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Re: Research It and NFL NCAA scores

Howard <hwolcott@...>
 

hi:
I doubt they will fix sports scores in research it unless they can find a website that is not subscription based.

howard wolcott

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From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
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Subject: Re: Research It and NFL NCAA scores

I'm sure you're going to have to wait until JAWS 13 is out. I doubt they
will do any more revisions to 12.

Any dissenters?

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.

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Subject: Research It and NFL NCAA scores


Anyone know when FS is going to release an update that fixes research it for
NFL and NCAA scores?

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Re: Research It and NFL NCAA scores

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

You're probably right, Dave. Not only that, but whenever a Website changes that Researchit depends on, things will break again.

My advice would be to just use your web browser and find out what you need to find out, from just about any Website!

At 10:52 AM 9/9/2011, you wrote:
I'm sure you're going to have to wait until JAWS 13 is out. I doubt they
will do any more revisions to 12.

Any dissenters?

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.

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Anyone know when FS is going to release an update that fixes research it for
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Re: Research It and NFL NCAA scores

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello there;

Here's a message received from freedom scientific regarding research it,

On Behalf Of Eric Damery
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:38 PM

Greetings all,

Nobody is more disappointed to have lost the MLB option in Research It more
than I am. Especially when you consider the tight race in the American
League East where my Sox are doing battle once again with the Yanks and the
Rays. Anyway, here is the scoop on what has happened.
About a week or 10 days ago, ESPN made modifications to how they expose
sports results in an effort to block many different products that had been
tapping into ESPN to get the info in real time and display it. We believe
this was done in an effort to get more organizations to purchase access to
the data and prevent anyone from getting it otherwise. This will not only
impact MLB on Research It, but all of the sports.

We have been investigating the MLB site itself and many other places like
YAHOO but so far, have not found any site that exposes the information away
that will work. We are also reaching out to ESPN and trying to explain who
we are and what we are doing in order to see if we can get them to work with
us. If any of you who use Research It to get access to daily scores would be
willing, please write to them at:
https://r.espn.go.com/members/contact/index

Please be polite and remember, they are not targeting JAWS and Research It
when they make these changes. It would be helpful to explain to them how
beneficial it has been to use Research It in order to get the scores and
schedules without having to weed through all the extra information presented
on very busy web pages. I'm sure that together, we can all work this out and
FS will get this fixed and working again as quickly as possible.

Regards,
Eric Damery
www.freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 11:10 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Research It and NFL NCAA scores

Dave,
Dream on, how about JAWS 15 or so?
Cy

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On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:52 AM
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Subject: Re: Research It and NFL NCAA scores

I'm sure you're going to have to wait until JAWS 13 is out. I doubt they
will do any more revisions to 12.

Any dissenters?

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
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Anyone know when FS is going to release an update that fixes research it for

NFL and NCAA scores?

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Re: Research It and NFL NCAA scores

Cy Selfridge
 

Dave,
Dream on, how about JAWS 15 or so?
Cy

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Subject: Re: Research It and NFL NCAA scores

I'm sure you're going to have to wait until JAWS 13 is out. I doubt they
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Any dissenters?

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
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Anyone know when FS is going to release an update that fixes research it for

NFL and NCAA scores?

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Re: Research It and NFL NCAA scores

Dave...
 

I'm sure you're going to have to wait until JAWS 13 is out. I doubt they
will do any more revisions to 12.

Any dissenters?

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
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Research It and NFL NCAA scores

Pat Pound
 

Anyone know when FS is going to release an update that fixes research it for NFL and NCAA scores?

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Re: test please ignore

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

worked fine.
I had no trouble getting Gmail and Eudora working this week using Imap. It has several advantages over POP.

Chris

At 12:54 AM 9/9/2011, you wrote:
Having problems getting gmail out with eudora,
test 1.
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Cy Selfridge
 

Dave,
I suspect that you have actually hit the problem nail squarely on the head
with your analysys.
Having spent a quarter century as a DBA I can tell you that structured
testing and evaluation is absolutely necessary for any sucessful
implimentation of a product/upgrade.
What we have seen in 12 is a direct result of haphazard testing and
debugging.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 6:45 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Holgar,

That's not a true beta test in the sense I mean. A true beta test is to have

a team of internal Freedom Scientific power-users who are assigned specific
features and test specific applications on a new platform, trying all sorts
of combinations and permutations, then feeding the results back to the
development team. This ensures that all aspects of the software, both new
features and original features are tested to make sure they all play
together.

What FS does is actually a disservice to the customers, as it really says
that they don't have the resources or patience to do all the necessary
brute-force testing inside their walls. Instead they push out the product
and hope that the general user population will somehow catch the bugs they
could not.

