, a small objection from one who has requested new activations only
twice in nearly two decades. Agreed, requesting a lot of activations could
indicate usage outside the terms of our agreement with FS. However, it's
clear that many people here need activations for reasons to do with the
number of systems they have, the hardware upgrades they install, the
occasional mistakes they make, and so on. FS has a right to protect its
revenue source, but it does come at a cost to customers of the unrestricted
use of a program we paid generously for.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 4:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Question on activation count

Very good as long as you don't ask for an increase in counts on a weekend
and as long as you aren't abusing it by asking for a lot of key recount
increases.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Question on activation count


That's what I thought, so my next question is "How liberal is FS
when it comes to getting your activation count re-set if needed?

Tom in Michigan


----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: RE: Question on activation count


Hello there;

No, you will only receive 3
Regardless of which version you use,


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:29 PM
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Subject: Question on activation count

Hi, all.

I'm between computers here, and have a question about Jaws activation
counts.

I know I could call FS about this, but figured I might get a quicker
answer from the list.

Regarding activations, does a single-license Jaws user like myself
have a given number of activations for each separate version of Jaws,
or is the allotted number of 3 activations constant across all
versions of Jaws collectively?

I am getting a couple of new computers set up for both office and
home, and

am trying to figure out how best to proceed, while still keeping an
older Windows XP machine around as a back-up in case that is needed as
well.

I have Jaws 12, but a few earlier versions of Jaws that I could
probably use if neded, if that would give me more activations to work
with.

Thanks!

Tom from Michigan



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Re: What to do about XP machines

Steve <k8sp@...>
 

Tom,

While several people have reported issues, I've not had any and I am running XP here with Jaws 12 Pro.

Steve,
Lansing, MI

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@...>
To: "Jaws users e-mail list" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:27 AM
Subject: What to do about XP machines


Hello, everyone.

In a recent post, I believe Adrian said the following:

"Many listers have reported flaws in JAWS 12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. ... I still use XP Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11, even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12."

The timing for this comment couldn't have been better in my case.

Although this is likely to change soon as my University switches us all completely over to Windows 7, my desktop at work is still an XP machine, and still has Jaws 11. The back-up PC I have at home is an XP machine, and that too has Jaws 11.

So, is the collective wisdom of the group to keep things as they are now on the XP machines, rather than installing Jaws 12 which seems to be geared more to Windows 7?

If this is true, you guys have just saved me some head-aches with my remaining XP computers, and I thank you sincerely for that.

I'll save my headaches for installing Jaws 12 on the new Windows 7 laptop the University will give me this week. (smile)

Tom in Michigan


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Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Steve <k8sp@...>
 

Oh brother, Adrian, don't guess on that. They cap it after a couple upgrade steps, can't remember if it is two or three but it certainly wouldn't be full price. The actual price depends on whether their friend is upgrading the Home or the Professional version.

Steve

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12


Check with FS in the morning, but I suspect your friend would be asked to
pay full price. I suggest waiting for the release of JAWS 13, which I
believe is anticipated in November. This way if your friend bought an SMA at
the same time, s/he would be eligible to upgrade to JAWS 14 without
additional charge. In addition, many listers have reported flaws in JAWS 12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. I'm assuming
someone using JAWS 7 hasn't yet switched to Windows 7. I still use XP Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11, even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Brian and Denise Albriton
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Has anyone move from jaws 7 to 12 and if so how much did it cost?
Checking on behalf of a friend.



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Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Dave Scrimenti <dscrimenti@...>
 

Now can someone list all the extra functions you get with the pro version for that extra $200? For $200, you must get a lot more features with the pro version, right?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12


Gerald went to the FS website and corrected what I was careful to say was a
guess. If you count the cost of SMAs for those of us who stayed current from
JAWS 7 to 12, FS's $400 price tag for JAWS 12 from 7 looks cheap.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Karen Hughes
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

who ever said anything about fair. they do this to everyone. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12



Full price! You mean FS doesn't even give you a break if you are already
a loyal JAWS user? So somebody who is using an older version of JAWS like
JAWS 7 or 8 would pay the same $1000 for JAWS 12 as somebody who has never
used JAWS before? This just doesn't seem fair.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12


