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Re: Jaws 12 with a remote controller

Gary King
 

Tracy,
You might ask them if it's possible to get a copy of the control software in advance so that you can check it out with JAWS. Of course, without the thermostat's network interface module for it to access, you may not be able to get enough information from the program to see how it works. If the program is written in standard html like those programs that control many of the routers, it should work well with JAWS. If it's just a screen full of graphics, you would be out of luck.

Gary King
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----- Original Message -----
From: "TeddyBear" <teddybear25@...>
To: "JFW" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 5:43 PM
Subject: Jaws 12 with a remote controller


Good evening list:

Does anyone know if the Bryant remote controller to program a thermostat is accessible with Jaws 12?
I have tried asking the company, but they don't know about Jaws or how it works. I don't want to spend the extra money to purchase this controller if it's not going to work with Jaws.

thanks

Tracy


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Re: Accessing contacts for the to-line?

Dave...
 

Ed,

Pretty neat. I never knew quite how to navigate that dialog -- it was always
so busy. Good that we can use it to enter multiple non-contiguous names.
I'll bet it also works that way in the calendar when setting up a meeting.

Thanks!

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 16:41
Subject: RE: Accessing contacts for the to-line?


Not sure this works in Outlook 2007 or 2010, but Alt plus . (that is the
period) will bring up your contacts.
Navigate to the name or names and hit ENTER. This just "selects" them.
That way, you can send to any number of people, whether or not contiguous in
the contacts list.
Then shift tab three times to OK; press ENTER; and they will be filled in
the "TO" field.
Use Alt plus C for the CC field, and Alt plus B for the BCC field.
If this has already been mentioned, I apologize. I'm a bit late to this
party.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:24 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Accessing contacts for the to-line?

I use Alt-k to finish out the address, but I'm not sure that's what you're
needing.

At my work, typing either the email address directly, or the first name,
space, last name will auto-complete to any in our directory that match. This
is Outlook 2007.

For any addresses I've added to my Outlook contacts, their actual names will
show, and not the email address. However if I've added a contact simply by
the email, then the only thing that shows is the email.

There is an edit field right after the email field that you can use to
define what shows in the TO: field, by typing either the email or the actual
name as displayed.

I mis-stated in my previous post about the combo box in that dialog. You can
select variants of their name and business, but this is for how you want
them sorted in the contacts list, not for what will show in the TO: box.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann byrne" <annakb@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 15:47
Subject: RE: Accessing contacts for the to-line?


I used shift-control-b to get to the address book, and arrowed down
to the name I wanted. I pressed enter, but it didn't transfer the
name to the email. Eventually I typed the address, and when I
received mail from the person her name appeared in the to-line as
soon as I started typing it.

This is at work, where things may be set up strangely. What I need
to know how to do is to show my student. If he types a name and
nothing happens, but we know the address is in contacts, how do we
get to the address? I'm a eudora user, so this is not familiar to me.

thanks for the help.

Ann

At 03:15 PM 10/19/2011, you wrote:
Hello Ann;

Not sure how you have your contacts listed,

However, when I go to the BCC field,
And type a name, I hear, person's name along with the email address.
So, I guess, it would depend on how the contact information was applied to
the contacts list.



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Accessing contacts for the to-line?

Ann,

I think if you add them to your contacts, and then edit the contacts,
you'll

find a field where you can define the name that's displayed in the TO:
field.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Byrne" <annakb@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:49
Subject: Accessing contacts for the to-line?


In Outlook 2010, on the to-line, how do I get to contacts to put in a
name???

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Re: Accessing contacts for the to-line?

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Not sure this works in Outlook 2007 or 2010, but Alt plus . (that is the period) will bring up your contacts.
Navigate to the name or names and hit ENTER. This just "selects" them. That way, you can send to any number of people, whether or not contiguous in the contacts list.
Then shift tab three times to OK; press ENTER; and they will be filled in the "TO" field.
Use Alt plus C for the CC field, and Alt plus B for the BCC field.
If this has already been mentioned, I apologize. I'm a bit late to this party.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:24 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Accessing contacts for the to-line?

I use Alt-k to finish out the address, but I'm not sure that's what you're
needing.