And in fact the testing done by the general public is not structured so not
a chance that it will cover all the areas that need testing. I would expect
that most of the public beta-so-called-testers are just users who want an
early copy to try out and start using, and don't bother wringing out all the

capabilities and combinations of applications for integrity. It's a lot like

shooting craps, and hoping that you eventually cover all the possible bets
in a single evening.


Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 16:08
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


when it comes out next week, just download it. play with it and report
problems. The more people do so it will be better.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 6:04 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

Holger, I've been using JAWS since 3.30, how do I become a beta tester?
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:58
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

I got that. I had been using jaws since it came out. I suggest for those who

love complaining to be beta testers to help. Also if someone does not like
the product purchase another program.

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Holgar,

Because FS has a track record of breaking things that used to work, with
each revision. Of course in addition to adding new features.

But we can all hope.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:43
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


why do not wait before making any comments.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss
you off.
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change

to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my

next project which I am not announcing yet.
John
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From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try
out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts.
Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
Thanks in advanced,
John Martyn
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Cy Selfridge
 

Grampa,
I gotta ask, what exactly what were you beta testing? (LOLLLOLLLOLLOL)
Sounds like the product was satisfactory. (LOLLLOLLOL)
Cy, The Anasazi

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 6:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Don,

That's funny! I actually was a beta-tester in that sense, and still got
married.

In any case, you can download a "beta" from FS and use it as long as the
version is not released. Once it's released, the "beta" is supposed to
expire and you will need to either use up an SMA or purchase.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "don wardlow" <wardlows97@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 16:17
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week


Will it be free to download and play with?
I thought 13 would be one we had to pay for.

I think beta-testing is a good idea. If my wife had let me beta-test her,
I'd still be single! lol

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:08 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

when it comes out next week, just download it. play with it and report
problems. The more people do so it will be better.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 6:04 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

Holger, I've been using JAWS since 3.30, how do I become a beta tester?
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:58
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

I got that. I had been using jaws since it came out. I suggest for those who

love complaining to be beta testers to help. Also if someone does not like
the product purchase another program.

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Holgar,

Because FS has a track record of breaking things that used to work, with
each revision. Of course in addition to adding new features.

But we can all hope.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:43
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


why do not wait before making any comments.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss
you off.
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change

to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my

next project which I am not announcing yet.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try
out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts.
Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
Thanks in advanced,
John Martyn
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Re: jaws any version

Dorothy <Dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
 

adrian you are right and last night I recalled that in my case I did use
the sga act, dated 1979. in later years it has been updated to cover
distance selling. However it is a good act Jaws is sold under licence of
course. However imagine this, you are buying your first ever computer,you
have been assessed by a salesman who made a home visit,and been to another
company also needs are a computer a scanner a monitor a printer and an OCR,
in all I got 3 quotes amount was £3,500 One a bit less due to a cheaper
OCR.you are able to see some things still likewhite print on a black
background,and are told "that is no problem jaws is best for you the
equipment arrives ready set to the setting you need all is tested ready to
plug in and go. I did not have internet connection,but that was for me to
choose in due course In no case did I get told of any problems However
tutors I paid to give me some tuition found jaws played up ,they did not
know why one was from dorton college he knew jaws,another was a lady again
she was baffled. Had I known supernova for instance could do easily what I
needed fine I would have boughtit. I went to the fs help site once on line
it
was in germany and the fs technical support got on to sole vendor,now they
came back and forth put magic on,magic made it worse I did not need
magnification so that was a few hundred pounds down the drain.,. I will not
drag out this agony much longer but I did refer to the sga act firmly. In
the end I had no option,I was not the problemI knew that and so did the
tutors I was paying. eric damery made suggestions they did not work,a
bright young man doing research did pin down the problem. eventually I put
all details and recordings in a packet sent to fs in stPetersburg to a
doctor Lee hamilton. why dr hamilton? I read his cv and thought he seems ok
in
advance I contacted his pa,she promised to see he got it personally.well
later I had a telephone call from Bryan carver director of tecnical
support.He said we have run tests and yes you are right we had the same
issues and magic was no good either in factmade it d worse. iwas told a
script wouldn't fix it only a revamp of the software and Fs did not intend
doing thatI got an apology.I should not have had to endure such an ordeal of
course,but I had to fight or go under I was so angry I could never go
through that again however. Dorothy.. I----- Original
Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 11:36 PM
Subject: RE: jaws any version


There have been several muddying messages on this subject on this list.
First, FS's license by itself doesn't determine what rights users have. In
the U.S., state law typically recognizes implied warranty protections that
are additional to the express warranties written into a license agreement.
I
believe this dual protection is followed in countries that have an English
common law heritage.

