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Re: Mouse Over

Soronel Haetir
 

It is telling you that there is behavior that is triggered by hovering
the mouse over the element, often this means a fly-out menu (there is
now a better description for that sort of menu available, but websites
are pretty spotty about having switched to that).

On 11/14/11, Dondi <zidnod63@...> wrote:
Hi,

What a is the mouse over feature? I have seen it from time to time but I'm
not entirely sure what it was actually saying to me with the mouse over
comment.

Dondi

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Lois Goodine
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 1:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Mouse Over

I, too, have worked for years with mouse over turned off. But I can
appreciate its availability if and where needed for those who use it.
Probably when I'm more familiar with the settings center, i'll appreciate
its flexibility to turn individual attributes and elements off and on. I
did find that rather than hunting for the mouse over turn off, you can press
alt plus i to reach the "ignore mouse over" item. That unchecks it. So I'm
getting there.
Thank you to all in this discussion.
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Re: Mouse Over

Dondi
 

Hi,

What a is the mouse over feature? I have seen it from time to time but I'm
not entirely sure what it was actually saying to me with the mouse over
comment.

Dondi

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Lois Goodine
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 1:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Mouse Over

I, too, have worked for years with mouse over turned off. But I can
appreciate its availability if and where needed for those who use it.
Probably when I'm more familiar with the settings center, i'll appreciate
its flexibility to turn individual attributes and elements off and on. I
did find that rather than hunting for the mouse over turn off, you can press
alt plus i to reach the "ignore mouse over" item. That unchecks it. So I'm
getting there.
Thank you to all in this discussion.
Lois


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Re: Does any version of JAWS work with A V G in Windows Seven?

Dondi
 

Yes, I'm using JAWS 12 with Windows 7 and AVG 2011 and don't see any
problems.

Dondi

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Bill Spiry
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 9:07 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Does any version of JAWS work with A V G in Windows Seven?

I'm using it with J13 as well as previous versions. working fine.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of ptusing
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 1:59 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Does any version of JAWS work with A V G in Windows Seven?

Hi,
Does A V G work well with any JAWS version in Windows Seven?
Many thanks.

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jaws doesn't announce progress bar

Bhavesh
 

Hay folks,

i am using dell vastro14 40 with jaws12 and win7 proffessional 32bit.
when i am in IE9, jaws doesn't announce the progressbar. whenever i
open a new page. what can be the problem?


Re: Does any version of JAWS work with A V G in Windows Seven?

Bill Spiry
 

I'm using it with J13 as well as previous versions. working fine.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of ptusing
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 1:59 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Does any version of JAWS work with A V G in Windows Seven?

Hi,
Does A V G work well with any JAWS version in Windows Seven?
Many thanks.

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Re: AVG!

djasister@...
 

using a.v.g. 20011 and windows 7 it will crash apn opening virus vault.

-----Original Message-----
From: O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 8:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: AVG!

Hello there!!
Is this Devona here? You stated that AVG isn't work with your jaws right?
What is the problem you have with AVG?

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Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: AVG!


No, right now it is not!

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 6:16 PM
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Subject: AVG!

Yes it does! AVG is verry ScreenReader friendly with jaws!
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Re: AVG!

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Hello there!!
Is this Devona here? You stated that AVG isn't work with your jaws right? What is the problem you have with AVG?

O. Addison Gethers

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Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: AVG!


No, right now it is not!

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Yes it does! AVG is verry ScreenReader friendly with jaws!
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Re: AVG!

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No, right now it is not!

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AVG!

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Does any version of JAWS work with A V G in Windows Seven?

ptusing <ptusing@...>
 

Hi,
Does A V G work well with any JAWS version in Windows Seven?
Many thanks.


Re: Mouse Over

robert hebert <roberthebert@...>
 

I can't agree with you strongly enough, I think the new settings center is
great, and especially the new changes section at the bottom. Back in Jaws 6
I changed some atribute or other and even with teck support we could not
find how to correct my change. Now with the new settings center, this would
be a no brainer--which for me at this stage in my life is becoming a more
constant problem and companion. About half the search terms I have typed in
have not worked but it is easy to escape to the tree view and proceed as in
earlier versions.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
Sent: November-13-11 6:26 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Mouse Over

Hi Mich,

I agree that the new 'Settings Centre' is a very different approach and it
will take people some time to learn their way around it. However, this
particular process was equally as complex in earlier versions of JAWS. The
only real difference was that, instead of using the search box to find
'Modify Schemes...', you'd need to press ALT+S for 'Set Options', then M (I
think, anyway) for 'Speech & Sounds Manager'. The rest of the steps would
be near enough identical.

The one thing which I really do value about the new utility is that it
remembers the last few settings that you've changed. This is particularly
useful in a tech support environment where a user has somehow broken their
JAWS, but they don't know how: it's now very easy to check what settings
they might have changed to introduce the problem - and, indeed, if they
haven't changed anything, you can surmise that the problem is most likely
somewhere else in the system.

Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: 13 November 2011 12:11
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Mouse Over

Thank you Matthew for your detailed and instructive steps for solving this
specific problem.
For me, this confirms my observation that the new Settings Center is a
giant step backwards.
I am an average but long time JAWS user and, rhetorically, I ask how any
casual user of the increasingly complex powerhouse of JAWS 13 is to learn
these kind of commands. It's early here so I hope some of you understand my
lament. Mitch


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Re: Mouse Over

Lois
 

I, too, have worked for years with mouse over turned off. But I can appreciate its availability if and where needed for those who use it. Probably when I'm more familiar with the settings center, i'll appreciate its flexibility to turn individual attributes and elements off and on. I did find that rather than hunting for the mouse over turn off, you can press alt plus i to reach the "ignore mouse over" item. That unchecks it. So I'm getting there.
Thank you to all in this discussion.
Lois


Re: jfw update

northstar1950@...
 

hmmm, i hope to take a look at this problem later this week and maybe i can figure out why and see if i can fix it.


Legend has it that on Sunday 11/13/2011 10:34 AM, Curtis Delzer said:
----------------------------------------
I just wish my JFW13 wouldn't read the line the cursor is on when deleting messages in Eudora 7.1.0.9, even if that line says "blank."

annoying, after a while, in the extreme.
jfw12 and earlier did not do this.


