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Re: Problems reading a Word document

Stephanie Switzer
 

Dave
I was about to suggest that.

On 2/7/12, Farfar at Home <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Denise,

First, what version of Word, what version of JAWS? Have you tried unloading
and reloading JAWS to see if it clears?


Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Denise Smith" <dsmith@yorktech.edu>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 05:35
Subject: Problems reading a Word document


The computer has started saying “down arrow” or “up arrow” etc., rather than
reading the actual Word document. Can you help me figure out what I need to
do? Is there a change of settings I need to make in Word? In JAWS?

Thanks for any help.




Denise Smith

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Re: Contacting James the admin

Stephanie Switzer
 

RJ
No problem. i'm getting tired of all of these off topic messages to.

On 2/7/12, RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Stephanie. RJ
----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: Contacting James the admin


I just replied to him on twitter. :) Just thought you would want to know.

On 2/7/12, Allen Stutts <astutts@mindspring.com> wrote:
For someone who already has a Twitter account I see on his web site that
james has been active on Twitter. Perhaps someone could contact him to
get
him to start monitoring the list again or hand it to someone who is able
to.
His web site is:

www.the-jdh.com

Click on the Contact link to find his Twitter account.

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Re: Where in the world are you?

Stephanie Switzer
 

I for one am not annoyed. All I said is that we should not have/ need
to delete, make a filter for, or ignore something that isn't suppose
to be on this list in the first place. I know it shouldn't be here
because had the list admin been paying attention you would have been
band from the list if you weren't reminded of the rules for this list
first. It isn't us who decides what is posted on this list it's the
list admin. I've been suscribed to this list for so long that I can
still remember when the rules for the list were posted down at the
bottom of the message along with the suscribe and unsubscribe links.
Hmmmm! Maybe the rules should be posted there again.

On 2/7/12, Farfar Back in the Saddle <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Good. Don't let the Dorr hit you on the way out.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "wogg le4" <woggle4@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 15:51
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?


Look, there's no point posting about what we should be allowed to post.
I guess that what I'm saying is that I think certain people are going
out of their way to be annoyed.
That's my final word on this.

On 2/7/12, Stephanie Switzer <emmanrusty@gmail.com> wrote:
We shouldn't have to ignore this thread because it shouldn't be on
this list in the first place. And if you want to talk about things
that are clearly labeled then maybe you should take a look at the
email address for this list. The last time I checked it said "JFW" not
"Talk about anything you want to talk about" I'm not trying to be so
negative, but I to am getting tired of seeing topics that have no
relevance what so ever to Jaws on this list. I like this list. I
really do. I just wish people would start posting things that are
relevant to this list. Is that too much to ask?
Though I do have to admit that seeing where all of you are from is
very informative. I just don't think this list is the place for it.

On 2/7/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
I realize some people object to this thread because it's not about
jaws and I guess that's fair enough.

What I would say is that it's a thread.

It's clearly labelled.

It's not as though we decided to discuss our personal lives in the
middle of a thread about say jaws and office.

If you don't like it just ignore the thread. delete it now and again,
if that's what suit's ya!!!

On 2/7/12, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

Perhaps they took a little trip to the planet Mongo, never to return
again.

Gerald


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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?


Aside from the chattiness of this thread, I find it interesting. Now
what
I'd like to know is: where in the world is James Homuth? Where in the
world
is Jessica McTiernan? Our MIA moderators.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 09:25
Subject: RE: Where in the world are you?


Louisville, KY--saaaaaaaah-lute!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of John Vernaleken
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:52 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Where in the world are you?

Clifton NJ


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:39 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco bay area too!
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco Bay Area, California.


Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dondi" <zidnod63@gmail.com>
To: "JAWS mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 03:31
Subject: Where in the world are you?


Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many places
around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to me
would
like to say where they are from?

I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



Dondi

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Re: JAWS append to clip board

Mike & Barbara <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Dondi,

The only way I know of to clear the clipboard is to do the following;
1. Press Windows Key + R, for the run dialogue.
2. Type ; clipbrd

& press enter.
3. Press Alt + E, for the edit, arrow up or down to delete, & press enter.
If you get a confirmation message, okay it.
4. Press Alt + F, for the file menu, arrow up or down to exit, & press
enter.