At my work, typing either the email address directly, or the first name,
space, last name will auto-complete to any in our directory that match. This
is Outlook 2007.

For any addresses I've added to my Outlook contacts, their actual names will
show, and not the email address. However if I've added a contact simply by
the email, then the only thing that shows is the email.

There is an edit field right after the email field that you can use to
define what shows in the TO: field, by typing either the email or the actual
name as displayed.

I mis-stated in my previous post about the combo box in that dialog. You can
select variants of their name and business, but this is for how you want
them sorted in the contacts list, not for what will show in the TO: box.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann byrne" <annakb@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 15:47
Subject: RE: Accessing contacts for the to-line?


I used shift-control-b to get to the address book, and arrowed down
to the name I wanted. I pressed enter, but it didn't transfer the
name to the email. Eventually I typed the address, and when I
received mail from the person her name appeared in the to-line as
soon as I started typing it.

This is at work, where things may be set up strangely. What I need
to know how to do is to show my student. If he types a name and
nothing happens, but we know the address is in contacts, how do we
get to the address? I'm a eudora user, so this is not familiar to me.

thanks for the help.

Ann

At 03:15 PM 10/19/2011, you wrote:
Hello Ann;

Not sure how you have your contacts listed,

However, when I go to the BCC field,
And type a name, I hear, person's name along with the email address.
So, I guess, it would depend on how the contact information was applied to
the contacts list.



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Accessing contacts for the to-line?

Ann,

I think if you add them to your contacts, and then edit the contacts,
you'll

find a field where you can define the name that's displayed in the TO:
field.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Byrne" <annakb@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:49
Subject: Accessing contacts for the to-line?


In Outlook 2010, on the to-line, how do I get to contacts to put in a
name???

thanks,


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Re: Jaws 12 with a remote controller

Dave...
 

Tracy,

that's a tough one. I'm not surprised that the company had nothing to offer,
since their exposure to the overall computer community is much smaller than
for example Adobe.

Any way you can purchase it with a money-back guarantee, to allow you time
to try it out?

Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "TeddyBear" <teddybear25@...>
To: "JFW" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 15:43
Subject: Jaws 12 with a remote controller


Good evening list:

Does anyone know if the Bryant remote controller to program a thermostat is
accessible with Jaws 12?
I have tried asking the company, but they don't know about Jaws or how it
works. I don't want to spend the extra money to purchase this controller if
it's not going to work with Jaws.

thanks

Tracy


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Re: Accessing contacts for the to-line?

Dave...
 

I use Alt-k to finish out the address, but I'm not sure that's what you're
needing.

At my work, typing either the email address directly, or the first name,
space, last name will auto-complete to any in our directory that match. This
is Outlook 2007.

For any addresses I've added to my Outlook contacts, their actual names will
show, and not the email address. However if I've added a contact simply by
the email, then the only thing that shows is the email.

There is an edit field right after the email field that you can use to
define what shows in the TO: field, by typing either the email or the actual
name as displayed.

I mis-stated in my previous post about the combo box in that dialog. You can
select variants of their name and business, but this is for how you want
them sorted in the contacts list, not for what will show in the TO: box.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann byrne" <annakb@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 15:47
Subject: RE: Accessing contacts for the to-line?


I used shift-control-b to get to the address book, and arrowed down
to the name I wanted. I pressed enter, but it didn't transfer the
name to the email. Eventually I typed the address, and when I
received mail from the person her name appeared in the to-line as
soon as I started typing it.

This is at work, where things may be set up strangely. What I need
to know how to do is to show my student. If he types a name and
nothing happens, but we know the address is in contacts, how do we
get to the address? I'm a eudora user, so this is not familiar to me.

thanks for the help.

Ann

At 03:15 PM 10/19/2011, you wrote:
Hello Ann;

Not sure how you have your contacts listed,

However, when I go to the BCC field,
And type a name, I hear, person's name along with the email address.
So, I guess, it would depend on how the contact information was applied to
the contacts list.



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Accessing contacts for the to-line?

Ann,

I think if you add them to your contacts, and then edit the contacts,
you'll

find a field where you can define the name that's displayed in the TO:
field.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Byrne" <annakb@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:49
Subject: Accessing contacts for the to-line?