At 03:07 PM 11/9/2011, you wrote:
* Resolved a long-standing issue where it was sometimes
necessary

to reboot the computer in order to use JAWS if the application unexpectedly
closed.


--

If they've actually got that one fixed I'm going to be very pleased.

On 11/9/11, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@...> wrote:
Whoops! He signed his name. Duh. But again, thanks for posting.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 3:08 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: jfw update

Interesting, and to FS's credit, that a number of these revisions address
concerns raised on the list. Thanks for posting. This has the air of Eric
Damery. Is the message from him?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 2:25 PM
To: jfw
Subject: jfw update

Got this from another list and decided to be thoughtful and post it here.

All,

We are in the final stages of testing the first JAWS 13 update and plan to
release next Monday. We have decided to offer early access to this update
for those that want it prior to the Auto Update next week. If you are
interested, the instructions are below along with the list of
changes since
the DVD build 303 was posted.

Regards,

Eric Damery

JAWS 13 Sneak Preview

The next JAWS 13 hotfix is scheduled for November 14, 2011. If you would
like an early preview of the upcoming release, use the access code

370702 to download and install the update as described below. Note that
before attempting the update, you must have Internet access and JAWS
running.

Do the following to enter the access code.

1. Press INSERT+J to move focus to the JAWS window.

2. From the Help menu, choose About JAWS.

3. Choose the Special Update Code button, and then type 370702 in

the Special Update Code edit box.

4. Choose OK to close the current dialog box, and then OK again to

close the About JAWS dialog box.

5. Once this is done, just restart JAWS and the Auto Update will

prompt you to receive the new build, JAWS 13.0.527.

Enhancements and Improvements in JAWS 13

This page describes all improvements made from the first public
beta release
to the current JAWS 13 release. To download the latest release, visit the
JAWS Downloads Web page
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-downloads.a .>
Enhancements in JAWS 13.0.527 (November 2011)

* Resolved an issue encountered on some systems when updating

authorization to JAWS 13. After updating authorization, you may need to
restart JAWS in order for it to take affect.

* Resolved a long-standing issue where it was sometimes necessary

to reboot the computer in order to use JAWS if the application
unexpectedly
closed.

* Resolved an issue where the braille cursor was not positioned as

expected in edit fields when using Structured Mode.

* The Primary and Secondary language for Convenient OCR can now be

changed through Quick Settings (INSERT+V).

* Documentation is now available describing the latest

improvements in the JAWS scripting language. For more
information, visit the
Enhancements in Scripting
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/documentation/scripts/scripting-info.a>
Web page.

* If more than one command prompt window is open, addressed an

issue where JAWS would continue reading text from one command
prompt window
even after changing focus to the other.

* Resolved an issue with Contracted English Braille translation

where the number sign was not appearing directly before the number if the
number was proceeded by a quote and a comma.

* If the Results Viewer and Virtual Viewer are open at the same

time, resolved an issue where pressing ESC would close both viewers.

* Addressed an issue where JAWS was not playing a sound to

identify checked items in some dialog boxes even if the current speech and
sounds scheme was configured to do so.

* Resolved an issue turning off the "read only" announcement in a

speech and sounds scheme.

* If you are using a braille display, JAWS no longer goes into

Line Mode when renaming a file or folder.

* In applications where JAWS can announce indented text, resolved

an issue where JAWS was not speaking indentation information
when using the
Say Line command (INSERT+UP ARROW).

* Pressing ALT+UP ARROW in the help text in Settings Center and

Quick Settings now reads the prior sentence.

* Resolved an issue with PAC Mate Desktop not starting correctly.

* The Study Mode option is now only available if you are using a

braille display that has a double row of cursor router and navrow buttons,
such as the PAC Mate Portable Braille Display, or the Focus 40, Focus 80,
and Focus 40 Blue braille displays. Study Mode is located under Braille
Options in Quick Settings.

* The Current Word Expand option is now only available in Quick

Settings when contracted braille translation is set to Output only.

* In the Startup Wizard, the Enable Flash Messages check box and

Contracted Braille Translation combo box now have INSERT+F1 help.

* Addressed issues that could occur when installing JAWS 13 while

JAWS 12 and MAGic 11 are currently running.

* Resolved an issue where nothing is heard when navigating to a

visited link and the current speech and sounds scheme is
configured to play
a sound.

JAWS Research It

* Resolved an issue where the Results Viewer was blank if Research

It did not find any results for a search. A message is now displayed if no
results are found.

* The NCAA lookup source now returns all division 1-A scores and

schedules. Previously, only the top 25 was displayed. In addition, if you
search for a particular team, both division 1-A and 1-AA are searched.

* Addressed issues with the Weather lookup source when checking

the weather for international locations.

Adobe Acrobat

* Resolved an issue with JAWS not announcing edit combo boxes in

certain PDF documents while navigating with the ARROW keys.

Eclipse

* Addressed an issue where Eclipse would unexpectedly close when

opening and closing the menu.

Microsoft Excel

* When you press an access key in the spell checker to move to the

next error, JAWS no longer speaks the access key you just pressed while
reading the current error.

* Addressed a reported issue in Excel 2003 and Windows XP where

the Undo option was not working as expected.

* Addressed an issue in Excel 2010 where JAWS would speak the

tutor message each time an option in the Fill tab of the Format
Cells dialog
box was changed. This would occur even if Tutor Message was set to only
announce custom messages.

* Resolved an issue in Excel 2003 where the content of text boxes

was not being displayed in the Virtual Viewer. There were only blank lines
where the text in the box should have appeared.

* Improved how JAWS reads cell information when pressing ESC after

adding a comment.

* Resolved an issue where the current cell was not read after

pressing ESC to close the custom summary.

* When navigating the color controls in the Fill page of the

Format Cells dialog box, resolved an issue where JAWS was not properly
reading the selected color.

* Resolved an issue setting column and row titles in Quick

Settings.