I'll be damned! Finally a freaking Jaws question! Hope this helps. Take
care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Farfar Out and About
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS append to clip board


Nope. Don't know how.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dondi" <zidnod63@gmail.com>
To: "JAWS mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:55
Subject: JAWS append to clip board


Hi Everyone,



Is there a shortcut key to delete what's on the JAWS append to clip board?
I'm getting kind of tired of this warning message every time I want to
start
a new series of text copies.



Dondi

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Re: Where in the world are you?

Dave...
 

Good. Don't let the Dorr hit you on the way out.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "wogg le4" <woggle4@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 15:51
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?


Look, there's no point posting about what we should be allowed to post.
I guess that what I'm saying is that I think certain people are going
out of their way to be annoyed.
That's my final word on this.

On 2/7/12, Stephanie Switzer <emmanrusty@gmail.com> wrote:
We shouldn't have to ignore this thread because it shouldn't be on
this list in the first place. And if you want to talk about things
that are clearly labeled then maybe you should take a look at the
email address for this list. The last time I checked it said "JFW" not
"Talk about anything you want to talk about" I'm not trying to be so
negative, but I to am getting tired of seeing topics that have no
relevance what so ever to Jaws on this list. I like this list. I
really do. I just wish people would start posting things that are
relevant to this list. Is that too much to ask?
Though I do have to admit that seeing where all of you are from is
very informative. I just don't think this list is the place for it.

On 2/7/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
I realize some people object to this thread because it's not about
jaws and I guess that's fair enough.

What I would say is that it's a thread.

It's clearly labelled.

It's not as though we decided to discuss our personal lives in the
middle of a thread about say jaws and office.

If you don't like it just ignore the thread. delete it now and again,
if that's what suit's ya!!!

On 2/7/12, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

Perhaps they took a little trip to the planet Mongo, never to return
again.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Out and About" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?


Aside from the chattiness of this thread, I find it interesting. Now
what
I'd like to know is: where in the world is James Homuth? Where in the
world
is Jessica McTiernan? Our MIA moderators.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 09:25
Subject: RE: Where in the world are you?


Louisville, KY--saaaaaaaah-lute!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of John Vernaleken
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:52 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Where in the world are you?

Clifton NJ


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:39 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco bay area too!
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco Bay Area, California.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dondi" <zidnod63@gmail.com>
To: "JAWS mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 03:31
Subject: Where in the world are you?


Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many places
around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to me
would
like to say where they are from?

I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



Dondi

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Re: Where in the world are you?

wogg le4 <woggle4@...>
 

Look, there's no point posting about what we should be allowed to post.
I guess that what I'm saying is that I think certain people are going
out of their way to be annoyed.
That's my final word on this.

On 2/7/12, Stephanie Switzer <emmanrusty@gmail.com> wrote:
We shouldn't have to ignore this thread because it shouldn't be on
this list in the first place. And if you want to talk about things
that are clearly labeled then maybe you should take a look at the
email address for this list. The last time I checked it said "JFW" not
"Talk about anything you want to talk about" I'm not trying to be so
negative, but I to am getting tired of seeing topics that have no
relevance what so ever to Jaws on this list. I like this list. I
really do. I just wish people would start posting things that are
relevant to this list. Is that too much to ask?
Though I do have to admit that seeing where all of you are from is
very informative. I just don't think this list is the place for it.

On 2/7/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
I realize some people object to this thread because it's not about
jaws and I guess that's fair enough.

What I would say is that it's a thread.

It's clearly labelled.

It's not as though we decided to discuss our personal lives in the
middle of a thread about say jaws and office.

If you don't like it just ignore the thread. delete it now and again,
if that's what suit's ya!!!

On 2/7/12, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

Perhaps they took a little trip to the planet Mongo, never to return
again.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Out and About" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?


Aside from the chattiness of this thread, I find it interesting. Now
what
I'd like to know is: where in the world is James Homuth? Where in the
world
is Jessica McTiernan? Our MIA moderators.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 09:25
Subject: RE: Where in the world are you?


Louisville, KY--saaaaaaaah-lute!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of John Vernaleken
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:52 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Where in the world are you?

