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Re: Annoying articulation of Mouse over

George Marshall
 

Mike thanks for this tip, using JAWS 12, followed directions and will see if it works.
George R. Marshall
marshall.geoma4@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara" <mb69mach1@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: Annoying articulation of Mouse over


Hi Again,

Sorry, I forgot to add the steps for Jaws versions prior to Jaws12 for
stopping the announcing of mouse over.
1. Open the configuration manager, control, shift, + D, for default manager,
Alt + S, to open user options.
2. Arrow down to, HTML options,
& press enter, or just press the
letter H, after opening user options.
3. Control + Tab, to the Misc. tab.
4. Tab to, indicate element attribute, & uncheck this box if it is
checked.
5. Tab to okay, press the spacebar or enter, press control + S, to save
your changes, & press Alt + F4 to close the configuration manager.

HTH
Take care.
Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: Mike & Barbara
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Annoying articulation of Mouse over


Hi Ed,

For Jaws12, try the following to stop the mouse over from being announced;
1. Open the Settings Center, press control, shift, + D, for the default
for
all applications, & Alt + S, for the search box.
2. Type in, indicate element, & wait for a couple of seconds for the
results.
3. Arrow down to, indicate element attribute, & uncheck this box if it is
checked.
4. Tab to okay, press enter to save your changes & close.

Hope this helps. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Marquette, Ed
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 4:57 PM
Subject: Annoying articulation of Mouse over


I think I remember a thread on this subject, but it was a long, long
time
ago.
When I go to Dictionary.Com (I wish Research-It used this reference tool
instead of the rather lame dictionary presently included), I encounter
repeated enunciation of "mouse over."
Can anyone tell me how to get rid of this?
I went to the Settings Center and typed in Mouse over. I got nothing.


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Re: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello there;

Well, I'm not sure what you mean by, doing anything serious,
However, you do have the ability to send email,
Create and save documents,
And I assume other tasks.
I have done the above tasks, using the speech recognition in windows 7.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:44 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

The speach recognition on windows 7 is ok but I don't see a person
actually using it for anything cerious. I just spoke to a guy using
dragon and as I understand, comparing windows speach recognition to
dragon is like comparing windows narator to jaws.

On 9/6/11, David <davidwhitehead1957@...> wrote:
Hello there;

Folks who are using windows7,
Can use the speech recognition feature,
After training you can do, send email,
Create and save documents, etc,
I have tried this, and it does work with a little patience.



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:38 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hi thanks for the info. So as I understand, you do the initial
training and then after that does it train itself and improve as you
use it? I suppose it creates some files someware with the info it
learned while you used it, if lets say you install it on another
machine or format your machine, can you easally transfer the files
back or do you have to start training it from scratch. I agree with
you FS should focus more on feetures that people use for work, if I
want damm sport scors I just google it, don't think I ever used
research it after checking it out once.

On 9/6/11, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...> wrote:
Nickus:
I think it works pretty well with JAWS right out of the box (no scripts),
provided (i) you get the settings right (and that may take a little
tinkering) and (ii) you get sighted assistance for 15 to 30 minutes to
help
with the training. J-SAY breaks up the training into little phrases that
you
can repeat immediately after JAWS says the phrases (like repeating
wedding
vows at a typical U.S. wedding). Without J-SAY, training is a bear. If,
however, you can sit pretty far from the screen, get someone to read what
is
on the screen softly, and use a decent noise-canceling headset microphone
when you read into the computer, you'll be fine. To train it, you have
to
read a short essay.
As for the "Is it worth it," that's a hard one to answer. It is amazingly
accurate. I think 95% is stretching a little. I would say it averages an
error every 5 lines. If you don't screw-up and leave the microphone on
while you are talking on the phone or to someone else, it does get better
and better. The very act of correcting it really is teaching it. You
shouldn't trust either the voice "stop listening" command or the mute
button. Instead, use the keystroke to shut off the microphone.
As for the licensing, I'm not really sure. I only have it on my laptop,
which I carry back and forth to work. I part with my laptop only when
sleeping and showering, and sometimes ... <SMILE>
Probably the biggest drawback for blind users is something, the last time
I
checked, J-SAY had not fixed, and that is homonyms. It is pretty good
about
the most common homonyms like to, two, and too or their, there, and
they're.
For more obscure ones like discreet and discrete, Naturally Speaking is
challenged. Moreover, if it sounded above like I just typed the same word
or
words multiple times, then you know how challenging it is for a blind
person
to catch homonyms.
With Window-Eyes, I created a special homonyms dictionary, which I could
load when I wanted to proof something. It would say and spell the word.
I haven't figured out how to do that with JAWS (I can manually create
the
entries in a dictionary (speech settings file), but I cannot swap it in
and
out, and keeping it running all the time is too annoying.) I've
suggested
to Freedom Scientific that, in Text Analyzer, an option be added so that
one
could hear (not here) homonyms. Note, with my homonyms dictionary idea,
if
I needed to know about the homonyms, the last phrase would have said hear
h
e eigh r and here h e r e.
So far, I've heard nothing from Freedom Scientific.
For me, having a feature like that is more important and more jobs
related
than is, for example, getting the Red Sox scores on Research It, but I
know
Eric is a Red Sox fan. <SMILE>


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From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 4:27 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hi guys. I just recently heard about dragon and wanted to ask some
questions. Based on these posts I gather it works with jaws so there
goes my first question, just not sure does it work with or without
scripts? Well second thing, is it really worth the money, is it really
very accurate I think they clame 95% or something and last thing can I
install it on my desktop and laptop or would I have to buy 2 licences?

On 9/6/11, Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...> wrote:
Does it give you feedback of what you've written as your saying it or do
you
have to wait until the end of reading your document to then review it?

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:13 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hello:
I am writing this e-mail message using Dragon NaturallySpeaking.
One of the most important things to do in Naturally Speaking is to get
rid
of the Dragon bar. Actually, the setting is to confine the Dragon bar to
the
system tray. Other than to exit Naturally Speaking, I will rarely use
the
Dragon Bar.
The next most important setting is to set up hotkeys. For example, I set
Shift Plus F-11 to turn the microphone on and off. I use the pause key
temporarily to silence the microphone.
None of these keys will conflict. In fact, if you buy J-Say, certain
Dragon
hotkeys will be suggested, but you can use anything you like. Don't
worry
about conflicts.
If you have a good headset microphone which is noise canceling, and if
you
can get a little cited assistance to help you through the training, you
really do not need J-Say or J-Tools. I actually own J-Say, but I stopped
using it and uninstalled it. It tended to mess up JAWS, and the
installation
package was not ready for prime time.
It was particularly problematic to install in a corporate environment
with
heavy duty security settings. In fact, I don't think I ever got a good
installation of J-Say.
Now, I will dictate an entire document, such as this e-mail message, and
then go back and proofread it with speech off. I never used the JAWS
cursor
for anything. When I find a word that is wrong, I tend to highlight the
word
and then press F10. That brings up a dialog box which, initially,
contains
an edit field. If you know how to spell the correct word, just type it
in
and hit enter.
If you don't, hit tab and then arrow up and down through the choices.
Once
you have identified the term which is most appropriate, you can either
hit
enter or hit tab to times to the okay button. I hope this helps.
Go to top



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Robert Logue
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 4:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hi.

Please. What settings below work best with Jaws with and without J-Tools
or
J-Say?
Jaws 12, DNS Premium 11.5, Win XP MCE.

It would be very good to have comments and information on how each item
and
choice below effects the basic functionality of Jaws without special
scripts. Then, how the same settings effect J-Tools and J-Say.