Microsoft Internet Explorer

* Addressed an issue where JAWS would not indicate combo boxes on

certain Web pages when navigating with the Virtual Cursor.

* When selecting a same page link to move to a different location

on the current page, pressing ALT+LEFT ARROW to go back now returns you to
the link.

* Resolved an issue with using TAB to navigate buttons contained

inside Flash content.

* When you press ENTER on a link in the custom page summary, JAWS

now moves you to the correct location on the Web page.

* Resolved an issue where JAWS would get stuck on words containing

a left quote when navigating by word.

Microsoft Office

* Resolved issues navigating in Microsoft Office applications with

Tutor Messages set to Custom.

Microsoft Outlook

* JAWS is now much more responsive when navigating in the Inbox in

Outlook 2010.

* Navigation in the File menu in Outlook 2010 has been improved.

* Resolved a customer reported issue in Outlook 2003 where

pressing NUMPAD 5 twice quickly to speak the current character
phonetically
was not working in the subject field of an appointment.

* When pressing ALT+GRAVE to move to the message body and the

first line of the message contains a link, JAWS no longer activates the
link.

* Addressed an issue in Outlook 2007 and 2010 using TAB to

navigate to links in a read-only message.

* Resolved an issue of hearing a system ding while navigating

through messages in the Inbox. This occured if you had several consecutive
messages from the same address.

* Resolved an issue of hearing indentation information while

navigating through links in a read-only message in Outlook 2007 and 2010.

* If the edit combo box in the Find and Replace combo box contains

text from a previous search, addressed an issue where the contents of this
field were not being announced by JAWS when the dialog box opens.

* When navigating by paragraph in an Outlook 2007 or 2010 message,

JAWS no longer speaks the paragraph twice.

* Addressed a reported issue in the Outlook 2010 calendar where

the backstage view options were not being announced while navigating.

* When deleting consecutive messages from the same sender, or that

have the same subject, resolved an intermittent issue where JAWS would
sometimes not automatically read the next message in the list.

* Resolved an issue in the non-English version of Outlook where

JAWS would unexpectedly close while navigating the calendar
after setting an
appointment after 23:00.

Microsoft Word

* Updated the INSERT+F1 help message for the Quick Access tool bar

in Word 2007 and 2010.

* Resolved an issue where JAWS was not correctly reporting the

indentation level of the last line in a Word document.

* Resolved an issue where after clearing the Word check box in the

Manage Application Settings dialog box, JAWS would continue using any
setting changes made in Quick Settings instead of reverting to default
settings.

* Resolved an issue where margin information was being reported

differently depending on whether or not the cursor was in a table.

* The Include Demensions option in Quick Settings has been renamed

to Include Graphical Demensions to make it easier to find when doing a
search. This option only appears when Quick Settings is opened
from Word or
Outlook.

* Addressed an issue where page changes were not announced during

a Say All until you pressed ALT+TAB to move away and back to the document.
This only occured in Word 2007.

* JAWS no longer incorrectly announces indentation information

when encountering outdented text, such as in an outline.

* Resolved a customer reported issue with the New Lines and

Paragraphs Indication option in Quick Settings not changing
based on whether
paragraph marks are shown or not. When you enable or disable the
displaying
of paragraph marks in the Word Options dialog box, JAWS automatically sets
the New Lines and Paragraphs Indication setting accordingly.

* Addressed an issue where style changes were being announced

after enabling spelling detection from Quick Settings.

* Resolved an issue where Grammatical Error Detection was enabled

when turning off Spelling Error Detection in Quick Settings.

* Removed references to the Task Pane from the INSERT+F1 help

messages for the Quick Access and Status Bar toolbar controls.

* Resolved an issue with Quick Settings where changing Style

Changes to Always Announce was not turning off the Headings
Announce option.

* Resolved an issue with the Spanish version of JAWS where JAWS

messages containing accented characters were not read correctly in Word.

* If you have customized the dot pattern for the braille cursor,

addressed an issue where using Track Changes was changing it back to the
default setting.

* Pressing ALT+DELETE while in a table now provides more accurate

cursor position information.

* Resolved an issue in Word 2007 with JAWS not properly navigating

tables until you used ALT+TAB to move away and back to the document.

This occured when opening a document containing tables from Windows
Explorer.

* Resolved an issue where table navigation commands would no

longer work after typing text into a table cell.

Mozilla Firefox

* The page title is now shown on the braille display when pressing

INSERT+T even when you are positioned on a heading. Note that the

currently selected heading is included with the title
information. This was
also addressed in Internet Explorer.

* Toggling the Document Automatically Reads check box in Quick

Settings now works as expected. When this option is cleared, JAWS will not
automatically read the Web page after it loads.

Visual Studio

* Addressed an issue where you had to press ALT+TAB to move away

from the application and back to get focus into the output window after
starting a compile.

Windows 7

* Addressed an issue encountered after using ALT+TAB to move to

the Desktop where JAWS would not announce the count of the selected item,
for example, five of eight. Pressing INSERT+T would also not speak the
window title. This did not occur if WINDOWS Key+M was used to go to the
Desktop.

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Re: jfw update

Dave...
 

Curtis,

See if the update that will be pushed out tomorrow fixes that. They've done
a lot of repairs to things previously broken, and perhaps yours will be as
well.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 08:34
Subject: Re: jfw update


I just wish my JFW13 wouldn't read the line the cursor is on when
deleting messages in Eudora 7.1.0.9, even if that line says "blank."

annoying, after a while, in the extreme.
jfw12 and earlier did not do this.


At 03:07 PM 11/9/2011, you wrote:
* Resolved a long-standing issue where it was sometimes
necessary

to reboot the computer in order to use JAWS if the application unexpectedly
closed.


--

If they've actually got that one fixed I'm going to be very pleased.

On 11/9/11, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@...> wrote:
Whoops! He signed his name. Duh. But again, thanks for posting.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 3:08 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: jfw update

Interesting, and to FS's credit, that a number of these revisions
address
concerns raised on the list. Thanks for posting. This has the air of
Eric
Damery. Is the message from him?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 2:25 PM
To: jfw
Subject: jfw update

Got this from another list and decided to be thoughtful and post it
here.

