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Re: JAWS and .pdf

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

I get about 3 or 4 of these a day. Someone has scanned a document to PDF using a "scan to image" setting. This means that, to sighted users, it looks like a normal PDF document. Only someone with an experienced eye can tell the difference; however, if a sighted user tries to highlight and copy text, that user will discover there is something wrong. There is no text -- just a series of page images.
You can use OpenBook, OmniPage, PDF converter, or any one of I don't know how many OCR packages to convert these images to text with your degree of success depending on the clarity of the scan.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of David
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:36 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf

Hello there;
No, I highly doubt the pdf document is blank.
There's probably text up on the screen, however, jaws is seeing the pdf as a
graphic, thus,
Blank document.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf

Could the "empty Document" message in Adobe programs be coming from JAWS
instead of Adobe.

Because there is no text information in the document, JAWS thinks the
document is blank, when in fact, it is not. Which is why JAWS is giving the

empty document message.

Sincerely:

Dave durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf



The empty document message means that Adobe Reader is unable to read the
document because it contains graphics that Adobe Reader cannot interpret.
If you have Open Book, selecting the Freedom Import Printer option from
the Adobe Reader Print menu will launch Open Book to scan the document and
attempt to convert the text contained within the graphics into speech
using OCR. The new convenient OCR feature of JAWS 13 will supposedly
accomplish the same thing, but my understanding is that this feature works
best on web page graphics, not document graphics. Has anyone successfully
converted an empty document into speech using the convenient OCR feature
of JAWS 13?

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf


i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable.
If it's empty, there would be nothing to read??

At 04:10 PM 10/17/2011, you wrote:
Is there any way to make a .pdf document which shows up as an empty
document readable by JAWS?

TL

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Re: JAWS and .pdf

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello there;
No, I highly doubt the pdf document is blank.
There's probably text up on the screen, however, jaws is seeing the pdf as a
graphic, thus,
Blank document.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf

Could the "empty Document" message in Adobe programs be coming from JAWS
instead of Adobe.

Because there is no text information in the document, JAWS thinks the
document is blank, when in fact, it is not. Which is why JAWS is giving the

empty document message.

Sincerely:

Dave durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf



The empty document message means that Adobe Reader is unable to read the
document because it contains graphics that Adobe Reader cannot interpret.
If you have Open Book, selecting the Freedom Import Printer option from
the Adobe Reader Print menu will launch Open Book to scan the document and
attempt to convert the text contained within the graphics into speech
using OCR. The new convenient OCR feature of JAWS 13 will supposedly
accomplish the same thing, but my understanding is that this feature works
best on web page graphics, not document graphics. Has anyone successfully
converted an empty document into speech using the convenient OCR feature
of JAWS 13?

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf


i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable.
If it's empty, there would be nothing to read??

At 04:10 PM 10/17/2011, you wrote:
Is there any way to make a .pdf document which shows up as an empty
document readable by JAWS?

TL

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Re: JAWS and .pdf

Dave Durber
 

Could the "empty Document" message in Adobe programs be coming from JAWS instead of Adobe.

Because there is no text information in the document, JAWS thinks the document is blank, when in fact, it is not. Which is why JAWS is giving the empty document message.

Sincerely:

Dave durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf



The empty document message means that Adobe Reader is unable to read the document because it contains graphics that Adobe Reader cannot interpret. If you have Open Book, selecting the Freedom Import Printer option from the Adobe Reader Print menu will launch Open Book to scan the document and attempt to convert the text contained within the graphics into speech using OCR. The new convenient OCR feature of JAWS 13 will supposedly accomplish the same thing, but my understanding is that this feature works best on web page graphics, not document graphics. Has anyone successfully converted an empty document into speech using the convenient OCR feature of JAWS 13?

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf


i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable.
If it's empty, there would be nothing to read??

At 04:10 PM 10/17/2011, you wrote:
Is there any way to make a .pdf document which shows up as an empty document readable by JAWS?

TL

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Re: Help with Combo boxs and JFW

Mike & Barbara <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Marion,

After you have made your selection in a combobox, you can also press the PC
cursor key to close a combobox. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: Help with Combo boxs and JFW


Try this. When entering the combo box, press enter, then alt-down arrow.
That should fix the choices in place so that you can arrow up and down
without losing them. To exit, press alt-up arrow at your selection.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Marion Woods
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:33 AM
To: JFW JAWS List
Subject: Help with Combo boxs and JFW

Hi all,



I am running Windows XP. Can anyone help with a problem I'm having using
the Combo box in the speech setting for selecting the default Sappie5
voice.
The box only displays the current selected voice, in my case the fifth of
a
list of eight, if I use the up and down arrows to change the selection,
it's hit and miss to guess which one I land on until I tab back to the
beginning and start again. I run other programmes that use an identical
box
without this problem, am I doing something wrong?