I don't have J-Tools or J-Say yet. Sometimes I can work the spelling
dialog
with the Jaws cursor but I have some difficulty knowing when the dialog
appears.Also have some trouble with the main standard Dragon toolbar.
There is a "microphone buttonbutton" that doesn't appear to activate, no
matter how I do it with spacebar or enter. I do have DNS set to start
with
the microphone ready to turn on by voice but sometimes I need to use the
toolbar or the system tray. Sometimes the system tray microphone
button
won't activate and doesn't turn on the microphone. It's also a lot of
messing around. I could set up DNS hot keys but don't want to conflict
with
Jaws or the scripts if and when I get them. Suggestions for hotkey
combinations also welcome.

Even switching focus to the Dragon bar is a bit confusing because Jaws
doesn't say a thing and I always have to press tab once to get to that
button.

I've written to the Jaws list first as I don't have the scripts so far.
Hope this is ok.


Options
View

DragonBarPreview: Mode:Docked to TopDocked to BottomFloatingClingTray
Icon
OnlyShow messagesShow extrasResults BoxAnchor Auto-hide delay:Show
preliminary results 10 secondsBeep after recognitionRestore defaultsOK
Cancel Apply Help OptionsCorrection "Select" commands bring up
Correction
menu"Select" commands search backwards"Correct" commands bring up
Spelling
Window"Spell" commands bring up Spelling WindowAutomatically add words
to
the active vocabularyAutomatic playback on correctionCorrection MenuShow
only the choicesAnchorEnable double-click to correctShow no more than 9
choicesRestore defaultsOK Cancel Apply Help


Nuts! Outlook Expressed removed all the paragraphs when I copied the
text
from Jarte. So,that may be a bit hard to read.


Bob



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Re: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

The speach recognition on windows 7 is ok but I don't see a person
actually using it for anything cerious. I just spoke to a guy using
dragon and as I understand, comparing windows speach recognition to
dragon is like comparing windows narator to jaws.

On 9/6/11, David <davidwhitehead1957@...> wrote:
Hello there;

Folks who are using windows7,
Can use the speech recognition feature,
After training you can do, send email,
Create and save documents, etc,
I have tried this, and it does work with a little patience.



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:38 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hi thanks for the info. So as I understand, you do the initial
training and then after that does it train itself and improve as you
use it? I suppose it creates some files someware with the info it
learned while you used it, if lets say you install it on another
machine or format your machine, can you easally transfer the files
back or do you have to start training it from scratch. I agree with
you FS should focus more on feetures that people use for work, if I
want damm sport scors I just google it, don't think I ever used
research it after checking it out once.

On 9/6/11, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...> wrote:
Nickus:
I think it works pretty well with JAWS right out of the box (no scripts),
provided (i) you get the settings right (and that may take a little
tinkering) and (ii) you get sighted assistance for 15 to 30 minutes to
help
with the training. J-SAY breaks up the training into little phrases that
you
can repeat immediately after JAWS says the phrases (like repeating wedding
vows at a typical U.S. wedding). Without J-SAY, training is a bear. If,
however, you can sit pretty far from the screen, get someone to read what
is
on the screen softly, and use a decent noise-canceling headset microphone
when you read into the computer, you'll be fine. To train it, you have to
read a short essay.
As for the "Is it worth it," that's a hard one to answer. It is amazingly
accurate. I think 95% is stretching a little. I would say it averages an
error every 5 lines. If you don't screw-up and leave the microphone on
while you are talking on the phone or to someone else, it does get better
and better. The very act of correcting it really is teaching it. You
shouldn't trust either the voice "stop listening" command or the mute
button. Instead, use the keystroke to shut off the microphone.
As for the licensing, I'm not really sure. I only have it on my laptop,
which I carry back and forth to work. I part with my laptop only when
sleeping and showering, and sometimes ... <SMILE>
Probably the biggest drawback for blind users is something, the last time
I
checked, J-SAY had not fixed, and that is homonyms. It is pretty good
about
the most common homonyms like to, two, and too or their, there, and
they're.
For more obscure ones like discreet and discrete, Naturally Speaking is
challenged. Moreover, if it sounded above like I just typed the same word
or
words multiple times, then you know how challenging it is for a blind
person
to catch homonyms.
With Window-Eyes, I created a special homonyms dictionary, which I could
load when I wanted to proof something. It would say and spell the word.
I haven't figured out how to do that with JAWS (I can manually create the
entries in a dictionary (speech settings file), but I cannot swap it in
and
out, and keeping it running all the time is too annoying.) I've suggested
to Freedom Scientific that, in Text Analyzer, an option be added so that
one
could hear (not here) homonyms. Note, with my homonyms dictionary idea,
if
I needed to know about the homonyms, the last phrase would have said hear
h
e eigh r and here h e r e.
So far, I've heard nothing from Freedom Scientific.
For me, having a feature like that is more important and more jobs related
than is, for example, getting the Red Sox scores on Research It, but I
know
Eric is a Red Sox fan. <SMILE>


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 4:27 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hi guys. I just recently heard about dragon and wanted to ask some
questions. Based on these posts I gather it works with jaws so there
goes my first question, just not sure does it work with or without
scripts? Well second thing, is it really worth the money, is it really
very accurate I think they clame 95% or something and last thing can I
install it on my desktop and laptop or would I have to buy 2 licences?

On 9/6/11, Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...> wrote:
Does it give you feedback of what you've written as your saying it or do
you
have to wait until the end of reading your document to then review it?

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:13 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hello:
I am writing this e-mail message using Dragon NaturallySpeaking.
One of the most important things to do in Naturally Speaking is to get
rid
of the Dragon bar. Actually, the setting is to confine the Dragon bar to
the
system tray. Other than to exit Naturally Speaking, I will rarely use the
Dragon Bar.
The next most important setting is to set up hotkeys. For example, I set
Shift Plus F-11 to turn the microphone on and off. I use the pause key
temporarily to silence the microphone.
None of these keys will conflict. In fact, if you buy J-Say, certain
Dragon
hotkeys will be suggested, but you can use anything you like. Don't worry
about conflicts.
If you have a good headset microphone which is noise canceling, and if
you
can get a little cited assistance to help you through the training, you
really do not need J-Say or J-Tools. I actually own J-Say, but I stopped
using it and uninstalled it. It tended to mess up JAWS, and the
installation
package was not ready for prime time.
It was particularly problematic to install in a corporate environment
with
heavy duty security settings. In fact, I don't think I ever got a good
installation of J-Say.
Now, I will dictate an entire document, such as this e-mail message, and
then go back and proofread it with speech off. I never used the JAWS
cursor
for anything. When I find a word that is wrong, I tend to highlight the
word
and then press F10. That brings up a dialog box which, initially,
contains
an edit field. If you know how to spell the correct word, just type it in
and hit enter.
If you don't, hit tab and then arrow up and down through the choices.
Once
you have identified the term which is most appropriate, you can either
hit
enter or hit tab to times to the okay button. I hope this helps.
Go to top



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Robert Logue
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 4:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hi.

Please. What settings below work best with Jaws with and without J-Tools
or
J-Say?
Jaws 12, DNS Premium 11.5, Win XP MCE.

It would be very good to have comments and information on how each item
and
choice below effects the basic functionality of Jaws without special
scripts. Then, how the same settings effect J-Tools and J-Say.

I don't have J-Tools or J-Say yet. Sometimes I can work the spelling
dialog
with the Jaws cursor but I have some difficulty knowing when the dialog
appears.Also have some trouble with the main standard Dragon toolbar.
There is a "microphone buttonbutton" that doesn't appear to activate, no
matter how I do it with spacebar or enter. I do have DNS set to start
with
the microphone ready to turn on by voice but sometimes I need to use the
toolbar or the system tray. Sometimes the system tray microphone button
won't activate and doesn't turn on the microphone. It's also a lot of
messing around. I could set up DNS hot keys but don't want to conflict
with
Jaws or the scripts if and when I get them. Suggestions for hotkey
combinations also welcome.

Even switching focus to the Dragon bar is a bit confusing because Jaws
doesn't say a thing and I always have to press tab once to get to that
button.