In Outlook 2010, on the to-line, how do I get to contacts to put in a
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Re: Accessing contacts for the to-line?

Ann Byrne
 

I used shift-control-b to get to the address book, and arrowed down to the name I wanted. I pressed enter, but it didn't transfer the name to the email. Eventually I typed the address, and when I received mail from the person her name appeared in the to-line as soon as I started typing it.

This is at work, where things may be set up strangely. What I need to know how to do is to show my student. If he types a name and nothing happens, but we know the address is in contacts, how do we get to the address? I'm a eudora user, so this is not familiar to me.

thanks for the help.

Ann

At 03:15 PM 10/19/2011, you wrote:
Hello Ann;

Not sure how you have your contacts listed,

However, when I go to the BCC field,
And type a name, I hear, person's name along with the email address.
So, I guess, it would depend on how the contact information was applied to
the contacts list.



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Accessing contacts for the to-line?

Ann,

I think if you add them to your contacts, and then edit the contacts, you'll

find a field where you can define the name that's displayed in the TO:
field.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Byrne" <annakb@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:49
Subject: Accessing contacts for the to-line?


In Outlook 2010, on the to-line, how do I get to contacts to put in a
name???

thanks,


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Jaws 12 with a remote controller

TeddyBear
 

Good evening list:

Does anyone know if the Bryant remote controller to program a thermostat is accessible with Jaws 12?
I have tried asking the company, but they don't know about Jaws or how it works. I don't want to spend the extra money to purchase this controller if it's not going to work with Jaws.

thanks

Tracy


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John Martyn to appear on FSCast

John Martyn
 

Hi all,
For those interested, I did an interview that should be out in about 10 days
and I go into my life a little bit as well as talk about blind
accessibility. Certainly I talk a bit about my personal life and how I
became blind which I don't do, but I think it may inspire some. You won't
want to miss it.
John Martyn


Re: Pop-Up Tool Tip/Balloo

Dave...
 

Numpad Slash (the JAWS left mouse click). However you need to do it within a
few seconds of it popping up.
Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Milton Ota" <mota@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 13:29
Subject: Pop-Up Tool Tip/Balloo


Does anyone know the keystroke for getting to a "Tool Tip/Pop-Up Balloon
when inserting a new device?



Thanks in advance.



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Re: Using MS office communicator with Jaws

Bergen, Eric <Eric.Bergen@...>
 

Hi Kim.
Which version of Cummunicator are you using, and which version of Jaws.
I also use Communicator at work.
Communicator 2007, and once someone has sent me a message I don't find
it too bad to use.
To read the message I believe you back tab once to history and you arrow
up and down from there to read the message.
To compose a message tab once which takes you to edit and you can just
start typing.
Hit enter to send the message.
I know this is not very much information, but if you have more
questions, do not hesitate to ask.
Eric.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Using MS office communicator with Jaws

Hi All,

My office has started using microsoft office communicator for instant
messaging and I'm not finding it particularly friendly with Jaws.

Are there scripts available to make it work better? Or if anyone has
experience with communicator and could give me some pointers I would
greatly appreciate the help.

Right now it's taking me so long to figure out where I am in the
application and where to type the message that it is far from instant
messaging.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Pop-Up Tool Tip/Balloo

Milton Ota <mota@...>
 

Does anyone know the keystroke for getting to a "Tool Tip/Pop-Up Balloon
when inserting a new device?



Thanks in advance.



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Re: What to do about XP machines

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

I personally don't know why people is still clinging to xp. I never
had problems with windows 7 and have been using it since its beta days
and it's really not such a big learning curve. If I were you guys
rather upgrade to windows 7 now before 8 comes out because right now
not even jaws 13 will work with windows 8 not even mentioning older
jaws versions and once windows 8 is out it might be difficult to get
hold of a copy of 7. I look at it this way, the world is moving on, so
should I. Adapt or die if technology moves on we as disabled people
can't stay behind. Plus, one of these days new programs will start
having problems running on xp systems, the developers won't put in
effort to make it work on a old windows version, if it works cool but
if not they won't brake their backs in trying to make it work.