All,

We are in the final stages of testing the first JAWS 13 update and plan
to
release next Monday. We have decided to offer early access to this
update
for those that want it prior to the Auto Update next week. If you are
interested, the instructions are below along with the list of changes
since
the DVD build 303 was posted.

Regards,

Eric Damery

JAWS 13 Sneak Preview

The next JAWS 13 hotfix is scheduled for November 14, 2011. If you would
like an early preview of the upcoming release, use the access code

370702 to download and install the update as described below. Note that
before attempting the update, you must have Internet access and JAWS
running.

Do the following to enter the access code.

1. Press INSERT+J to move focus to the JAWS window.

2. From the Help menu, choose About JAWS.

3. Choose the Special Update Code button, and then type 370702 in

the Special Update Code edit box.

4. Choose OK to close the current dialog box, and then OK again to

close the About JAWS dialog box.

5. Once this is done, just restart JAWS and the Auto Update will

prompt you to receive the new build, JAWS 13.0.527.

Enhancements and Improvements in JAWS 13

This page describes all improvements made from the first public
beta release
to the current JAWS 13 release. To download the latest release, visit
the
JAWS Downloads Web page
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-downloads.a .>
Enhancements in JAWS 13.0.527 (November 2011)

* Resolved an issue encountered on some systems when updating

authorization to JAWS 13. After updating authorization, you may need to
restart JAWS in order for it to take affect.

* Resolved a long-standing issue where it was sometimes necessary

to reboot the computer in order to use JAWS if the application
unexpectedly
closed.

* Resolved an issue where the braille cursor was not positioned as

expected in edit fields when using Structured Mode.

* The Primary and Secondary language for Convenient OCR can now be

changed through Quick Settings (INSERT+V).

* Documentation is now available describing the latest

improvements in the JAWS scripting language. For more
information, visit the
Enhancements in Scripting
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/documentation/scripts/scripting-info.a>
Web page.

* If more than one command prompt window is open, addressed an

issue where JAWS would continue reading text from one command prompt
window
even after changing focus to the other.

* Resolved an issue with Contracted English Braille translation

where the number sign was not appearing directly before the number if
the
number was proceeded by a quote and a comma.

* If the Results Viewer and Virtual Viewer are open at the same

time, resolved an issue where pressing ESC would close both viewers.

* Addressed an issue where JAWS was not playing a sound to

identify checked items in some dialog boxes even if the current speech
and
sounds scheme was configured to do so.

* Resolved an issue turning off the "read only" announcement in a

speech and sounds scheme.

* If you are using a braille display, JAWS no longer goes into

Line Mode when renaming a file or folder.

* In applications where JAWS can announce indented text, resolved

an issue where JAWS was not speaking indentation information when using
the
Say Line command (INSERT+UP ARROW).

* Pressing ALT+UP ARROW in the help text in Settings Center and

Quick Settings now reads the prior sentence.

* Resolved an issue with PAC Mate Desktop not starting correctly.

* The Study Mode option is now only available if you are using a

braille display that has a double row of cursor router and navrow
buttons,
such as the PAC Mate Portable Braille Display, or the Focus 40, Focus
80,
and Focus 40 Blue braille displays. Study Mode is located under Braille
Options in Quick Settings.

* The Current Word Expand option is now only available in Quick

Settings when contracted braille translation is set to Output only.

* In the Startup Wizard, the Enable Flash Messages check box and

Contracted Braille Translation combo box now have INSERT+F1 help.

* Addressed issues that could occur when installing JAWS 13 while

JAWS 12 and MAGic 11 are currently running.

* Resolved an issue where nothing is heard when navigating to a

visited link and the current speech and sounds scheme is configured to
play
a sound.

JAWS Research It

* Resolved an issue where the Results Viewer was blank if Research

It did not find any results for a search. A message is now displayed if
no
results are found.

* The NCAA lookup source now returns all division 1-A scores and

schedules. Previously, only the top 25 was displayed. In addition, if
you
search for a particular team, both division 1-A and 1-AA are searched.

* Addressed issues with the Weather lookup source when checking

the weather for international locations.

Adobe Acrobat

* Resolved an issue with JAWS not announcing edit combo boxes in

certain PDF documents while navigating with the ARROW keys.

Eclipse

* Addressed an issue where Eclipse would unexpectedly close when

opening and closing the menu.

Microsoft Excel

* When you press an access key in the spell checker to move to the

next error, JAWS no longer speaks the access key you just pressed while
reading the current error.

* Addressed a reported issue in Excel 2003 and Windows XP where

the Undo option was not working as expected.

* Addressed an issue in Excel 2010 where JAWS would speak the

tutor message each time an option in the Fill tab of the Format
Cells dialog
box was changed. This would occur even if Tutor Message was set to only
announce custom messages.

* Resolved an issue in Excel 2003 where the content of text boxes

was not being displayed in the Virtual Viewer. There were only blank
lines
where the text in the box should have appeared.

* Improved how JAWS reads cell information when pressing ESC after

adding a comment.

* Resolved an issue where the current cell was not read after

pressing ESC to close the custom summary.

* When navigating the color controls in the Fill page of the

Format Cells dialog box, resolved an issue where JAWS was not properly
reading the selected color.

* Resolved an issue setting column and row titles in Quick

Settings.

Microsoft Internet Explorer

* Addressed an issue where JAWS would not indicate combo boxes on

certain Web pages when navigating with the Virtual Cursor.

* When selecting a same page link to move to a different location

on the current page, pressing ALT+LEFT ARROW to go back now returns you
to
the link.

* Resolved an issue with using TAB to navigate buttons contained

inside Flash content.

* When you press ENTER on a link in the custom page summary, JAWS

now moves you to the correct location on the Web page.

* Resolved an issue where JAWS would get stuck on words containing

a left quote when navigating by word.

Microsoft Office

* Resolved issues navigating in Microsoft Office applications with

Tutor Messages set to Custom.

Microsoft Outlook

* JAWS is now much more responsive when navigating in the Inbox in

Outlook 2010.

* Navigation in the File menu in Outlook 2010 has been improved.