I've written to the Jaws list first as I don't have the scripts so far.
Hope this is ok.


Options
View

DragonBarPreview: Mode:Docked to TopDocked to BottomFloatingClingTray
Icon
OnlyShow messagesShow extrasResults BoxAnchor Auto-hide delay:Show
preliminary results 10 secondsBeep after recognitionRestore defaultsOK
Cancel Apply Help OptionsCorrection "Select" commands bring up Correction
menu"Select" commands search backwards"Correct" commands bring up
Spelling
Window"Spell" commands bring up Spelling WindowAutomatically add words to
the active vocabularyAutomatic playback on correctionCorrection MenuShow
only the choicesAnchorEnable double-click to correctShow no more than 9
choicesRestore defaultsOK Cancel Apply Help


Nuts! Outlook Expressed removed all the paragraphs when I copied the
text
from Jarte. So,that may be a bit hard to read.


Bob



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UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE.
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Re: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

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Since I transfer my laptop, I have not transferred user files; however, I'm sure I've read where they can be transferred. As one exits Naturally Speaking one gets a message that user files are being saved, and when one upgrades to a new computer, those user files can be transferred. So, I'm sure you could (probably automatically with DropBox) keep the user files synchronized.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 6:38 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hi thanks for the info. So as I understand, you do the initial
training and then after that does it train itself and improve as you
use it? I suppose it creates some files someware with the info it
learned while you used it, if lets say you install it on another
machine or format your machine, can you easally transfer the files
back or do you have to start training it from scratch. I agree with
you FS should focus more on feetures that people use for work, if I
want damm sport scors I just google it, don't think I ever used
research it after checking it out once.

On 9/6/11, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...> wrote:
Nickus:
I think it works pretty well with JAWS right out of the box (no scripts),
provided (i) you get the settings right (and that may take a little
tinkering) and (ii) you get sighted assistance for 15 to 30 minutes to help
with the training. J-SAY breaks up the training into little phrases that you
can repeat immediately after JAWS says the phrases (like repeating wedding
vows at a typical U.S. wedding). Without J-SAY, training is a bear. If,
however, you can sit pretty far from the screen, get someone to read what is
on the screen softly, and use a decent noise-canceling headset microphone
when you read into the computer, you'll be fine. To train it, you have to
read a short essay.
As for the "Is it worth it," that's a hard one to answer. It is amazingly
accurate. I think 95% is stretching a little. I would say it averages an
error every 5 lines. If you don't screw-up and leave the microphone on
while you are talking on the phone or to someone else, it does get better
and better. The very act of correcting it really is teaching it. You
shouldn't trust either the voice "stop listening" command or the mute
button. Instead, use the keystroke to shut off the microphone.
As for the licensing, I'm not really sure. I only have it on my laptop,
which I carry back and forth to work. I part with my laptop only when
sleeping and showering, and sometimes ... <SMILE>
Probably the biggest drawback for blind users is something, the last time I
checked, J-SAY had not fixed, and that is homonyms. It is pretty good about
the most common homonyms like to, two, and too or their, there, and they're.
For more obscure ones like discreet and discrete, Naturally Speaking is
challenged. Moreover, if it sounded above like I just typed the same word or
words multiple times, then you know how challenging it is for a blind person
to catch homonyms.
With Window-Eyes, I created a special homonyms dictionary, which I could
load when I wanted to proof something. It would say and spell the word.
I haven't figured out how to do that with JAWS (I can manually create the
entries in a dictionary (speech settings file), but I cannot swap it in and
out, and keeping it running all the time is too annoying.) I've suggested
to Freedom Scientific that, in Text Analyzer, an option be added so that one
could hear (not here) homonyms. Note, with my homonyms dictionary idea, if
I needed to know about the homonyms, the last phrase would have said hear h
e eigh r and here h e r e.
So far, I've heard nothing from Freedom Scientific.
For me, having a feature like that is more important and more jobs related
than is, for example, getting the Red Sox scores on Research It, but I know
Eric is a Red Sox fan. <SMILE>


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 4:27 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hi guys. I just recently heard about dragon and wanted to ask some
questions. Based on these posts I gather it works with jaws so there
goes my first question, just not sure does it work with or without
scripts? Well second thing, is it really worth the money, is it really
very accurate I think they clame 95% or something and last thing can I
install it on my desktop and laptop or would I have to buy 2 licences?

On 9/6/11, Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...> wrote:
Does it give you feedback of what you've written as your saying it or do
you
have to wait until the end of reading your document to then review it?

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:13 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hello:
I am writing this e-mail message using Dragon NaturallySpeaking.
One of the most important things to do in Naturally Speaking is to get rid
of the Dragon bar. Actually, the setting is to confine the Dragon bar to
the
system tray. Other than to exit Naturally Speaking, I will rarely use the
Dragon Bar.
The next most important setting is to set up hotkeys. For example, I set
Shift Plus F-11 to turn the microphone on and off. I use the pause key
temporarily to silence the microphone.
None of these keys will conflict. In fact, if you buy J-Say, certain
Dragon
hotkeys will be suggested, but you can use anything you like. Don't worry
about conflicts.
If you have a good headset microphone which is noise canceling, and if you
can get a little cited assistance to help you through the training, you
really do not need J-Say or J-Tools. I actually own J-Say, but I stopped
using it and uninstalled it. It tended to mess up JAWS, and the
installation
package was not ready for prime time.
It was particularly problematic to install in a corporate environment with
heavy duty security settings. In fact, I don't think I ever got a good
installation of J-Say.
Now, I will dictate an entire document, such as this e-mail message, and
then go back and proofread it with speech off. I never used the JAWS
cursor
for anything. When I find a word that is wrong, I tend to highlight the
word
and then press F10. That brings up a dialog box which, initially, contains
an edit field. If you know how to spell the correct word, just type it in
and hit enter.
If you don't, hit tab and then arrow up and down through the choices. Once
you have identified the term which is most appropriate, you can either hit
enter or hit tab to times to the okay button. I hope this helps.
Go to top



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Robert Logue
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 4:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hi.

Please. What settings below work best with Jaws with and without J-Tools
or
J-Say?
Jaws 12, DNS Premium 11.5, Win XP MCE.

It would be very good to have comments and information on how each item
and
choice below effects the basic functionality of Jaws without special
scripts. Then, how the same settings effect J-Tools and J-Say.

I don't have J-Tools or J-Say yet. Sometimes I can work the spelling
dialog
with the Jaws cursor but I have some difficulty knowing when the dialog
appears.Also have some trouble with the main standard Dragon toolbar.
There is a "microphone buttonbutton" that doesn't appear to activate, no
matter how I do it with spacebar or enter. I do have DNS set to start
with
the microphone ready to turn on by voice but sometimes I need to use the
toolbar or the system tray. Sometimes the system tray microphone button
won't activate and doesn't turn on the microphone. It's also a lot of
messing around. I could set up DNS hot keys but don't want to conflict
with
Jaws or the scripts if and when I get them. Suggestions for hotkey
combinations also welcome.

Even switching focus to the Dragon bar is a bit confusing because Jaws
doesn't say a thing and I always have to press tab once to get to that
button.

I've written to the Jaws list first as I don't have the scripts so far.
Hope this is ok.


Options
View

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OnlyShow messagesShow extrasResults BoxAnchor Auto-hide delay:Show
preliminary results 10 secondsBeep after recognitionRestore defaultsOK
Cancel Apply Help OptionsCorrection "Select" commands bring up Correction
menu"Select" commands search backwards"Correct" commands bring up Spelling
Window"Spell" commands bring up Spelling WindowAutomatically add words to
the active vocabularyAutomatic playback on correctionCorrection MenuShow
only the choicesAnchorEnable double-click to correctShow no more than 9
choicesRestore defaultsOK Cancel Apply Help


Nuts! Outlook Expressed removed all the paragraphs when I copied the text
from Jarte. So,that may be a bit hard to read.