Check with FS in the morning, but I suspect your friend would be asked to
pay full price. I suggest waiting for the release of JAWS 13, which I
believe is anticipated in November. This way if your friend bought an SMA
at
the same time, s/he would be eligible to upgrade to JAWS 14 without
additional charge. In addition, many listers have reported flaws in JAWS
12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. I'm assuming
someone using JAWS 7 hasn't yet switched to Windows 7. I still use XP
Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11,
even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Brian and Denise Albriton
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Has anyone move from jaws 7 to 12 and if so how much did it cost?
Checking on behalf of a friend.



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Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Adrian Spratt
 

Gerald went to the FS website and corrected what I was careful to say was a
guess. If you count the cost of SMAs for those of us who stayed current from
JAWS 7 to 12, FS's $400 price tag for JAWS 12 from 7 looks cheap.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Karen Hughes
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

who ever said anything about fair. they do this to everyone. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12



Full price! You mean FS doesn't even give you a break if you are already
a loyal JAWS user? So somebody who is using an older version of JAWS like
JAWS 7 or 8 would pay the same $1000 for JAWS 12 as somebody who has never
used JAWS before? This just doesn't seem fair.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12


Check with FS in the morning, but I suspect your friend would be asked to
pay full price. I suggest waiting for the release of JAWS 13, which I
believe is anticipated in November. This way if your friend bought an SMA
at
the same time, s/he would be eligible to upgrade to JAWS 14 without
additional charge. In addition, many listers have reported flaws in JAWS
12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. I'm assuming
someone using JAWS 7 hasn't yet switched to Windows 7. I still use XP
Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11,
even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Brian and Denise Albriton
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Has anyone move from jaws 7 to 12 and if so how much did it cost?
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Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Marsha <marcatony@...>
 

Hi
There are things that can no longer be done with Jaws 10, which I am still
happy with in general. So even though it appears that Jaws 12 still has
problems, we are moving on to Jaws 13?

Marsha

Re: Putting your response first, was: security

Charles Krugman
 

now if its a blog post or a soap opera I always like oldest first.
Chuck

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Scrimenti" <dscrimenti@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Putting your response first, was: Re: security


That was really funny when I read the first message you sent saying you would put your response at the top, while actually putting it underneath. By the way, nothing scientific, but I did ask a few sighted people, and they generally preferred the response first as well. My cousin said that if he asked a number of questions in an email, he'd like the answers inside the original email to make it clear what answer goes with what question, which I agree with. But in most other cases, he'd prefer getting right to the response.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: Putting your response first, was: Re: security


Oops! Old habbits die hard. Ok, this should be right at the top. *LOL*

At 03:54 PM 7/26/2011, you wrote:
At 03:16 PM 7/26/2011, you wrote:
I would like to request putting your response at the top of the reply rather than under the original message. This way I don't have to read through the original post again before reading your thoughts.
Ok. I'll try to do so. Most sighted people like it the other way, so I'll adapt depending to which list I am posting.



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Help with authorization, was: Question on activation count

Dave Scrimenti <dscrimenti@...>
 

I have a little trick to help with authorization issues. At a time when you're properly authorized, go to:
C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific
Back up the activator and authorization folders to another location. If you lose your authorization, especially on a weekend when you can't get it reset, just replace the current activator and authorization folders with the ones you previously backed up. I believe you'll have to restart Jaws, but it's been so long since I've done it, I can't remember.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Question on activation count


Adi:

When I purchased my dongle, it was $45.00 US. The price may have gone up since then.

Sincerely:

Dave durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adi Kushnir" <adikushnir@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Question on activation count


Can some one check with FS and tell us here how the price would be if
pearchising a dongle instead of an ILM license?
I have a dongle because this is the only option with the Hebrew version of
JFW in Israel but I'm not limited to activations and the dongle could be
used with any JAWS version/language.
I can transfer the dongle freely from one computer to the other without
anything.