* Resolved a customer reported issue in Outlook 2003 where

pressing NUMPAD 5 twice quickly to speak the current character
phonetically
was not working in the subject field of an appointment.

* When pressing ALT+GRAVE to move to the message body and the

first line of the message contains a link, JAWS no longer activates the
link.

* Addressed an issue in Outlook 2007 and 2010 using TAB to

navigate to links in a read-only message.

* Resolved an issue of hearing a system ding while navigating

through messages in the Inbox. This occured if you had several
consecutive
messages from the same address.

* Resolved an issue of hearing indentation information while

navigating through links in a read-only message in Outlook 2007 and
2010.

* If the edit combo box in the Find and Replace combo box contains

text from a previous search, addressed an issue where the contents of
this
field were not being announced by JAWS when the dialog box opens.

* When navigating by paragraph in an Outlook 2007 or 2010 message,

JAWS no longer speaks the paragraph twice.

* Addressed a reported issue in the Outlook 2010 calendar where

the backstage view options were not being announced while navigating.

* When deleting consecutive messages from the same sender, or that

have the same subject, resolved an intermittent issue where JAWS would
sometimes not automatically read the next message in the list.

* Resolved an issue in the non-English version of Outlook where

JAWS would unexpectedly close while navigating the calendar after
setting an
appointment after 23:00.

Microsoft Word

* Updated the INSERT+F1 help message for the Quick Access tool bar

in Word 2007 and 2010.

* Resolved an issue where JAWS was not correctly reporting the

indentation level of the last line in a Word document.

* Resolved an issue where after clearing the Word check box in the

Manage Application Settings dialog box, JAWS would continue using any
setting changes made in Quick Settings instead of reverting to default
settings.

* Resolved an issue where margin information was being reported

differently depending on whether or not the cursor was in a table.

* The Include Demensions option in Quick Settings has been renamed

to Include Graphical Demensions to make it easier to find when doing a
search. This option only appears when Quick Settings is opened from Word
or
Outlook.

* Addressed an issue where page changes were not announced during

a Say All until you pressed ALT+TAB to move away and back to the
document.
This only occured in Word 2007.

* JAWS no longer incorrectly announces indentation information

when encountering outdented text, such as in an outline.

* Resolved a customer reported issue with the New Lines and

Paragraphs Indication option in Quick Settings not changing based
on whether
paragraph marks are shown or not. When you enable or disable the
displaying
of paragraph marks in the Word Options dialog box, JAWS automatically
sets
the New Lines and Paragraphs Indication setting accordingly.

* Addressed an issue where style changes were being announced

after enabling spelling detection from Quick Settings.

* Resolved an issue where Grammatical Error Detection was enabled

when turning off Spelling Error Detection in Quick Settings.

* Removed references to the Task Pane from the INSERT+F1 help

messages for the Quick Access and Status Bar toolbar controls.

* Resolved an issue with Quick Settings where changing Style

Changes to Always Announce was not turning off the Headings
Announce option.

* Resolved an issue with the Spanish version of JAWS where JAWS

messages containing accented characters were not read correctly in Word.

* If you have customized the dot pattern for the braille cursor,

addressed an issue where using Track Changes was changing it back to the
default setting.

* Pressing ALT+DELETE while in a table now provides more accurate

cursor position information.

* Resolved an issue in Word 2007 with JAWS not properly navigating

tables until you used ALT+TAB to move away and back to the document.

This occured when opening a document containing tables from Windows
Explorer.

* Resolved an issue where table navigation commands would no

longer work after typing text into a table cell.

Mozilla Firefox

* The page title is now shown on the braille display when pressing

INSERT+T even when you are positioned on a heading. Note that the

currently selected heading is included with the title information. This
was
also addressed in Internet Explorer.

* Toggling the Document Automatically Reads check box in Quick

Settings now works as expected. When this option is cleared, JAWS will
not
automatically read the Web page after it loads.

Visual Studio

* Addressed an issue where you had to press ALT+TAB to move away

from the application and back to get focus into the output window after
starting a compile.

Windows 7

* Addressed an issue encountered after using ALT+TAB to move to

the Desktop where JAWS would not announce the count of the selected
item,
for example, five of eight. Pressing INSERT+T would also not speak the
window title. This did not occur if WINDOWS Key+M was used to go to the
Desktop.

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Re: jfw update

Curtis Delzer
 

I just wish my JFW13 wouldn't read the line the cursor is on when deleting messages in Eudora 7.1.0.9, even if that line says "blank."

annoying, after a while, in the extreme.
jfw12 and earlier did not do this.


At 03:07 PM 11/9/2011, you wrote:
* Resolved a long-standing issue where it was sometimes
necessary

to reboot the computer in order to use JAWS if the application unexpectedly
closed.


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If they've actually got that one fixed I'm going to be very pleased.

On 11/9/11, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@...> wrote:
Whoops! He signed his name. Duh. But again, thanks for posting.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 3:08 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: jfw update

Interesting, and to FS's credit, that a number of these revisions address
concerns raised on the list. Thanks for posting. This has the air of Eric
Damery. Is the message from him?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 2:25 PM
To: jfw
Subject: jfw update

Got this from another list and decided to be thoughtful and post it here.

All,

We are in the final stages of testing the first JAWS 13 update and plan to
release next Monday. We have decided to offer early access to this update
for those that want it prior to the Auto Update next week. If you are
interested, the instructions are below along with the list of changes since
the DVD build 303 was posted.

Regards,

Eric Damery

JAWS 13 Sneak Preview

The next JAWS 13 hotfix is scheduled for November 14, 2011. If you would
like an early preview of the upcoming release, use the access code

370702 to download and install the update as described below. Note that
before attempting the update, you must have Internet access and JAWS
running.

Do the following to enter the access code.

1. Press INSERT+J to move focus to the JAWS window.

2. From the Help menu, choose About JAWS.

3. Choose the Special Update Code button, and then type 370702 in

the Special Update Code edit box.

4. Choose OK to close the current dialog box, and then OK again to

close the About JAWS dialog box.

5. Once this is done, just restart JAWS and the Auto Update will

prompt you to receive the new build, JAWS 13.0.527.