On 10/19/11, Lisle, Ted <Ted.Lisle@...> wrote:
After reading the list of fixes, I've decided to take the plunge again,
but I'm not going to go to the trouble until the product release. I was
wondering if service packs might make a difference. I don't remember
what I have at home; it's 2 here. As I recall the differences between 2
and 3 were supposed to be insignificant, and good luck finding a service
pack for XP now.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:46 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines

I have used JAWS 11, 12 and 13 on a Windows XP pro machine with Office
2007.
I haven't really had any problems especially since I got my newer
machine.
I did have the problem with Excel 2007, but I was able to fix that.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines

Any of you guys using Office 2007 or later with XP Pro? Please contact
me off list.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Robert Westfall
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:22 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines

Same here Jaws 12 latest build on an xp pro sp3 machine. All working
just
fine.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:15 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines

Running JFW12 on an XP/SP3 machine with no difficulties.
Pat ByrneAt 11:38 AM 8/21/2011, you wrote:
Ok, Steve. ... Thanks for the response.

I'm going to play it cool for a while here and see what other feedback
I
get.

Actually, I think my time and energy this week will be spent getting
Jaws 12 up and running on the new Windows 7 laptop the University
will be giving me, so the XP thing can wait for a bit.

Tom in Michigan


----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" <k8sp@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines


Tom,

While several people have reported issues, I've not had any and I
am running XP here with Jaws 12 Pro.

Steve,
Lansing, MI

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@...>
To: "Jaws users e-mail list" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:27 AM
Subject: What to do about XP machines


Hello, everyone.

In a recent post, I believe Adrian said the following:

"Many listers have reported flaws in JAWS 12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. ... I
still use XP Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11,
even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12."

The timing for this comment couldn't have been better in my case.

Although this is likely to change soon as my University switches
us all completely over to Windows 7, my desktop at work is still
an XP machine, and still has Jaws 11. The back-up PC I have at
home is an XP machine, and that too has Jaws 11.

So, is the collective wisdom of the group to keep things as they
are now on the XP machines, rather than installing Jaws 12 which
seems to be geared more to Windows 7?

If this is true, you guys have just saved me some head-aches with
my remaining XP computers, and I thank you sincerely for that.

I'll save my headaches for installing Jaws 12 on the new Windows 7
laptop the University will give me this week. (smile)

Tom in Michigan


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Re: Accessing contacts for the to-line?

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello Ann;

Not sure how you have your contacts listed,

However, when I go to the BCC field,
And type a name, I hear, person's name along with the email address.
So, I guess, it would depend on how the contact information was applied to
the contacts list.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Accessing contacts for the to-line?

Ann,

I think if you add them to your contacts, and then edit the contacts, you'll

find a field where you can define the name that's displayed in the TO:
field.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:49
Subject: Accessing contacts for the to-line?


In Outlook 2010, on the to-line, how do I get to contacts to put in a
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Re: JAWS and .pdf

Adrian Spratt
 

Robert, your current message, which is clear, shows that I did, indeed,
misinterpret your earlier post. In turn, your reply to my message partially
misinterprets mine. So be it. Rather than take offense that something you
have carefully composed has been misunderstood, perhaps you could take heart
that contributors to this list make an effort to get things right. Each of
us who posts regularly have had our ideas corrected, as we have corrected
those posted by others. Even so, I agree, it's important to try to get it
right the first time. I will tell you that your previous message wasn't as
clear as you believe, but I do wish I'd read it correctly.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of robert hebert
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 2:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf

You are mistaken my friend. I have done this procedure nearly 100 times and
have never been unable to read the .txt file once converted.
If you read my message carefully, I did not say to rename the file with a
.txt extension--that definitely does not work but letting an OCR program
rename the file does work because the OCR program is not simply renaming the
file but is in fact converting the file into another format. And yes, there
are a number of options that a file can be converted to but when converting
and forwarding a file any computer can read a file with a .txt extension.
This is why I seldom post to this list because I have rarely found that my
messages are completely read. I have spent a great deal of time in writing
the message with a lengthy and thorough explanation;so, Until you've taken
time to read and understand it fully, please don't make erroneous comments
about it.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: October-18-11 9:44 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf

This isn't completely correct. Renaming a PDF file that JAWS calls "empty"
with a .txt extension won't necessarily make it readable. In my experience,
it never does. An "empty" PDF file must be converted with an OCR program.