Thank you,

Adi.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 2:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Question on activation count


Why does anyone need more than one or two computers for personal use? The
people who run into problems with their activation counts seem to own a
zillion computers. This is absurd. Any blind computer user who owns more

than two computers deserves to be scrutinized by FS.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 10:04 PM
Subject: RE: Question on activation count


Steve, a small objection from one who has requested new activations only
twice in nearly two decades. Agreed, requesting a lot of activations could
indicate usage outside the terms of our agreement with FS. However, it's
clear that many people here need activations for reasons to do with the
number of systems they have, the hardware upgrades they install, the
occasional mistakes they make, and so on. FS has a right to protect its
revenue source, but it does come at a cost to customers of the
unrestricted
use of a program we paid generously for.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 4:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Question on activation count

Very good as long as you don't ask for an increase in counts on a weekend
and as long as you aren't abusing it by asking for a lot of key recount
increases.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Question on activation count


That's what I thought, so my next question is "How liberal is FS
when it comes to getting your activation count re-set if needed?

Tom in Michigan


----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: RE: Question on activation count


Hello there;

No, you will only receive 3
Regardless of which version you use,


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On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:29 PM
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Subject: Question on activation count

Hi, all.

I'm between computers here, and have a question about Jaws activation
counts.

I know I could call FS about this, but figured I might get a quicker
answer from the list.

Regarding activations, does a single-license Jaws user like myself
have a given number of activations for each separate version of Jaws,
or is the allotted number of 3 activations constant across all
versions of Jaws collectively?

I am getting a couple of new computers set up for both office and
home, and

am trying to figure out how best to proceed, while still keeping an
older Windows XP machine around as a back-up in case that is needed as
well.

I have Jaws 12, but a few earlier versions of Jaws that I could
probably use if neded, if that would give me more activations to work
with.

Thanks!

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Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Karen Hughes <khughes8@...>
 

who ever said anything about fair. they do this to everyone. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12



Full price! You mean FS doesn't even give you a break if you are already a loyal JAWS user? So somebody who is using an older version of JAWS like JAWS 7 or 8 would pay the same $1000 for JAWS 12 as somebody who has never used JAWS before? This just doesn't seem fair.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12


Check with FS in the morning, but I suspect your friend would be asked to
pay full price. I suggest waiting for the release of JAWS 13, which I
believe is anticipated in November. This way if your friend bought an SMA at
the same time, s/he would be eligible to upgrade to JAWS 14 without
additional charge. In addition, many listers have reported flaws in JAWS 12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. I'm assuming
someone using JAWS 7 hasn't yet switched to Windows 7. I still use XP Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11, even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Brian and Denise Albriton
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Has anyone move from jaws 7 to 12 and if so how much did it cost?
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artiva system

Donald Nelson <dnelson1175@...>
 

I am looking for anyone that has knnowledge of the artiva system
software. I am in a position where I may be getting a job with a
company that uses this system. Any information on this system would be
helpful.
Thanks,
Don

Re: [Bulk] Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11toJaws 12

Tom Behler
 

Thanks, Dave.

This is very helpful.

Tom in Michigan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11toJaws 12


Dave and everyone:

From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not automatically assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.

I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not complain that I had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded JAWS 10 and press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS would be loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.

It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a short cut key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if you tried to assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to a program to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the case and give you another opportunity to choose another short cut combination for the other program.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 toJaws 12


Mike,

Not quite.

Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that JAWS will start up
on boot of the computer.

When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a shortcut will be added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and it may or may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.

If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11, 12) you could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the first one with the
hotkey.

Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for the old version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws
12


Hi Tom,

There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J, keystroke. That is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What you need to do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check the box to have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any version of Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut keystroke. Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws 12


Hi, again.

I just thought of one more question here.

What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J shortcut to Jaws 12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?

I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.

All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring the shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.

I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function would have taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.

Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.

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Re: [Bulk] Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 toJaws 12

Dave Durber
 

Dave and everyone:

From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not automatically assign
CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.

I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not complain that I had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded JAWS 10 and press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS would be loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.