Enhancements and Improvements in JAWS 13

This page describes all improvements made from the first public
beta release
to the current JAWS 13 release. To download the latest release, visit the
JAWS Downloads Web page
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-downloads.a .>
Enhancements in JAWS 13.0.527 (November 2011)

* Resolved an issue encountered on some systems when updating

authorization to JAWS 13. After updating authorization, you may need to
restart JAWS in order for it to take affect.

* Resolved a long-standing issue where it was sometimes necessary

to reboot the computer in order to use JAWS if the application unexpectedly
closed.

* Resolved an issue where the braille cursor was not positioned as

expected in edit fields when using Structured Mode.

* The Primary and Secondary language for Convenient OCR can now be

changed through Quick Settings (INSERT+V).

* Documentation is now available describing the latest

improvements in the JAWS scripting language. For more
information, visit the
Enhancements in Scripting
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/documentation/scripts/scripting-info.a>
Web page.

* If more than one command prompt window is open, addressed an

issue where JAWS would continue reading text from one command prompt window
even after changing focus to the other.

* Resolved an issue with Contracted English Braille translation

where the number sign was not appearing directly before the number if the
number was proceeded by a quote and a comma.

* If the Results Viewer and Virtual Viewer are open at the same

time, resolved an issue where pressing ESC would close both viewers.

* Addressed an issue where JAWS was not playing a sound to

identify checked items in some dialog boxes even if the current speech and
sounds scheme was configured to do so.

* Resolved an issue turning off the "read only" announcement in a

speech and sounds scheme.

* If you are using a braille display, JAWS no longer goes into

Line Mode when renaming a file or folder.

* In applications where JAWS can announce indented text, resolved

an issue where JAWS was not speaking indentation information when using the
Say Line command (INSERT+UP ARROW).

* Pressing ALT+UP ARROW in the help text in Settings Center and

Quick Settings now reads the prior sentence.

* Resolved an issue with PAC Mate Desktop not starting correctly.

* The Study Mode option is now only available if you are using a

braille display that has a double row of cursor router and navrow buttons,
such as the PAC Mate Portable Braille Display, or the Focus 40, Focus 80,
and Focus 40 Blue braille displays. Study Mode is located under Braille
Options in Quick Settings.

* The Current Word Expand option is now only available in Quick

Settings when contracted braille translation is set to Output only.

* In the Startup Wizard, the Enable Flash Messages check box and

Contracted Braille Translation combo box now have INSERT+F1 help.

* Addressed issues that could occur when installing JAWS 13 while

JAWS 12 and MAGic 11 are currently running.

* Resolved an issue where nothing is heard when navigating to a

visited link and the current speech and sounds scheme is configured to play
a sound.

JAWS Research It

* Resolved an issue where the Results Viewer was blank if Research

It did not find any results for a search. A message is now displayed if no
results are found.

* The NCAA lookup source now returns all division 1-A scores and

schedules. Previously, only the top 25 was displayed. In addition, if you
search for a particular team, both division 1-A and 1-AA are searched.

* Addressed issues with the Weather lookup source when checking

the weather for international locations.

Adobe Acrobat

* Resolved an issue with JAWS not announcing edit combo boxes in

certain PDF documents while navigating with the ARROW keys.

Eclipse

* Addressed an issue where Eclipse would unexpectedly close when

opening and closing the menu.

Microsoft Excel

* When you press an access key in the spell checker to move to the

next error, JAWS no longer speaks the access key you just pressed while
reading the current error.

* Addressed a reported issue in Excel 2003 and Windows XP where

the Undo option was not working as expected.

* Addressed an issue in Excel 2010 where JAWS would speak the

tutor message each time an option in the Fill tab of the Format
Cells dialog
box was changed. This would occur even if Tutor Message was set to only
announce custom messages.

* Resolved an issue in Excel 2003 where the content of text boxes

was not being displayed in the Virtual Viewer. There were only blank lines
where the text in the box should have appeared.

* Improved how JAWS reads cell information when pressing ESC after

adding a comment.

* Resolved an issue where the current cell was not read after

pressing ESC to close the custom summary.

* When navigating the color controls in the Fill page of the

Format Cells dialog box, resolved an issue where JAWS was not properly
reading the selected color.

* Resolved an issue setting column and row titles in Quick

Settings.

Microsoft Internet Explorer

* Addressed an issue where JAWS would not indicate combo boxes on

certain Web pages when navigating with the Virtual Cursor.

* When selecting a same page link to move to a different location

on the current page, pressing ALT+LEFT ARROW to go back now returns you to
the link.

* Resolved an issue with using TAB to navigate buttons contained

inside Flash content.

* When you press ENTER on a link in the custom page summary, JAWS

now moves you to the correct location on the Web page.

* Resolved an issue where JAWS would get stuck on words containing

a left quote when navigating by word.

Microsoft Office

* Resolved issues navigating in Microsoft Office applications with

Tutor Messages set to Custom.

Microsoft Outlook

* JAWS is now much more responsive when navigating in the Inbox in

Outlook 2010.

* Navigation in the File menu in Outlook 2010 has been improved.

* Resolved a customer reported issue in Outlook 2003 where

pressing NUMPAD 5 twice quickly to speak the current character phonetically
was not working in the subject field of an appointment.

* When pressing ALT+GRAVE to move to the message body and the

first line of the message contains a link, JAWS no longer activates the
link.

* Addressed an issue in Outlook 2007 and 2010 using TAB to

navigate to links in a read-only message.

* Resolved an issue of hearing a system ding while navigating

through messages in the Inbox. This occured if you had several consecutive
messages from the same address.

* Resolved an issue of hearing indentation information while

navigating through links in a read-only message in Outlook 2007 and 2010.

* If the edit combo box in the Find and Replace combo box contains

text from a previous search, addressed an issue where the contents of this
field were not being announced by JAWS when the dialog box opens.

* When navigating by paragraph in an Outlook 2007 or 2010 message,

JAWS no longer speaks the paragraph twice.

* Addressed a reported issue in the Outlook 2010 calendar where

the backstage view options were not being announced while navigating.