Clifton NJ


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:39 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco bay area too!
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco Bay Area, California.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dondi" <zidnod63@gmail.com>
To: "JAWS mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 03:31
Subject: Where in the world are you?


Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many places
around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to me would
like to say where they are from?

I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



Dondi

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Re: Contacting James the admin

RJ Sandefur
 

Thanks Stephanie. RJ

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephanie Switzer" <emmanrusty@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: Contacting James the admin


I just replied to him on twitter. :) Just thought you would want to know.

On 2/7/12, Allen Stutts <astutts@mindspring.com> wrote:
For someone who already has a Twitter account I see on his web site that
james has been active on Twitter. Perhaps someone could contact him to get
him to start monitoring the list again or hand it to someone who is able to.
His web site is:

www.the-jdh.com

Click on the Contact link to find his Twitter account.

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Re: Contacting James the admin

Stephanie Switzer
 

I just replied to him on twitter. :) Just thought you would want to know.

On 2/7/12, Allen Stutts <astutts@mindspring.com> wrote:
For someone who already has a Twitter account I see on his web site that
james has been active on Twitter. Perhaps someone could contact him to get
him to start monitoring the list again or hand it to someone who is able to.
His web site is:

www.the-jdh.com

Click on the Contact link to find his Twitter account.

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Re: Where in the world are you?

Stephanie Switzer
 

We shouldn't have to ignore this thread because it shouldn't be on
this list in the first place. And if you want to talk about things
that are clearly labeled then maybe you should take a look at the
email address for this list. The last time I checked it said "JFW" not
"Talk about anything you want to talk about" I'm not trying to be so
negative, but I to am getting tired of seeing topics that have no
relevance what so ever to Jaws on this list. I like this list. I
really do. I just wish people would start posting things that are
relevant to this list. Is that too much to ask?
Though I do have to admit that seeing where all of you are from is
very informative. I just don't think this list is the place for it.

On 2/7/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
I realize some people object to this thread because it's not about
jaws and I guess that's fair enough.

What I would say is that it's a thread.

It's clearly labelled.

It's not as though we decided to discuss our personal lives in the
middle of a thread about say jaws and office.

If you don't like it just ignore the thread. delete it now and again,
if that's what suit's ya!!!

On 2/7/12, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

Perhaps they took a little trip to the planet Mongo, never to return
again.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Out and About" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?


Aside from the chattiness of this thread, I find it interesting. Now what
I'd like to know is: where in the world is James Homuth? Where in the
world
is Jessica McTiernan? Our MIA moderators.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 09:25
Subject: RE: Where in the world are you?


Louisville, KY--saaaaaaaah-lute!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of John Vernaleken
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:52 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Where in the world are you?

Clifton NJ


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:39 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco bay area too!
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco Bay Area, California.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dondi" <zidnod63@gmail.com>
To: "JAWS mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 03:31
Subject: Where in the world are you?


Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many places
around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to me would
like to say where they are from?

I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



Dondi

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Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

wogg le4 <woggle4@...>
 

If the firm is registered in Kewait, then it is likely owned by Kewaitee money.

Unlike say the BVI, Kewait is not a large repository of foreign companies.

That whole area has a deplorable reputation for being really difficult
to do business in, though parts of the UAE, Dubi and Abudabie are
different.

On 2/7/12, John Sherrer <john@whitecane.org> wrote:
What Ted did is good. When I went their for JAWS training, I noticed that
most everyone working there was blind, except the instructors. My eyes were
not so good, so I might have missed a sighted person or so. But to see that
many blind working and getting paid good wages is very encouraging.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

That's all right, John. I don't need to talk to the fellow about Ted
Henter's character. I just finished reading the Steve Jobs biography, and I

still like my iPod Touch!