Although I'm not a Kurzweil user, I'd also modify the first part of your
message. I assume Kurzweil, like other OCR devices, gives you the option of
converting to other formats, such as .txt, .rtf, etc. If that isn't the case
with Kurzweil, it's a serious limitation and a reason I wouldn't buy it.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of robert hebert
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:41 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf

It is quite common for pdf documents to be interpreted by screen-reading
software as empty documents. This is because the pdf file is what is called
an image file. In effect, adobe takes a snapshot of the sender's file and
sends that snapshot to the receiving computer. Although a sighted person
sees text on the screen, Jaws or other speech readers do not hence Jaws, for
instance reports the image as an empty document.
Solution: Scanning software has at least 2 solutions for this problem:
Using Kurzweil scanning software I can print the image document to the
virtual printer. What happens here is that the scanning program scans the
screen as if one had a document on the scanner. Each page of your document
will be virtually scanned in this way and at the end you will be asked to
accept an assigned file name or enter a new one. When saved in this way,
only computers with Kurzweil software will be able to read a document in
this format. I believe that most, if not all software scanning programs do a
similar procedure though I have only used Kurzweil.
The second and just a bit more involved solution is to move the "empty" pdf
file to a folder where you usually keep your documents then using your
scanning software (assuming you have it) select that file through your
scanning program's menu, and save it as a file with a .txt extension. Now
your file will be saved as a text document and at this point, Jaws or any
other screen reading program will be able to read that file.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Ann Marie Medlar
Sent: October-18-11 7:23 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf

When that happens to me I open .pdf using Openbook scanning software. Hope
you have some scanning software.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf


i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable.
If it's empty, there would be nothing to read??

At 04:10 PM 10/17/2011, you wrote:
Is there any way to make a .pdf document which shows up as an empty
document readable by JAWS?

TL

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Re: What to do about XP machines

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

After reading the list of fixes, I've decided to take the plunge again,
but I'm not going to go to the trouble until the product release. I was
wondering if service packs might make a difference. I don't remember
what I have at home; it's 2 here. As I recall the differences between 2
and 3 were supposed to be insignificant, and good luck finding a service
pack for XP now.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:46 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines

I have used JAWS 11, 12 and 13 on a Windows XP pro machine with Office
2007.
I haven't really had any problems especially since I got my newer
machine.
I did have the problem with Excel 2007, but I was able to fix that.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 2:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines

Any of you guys using Office 2007 or later with XP Pro? Please contact
me off list.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Robert Westfall
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:22 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What to do about XP machines

Same here Jaws 12 latest build on an xp pro sp3 machine. All working
just
fine.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:15 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines

Running JFW12 on an XP/SP3 machine with no difficulties.
Pat ByrneAt 11:38 AM 8/21/2011, you wrote:
Ok, Steve. ... Thanks for the response.

I'm going to play it cool for a while here and see what other feedback
I
get.

Actually, I think my time and energy this week will be spent getting
Jaws 12 up and running on the new Windows 7 laptop the University
will be giving me, so the XP thing can wait for a bit.

Tom in Michigan


----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" <k8sp@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: What to do about XP machines


Tom,

While several people have reported issues, I've not had any and I
am running XP here with Jaws 12 Pro.

Steve,
Lansing, MI

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@...>
To: "Jaws users e-mail list" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:27 AM
Subject: What to do about XP machines


Hello, everyone.

In a recent post, I believe Adrian said the following:

"Many listers have reported flaws in JAWS 12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. ... I
still use XP Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11,
even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12."

The timing for this comment couldn't have been better in my case.

Although this is likely to change soon as my University switches
us all completely over to Windows 7, my desktop at work is still
an XP machine, and still has Jaws 11. The back-up PC I have at
home is an XP machine, and that too has Jaws 11.

So, is the collective wisdom of the group to keep things as they
are now on the XP machines, rather than installing Jaws 12 which
seems to be geared more to Windows 7?

If this is true, you guys have just saved me some head-aches with
my remaining XP computers, and I thank you sincerely for that.

I'll save my headaches for installing Jaws 12 on the new Windows 7
laptop the University will give me this week. (smile)

Tom in Michigan


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Re: JAWS and .pdf

Dave...
 