* When deleting consecutive messages from the same sender, or that

have the same subject, resolved an intermittent issue where JAWS would
sometimes not automatically read the next message in the list.

* Resolved an issue in the non-English version of Outlook where

JAWS would unexpectedly close while navigating the calendar after
setting an
appointment after 23:00.

Microsoft Word

* Updated the INSERT+F1 help message for the Quick Access tool bar

in Word 2007 and 2010.

* Resolved an issue where JAWS was not correctly reporting the

indentation level of the last line in a Word document.

* Resolved an issue where after clearing the Word check box in the

Manage Application Settings dialog box, JAWS would continue using any
setting changes made in Quick Settings instead of reverting to default
settings.

* Resolved an issue where margin information was being reported

differently depending on whether or not the cursor was in a table.

* The Include Demensions option in Quick Settings has been renamed

to Include Graphical Demensions to make it easier to find when doing a
search. This option only appears when Quick Settings is opened from Word or
Outlook.

* Addressed an issue where page changes were not announced during

a Say All until you pressed ALT+TAB to move away and back to the document.
This only occured in Word 2007.

* JAWS no longer incorrectly announces indentation information

when encountering outdented text, such as in an outline.

* Resolved a customer reported issue with the New Lines and

Paragraphs Indication option in Quick Settings not changing based
on whether
paragraph marks are shown or not. When you enable or disable the displaying
of paragraph marks in the Word Options dialog box, JAWS automatically sets
the New Lines and Paragraphs Indication setting accordingly.

* Addressed an issue where style changes were being announced

after enabling spelling detection from Quick Settings.

* Resolved an issue where Grammatical Error Detection was enabled

when turning off Spelling Error Detection in Quick Settings.

* Removed references to the Task Pane from the INSERT+F1 help

messages for the Quick Access and Status Bar toolbar controls.

* Resolved an issue with Quick Settings where changing Style

Changes to Always Announce was not turning off the Headings
Announce option.

* Resolved an issue with the Spanish version of JAWS where JAWS

messages containing accented characters were not read correctly in Word.

* If you have customized the dot pattern for the braille cursor,

addressed an issue where using Track Changes was changing it back to the
default setting.

* Pressing ALT+DELETE while in a table now provides more accurate

cursor position information.

* Resolved an issue in Word 2007 with JAWS not properly navigating

tables until you used ALT+TAB to move away and back to the document.

This occured when opening a document containing tables from Windows
Explorer.

* Resolved an issue where table navigation commands would no

longer work after typing text into a table cell.

Mozilla Firefox

* The page title is now shown on the braille display when pressing

INSERT+T even when you are positioned on a heading. Note that the

currently selected heading is included with the title information. This was
also addressed in Internet Explorer.

* Toggling the Document Automatically Reads check box in Quick

Settings now works as expected. When this option is cleared, JAWS will not
automatically read the Web page after it loads.

Visual Studio

* Addressed an issue where you had to press ALT+TAB to move away

from the application and back to get focus into the output window after
starting a compile.

Windows 7

* Addressed an issue encountered after using ALT+TAB to move to

the Desktop where JAWS would not announce the count of the selected item,
for example, five of eight. Pressing INSERT+T would also not speak the
window title. This did not occur if WINDOWS Key+M was used to go to the
Desktop.

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:

http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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Re: Mouse Over

Dave Mitchell
 

Thank you Matthew. Again you make perfect sense and, as I grow older, I need to guard against resistance to change but, at times, I am clearly losing some battles. Mitch
If the wind will not serve, take to the oars. Latin Proverb

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Horspool" <mhorspool@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:25 AM
Subject: RE: Mouse Over


Hi Mich,

I agree that the new 'Settings Centre' is a very different approach and it
will take people some time to learn their way around it. However, this
particular process was equally as complex in earlier versions of JAWS. The
only real difference was that, instead of using the search box to find
'Modify Schemes...', you'd need to press ALT+S for 'Set Options', then M (I
think, anyway) for 'Speech & Sounds Manager'. The rest of the steps would
be near enough identical.

The one thing which I really do value about the new utility is that it
remembers the last few settings that you've changed. This is particularly
useful in a tech support environment where a user has somehow broken their
JAWS, but they don't know how: it's now very easy to check what settings
they might have changed to introduce the problem - and, indeed, if they
haven't changed anything, you can surmise that the problem is most likely
somewhere else in the system.

Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: 13 November 2011 12:11
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Mouse Over

Thank you Matthew for your detailed and instructive steps for solving this
specific problem.
For me, this confirms my observation that the new Settings Center is a
giant step backwards.
I am an average but long time JAWS user and, rhetorically, I ask how any
casual user of the increasingly complex powerhouse of JAWS 13 is to learn
these kind of commands. It's early here so I hope some of you understand my
lament. Mitch


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Re: Mouse Over

Adrian Spratt
 

Matthew, thank you for this extremely helpful explanation. I will now have
to undo the setting I described and follow your steps.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 9:36 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Mouse Over

Hi Adrian,

The 'Indicate Element Attribute' checkbox silences all HTML attributes
listed in the Speech & Sounds Manager, HTML Attributes tab. Until recently
this was basically OnMouseOver, Clickable and long descriptions for
graphics, so no, you probably wouldn't have noticed much loss of
functionality.

Newer versions of JAWS (sorry can't give a specific version number) have
started to introduce support for WAI ARIA, which has to do with more complex
web apps. This introduces a number of other attributes which indicate, for
example, whether a control has a pop-up menu associated with it, or whether
you are required to enter text into an edit box. Disabling the 'Indicate
Element Attribute' checkbox will also silence some of this new WAI ARIA
information. Not all sites use this type of mark-up yet, so you still might
not notice much difference at this stage, but we'll start to see more of it
as HTML 5 and other interactive technologies evolve.

Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: 13 November 2011 13:11
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Mouse Over

Mitch,

The method Matthew and Soronel recommend has the virtue of enabling a user
to specify only mouseover as the element to be ignored. The method I posted
silences a range of so-called elements. However, I have worked for years
with mouseover switched off in this latter method and haven't noticed any
other loss of JAWS function. I'd be interested if anyone could post
important elements, or attributes, that I lose this way.