Marion






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Clark Friedrichs <clark1f@...>
 

I turned something on, I don't know what!
Every time I execute IE, the first thing I hear is "HTML Tag" and then the web page.
It seems to happen only when I first open IE. When subsequent pages are displayed it is not spoken.
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Re: JAWS and .pdf

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello there;
Yes indeed, kurzweil does allow one to save
To other formats.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 12:44 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf

This isn't completely correct. Renaming a PDF file that JAWS calls "empty"
with a .txt extension won't necessarily make it readable. In my experience,
it never does. An "empty" PDF file must be converted with an OCR program.

Although I'm not a Kurzweil user, I'd also modify the first part of your
message. I assume Kurzweil, like other OCR devices, gives you the option of
converting to other formats, such as .txt, .rtf, etc. If that isn't the case
with Kurzweil, it's a serious limitation and a reason I wouldn't buy it.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of robert hebert
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:41 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf

It is quite common for pdf documents to be interpreted by screen-reading
software as empty documents. This is because the pdf file is what is called
an image file. In effect, adobe takes a snapshot of the sender's file and
sends that snapshot to the receiving computer. Although a sighted person
sees text on the screen, Jaws or other speech readers do not hence Jaws, for
instance reports the image as an empty document.
Solution: Scanning software has at least 2 solutions for this problem:
Using Kurzweil scanning software I can print the image document to the
virtual printer. What happens here is that the scanning program scans the
screen as if one had a document on the scanner. Each page of your document
will be virtually scanned in this way and at the end you will be asked to
accept an assigned file name or enter a new one. When saved in this way,
only computers with Kurzweil software will be able to read a document in
this format. I believe that most, if not all software scanning programs do a
similar procedure though I have only used Kurzweil.
The second and just a bit more involved solution is to move the "empty" pdf
file to a folder where you usually keep your documents then using your
scanning software (assuming you have it) select that file through your
scanning program's menu, and save it as a file with a .txt extension. Now
your file will be saved as a text document and at this point, Jaws or any
other screen reading program will be able to read that file.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Ann Marie Medlar
Sent: October-18-11 7:23 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf

When that happens to me I open .pdf using Openbook scanning software. Hope
you have some scanning software.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf


i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable.
If it's empty, there would be nothing to read??

At 04:10 PM 10/17/2011, you wrote:
Is there any way to make a .pdf document which shows up as an empty
document readable by JAWS?

TL

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Re: What if a synthesizer is not listed under Voices in JAWS 13? lis

Gary King
 

I looked at the Synthesizer and Braille Manager in JAWS 13 Public Beta, and when I selected the Add Button, the list of synthesizers included DECtalk Access32, DECtalk Express, DECTalk USB 64 and Triple Talk 64. I haven't tried it, but if I downloaded the 64-bit driver from Access Solutions for my DECtalk USB, I'm sure it would work. If I knew how to get a working version of DECtalk Access32 into Windows 7 64-bit, I would try that also. Actually, DECtalk Access32 is what I would prefer. I'm not a big fan of DECtalk USB.

Gary King
w4wkz@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "ptusing" <ptusing@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:49 AM
Subject: What if a synthesizer is not listed under Voices in JAWS 13? lis


Hi,
I do not use JAWS 12 or 13, but when one adjuststhe voices such as
PC voice or
JAWS voice,
there are normally synthesizers listed there for one to select.
So, does JAWS 13 support
Deck talk Express or
Decktalk U S B in 64 bit Windows 7?

I called Tech Support and al though I have been a big fan of JAWS--
I found the response to be of little use.

As I understand it, JAWS 13 "does not" list
either of the Decktalk synthesizer options.

If
neither is listed, does JAWS 13 support
Deck talk Express or
Deck talk U S B in 64 bit Windows 7?