Bob



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Re: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello there;

Folks who are using windows7,
Can use the speech recognition feature,
After training you can do, send email,
Create and save documents, etc,
I have tried this, and it does work with a little patience.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:38 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hi thanks for the info. So as I understand, you do the initial
training and then after that does it train itself and improve as you
use it? I suppose it creates some files someware with the info it
learned while you used it, if lets say you install it on another
machine or format your machine, can you easally transfer the files
back or do you have to start training it from scratch. I agree with
you FS should focus more on feetures that people use for work, if I
want damm sport scors I just google it, don't think I ever used
research it after checking it out once.

On 9/6/11, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...> wrote:
Nickus:
I think it works pretty well with JAWS right out of the box (no scripts),
provided (i) you get the settings right (and that may take a little
tinkering) and (ii) you get sighted assistance for 15 to 30 minutes to
help
with the training. J-SAY breaks up the training into little phrases that
you
can repeat immediately after JAWS says the phrases (like repeating wedding
vows at a typical U.S. wedding). Without J-SAY, training is a bear. If,
however, you can sit pretty far from the screen, get someone to read what
is
on the screen softly, and use a decent noise-canceling headset microphone
when you read into the computer, you'll be fine. To train it, you have to
read a short essay.
As for the "Is it worth it," that's a hard one to answer. It is amazingly
accurate. I think 95% is stretching a little. I would say it averages an
error every 5 lines. If you don't screw-up and leave the microphone on
while you are talking on the phone or to someone else, it does get better
and better. The very act of correcting it really is teaching it. You
shouldn't trust either the voice "stop listening" command or the mute
button. Instead, use the keystroke to shut off the microphone.
As for the licensing, I'm not really sure. I only have it on my laptop,
which I carry back and forth to work. I part with my laptop only when
sleeping and showering, and sometimes ... <SMILE>
Probably the biggest drawback for blind users is something, the last time
I
checked, J-SAY had not fixed, and that is homonyms. It is pretty good
about
the most common homonyms like to, two, and too or their, there, and
they're.
For more obscure ones like discreet and discrete, Naturally Speaking is
challenged. Moreover, if it sounded above like I just typed the same word
or
words multiple times, then you know how challenging it is for a blind
person
to catch homonyms.
With Window-Eyes, I created a special homonyms dictionary, which I could
load when I wanted to proof something. It would say and spell the word.
I haven't figured out how to do that with JAWS (I can manually create the
entries in a dictionary (speech settings file), but I cannot swap it in
and
out, and keeping it running all the time is too annoying.) I've suggested
to Freedom Scientific that, in Text Analyzer, an option be added so that
one
could hear (not here) homonyms. Note, with my homonyms dictionary idea,
if
I needed to know about the homonyms, the last phrase would have said hear
h
e eigh r and here h e r e.
So far, I've heard nothing from Freedom Scientific.
For me, having a feature like that is more important and more jobs related
than is, for example, getting the Red Sox scores on Research It, but I
know
Eric is a Red Sox fan. <SMILE>


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 4:27 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hi guys. I just recently heard about dragon and wanted to ask some
questions. Based on these posts I gather it works with jaws so there
goes my first question, just not sure does it work with or without
scripts? Well second thing, is it really worth the money, is it really
very accurate I think they clame 95% or something and last thing can I
install it on my desktop and laptop or would I have to buy 2 licences?

On 9/6/11, Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...> wrote:
Does it give you feedback of what you've written as your saying it or do
you
have to wait until the end of reading your document to then review it?

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:13 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hello:
I am writing this e-mail message using Dragon NaturallySpeaking.
One of the most important things to do in Naturally Speaking is to get
rid
of the Dragon bar. Actually, the setting is to confine the Dragon bar to
the
system tray. Other than to exit Naturally Speaking, I will rarely use the
Dragon Bar.
The next most important setting is to set up hotkeys. For example, I set
Shift Plus F-11 to turn the microphone on and off. I use the pause key
temporarily to silence the microphone.
None of these keys will conflict. In fact, if you buy J-Say, certain
Dragon
hotkeys will be suggested, but you can use anything you like. Don't worry
about conflicts.
If you have a good headset microphone which is noise canceling, and if
you
can get a little cited assistance to help you through the training, you
really do not need J-Say or J-Tools. I actually own J-Say, but I stopped
using it and uninstalled it. It tended to mess up JAWS, and the
installation
package was not ready for prime time.
It was particularly problematic to install in a corporate environment
with
heavy duty security settings. In fact, I don't think I ever got a good
installation of J-Say.
Now, I will dictate an entire document, such as this e-mail message, and
then go back and proofread it with speech off. I never used the JAWS
cursor
for anything. When I find a word that is wrong, I tend to highlight the
word
and then press F10. That brings up a dialog box which, initially,
contains
an edit field. If you know how to spell the correct word, just type it in
and hit enter.
If you don't, hit tab and then arrow up and down through the choices.
Once
you have identified the term which is most appropriate, you can either
hit
enter or hit tab to times to the okay button. I hope this helps.
Go to top



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Robert Logue
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 4:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hi.

Please. What settings below work best with Jaws with and without J-Tools
or
J-Say?
Jaws 12, DNS Premium 11.5, Win XP MCE.

It would be very good to have comments and information on how each item
and
choice below effects the basic functionality of Jaws without special
scripts. Then, how the same settings effect J-Tools and J-Say.

I don't have J-Tools or J-Say yet. Sometimes I can work the spelling
dialog
with the Jaws cursor but I have some difficulty knowing when the dialog
appears.Also have some trouble with the main standard Dragon toolbar.
There is a "microphone buttonbutton" that doesn't appear to activate, no
matter how I do it with spacebar or enter. I do have DNS set to start
with
the microphone ready to turn on by voice but sometimes I need to use the
toolbar or the system tray. Sometimes the system tray microphone button
won't activate and doesn't turn on the microphone. It's also a lot of
messing around. I could set up DNS hot keys but don't want to conflict
with
Jaws or the scripts if and when I get them. Suggestions for hotkey
combinations also welcome.

Even switching focus to the Dragon bar is a bit confusing because Jaws
doesn't say a thing and I always have to press tab once to get to that
button.

I've written to the Jaws list first as I don't have the scripts so far.
Hope this is ok.


Options
View

DragonBarPreview: Mode:Docked to TopDocked to BottomFloatingClingTray
Icon
OnlyShow messagesShow extrasResults BoxAnchor Auto-hide delay:Show
preliminary results 10 secondsBeep after recognitionRestore defaultsOK
Cancel Apply Help OptionsCorrection "Select" commands bring up Correction
menu"Select" commands search backwards"Correct" commands bring up
Spelling
Window"Spell" commands bring up Spelling WindowAutomatically add words to
the active vocabularyAutomatic playback on correctionCorrection MenuShow
only the choicesAnchorEnable double-click to correctShow no more than 9
choicesRestore defaultsOK Cancel Apply Help


Nuts! Outlook Expressed removed all the paragraphs when I copied the
text
from Jarte. So,that may be a bit hard to read.


Bob



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Re: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

Hi thanks for the info. So as I understand, you do the initial
training and then after that does it train itself and improve as you
use it? I suppose it creates some files someware with the info it
learned while you used it, if lets say you install it on another
machine or format your machine, can you easally transfer the files
back or do you have to start training it from scratch. I agree with
you FS should focus more on feetures that people use for work, if I
want damm sport scors I just google it, don't think I ever used
research it after checking it out once.