The method Matthew nicely explains is indeed complicated, but I'd keep two
points in mind. First, you couldn't target mouseover alone before FS
introduced the speech and sounds manager. Second, FS firmly believes that
mouseover is information JAWS uses should have, which is why the default is
"on." A third point, perhaps, is that this is a fairly obscure JAWS
function, hence its obscure location within the JAWS menus.


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Re: Mouse Over

Dave...
 

Mitch,

Agree. Settings Center is more complicated than it needs to be. We've gone
from a menu-based Configuration Manager in JAWS 9 to the tree view in JAWS
10 to the Settings Center in JAWS 12, to the "improved" Options dialog in
JAWS 13.

For those of us who use these settings on a fairly regular basis, it's not
too bad after we get used to the interface, but it sure does make it hard
when they expect a novice to type the correct word in the search field.
Alternative does exist by arrowing down into the tree view, and if you press
F6 in the tree view, you are placed into a series of pages similar to the
old configuration manager style.

Just make sure to F6 out again to the tree view to accept the changes.

Yes, FS is definitely twiddling their thumbs over there,messing with
configuration control and ResearchIt. Wish they would just fix the speech
and sounds manager section -- it's a mess, and the voices do not change
while you're modifying them, so you need to guess, save, and test. A pain.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Mitchell" <mitch@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 04:10
Subject: Re: Mouse Over


Thank you Matthew for your detailed and instructive steps for solving this
specific problem.
For me, this confirms my observation that the new Settings Center is a
giant step backwards.
I am an average but long time JAWS user and, rhetorically, I ask how any
casual user of the increasingly complex powerhouse of JAWS 13 is to learn
these kind of commands. It's early here so I hope some of you understand my
lament. Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Horspool" <mhorspool@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 2:44 AM
Subject: RE: Mouse Over


Hi,

Lois Goodine wrote: "Since I installed Jaws 13, I can't get rid of mouse
over, on websites. I don't use it and am having difficulty getting it
ignored by Jaws."

The most effective way of doing this without interfering with anything
else
is to disable the speaking of OnMouseOvers in the Speech & Sounds Manager
for the currently active scheme. Here's how:

1. Press JAWSKey+6 to invoke the 'Settings Centre'.

2. Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to load the 'Default' file.

3. The 'Search' box will have focus. Type "modify" (without the quotes)
and
wait a few seconds.

4. Press DownArrow once. JAWS should announce that you are on 'Modify
Schemes...'

5. Press the SPACEBAR.

6. You will now be presented with a dialog prompting you to select the
scheme you wish to modify. The currently active scheme will be selected
by
default. Press ALT+E for the 'Edit Selected Scheme' button.

7. Press CTRL+TAB eight times to land on the 'HTML Attributes' page.

8. You should be on a list of attributes. Press O twice to move to
'OnMouseOver'.

9. Press ALT+I to move to, and check, the 'Ignore' radio button.

10. Press ENTER four times to confirm your changes, answering 'Yes' to any
dialog boxes which appear.

11. Press ALT+F4 to exit the 'Settings Centre'.

12. You should be asked if you wish to save your changes - answer 'Yes'.

Hope this helps,
Matthew


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Re: Mouse Over

Matthew Horspool <mhorspool@...>
 

Hi Adrian,

The 'Indicate Element Attribute' checkbox silences all HTML attributes
listed in the Speech & Sounds Manager, HTML Attributes tab. Until recently
this was basically OnMouseOver, Clickable and long descriptions for
graphics, so no, you probably wouldn't have noticed much loss of
functionality.

Newer versions of JAWS (sorry can't give a specific version number) have
started to introduce support for WAI ARIA, which has to do with more complex
web apps. This introduces a number of other attributes which indicate, for
example, whether a control has a pop-up menu associated with it, or whether
you are required to enter text into an edit box. Disabling the 'Indicate
Element Attribute' checkbox will also silence some of this new WAI ARIA
information. Not all sites use this type of mark-up yet, so you still might
not notice much difference at this stage, but we'll start to see more of it
as HTML 5 and other interactive technologies evolve.

Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: 13 November 2011 13:11
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Mouse Over

Mitch,

The method Matthew and Soronel recommend has the virtue of enabling a user
to specify only mouseover as the element to be ignored. The method I posted
silences a range of so-called elements. However, I have worked for years
with mouseover switched off in this latter method and haven't noticed any
other loss of JAWS function. I'd be interested if anyone could post
important elements, or attributes, that I lose this way.

The method Matthew nicely explains is indeed complicated, but I'd keep two
points in mind. First, you couldn't target mouseover alone before FS
introduced the speech and sounds manager. Second, FS firmly believes that
mouseover is information JAWS uses should have, which is why the default is
"on." A third point, perhaps, is that this is a fairly obscure JAWS
function, hence its obscure location within the JAWS menus.


Re: Mouse Over

Matthew Horspool <mhorspool@...>
 

Hi Mich,

I agree that the new 'Settings Centre' is a very different approach and it
will take people some time to learn their way around it. However, this
particular process was equally as complex in earlier versions of JAWS. The
only real difference was that, instead of using the search box to find
'Modify Schemes...', you'd need to press ALT+S for 'Set Options', then M (I
think, anyway) for 'Speech & Sounds Manager'. The rest of the steps would
be near enough identical.

The one thing which I really do value about the new utility is that it
remembers the last few settings that you've changed. This is particularly
useful in a tech support environment where a user has somehow broken their
JAWS, but they don't know how: it's now very easy to check what settings
they might have changed to introduce the problem - and, indeed, if they
haven't changed anything, you can surmise that the problem is most likely
somewhere else in the system.

Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: 13 November 2011 12:11
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Mouse Over

Thank you Matthew for your detailed and instructive steps for solving this
specific problem.
For me, this confirms my observation that the new Settings Center is a
giant step backwards.
I am an average but long time JAWS user and, rhetorically, I ask how any
casual user of the increasingly complex powerhouse of JAWS 13 is to learn
these kind of commands. It's early here so I hope some of you understand my
lament. Mitch