Thanks

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Re: Help with Combo boxs and JFW

Adrian Spratt
 

Try this. When entering the combo box, press enter, then alt-down arrow.
That should fix the choices in place so that you can arrow up and down
without losing them. To exit, press alt-up arrow at your selection.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Marion Woods
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:33 AM
To: JFW JAWS List
Subject: Help with Combo boxs and JFW

Hi all,



I am running Windows XP. Can anyone help with a problem I'm having using
the Combo box in the speech setting for selecting the default Sappie5 voice.
The box only displays the current selected voice, in my case the fifth of a
list of eight, if I use the up and down arrows to change the selection,
it's hit and miss to guess which one I land on until I tab back to the
beginning and start again. I run other programmes that use an identical box
without this problem, am I doing something wrong?



Marion






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Re: JAWS and .pdf

Adrian Spratt
 

This isn't completely correct. Renaming a PDF file that JAWS calls "empty"
with a .txt extension won't necessarily make it readable. In my experience,
it never does. An "empty" PDF file must be converted with an OCR program.

Although I'm not a Kurzweil user, I'd also modify the first part of your
message. I assume Kurzweil, like other OCR devices, gives you the option of
converting to other formats, such as .txt, .rtf, etc. If that isn't the case
with Kurzweil, it's a serious limitation and a reason I wouldn't buy it.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of robert hebert
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:41 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf

It is quite common for pdf documents to be interpreted by screen-reading
software as empty documents. This is because the pdf file is what is called
an image file. In effect, adobe takes a snapshot of the sender's file and
sends that snapshot to the receiving computer. Although a sighted person
sees text on the screen, Jaws or other speech readers do not hence Jaws, for
instance reports the image as an empty document.
Solution: Scanning software has at least 2 solutions for this problem:
Using Kurzweil scanning software I can print the image document to the
virtual printer. What happens here is that the scanning program scans the
screen as if one had a document on the scanner. Each page of your document
will be virtually scanned in this way and at the end you will be asked to
accept an assigned file name or enter a new one. When saved in this way,
only computers with Kurzweil software will be able to read a document in
this format. I believe that most, if not all software scanning programs do a
similar procedure though I have only used Kurzweil.
The second and just a bit more involved solution is to move the "empty" pdf
file to a folder where you usually keep your documents then using your
scanning software (assuming you have it) select that file through your
scanning program's menu, and save it as a file with a .txt extension. Now
your file will be saved as a text document and at this point, Jaws or any
other screen reading program will be able to read that file.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Ann Marie Medlar
Sent: October-18-11 7:23 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf

When that happens to me I open .pdf using Openbook scanning software. Hope
you have some scanning software.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf


i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable.
If it's empty, there would be nothing to read??

At 04:10 PM 10/17/2011, you wrote:
Is there any way to make a .pdf document which shows up as an empty
document readable by JAWS?

TL

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What if a synthesizer is not listed under Voices in JAWS 13? lis

ptusing <ptusing@...>
 

Hi,
I do not use JAWS 12 or 13, but when one adjuststhe voices such as
PC voice or
JAWS voice,
there are normally synthesizers listed there for one to select.
So, does JAWS 13 support
Deck talk Express or
Decktalk U S B in 64 bit Windows 7?

I called Tech Support and al though I have been a big fan of JAWS--
I found the response to be of little use.

As I understand it, JAWS 13 "does not" list
either of the Decktalk synthesizer options.

If
neither is listed, does JAWS 13 support
Deck talk Express or
Deck talk U S B in 64 bit Windows 7?

Thanks


Re: JAWS and .pdf

robert hebert <roberthebert@...>
 

It is quite common for pdf documents to be interpreted by screen-reading
software as empty documents. This is because the pdf file is what is called
an image file. In effect, adobe takes a snapshot of the sender's file and
sends that snapshot to the receiving computer. Although a sighted person
sees text on the screen, Jaws or other speech readers do not hence Jaws, for
instance reports the image as an empty document.
Solution: Scanning software has at least 2 solutions for this problem:
Using Kurzweil scanning software I can print the image document to the
virtual printer. What happens here is that the scanning program scans the
screen as if one had a document on the scanner. Each page of your document
will be virtually scanned in this way and at the end you will be asked to
accept an assigned file name or enter a new one. When saved in this way,
only computers with Kurzweil software will be able to read a document in
this format. I believe that most, if not all software scanning programs do a
similar procedure though I have only used Kurzweil.
The second and just a bit more involved solution is to move the "empty" pdf
file to a folder where you usually keep your documents then using your
scanning software (assuming you have it) select that file through your
scanning program's menu, and save it as a file with a .txt extension. Now
your file will be saved as a text document and at this point, Jaws or any
other screen reading program will be able to read that file.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Ann Marie Medlar
Sent: October-18-11 7:23 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf

When that happens to me I open .pdf using Openbook scanning software. Hope
you have some scanning software.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf


i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable.
If it's empty, there would be nothing to read??