There is no need to get into the distinctions among copyright, patents,
trademarks and other intellectual property rights. The concept of a
product's fitness to serve the purpose for which it is intended is a
consumer protection.

Most countries run consumer protection offices. In the U.S., the best
place
to go for this kind of assistance is the Attorney General's office of the
state where you live, although some of those offices will refer complaints
to the A.G. for the state where the company has its home office. One or
two
complaints are unlikely to generate a serious response, but complaints
from
a sizable number of consumers could trigger enforcement action.

I am not advocating a complaint-filing campaign. Many subscribers to this
list are content with JAWS, a factor that would go into any enforcement
officer's decision-making process. I'm just trying to clear up the
misunderstandings in this thread.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of d.durber@...
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:01 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: jaws any version

Dorothy:

Soft products, such as books and computer software are covered by each
respective countries Copyright laws, and not laws which pertain to other
types of products, such as computer hardeware, clothing, household goods,
etc.

Your friend should not get confused, between the different laws covering
various types of products, as each country determines the standards and
conditions under which different types of products are sold and warrantees
for each type of product, are covered by the particular laws for the
particular country concerned.

Your friend should read the license for each product to determine any
conditions and rights, in this case the Freedom Scientific JAWS License
Agreement, which can be found in the JAWS Help system.

If your friend needs any further clarrification as to the terms and
conditions of the JAWS License Agreement, they should either contact the
Freedom Scientific dealer in the country in which they live or, they
should
contact Freedom Scientific directly, either by email , by phone or by
snail
mail.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dorothy" <Dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: jaws any version

take care of what exactly? surely if the sale of goods act does not apply,
then do we rely on fs to meet the standards we expect? if so many of the
problems I see on this list and it is a busy list will only be solved by
the
client either putting pressure on fs with their wallet or living in hopes
the next version will solve all our problems wellunless you can say
differently I assume the laws relating to software is much the same
worldwide,although prices will differ I think from country to country as I
have read on this list. However I am sure you meant well kind regards
dorothy
----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: jaws any version

dorthy, if we purchase from freedom scientific they would take care of
this.
this is not our problem. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dorothy" <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:16 AM
Subject: jaws any version

Dear list I just want to be sure that Jaws and in fact all screen readers
are sold under licence I ask since an interesting topic arose on a list I
am
not a member of,a friend just selects any item he thinks is interesting It
was pertaining to jaws however. One of the posts said he was not sure
about
USA, and mentioned the SGA act,that in Uk means the sale of goods act of
1979, It states an item sold must be "fit for purpose" in English law it
is
6 years in Scotland it is 5, the listersaid "i do not know about USA. Well
that act is of course very important but although many Posts were posted,
no
one mentioned that software is in fact sold underLicence I expect the Usa
law is much the same but of courseI maybe wrong I know computers
i.e.hardware is but since Jaws was the subject can you confirm what I
imagine is the case regards dorothy

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Re: Jaws 13 out next week

don wardlow <wardlows97@...>
 

It's my experience that unofficial sources have the info sooner and more
accurately than official sources. God only knows why.

Don

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:56 AM
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Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

the last podcast they briefly mention beta testing. I urged strongly to all
who are member of the list to be beta testers to see if your programs works.

We need to be part of solution and not problem by complaining. I will be
beta tester.


-----Original Message-----
From: Howard
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 7:48 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

hi john and all:
no disrespect, john, but I will wait for an official announcement from FS.
usuallty there is a podcast released before even a public beta.
there is still no podcast yet.


howard wolcott

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From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 6:02 PM
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Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try
out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts.
Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
Thanks in advanced,
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week

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the last podcast they briefly mention beta testing. I urged strongly to all who are member of the list to be beta testers to see if your programs works. We need to be part of solution and not problem by complaining. I will be beta tester.

-----Original Message-----
From: Howard
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 7:48 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

hi john and all:
no disrespect, john, but I will wait for an official announcement from FS.
usuallty there is a podcast released before even a public beta.
there is still no podcast yet.


howard wolcott

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From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 6:02 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@...>
Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts. Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
Thanks in advanced,
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hi john and all:
no disrespect, john, but I will wait for an official announcement from FS.
usuallty there is a podcast released before even a public beta.
there is still no podcast yet.


howard wolcott

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Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 6:02 PM
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Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts. Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
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email list;

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello list members;
I'm just letting you all know;

I have setup a list for, email clients with screen readers.


Here's the information;

table with 2 columns and 4 rows
Post message:
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Subscribe:
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Re: jaws any version

inthane <inthaneelf@...>
 

arg,

what she is talking about is a law in several countries that allows folks to take legal action if a company clamed something is for the use of and/or good for doing, and then the software falls flat on the job.

under such laws a company like FS could be held responsible for replacing or otherwise making good for the rather bad performance and usability of jaws 12, a law that I intend to check into to promote here at home!

inthane
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: jaws any version


Yes, I'm not sure what you're on about Dorothy.