On 9/6/11, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...> wrote:
Nickus:
I think it works pretty well with JAWS right out of the box (no scripts),
provided (i) you get the settings right (and that may take a little
tinkering) and (ii) you get sighted assistance for 15 to 30 minutes to help
with the training. J-SAY breaks up the training into little phrases that you
can repeat immediately after JAWS says the phrases (like repeating wedding
vows at a typical U.S. wedding). Without J-SAY, training is a bear. If,
however, you can sit pretty far from the screen, get someone to read what is
on the screen softly, and use a decent noise-canceling headset microphone
when you read into the computer, you'll be fine. To train it, you have to
read a short essay.
As for the "Is it worth it," that's a hard one to answer. It is amazingly
accurate. I think 95% is stretching a little. I would say it averages an
error every 5 lines. If you don't screw-up and leave the microphone on
while you are talking on the phone or to someone else, it does get better
and better. The very act of correcting it really is teaching it. You
shouldn't trust either the voice "stop listening" command or the mute
button. Instead, use the keystroke to shut off the microphone.
As for the licensing, I'm not really sure. I only have it on my laptop,
which I carry back and forth to work. I part with my laptop only when
sleeping and showering, and sometimes ... <SMILE>
Probably the biggest drawback for blind users is something, the last time I
checked, J-SAY had not fixed, and that is homonyms. It is pretty good about
the most common homonyms like to, two, and too or their, there, and they're.
For more obscure ones like discreet and discrete, Naturally Speaking is
challenged. Moreover, if it sounded above like I just typed the same word or
words multiple times, then you know how challenging it is for a blind person
to catch homonyms.
With Window-Eyes, I created a special homonyms dictionary, which I could
load when I wanted to proof something. It would say and spell the word.
I haven't figured out how to do that with JAWS (I can manually create the
entries in a dictionary (speech settings file), but I cannot swap it in and
out, and keeping it running all the time is too annoying.) I've suggested
to Freedom Scientific that, in Text Analyzer, an option be added so that one
could hear (not here) homonyms. Note, with my homonyms dictionary idea, if
I needed to know about the homonyms, the last phrase would have said hear h
e eigh r and here h e r e.
So far, I've heard nothing from Freedom Scientific.
For me, having a feature like that is more important and more jobs related
than is, for example, getting the Red Sox scores on Research It, but I know
Eric is a Red Sox fan. <SMILE>


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 4:27 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hi guys. I just recently heard about dragon and wanted to ask some
questions. Based on these posts I gather it works with jaws so there
goes my first question, just not sure does it work with or without
scripts? Well second thing, is it really worth the money, is it really
very accurate I think they clame 95% or something and last thing can I
install it on my desktop and laptop or would I have to buy 2 licences?

On 9/6/11, Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...> wrote:
Does it give you feedback of what you've written as your saying it or do
you
have to wait until the end of reading your document to then review it?

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:13 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hello:
I am writing this e-mail message using Dragon NaturallySpeaking.
One of the most important things to do in Naturally Speaking is to get rid
of the Dragon bar. Actually, the setting is to confine the Dragon bar to
the
system tray. Other than to exit Naturally Speaking, I will rarely use the
Dragon Bar.
The next most important setting is to set up hotkeys. For example, I set
Shift Plus F-11 to turn the microphone on and off. I use the pause key
temporarily to silence the microphone.
None of these keys will conflict. In fact, if you buy J-Say, certain
Dragon
hotkeys will be suggested, but you can use anything you like. Don't worry
about conflicts.
If you have a good headset microphone which is noise canceling, and if you
can get a little cited assistance to help you through the training, you
really do not need J-Say or J-Tools. I actually own J-Say, but I stopped
using it and uninstalled it. It tended to mess up JAWS, and the
installation
package was not ready for prime time.
It was particularly problematic to install in a corporate environment with
heavy duty security settings. In fact, I don't think I ever got a good
installation of J-Say.
Now, I will dictate an entire document, such as this e-mail message, and
then go back and proofread it with speech off. I never used the JAWS
cursor
for anything. When I find a word that is wrong, I tend to highlight the
word
and then press F10. That brings up a dialog box which, initially, contains
an edit field. If you know how to spell the correct word, just type it in
and hit enter.
If you don't, hit tab and then arrow up and down through the choices. Once
you have identified the term which is most appropriate, you can either hit
enter or hit tab to times to the okay button. I hope this helps.
Go to top



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Robert Logue
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 4:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hi.

Please. What settings below work best with Jaws with and without J-Tools
or
J-Say?
Jaws 12, DNS Premium 11.5, Win XP MCE.

It would be very good to have comments and information on how each item
and
choice below effects the basic functionality of Jaws without special
scripts. Then, how the same settings effect J-Tools and J-Say.

I don't have J-Tools or J-Say yet. Sometimes I can work the spelling
dialog
with the Jaws cursor but I have some difficulty knowing when the dialog
appears.Also have some trouble with the main standard Dragon toolbar.
There is a "microphone buttonbutton" that doesn't appear to activate, no
matter how I do it with spacebar or enter. I do have DNS set to start
with
the microphone ready to turn on by voice but sometimes I need to use the
toolbar or the system tray. Sometimes the system tray microphone button
won't activate and doesn't turn on the microphone. It's also a lot of
messing around. I could set up DNS hot keys but don't want to conflict
with
Jaws or the scripts if and when I get them. Suggestions for hotkey
combinations also welcome.

Even switching focus to the Dragon bar is a bit confusing because Jaws
doesn't say a thing and I always have to press tab once to get to that
button.

I've written to the Jaws list first as I don't have the scripts so far.
Hope this is ok.


Options
View

DragonBarPreview: Mode:Docked to TopDocked to BottomFloatingClingTray Icon
OnlyShow messagesShow extrasResults BoxAnchor Auto-hide delay:Show
preliminary results 10 secondsBeep after recognitionRestore defaultsOK
Cancel Apply Help OptionsCorrection "Select" commands bring up Correction
menu"Select" commands search backwards"Correct" commands bring up Spelling
Window"Spell" commands bring up Spelling WindowAutomatically add words to
the active vocabularyAutomatic playback on correctionCorrection MenuShow
only the choicesAnchorEnable double-click to correctShow no more than 9
choicesRestore defaultsOK Cancel Apply Help


Nuts! Outlook Expressed removed all the paragraphs when I copied the text
from Jarte. So,that may be a bit hard to read.


Bob



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Re: c cleaner and Jaws 11

Mike & Barbara <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Brian, Jim & peter,

When trying to make changes in cleaner / registry , cleaning/ scanning
options these are the checkboxes that I could never get Jaws to read if they
are checked or not as I arrowed down through them. I went as far as
attempting to label the graphics, & that didn't help either. In looking
through CCleaner, cleaning / scanning options, these are the only checkboxes
there are, except for making changes in tools,options, & settings.
Everything else uses buttons. In order to save myself some time, when
setting CCleaner up on other computers, after getting CCleaner the way I
wanted it on the first computer, I copied the, ccleaner.ini , file and
pasted it into the CCleaner folder in Program Files located in root of the C
drive of our other computers. Now all the computers have CCleaner working
the same & didn't have to spend all that time configuring CCleaner on each
computer separately. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Holdstock
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: c cleaner and Jaws 11


When you say work fine you mean that as you move down the list of items
jaws
says whether it is checked or unchecked without you having to press space
bar to see how it changes? I've tried it on several PCs and have the same
issue.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Hansen
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 3:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: c cleaner and Jaws 11

That's interesting, because I'm using the current version of CCleaner and
the latest version of JFW 12, and the check marks work just fine for me.