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:23 PM
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


You could bd right about the name, but I was close. But as for the rest
of
the story I can connect you with the fellow I was talking about.
Jojhn

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

I can't speak to the accuracy of the rest of your message, but the creator
of JAWS is Ted Hinter, not Tom Hinter.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:29 PM
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


I know the fellow responsible for JAWS making the move from DOS to
windows.
IN Those days you could call JAWS and speak to Tom Hinter. This fellow
did
this, he called Microsoft many times until he found a fellow wanting to
hook
up with someone to make Windows Accessible. He got the two men together
b;y
phone, and the process started that make JAWS for Windows. This fellow
called Tom Hinter and asked for a free version of JAWS for Windows, and
Tom
told him to buy a copy. That is how Tom Hinter thanked this fellow.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Although it may be a little further down the course selection than 101,
it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can discriminate
in
price will make more money than one which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise couldn't
pay
the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more money on those who can
pay and makes incremental revenue on those who otherwise wouldn't buy. I
could demonstrate this geometrically, but that's a little beyond the
purpose
of this list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be smart
to
discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions that
tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no possibility for
arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price jurisdiction to
sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on this
very
list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly,
that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world countries
than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect
of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the above
actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn from
its
paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while you are in the process.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't
afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well because
they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't
have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community. I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for the
blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people
poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i certainly do
get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price charged for
a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to
duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what it
costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for development,
etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in Windows or
Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple
economics.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway"<rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our
young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the
same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying for
them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be much
more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you support
(and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really foolish
to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program
easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free
upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product and
brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the
product
is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who
develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts. At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough people
are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting
them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I don't
get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re:
Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Blind Tunes 1.3.4 Now updates automatically

John Martyn
 

Yes, I have made it simple to keep updated with the latest scripts so no
more announcements need to be made. If you are out of date, it will
automatically initiate the download for you. If you are fine, there are no
nags or pop up wihndows.
Download it here:
www.BlindTunes.net/BlindTunes1.3.4Setup.exe
Cheers,
John Martyn


Re: Transfering Outlook Express to Outlook 1010

Jim Ronald
 

Thanks Dave. I didn't have too many entries to apply to the Contact List,
so I did them manually. Now everything is funky. Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar Out and About
Sent: February-07-12 11:16 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Transfering Outlook Express to Outlook 1010

Jim,

I think it's in the options, under composing.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ronald" <jtmaronald@rogers.com>
To: "jfw lists" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 07:38
Subject: Fw: Transfering Outlook Express to Outlook 1010



----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Ronald
To: jfw lists
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:49 AM
Subject: Transfering Outlook Express to Outlook 1010


I've transferred my Address Book from Outlook Express to Outlook 2010. I'm
using Windows 7 and Jaws 13. Can someone explain how to get the old
contacts to automatically fill into the To Field, if possible?
Thanks. Jim.
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Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

John ESherrer
 

What Ted did is good. When I went their for JAWS training, I noticed that
most everyone working there was blind, except the instructors. My eyes were
not so good, so I might have missed a sighted person or so. But to see that
many blind working and getting paid good wages is very encouraging.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

That's all right, John. I don't need to talk to the fellow about Ted
Henter's character. I just finished reading the Steve Jobs biography, and I

still like my iPod Touch!

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:23 PM
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


You could bd right about the name, but I was close. But as for the rest
of
the story I can connect you with the fellow I was talking about.
Jojhn

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

I can't speak to the accuracy of the rest of your message, but the creator
of JAWS is Ted Hinter, not Tom Hinter.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:29 PM
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


I know the fellow responsible for JAWS making the move from DOS to
windows.
IN Those days you could call JAWS and speak to Tom Hinter. This fellow
did
this, he called Microsoft many times until he found a fellow wanting to
hook
up with someone to make Windows Accessible. He got the two men together
b;y
phone, and the process started that make JAWS for Windows. This fellow
called Tom Hinter and asked for a free version of JAWS for Windows, and
Tom
told him to buy a copy. That is how Tom Hinter thanked this fellow.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Although it may be a little further down the course selection than 101,
it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can discriminate
in
price will make more money than one which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise couldn't
pay
the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more money on those who can
pay and makes incremental revenue on those who otherwise wouldn't buy. I
could demonstrate this geometrically, but that's a little beyond the
purpose
of this list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be smart
to
discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions that
tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no possibility for
arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price jurisdiction to
sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on this
very
list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly,
that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world countries
than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect
of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the above
actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn from
its
paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while you are in the process.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't
afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well because
they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't
have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community. I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for the
blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people
poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i certainly do
get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price charged for
a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to
duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what it
costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for development,
etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in Windows or
Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple
economics.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway"<rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our
young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the
same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying for
them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be much
more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you support
(and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really foolish
to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program
easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free
upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product and
brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the
product
is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who
develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts. At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough people
are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting
them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I don't
get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re:
Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: JAWS append to clip board