At 10:08 AM 9/8/2011, you wrote:
dorthy, if we purchase from freedom scientific they would take care of this. this is not our problem. karen

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy" <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:16 AM
Subject: jaws any version


Dear list I just want to be sure that Jaws and in fact all screen readers
are sold under licence I ask since an interesting topic arose on a list I am
not a member of,a friend just selects any item he thinks is interesting It
was pertaining to jaws however. One of the posts said he was not sure about
USA, and mentioned the SGA act,that in Uk means the sale of goods act of
1979, It states an item sold must be "fit for purpose" in English law it is
6 years in Scotland it is 5, the listersaid "i do not know about USA. Well
that act is of course very important but although many Posts were posted, no
one mentioned that software is in fact sold underLicence I expect the Usa
law is much the same but of courseI maybe wrong I know computers
i.e.hardware is but since Jaws was the subject can you confirm what I
imagine is the case regards dorothy


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Re: jaws any version

inthane <inthaneelf@...>
 

ah no, in fact most try to deny the very concept of this law, go read the ula of any american sold software,
"not guaranteed for a particular use" and such

it sounds like something we need to look into and perhaps push for here!

inthane
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: jaws any version


dorthy, if we purchase from freedom scientific they would take care of this. this is not our problem. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dorothy" <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:16 AM
Subject: jaws any version


Dear list I just want to be sure that Jaws and in fact all screen readers
are sold under licence I ask since an interesting topic arose on a list I am
not a member of,a friend just selects any item he thinks is interesting It
was pertaining to jaws however. One of the posts said he was not sure about
USA, and mentioned the SGA act,that in Uk means the sale of goods act of
1979, It states an item sold must be "fit for purpose" in English law it is
6 years in Scotland it is 5, the listersaid "i do not know about USA. Well
that act is of course very important but although many Posts were posted, no
one mentioned that software is in fact sold underLicence I expect the Usa
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i.e.hardware is but since Jaws was the subject can you confirm what I
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Re: test please ignore

2.g.i <2.g.i.84972@...>
 

thanks, test 2

At 04:35 PM 9/9/2011, you wrote:
works!

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: test please ignore


Having problems getting gmail out with eudora,
test 1.
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week

John Martyn
 

God I hope not. I will be testing out more than just my scripts. I have office 2010 and office 2007 so I'd like to see what it does to them. Not to mention internet explorer and firefox.
John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Stone" <alex.stone@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week


John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss
you off.
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change

to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my

next project which I am not announcing yet.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try
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Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13?
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Re: test please ignore

Curtis Delzer
 

works!

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Re: Jaws 13 out next week

don wardlow <wardlows97@...>
 

No SMA clock. In fact, if I spend the long green, I mean to buy an SMA.
Of course, I'll try to lean on my state person. I won't spend a dime on JAWS
without at least one screaming argument with that party.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 1:11 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Don,

Unless you are time-constrained to purchase a new version, I'd wait for a
while and watch this list to see what the users have to say about the new
release. No point in paying for something that either broke what you had
before, or didn't add anything you care about.

Again presuming that you don't have an SMA clock ticking.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "don wardlow" <wardlows97@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 18:23
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week


Your beta test must have been more successful than what I was grudgingly
allowed to do after we exchanged vows.

I might try the download, then see if I can hit up my family for the $$ to
buy it for real, since I doubt my state will help.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 8:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Don,

That's funny! I actually was a beta-tester in that sense, and still got
married.

In any case, you can download a "beta" from FS and use it as long as the
version is not released. Once it's released, the "beta" is supposed to
expire and you will need to either use up an SMA or purchase.

Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "don wardlow" <wardlows97@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 16:17
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week


Will it be free to download and play with?
I thought 13 would be one we had to pay for.

I think beta-testing is a good idea. If my wife had let me beta-test her,
I'd still be single! lol

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:08 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

when it comes out next week, just download it. play with it and report
problems. The more people do so it will be better.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 6:04 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

Holger, I've been using JAWS since 3.30, how do I become a beta tester?
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:58
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

I got that. I had been using jaws since it came out. I suggest for those who

love complaining to be beta testers to help. Also if someone does not like
the product purchase another program.

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

Holgar,

Because FS has a track record of breaking things that used to work, with
each revision. Of course in addition to adding new features.

But we can all hope.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:43
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


why do not wait before making any comments.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week

John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss
you off.
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week

That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change

to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my

next project which I am not announcing yet.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week


I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 13 out next week

Hi all,
I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try
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