Blessings,

Brian


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Mike & Barbara
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 5:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: c cleaner and Jaws 11

Hi Jim,

Unfortunately, that is the way it is for all Jaws versions with any
version
of CCleaner, at least, that is what I have experienced. CCleaner is
updated

regularly, but the situation doesn't improve. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim L
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 11:43 PM
Subject: c cleaner and Jaws 11


Heya folks,

What is the best version of C Cleaner that works well with Jaws 11?
I've noticed the latest version check boxes aren't spoken automatically
and
one has to double check every item to know either way which becomes so
tiresome.

cheers,

Jim
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Re: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Nickus:
I think it works pretty well with JAWS right out of the box (no scripts), provided (i) you get the settings right (and that may take a little tinkering) and (ii) you get sighted assistance for 15 to 30 minutes to help with the training. J-SAY breaks up the training into little phrases that you can repeat immediately after JAWS says the phrases (like repeating wedding vows at a typical U.S. wedding). Without J-SAY, training is a bear. If, however, you can sit pretty far from the screen, get someone to read what is on the screen softly, and use a decent noise-canceling headset microphone when you read into the computer, you'll be fine. To train it, you have to read a short essay.
As for the "Is it worth it," that's a hard one to answer. It is amazingly accurate. I think 95% is stretching a little. I would say it averages an error every 5 lines. If you don't screw-up and leave the microphone on while you are talking on the phone or to someone else, it does get better and better. The very act of correcting it really is teaching it. You shouldn't trust either the voice "stop listening" command or the mute button. Instead, use the keystroke to shut off the microphone.
As for the licensing, I'm not really sure. I only have it on my laptop, which I carry back and forth to work. I part with my laptop only when sleeping and showering, and sometimes ... <SMILE>
Probably the biggest drawback for blind users is something, the last time I checked, J-SAY had not fixed, and that is homonyms. It is pretty good about the most common homonyms like to, two, and too or their, there, and they're.
For more obscure ones like discreet and discrete, Naturally Speaking is challenged. Moreover, if it sounded above like I just typed the same word or words multiple times, then you know how challenging it is for a blind person to catch homonyms.
With Window-Eyes, I created a special homonyms dictionary, which I could load when I wanted to proof something. It would say and spell the word.
I haven't figured out how to do that with JAWS (I can manually create the entries in a dictionary (speech settings file), but I cannot swap it in and out, and keeping it running all the time is too annoying.) I've suggested to Freedom Scientific that, in Text Analyzer, an option be added so that one could hear (not here) homonyms. Note, with my homonyms dictionary idea, if I needed to know about the homonyms, the last phrase would have said hear h e eigh r and here h e r e.
So far, I've heard nothing from Freedom Scientific.
For me, having a feature like that is more important and more jobs related than is, for example, getting the Red Sox scores on Research It, but I know Eric is a Red Sox fan. <SMILE>

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 4:27 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hi guys. I just recently heard about dragon and wanted to ask some
questions. Based on these posts I gather it works with jaws so there
goes my first question, just not sure does it work with or without
scripts? Well second thing, is it really worth the money, is it really
very accurate I think they clame 95% or something and last thing can I
install it on my desktop and laptop or would I have to buy 2 licences?

On 9/6/11, Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...> wrote:
Does it give you feedback of what you've written as your saying it or do you
have to wait until the end of reading your document to then review it?

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:13 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hello:
I am writing this e-mail message using Dragon NaturallySpeaking.
One of the most important things to do in Naturally Speaking is to get rid
of the Dragon bar. Actually, the setting is to confine the Dragon bar to the
system tray. Other than to exit Naturally Speaking, I will rarely use the
Dragon Bar.
The next most important setting is to set up hotkeys. For example, I set
Shift Plus F-11 to turn the microphone on and off. I use the pause key
temporarily to silence the microphone.
None of these keys will conflict. In fact, if you buy J-Say, certain Dragon
hotkeys will be suggested, but you can use anything you like. Don't worry
about conflicts.
If you have a good headset microphone which is noise canceling, and if you
can get a little cited assistance to help you through the training, you
really do not need J-Say or J-Tools. I actually own J-Say, but I stopped
using it and uninstalled it. It tended to mess up JAWS, and the installation
package was not ready for prime time.
It was particularly problematic to install in a corporate environment with
heavy duty security settings. In fact, I don't think I ever got a good
installation of J-Say.
Now, I will dictate an entire document, such as this e-mail message, and
then go back and proofread it with speech off. I never used the JAWS cursor
for anything. When I find a word that is wrong, I tend to highlight the word
and then press F10. That brings up a dialog box which, initially, contains
an edit field. If you know how to spell the correct word, just type it in
and hit enter.
If you don't, hit tab and then arrow up and down through the choices. Once
you have identified the term which is most appropriate, you can either hit
enter or hit tab to times to the okay button. I hope this helps.
Go to top



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Robert Logue
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 4:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hi.

Please. What settings below work best with Jaws with and without J-Tools or
J-Say?
Jaws 12, DNS Premium 11.5, Win XP MCE.

It would be very good to have comments and information on how each item and
choice below effects the basic functionality of Jaws without special
scripts. Then, how the same settings effect J-Tools and J-Say.

I don't have J-Tools or J-Say yet. Sometimes I can work the spelling dialog
with the Jaws cursor but I have some difficulty knowing when the dialog
appears.Also have some trouble with the main standard Dragon toolbar.
There is a "microphone buttonbutton" that doesn't appear to activate, no
matter how I do it with spacebar or enter. I do have DNS set to start with
the microphone ready to turn on by voice but sometimes I need to use the
toolbar or the system tray. Sometimes the system tray microphone button
won't activate and doesn't turn on the microphone. It's also a lot of
messing around. I could set up DNS hot keys but don't want to conflict with
Jaws or the scripts if and when I get them. Suggestions for hotkey
combinations also welcome.

Even switching focus to the Dragon bar is a bit confusing because Jaws
doesn't say a thing and I always have to press tab once to get to that
button.

I've written to the Jaws list first as I don't have the scripts so far.
Hope this is ok.


Options
View

DragonBarPreview: Mode:Docked to TopDocked to BottomFloatingClingTray Icon
OnlyShow messagesShow extrasResults BoxAnchor Auto-hide delay:Show
preliminary results 10 secondsBeep after recognitionRestore defaultsOK
Cancel Apply Help OptionsCorrection "Select" commands bring up Correction
menu"Select" commands search backwards"Correct" commands bring up Spelling
Window"Spell" commands bring up Spelling WindowAutomatically add words to
the active vocabularyAutomatic playback on correctionCorrection MenuShow
only the choicesAnchorEnable double-click to correctShow no more than 9
choicesRestore defaultsOK Cancel Apply Help


Nuts! Outlook Expressed removed all the paragraphs when I copied the text
from Jarte. So,that may be a bit hard to read.


Bob



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Re: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

There might be a way to make JAWS enunciate back what one has just dictated. I know J-SAY works that way. That, however, just tended to slow me down. Having spent years dictating into a Dictaphone where, to review, one had to press rewind, I don't mind not getting immediate feedback while I'm dictating. Besides, with JAWS, I can review a line at a time with up arrow or sentence at a time with Alt plus up arrow.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 1:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Does it give you feedback of what you've written as your saying it or do you
have to wait until the end of reading your document to then review it?

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:13 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hello:
I am writing this e-mail message using Dragon NaturallySpeaking.
One of the most important things to do in Naturally Speaking is to get rid
of the Dragon bar. Actually, the setting is to confine the Dragon bar to the
system tray. Other than to exit Naturally Speaking, I will rarely use the
Dragon Bar.
The next most important setting is to set up hotkeys. For example, I set
Shift Plus F-11 to turn the microphone on and off. I use the pause key
temporarily to silence the microphone.
None of these keys will conflict. In fact, if you buy J-Say, certain Dragon
hotkeys will be suggested, but you can use anything you like. Don't worry
about conflicts.
If you have a good headset microphone which is noise canceling, and if you
can get a little cited assistance to help you through the training, you
really do not need J-Say or J-Tools. I actually own J-Say, but I stopped
using it and uninstalled it. It tended to mess up JAWS, and the installation
package was not ready for prime time.
It was particularly problematic to install in a corporate environment with
heavy duty security settings. In fact, I don't think I ever got a good
installation of J-Say.
Now, I will dictate an entire document, such as this e-mail message, and
then go back and proofread it with speech off. I never used the JAWS cursor
for anything. When I find a word that is wrong, I tend to highlight the word
and then press F10. That brings up a dialog box which, initially, contains
an edit field. If you know how to spell the correct word, just type it in
and hit enter.
If you don't, hit tab and then arrow up and down through the choices. Once
you have identified the term which is most appropriate, you can either hit
enter or hit tab to times to the okay button. I hope this helps.
Go to top



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Robert Logue
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 4:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hi.