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello there;

Well,
If you have content appended to your clipboard,
If you press ctrl+c=copy,

You do get the prompt just say yes, and the clipboard is cleared for the
next text.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Farfar Out and About
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 3:24 PM
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Subject: Re: JAWS append to clip board

Nope. Don't know how.

Dave Carlson
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To: "JAWS mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:55
Subject: JAWS append to clip board


Hi Everyone,



Is there a shortcut key to delete what's on the JAWS append to clip board?
I'm getting kind of tired of this warning message every time I want to start
a new series of text copies.



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Re: Where in the world are you?

wogg le4 <woggle4@...>
 

I realize some people object to this thread because it's not about
jaws and I guess that's fair enough.

What I would say is that it's a thread.

It's clearly labelled.

It's not as though we decided to discuss our personal lives in the
middle of a thread about say jaws and office.

If you don't like it just ignore the thread. delete it now and again,
if that's what suit's ya!!!

On 2/7/12, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

Perhaps they took a little trip to the planet Mongo, never to return again.

Gerald


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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?


Aside from the chattiness of this thread, I find it interesting. Now what
I'd like to know is: where in the world is James Homuth? Where in the
world
is Jessica McTiernan? Our MIA moderators.


Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 09:25
Subject: RE: Where in the world are you?


Louisville, KY--saaaaaaaah-lute!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of John Vernaleken
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:52 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Where in the world are you?

Clifton NJ


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On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:39 AM
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Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco bay area too!
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
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Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco Bay Area, California.


Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dondi" <zidnod63@gmail.com>
To: "JAWS mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 03:31
Subject: Where in the world are you?


Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many places
around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to me would
like to say where they are from?

I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



Dondi

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Re: JAWS append to clip board

Dave...
 

Nope. Don't know how.

Dave Carlson
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Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:55
Subject: JAWS append to clip board


Hi Everyone,



Is there a shortcut key to delete what's on the JAWS append to clip board?
I'm getting kind of tired of this warning message every time I want to start
a new series of text copies.



Dondi

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Re: looking for a hard drive password program

Dave...
 

I've used one called Imation Lock, and it's pretty accessible with JAWS.
It came with one of my flash drives, so I'm not certain tat it works with
other types of hard drives.


Dave Carlson
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Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:54
Subject: looking for a hard drive password program


hello list.
can anyone tell me if there is a free program that will enable me to put a
password on my secondary hard drive?
i have a primary hard drive in my computer but i also have a secondary one
and it is this one i would like to have passworded.
all help is greatly appreciated.
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JAWS append to clip board

Dondi
 

Hi Everyone,



Is there a shortcut key to delete what's on the JAWS append to clip board?
I'm getting kind of tired of this warning message every time I want to start
a new series of text copies.



Dondi

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looking for a hard drive password program

stephen faill <stephen.faill@...>
 

hello list.
can anyone tell me if there is a free program that will enable me to put a password on my secondary hard drive?
i have a primary hard drive in my computer but i also have a secondary one and it is this one i would like to have passworded.
all help is greatly appreciated.
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Re: Where in the world are you?

Gerald Levy
 

Perhaps they took a little trip to the planet Mongo, never to return again.

Gerald

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Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?


Aside from the chattiness of this thread, I find it interesting. Now what
I'd like to know is: where in the world is James Homuth? Where in the world
is Jessica McTiernan? Our MIA moderators.


Dave Carlson
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 09:25
Subject: RE: Where in the world are you?


Louisville, KY--saaaaaaaah-lute!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of John Vernaleken
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:52 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Where in the world are you?

Clifton NJ


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:39 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco bay area too!
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco Bay Area, California.


Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dondi" <zidnod63@gmail.com>
To: "JAWS mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 03:31
Subject: Where in the world are you?


Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many places
around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to me would
like to say where they are from?

I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



Dondi

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