At 04:10 PM 10/17/2011, you wrote:
Is there any way to make a .pdf document which shows up as an empty
document readable by JAWS?

TL

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Help with Combo boxs and JFW

Marion Woods <marion_woods38@...>
 

Hi all,



I am running Windows XP. Can anyone help with a problem I'm having using the
Combo box in the speech setting for selecting the default Sappie5 voice. The box
only displays the current selected voice, in my case the fifth of a list of
eight, if I use the up and down arrows to change the selection, it's hit and
miss to guess which one I land on until I tab back to the beginning and start
again. I run other programmes that use an identical box without this problem, am
I doing something wrong?



Marion


Re: JAWS and .pdf

Ann Marie Medlar <amedlar1@...>
 

When that happens to me I open .pdf using Openbook scanning software. Hope you have some scanning software.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf


i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable.
If it's empty, there would be nothing to read??

At 04:10 PM 10/17/2011, you wrote:
Is there any way to make a .pdf document which shows up as an empty document readable by JAWS?

TL

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Re: JAWS and .pdf

Gerald Levy
 

The empty document message means that Adobe Reader is unable to read the document because it contains graphics that Adobe Reader cannot interpret. If you have Open Book, selecting the Freedom Import Printer option from the Adobe Reader Print menu will launch Open Book to scan the document and attempt to convert the text contained within the graphics into speech using OCR. The new convenient OCR feature of JAWS 13 will supposedly accomplish the same thing, but my understanding is that this feature works best on web page graphics, not document graphics. Has anyone successfully converted an empty document into speech using the convenient OCR feature of JAWS 13?

Gerald

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf


i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable.
If it's empty, there would be nothing to read??

At 04:10 PM 10/17/2011, you wrote:
Is there any way to make a .pdf document which shows up as an empty document readable by JAWS?

TL

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Re: JAWS and .pdf

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable.
If it's empty, there would be nothing to read??

At 04:10 PM 10/17/2011, you wrote:
Is there any way to make a .pdf document which shows up as an empty document readable by JAWS?

TL

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Re: Jaws13.0 beta

Dave...
 

Gosh, Ted! That was a month ago. I don't use MS-Access so I can't check on
that for you. Why not download the beta (it's already in the 3rd version)
and try it out for yourself?

When I wrote this message a month ago I was still on XP Pro. Now I'm on
Windows 7 32-bit and a new Latitude E6520. JAWS 13 continues to be more
solid than JAWS 12, so I'm continuing to believe that only odd-numbered
versions of JAWS are worth owning.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted" <Ted.Lisle@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 04:49
Subject: RE: Jaws13.0 beta


How about Access 2007 under XP?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:01 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws13.0 beta

Just to let you all know, Excel 2007 now works with JAWS 13. And that
was my
biggest complaint.

They did take my favorite keystrokes for reading top 4 and leftmost 4
cells
and give them over to the new Insert+Shift, T table navigation set with
a
completely unimaginative set of Alt+1 through 8 keys, so I added my own
keystrokes to these and fixed that problem.

So far JAWS 13 is behaving no worse than JAWS 12 in general situations
overall, and perhaps more responsive.

Again bear in mind that I'm still using XP Pro and the Office 2007
suite.

The Convenient OCR feature is pretty good, although I haven't tried too
many
examples of it.

Of course ResearchIt is broken for some of the sites, but that's not a
JAWS
issue.

Note that I copied over my JAWS 12 Place Markers, Personalized Settings,
and
JAWS dictionary files. I *did not* use the merge feature.

And I definitely modified the OCR voice to something less drastic.

Pretty good so far, right out of the box.

I think my theory of odd-numbered versions of JAWS being the best is
holding
up.


Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.

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Re: JAWS and .pdf

Dave...
 

A couple ways...

If you are eligible to receive JAWS 13 it has "convenient OCR" built in,
that purports to work very well for this.

If you happen to own Openbook 8 or 9 you should have Freedom Import Printer,
which allows you to send the document to that printer, and have it
recognized and converted by Openbook.

Other OCR software will also allow you to either directly convert the
document, or if you print it out, allow you to scan in the printed pages.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terrilynne" <shateamo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 13:10
Subject: JAWS and .pdf


Is there any way to make a .pdf document which shows up as an empty document
readable by JAWS?