It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a short cut key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if you tried to assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to a program to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the case and give you another opportunity to choose another short cut combination for the other program.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 toJaws 12


Mike,

Not quite.

Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that JAWS will start up
on boot of the computer.

When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a shortcut will be added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and it may or may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.

If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11, 12) you could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the first one with the
hotkey.

Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for the old version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws
12


Hi Tom,

There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J, keystroke. That is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What you need to do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check the box to have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any version of Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut keystroke. Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws 12


Hi, again.

I just thought of one more question here.

What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J shortcut to Jaws 12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?

I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.

All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring the shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.

I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function would have taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.

Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.

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Re: What to do about XP machines

Charles Coe
 

Tom,
I would stay with what versions of JAWS works well with your XP computers.
In other words, If it works don't fix it!

Charles

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:28 AM
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Subject: What to do about XP machines

Hello, everyone.

In a recent post, I believe Adrian said the following:

"Many listers have reported flaws in JAWS 12, possibly because it is more
directed to Windows 7 than XP. ... I still use XP Pro, and the warnings on
this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11, even though my SMA
entitles me to JAWS 12."

The timing for this comment couldn't have been better in my case.

Although this is likely to change soon as my University switches us all
completely over to Windows 7, my desktop at work is still an XP machine, and
still has Jaws 11. The back-up PC I have at home is an XP machine, and that
too has Jaws 11.

So, is the collective wisdom of the group to keep things as they are now on
the XP machines, rather than installing Jaws 12 which seems to be geared
more to Windows 7?

If this is true, you guys have just saved me some head-aches with my
remaining XP computers, and I thank you sincerely for that.

I'll save my headaches for installing Jaws 12 on the new Windows 7 laptop
the University will give me this week. (smile)

Tom in Michigan


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Re: Question on activation count

Dave Durber
 

Adi:

When I purchased my dongle, it was $45.00 US. The price may have gone up since then.

Sincerely:

Dave durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adi Kushnir" <adikushnir@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Question on activation count


Can some one check with FS and tell us here how the price would be if
pearchising a dongle instead of an ILM license?
I have a dongle because this is the only option with the Hebrew version of
JFW in Israel but I'm not limited to activations and the dongle could be
used with any JAWS version/language.
I can transfer the dongle freely from one computer to the other without
anything.

Thank you,

Adi.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 2:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Question on activation count


Why does anyone need more than one or two computers for personal use? The
people who run into problems with their activation counts seem to own a
zillion computers. This is absurd. Any blind computer user who owns more

than two computers deserves to be scrutinized by FS.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 10:04 PM
Subject: RE: Question on activation count


Steve, a small objection from one who has requested new activations only
twice in nearly two decades. Agreed, requesting a lot of activations could
indicate usage outside the terms of our agreement with FS. However, it's
clear that many people here need activations for reasons to do with the
number of systems they have, the hardware upgrades they install, the
occasional mistakes they make, and so on. FS has a right to protect its
revenue source, but it does come at a cost to customers of the
unrestricted
use of a program we paid generously for.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 4:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Question on activation count

Very good as long as you don't ask for an increase in counts on a weekend
and as long as you aren't abusing it by asking for a lot of key recount
increases.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Question on activation count


That's what I thought, so my next question is "How liberal is FS
when it comes to getting your activation count re-set if needed?

Tom in Michigan


----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: RE: Question on activation count


Hello there;

No, you will only receive 3
Regardless of which version you use,


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:29 PM
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Subject: Question on activation count

Hi, all.

I'm between computers here, and have a question about Jaws activation
counts.

I know I could call FS about this, but figured I might get a quicker
answer from the list.

Regarding activations, does a single-license Jaws user like myself
have a given number of activations for each separate version of Jaws,
or is the allotted number of 3 activations constant across all
versions of Jaws collectively?

I am getting a couple of new computers set up for both office and
home, and

am trying to figure out how best to proceed, while still keeping an
older Windows XP machine around as a back-up in case that is needed as
well.

I have Jaws 12, but a few earlier versions of Jaws that I could
probably use if neded, if that would give me more activations to work
with.

Thanks!

Tom from Michigan



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