Okay, okay, we get your point Robert. The responder clearly made a mistake,
and in truth your original message was not extremely clear, in any case.

And just to prove that I read your entire message:

"This is why I seldom post to this list because I have rarely found that my
messages are completely read. I have spent a great deal of time in writing
the message with a lengthy and thorough explanation;so, Until you've taken
time to read and understand it fully, please don't make erroneous comments
about it."

We don't need a monolog on how to read your messages. Mistakes happen, and
it's usually not a direct attack on you as a writer. And if you are
sensitive to how people read or not read your messages, then you may not be
happy with the general population of lists, in general -- blind or not.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "robert hebert" <roberthebert@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 11:00
Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf


You are mistaken my friend. I have done this procedure nearly 100 times and
have never been unable to read the .txt file once converted.
If you read my message carefully, I did not say to rename the file with a
.txt extension--that definitely does not work but letting an OCR program
rename the file does work because the OCR program is not simply renaming the
file but is in fact converting the file into another format. And yes, there
are a number of options that a file can be converted to but when converting
and forwarding a file any computer can read a file with a .txt extension.
This is why I seldom post to this list because I have rarely found that my
messages are completely read. I have spent a great deal of time in writing
the message with a lengthy and thorough explanation;so, Until you've taken
time to read and understand it fully, please don't make erroneous comments
about it.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: October-18-11 9:44 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf

This isn't completely correct. Renaming a PDF file that JAWS calls "empty"
with a .txt extension won't necessarily make it readable. In my experience,
it never does. An "empty" PDF file must be converted with an OCR program.

Although I'm not a Kurzweil user, I'd also modify the first part of your
message. I assume Kurzweil, like other OCR devices, gives you the option of
converting to other formats, such as .txt, .rtf, etc. If that isn't the case
with Kurzweil, it's a serious limitation and a reason I wouldn't buy it.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of robert hebert
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:41 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf

It is quite common for pdf documents to be interpreted by screen-reading
software as empty documents. This is because the pdf file is what is called
an image file. In effect, adobe takes a snapshot of the sender's file and
sends that snapshot to the receiving computer. Although a sighted person
sees text on the screen, Jaws or other speech readers do not hence Jaws, for
instance reports the image as an empty document.
Solution: Scanning software has at least 2 solutions for this problem:
Using Kurzweil scanning software I can print the image document to the
virtual printer. What happens here is that the scanning program scans the
screen as if one had a document on the scanner. Each page of your document
will be virtually scanned in this way and at the end you will be asked to
accept an assigned file name or enter a new one. When saved in this way,
only computers with Kurzweil software will be able to read a document in
this format. I believe that most, if not all software scanning programs do a
similar procedure though I have only used Kurzweil.
The second and just a bit more involved solution is to move the "empty" pdf
file to a folder where you usually keep your documents then using your
scanning software (assuming you have it) select that file through your
scanning program's menu, and save it as a file with a .txt extension. Now
your file will be saved as a text document and at this point, Jaws or any
other screen reading program will be able to read that file.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Ann Marie Medlar
Sent: October-18-11 7:23 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf

When that happens to me I open .pdf using Openbook scanning software. Hope
you have some scanning software.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf


i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable.
If it's empty, there would be nothing to read??

At 04:10 PM 10/17/2011, you wrote:
Is there any way to make a .pdf document which shows up as an empty
document readable by JAWS?

TL

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Re: Accessing contacts for the to-line?

Dave...
 

Ann,

I think if you add them to your contacts, and then edit the contacts, you'll
find a field where you can define the name that's displayed in the TO:
field.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Byrne" <annakb@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:49
Subject: Accessing contacts for the to-line?


In Outlook 2010, on the to-line, how do I get to contacts to put in a
name???

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Using MS office communicator with Jaws

Kimber Gardner
 

Hi All,

My office has started using microsoft office communicator for instant
messaging and I'm not finding it particularly friendly with Jaws.

Are there scripts available to make it work better? Or if anyone has
experience with communicator and could give me some pointers I would
greatly appreciate the help.

Right now it's taking me so long to figure out where I am in the
application and where to type the message that it is far from instant
messaging.