TL


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Turn back the clock on Windows

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Not sure if this will help /interest you, but it's a Download of the Day
from the Kim Komando Sho.

October 17, 2011
Turn back the clock on Windows

If you're like a lot of people, you might still be hanging on to Windows XP.
It's got a familiar interface and runs just fine on your older hardware.
Unfortunately, that can't last forever.

At some point you'll need to upgrade your computer, and you'll get Windows
7. Perhaps you already upgraded a few years back and you're stuck with
Windows Vista. In that case, you might be missing good old XP.

Well, I'm not going to tell you to downgrade. Vista and 7 are much better
operating systems for security and stability. Plus, they run better on newer
computer hardware. So, you're going to need to stick with them.

That doesn't mean you can't do some customizing. That's the point of the
program Classic Shell. This program adds and replaces items in the Vista and
7 interface to be more like XP.

There are three major components to Classic Shell: Classic Explorer, Classic
Start Menu and Classic IE9. You can mix and match which ones you want to
install.

Classic Explorer adds XP's toolbar back to Vista explorer windows, along
with the useful Up button for moving through folders. It also adds back the
bottom status bar and changes the newer file copy dialog box back to the XP
version.

Classic Start Menu gives you Windows XP's Start Menu. You can customize it
with several included skins to change the look and functionality. To edit
how Start Menu works, go to Start>>Programs>>Classic Shell>>Start Menu
Settings. This is also where you can find controls for the other two
programs as well.

Finally, there's Classic IE9. This brings back Web page titles, several
status bar icons and a few other useful interface options.

Cost: Free
Systems: Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows 7

Click Here to Download Now >>

http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/index.html


Re: Jaws13.0 beta

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

How about Access 2007 under XP?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:01 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws13.0 beta

Just to let you all know, Excel 2007 now works with JAWS 13. And that
was my
biggest complaint.

They did take my favorite keystrokes for reading top 4 and leftmost 4
cells
and give them over to the new Insert+Shift, T table navigation set with
a
completely unimaginative set of Alt+1 through 8 keys, so I added my own
keystrokes to these and fixed that problem.

So far JAWS 13 is behaving no worse than JAWS 12 in general situations
overall, and perhaps more responsive.

Again bear in mind that I'm still using XP Pro and the Office 2007
suite.

The Convenient OCR feature is pretty good, although I haven't tried too
many
examples of it.

Of course ResearchIt is broken for some of the sites, but that's not a
JAWS
issue.

Note that I copied over my JAWS 12 Place Markers, Personalized Settings,
and
JAWS dictionary files. I *did not* use the merge feature.

And I definitely modified the OCR voice to something less drastic.

Pretty good so far, right out of the box.

I think my theory of odd-numbered versions of JAWS being the best is
holding
up.


Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.

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Re: Update from version 4 to version 5 for Nod 32 now availableRE:

robert hebert <roberthebert@...>
 

For anyone not aware, your version of Nod 32 should be updated. Info on how
to do this can be found in their help section. Download and install the
appropriate file for your operating system. You will need your user name and
password. For less advanced users of Jaws, there is a phone number and
evidently they have helped some blind/visually-impaired with the update
process. As per usual, the update is purported to be faster and less heavy
on memory use even though Nod 32 has a good performance rating in this
regard.
I realize this post is not entirely Jaws-related however, antivirus and
anti-spyware and anti-malware etc are such an integral component of computer
health and performance that I felt it important to mention this here. In
many cases, certainly mine at present, The Jaws For Windows mailing list is
currently the only one to which I subscribe.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Charles Coe
Sent: October-17-11 10:12 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Update from version 4 to version 5 for Nod 32 now availableRE:

Hi,

I have Nod 32 on my PC and it works fine. It works in the backround using
scheduled maintenance checks and updates automatically .

Charles

Charles

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of ferretdance83
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 7:10 AM
To: jfw@...
Subject:

JAWS13 is in my immediate future, so keep that in mind when answering this
post.

I use JAWS 10 with Vista. For virus protection, I have Microsoft Security
Essentials. That program hasn't caught any bugs yet, and all the components
are on and working properly (according to the software itself). I'm
suspicious. I don't download from unknown sites, but still... Shouldn't
something bad have tried to infect my computer by now? I've had this system
for two years! I think I have a problem. What virus software do you
recommend to use with JAWS?


Lori of Ferrets at Heart
Ferret Rescue of Huron, Ohio
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