Please. What settings below work best with Jaws with and without J-Tools or
J-Say?
Jaws 12, DNS Premium 11.5, Win XP MCE.

It would be very good to have comments and information on how each item and
choice below effects the basic functionality of Jaws without special
scripts. Then, how the same settings effect J-Tools and J-Say.

I don't have J-Tools or J-Say yet. Sometimes I can work the spelling dialog
with the Jaws cursor but I have some difficulty knowing when the dialog
appears.Also have some trouble with the main standard Dragon toolbar.
There is a "microphone buttonbutton" that doesn't appear to activate, no
matter how I do it with spacebar or enter. I do have DNS set to start with
the microphone ready to turn on by voice but sometimes I need to use the
toolbar or the system tray. Sometimes the system tray microphone button
won't activate and doesn't turn on the microphone. It's also a lot of
messing around. I could set up DNS hot keys but don't want to conflict with
Jaws or the scripts if and when I get them. Suggestions for hotkey
combinations also welcome.

Even switching focus to the Dragon bar is a bit confusing because Jaws
doesn't say a thing and I always have to press tab once to get to that
button.

I've written to the Jaws list first as I don't have the scripts so far.
Hope this is ok.


Options
View

DragonBarPreview: Mode:Docked to TopDocked to BottomFloatingClingTray Icon
OnlyShow messagesShow extrasResults BoxAnchor Auto-hide delay:Show
preliminary results 10 secondsBeep after recognitionRestore defaultsOK
Cancel Apply Help OptionsCorrection "Select" commands bring up Correction
menu"Select" commands search backwards"Correct" commands bring up Spelling
Window"Spell" commands bring up Spelling WindowAutomatically add words to
the active vocabularyAutomatic playback on correctionCorrection MenuShow
only the choicesAnchorEnable double-click to correctShow no more than 9
choicesRestore defaultsOK Cancel Apply Help


Nuts! Outlook Expressed removed all the paragraphs when I copied the text
from Jarte. So,that may be a bit hard to read.


Bob



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Re: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

Hi guys. I just recently heard about dragon and wanted to ask some
questions. Based on these posts I gather it works with jaws so there
goes my first question, just not sure does it work with or without
scripts? Well second thing, is it really worth the money, is it really
very accurate I think they clame 95% or something and last thing can I
install it on my desktop and laptop or would I have to buy 2 licences?

On 9/6/11, Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...> wrote:
Does it give you feedback of what you've written as your saying it or do you
have to wait until the end of reading your document to then review it?

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:13 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hello:
I am writing this e-mail message using Dragon NaturallySpeaking.
One of the most important things to do in Naturally Speaking is to get rid
of the Dragon bar. Actually, the setting is to confine the Dragon bar to the
system tray. Other than to exit Naturally Speaking, I will rarely use the
Dragon Bar.
The next most important setting is to set up hotkeys. For example, I set
Shift Plus F-11 to turn the microphone on and off. I use the pause key
temporarily to silence the microphone.
None of these keys will conflict. In fact, if you buy J-Say, certain Dragon
hotkeys will be suggested, but you can use anything you like. Don't worry
about conflicts.
If you have a good headset microphone which is noise canceling, and if you
can get a little cited assistance to help you through the training, you
really do not need J-Say or J-Tools. I actually own J-Say, but I stopped
using it and uninstalled it. It tended to mess up JAWS, and the installation
package was not ready for prime time.
It was particularly problematic to install in a corporate environment with
heavy duty security settings. In fact, I don't think I ever got a good
installation of J-Say.
Now, I will dictate an entire document, such as this e-mail message, and
then go back and proofread it with speech off. I never used the JAWS cursor
for anything. When I find a word that is wrong, I tend to highlight the word
and then press F10. That brings up a dialog box which, initially, contains
an edit field. If you know how to spell the correct word, just type it in
and hit enter.
If you don't, hit tab and then arrow up and down through the choices. Once
you have identified the term which is most appropriate, you can either hit
enter or hit tab to times to the okay button. I hope this helps.
Go to top



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Robert Logue
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 4:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hi.

Please. What settings below work best with Jaws with and without J-Tools or
J-Say?
Jaws 12, DNS Premium 11.5, Win XP MCE.

It would be very good to have comments and information on how each item and
choice below effects the basic functionality of Jaws without special
scripts. Then, how the same settings effect J-Tools and J-Say.

I don't have J-Tools or J-Say yet. Sometimes I can work the spelling dialog
with the Jaws cursor but I have some difficulty knowing when the dialog
appears.Also have some trouble with the main standard Dragon toolbar.
There is a "microphone buttonbutton" that doesn't appear to activate, no
matter how I do it with spacebar or enter. I do have DNS set to start with
the microphone ready to turn on by voice but sometimes I need to use the
toolbar or the system tray. Sometimes the system tray microphone button
won't activate and doesn't turn on the microphone. It's also a lot of
messing around. I could set up DNS hot keys but don't want to conflict with
Jaws or the scripts if and when I get them. Suggestions for hotkey
combinations also welcome.

Even switching focus to the Dragon bar is a bit confusing because Jaws
doesn't say a thing and I always have to press tab once to get to that
button.

I've written to the Jaws list first as I don't have the scripts so far.
Hope this is ok.


Options
View

DragonBarPreview: Mode:Docked to TopDocked to BottomFloatingClingTray Icon
OnlyShow messagesShow extrasResults BoxAnchor Auto-hide delay:Show
preliminary results 10 secondsBeep after recognitionRestore defaultsOK
Cancel Apply Help OptionsCorrection "Select" commands bring up Correction
menu"Select" commands search backwards"Correct" commands bring up Spelling
Window"Spell" commands bring up Spelling WindowAutomatically add words to
the active vocabularyAutomatic playback on correctionCorrection MenuShow
only the choicesAnchorEnable double-click to correctShow no more than 9
choicesRestore defaultsOK Cancel Apply Help


Nuts! Outlook Expressed removed all the paragraphs when I copied the text
from Jarte. So,that may be a bit hard to read.


Bob



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Re: c cleaner and Jaws 11

Jim L
 

Yes that's what I mean

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock
Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011 2:31 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: c cleaner and Jaws 11


When you say work fine you mean that as you move down the list of items jaws

says whether it is checked or unchecked without you having to press space
bar to see how it changes? I've tried it on several PCs and have the same
issue.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Hansen
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 3:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: c cleaner and Jaws 11

That's interesting, because I'm using the current version of CCleaner and
the latest version of JFW 12, and the check marks work just fine for me.

Blessings,

Brian


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Mike & Barbara
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 5:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: c cleaner and Jaws 11

Hi Jim,

Unfortunately, that is the way it is for all Jaws versions with any version
of CCleaner, at least, that is what I have experienced. CCleaner is updated

regularly, but the situation doesn't improve. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim L
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 11:43 PM
Subject: c cleaner and Jaws 11


Heya folks,

What is the best version of C Cleaner that works well with Jaws 11?
I've noticed the latest version check boxes aren't spoken automatically
and
one has to double check every item to know either way which becomes so
tiresome.

cheers,

Jim
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Re: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...>
 

Does it give you feedback of what you've written as your saying it or do you have to wait until the end of reading your document to then review it?