Thanks in advance,
Kim


Re: JAWS and .pdf

robert hebert <roberthebert@...>
 

That is correct, the "empty document" message ins in fact coming from Jaws
as the program does not see any on-screen text, as I explained in my
message. From Adobe's point of view, the file is not empty--it is an image
file but in this case, the image is a snapshot of the print page and not a
photograph.
Jaws 13 will address this issue to some degree though as Freedom points out,
they are not releasing a full-blown ocr program.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: October-18-11 1:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf

Could the "empty Document" message in Adobe programs be coming from JAWS
instead of Adobe.

Because there is no text information in the document, JAWS thinks the
document is blank, when in fact, it is not. Which is why JAWS is giving the

empty document message.

Sincerely:

Dave durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf



The empty document message means that Adobe Reader is unable to read the
document because it contains graphics that Adobe Reader cannot interpret.
If you have Open Book, selecting the Freedom Import Printer option from
the Adobe Reader Print menu will launch Open Book to scan the document and
attempt to convert the text contained within the graphics into speech
using OCR. The new convenient OCR feature of JAWS 13 will supposedly
accomplish the same thing, but my understanding is that this feature works
best on web page graphics, not document graphics. Has anyone successfully
converted an empty document into speech using the convenient OCR feature
of JAWS 13?

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf


i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable.
If it's empty, there would be nothing to read??

At 04:10 PM 10/17/2011, you wrote:
Is there any way to make a .pdf document which shows up as an empty
document readable by JAWS?

TL

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Re: JAWS and .pdf

robert hebert <roberthebert@...>
 

You are mistaken my friend. I have done this procedure nearly 100 times and
have never been unable to read the .txt file once converted.
If you read my message carefully, I did not say to rename the file with a
.txt extension--that definitely does not work but letting an OCR program
rename the file does work because the OCR program is not simply renaming the
file but is in fact converting the file into another format. And yes, there
are a number of options that a file can be converted to but when converting
and forwarding a file any computer can read a file with a .txt extension.
This is why I seldom post to this list because I have rarely found that my
messages are completely read. I have spent a great deal of time in writing
the message with a lengthy and thorough explanation;so, Until you've taken
time to read and understand it fully, please don't make erroneous comments
about it.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: October-18-11 9:44 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf

This isn't completely correct. Renaming a PDF file that JAWS calls "empty"
with a .txt extension won't necessarily make it readable. In my experience,
it never does. An "empty" PDF file must be converted with an OCR program.

Although I'm not a Kurzweil user, I'd also modify the first part of your
message. I assume Kurzweil, like other OCR devices, gives you the option of
converting to other formats, such as .txt, .rtf, etc. If that isn't the case
with Kurzweil, it's a serious limitation and a reason I wouldn't buy it.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of robert hebert
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:41 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf

It is quite common for pdf documents to be interpreted by screen-reading
software as empty documents. This is because the pdf file is what is called
an image file. In effect, adobe takes a snapshot of the sender's file and
sends that snapshot to the receiving computer. Although a sighted person
sees text on the screen, Jaws or other speech readers do not hence Jaws, for
instance reports the image as an empty document.
Solution: Scanning software has at least 2 solutions for this problem:
Using Kurzweil scanning software I can print the image document to the
virtual printer. What happens here is that the scanning program scans the
screen as if one had a document on the scanner. Each page of your document
will be virtually scanned in this way and at the end you will be asked to
accept an assigned file name or enter a new one. When saved in this way,
only computers with Kurzweil software will be able to read a document in
this format. I believe that most, if not all software scanning programs do a
similar procedure though I have only used Kurzweil.
The second and just a bit more involved solution is to move the "empty" pdf
file to a folder where you usually keep your documents then using your
scanning software (assuming you have it) select that file through your
scanning program's menu, and save it as a file with a .txt extension. Now
your file will be saved as a text document and at this point, Jaws or any
other screen reading program will be able to read that file.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Ann Marie Medlar
Sent: October-18-11 7:23 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf

When that happens to me I open .pdf using Openbook scanning software. Hope
you have some scanning software.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf


i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable.
If it's empty, there would be nothing to read??

At 04:10 PM 10/17/2011, you wrote:
Is there any way to make a .pdf document which shows up as an empty
document readable by JAWS?

TL

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