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:13 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hello:
I am writing this e-mail message using Dragon NaturallySpeaking.
One of the most important things to do in Naturally Speaking is to get rid of the Dragon bar. Actually, the setting is to confine the Dragon bar to the system tray. Other than to exit Naturally Speaking, I will rarely use the Dragon Bar.
The next most important setting is to set up hotkeys. For example, I set Shift Plus F-11 to turn the microphone on and off. I use the pause key temporarily to silence the microphone.
None of these keys will conflict. In fact, if you buy J-Say, certain Dragon hotkeys will be suggested, but you can use anything you like. Don't worry about conflicts.
If you have a good headset microphone which is noise canceling, and if you can get a little cited assistance to help you through the training, you really do not need J-Say or J-Tools. I actually own J-Say, but I stopped using it and uninstalled it. It tended to mess up JAWS, and the installation package was not ready for prime time.
It was particularly problematic to install in a corporate environment with heavy duty security settings. In fact, I don't think I ever got a good installation of J-Say.
Now, I will dictate an entire document, such as this e-mail message, and then go back and proofread it with speech off. I never used the JAWS cursor for anything. When I find a word that is wrong, I tend to highlight the word and then press F10. That brings up a dialog box which, initially, contains an edit field. If you know how to spell the correct word, just type it in and hit enter.
If you don't, hit tab and then arrow up and down through the choices. Once you have identified the term which is most appropriate, you can either hit enter or hit tab to times to the okay button. I hope this helps.
Go to top



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Robert Logue
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 4:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Jaws 12 with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 11.5

Hi.

Please. What settings below work best with Jaws with and without J-Tools or
J-Say?
Jaws 12, DNS Premium 11.5, Win XP MCE.

It would be very good to have comments and information on how each item and
choice below effects the basic functionality of Jaws without special
scripts. Then, how the same settings effect J-Tools and J-Say.

I don't have J-Tools or J-Say yet. Sometimes I can work the spelling dialog
with the Jaws cursor but I have some difficulty knowing when the dialog
appears.Also have some trouble with the main standard Dragon toolbar.
There is a "microphone buttonbutton" that doesn't appear to activate, no
matter how I do it with spacebar or enter. I do have DNS set to start with
the microphone ready to turn on by voice but sometimes I need to use the
toolbar or the system tray. Sometimes the system tray microphone button
won't activate and doesn't turn on the microphone. It's also a lot of
messing around. I could set up DNS hot keys but don't want to conflict with
Jaws or the scripts if and when I get them. Suggestions for hotkey
combinations also welcome.

Even switching focus to the Dragon bar is a bit confusing because Jaws
doesn't say a thing and I always have to press tab once to get to that
button.

I've written to the Jaws list first as I don't have the scripts so far.
Hope this is ok.


Options
View

DragonBarPreview: Mode:Docked to TopDocked to BottomFloatingClingTray Icon
OnlyShow messagesShow extrasResults BoxAnchor Auto-hide delay:Show
preliminary results 10 secondsBeep after recognitionRestore defaultsOK
Cancel Apply Help OptionsCorrection "Select" commands bring up Correction
menu"Select" commands search backwards"Correct" commands bring up Spelling
Window"Spell" commands bring up Spelling WindowAutomatically add words to
the active vocabularyAutomatic playback on correctionCorrection MenuShow
only the choicesAnchorEnable double-click to correctShow no more than 9
choicesRestore defaultsOK Cancel Apply Help


Nuts! Outlook Expressed removed all the paragraphs when I copied the text
from Jarte. So,that may be a bit hard to read.


Bob



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Re: c cleaner and Jaws 11

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When you say work fine you mean that as you move down the list of items jaws says whether it is checked or unchecked without you having to press space bar to see how it changes? I've tried it on several PCs and have the same issue.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Hansen
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 3:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: c cleaner and Jaws 11

That's interesting, because I'm using the current version of CCleaner and
the latest version of JFW 12, and the check marks work just fine for me.

Blessings,

Brian


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On Behalf Of Mike & Barbara
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 5:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: c cleaner and Jaws 11

Hi Jim,

Unfortunately, that is the way it is for all Jaws versions with any version
of CCleaner, at least, that is what I have experienced. CCleaner is updated

regularly, but the situation doesn't improve. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim L
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 11:43 PM
Subject: c cleaner and Jaws 11


Heya folks,

What is the best version of C Cleaner that works well with Jaws 11?
I've noticed the latest version check boxes aren't spoken automatically
and
one has to double check every item to know either way which becomes so
tiresome.

cheers,

Jim
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Re: Annoying articulation of Mouse over

robert hebert <roberthebert@...>
 

Web site specific, thanks, that's very useful. I rather like these verbosity
settings menu.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: September-05-11 5:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Annoying articulation of Mouse over

Ed,
Mike's suggestion will turn off the mouse over announcement everywhere. I
like to handle this announcement as well as the detection of Flash on a web
site specific basis. When I'm on the page that is annoying me with these
announcements, I press Shift plus JAWS Key plus v to bring up my Verbosity
Menu. When you make the change this way, it is saved for that web site
only. I have actually found some instances of mouse over that conveyed
useful information. And, I certainly wouldn't want to be without Flash to
listen to those book samples on AUDIBLE.COM.

Gary King
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: Annoying articulation of Mouse over


Hi Ed,

For Jaws12, try the following to stop the mouse over from being announced;
1. Open the Settings Center, press control, shift, + D, for the default
for
all applications, & Alt + S, for the search box.
2. Type in, indicate element, & wait for a couple of seconds for the
results.
3. Arrow down to, indicate element attribute, & uncheck this box if it is
checked.
4. Tab to okay, press enter to save your changes & close.

Hope this helps. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Marquette, Ed
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 4:57 PM
Subject: Annoying articulation of Mouse over


I think I remember a thread on this subject, but it was a long, long time
ago.
When I go to Dictionary.Com (I wish Research-It used this reference tool
instead of the rather lame dictionary presently included), I encounter
repeated enunciation of "mouse over."
Can anyone tell me how to get rid of this?
I went to the Settings Center and typed in Mouse over. I got nothing.


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Re: Annoying articulation of Mouse over

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I believe there is a setting in the dictionary manager where you can replace
a word/character string with another word/character string. In this case,
replace "mouse over" by taping the space bar and I believe you will no
longer hear the words "mouse over."
However, make sure "mouse over" is not written as one word, such as
"mouseover" or of course, the dictionary will be unable to find your
character string. Hopefully with these later builds of Jaws, the dictionary
manager is application specific--I haven't used it in a while.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: September-05-11 4:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Annoying articulation of Mouse over

I think I remember a thread on this subject, but it was a long, long time
ago.
When I go to Dictionary.Com (I wish Research-It used this reference tool
instead of the rather lame dictionary presently included), I encounter
repeated enunciation of "mouse over."
Can anyone tell me how to get rid of this?
I went to the Settings Center and typed in Mouse over. I got nothing.


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Re: Cannot stop or start playing Winamp

 

Hi,
here are the commands:
* X: play.
* C/SPACE: play/pause.
* V: Stop.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of louis lucero
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 7:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Cannot stop or start playing Winamp

On 9/4/11, Kenny Peyatt <p.wildcat1234@...> wrote:
Hi I found out that if you need to upload a file as a attachment using
web based email you use the jaws cursor and navigate until you hear jaws
say browse then you hit the left mouse button Not a good solution but it
gets the job done.

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Hi all,

I am using Winamp and once it comes up playing I cannot figure out how
to pause it etc. Any key strokes for stop, play or pause would be
much appreciated!

Louis

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Cannot stop or start playing Winamp

louis lucero <louis.lucero@...>
 

On 9/4/11, Kenny Peyatt <p.wildcat1234@...> wrote:
Hi I found out that if you need to upload a file as a attachment using
web based email you use the jaws cursor and navigate until you hear jaws
say browse then you hit the left mouse button Not a good solution but it
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Hi all,

I am using Winamp and once it comes up playing I cannot figure out how
to pause it etc. Any key strokes for stop, play or pause would be
much appreciated!

Louis

Re: recomendation for backing up or copping a dvd

John Martyn
 

I personally use DVD decrypter and DVD shrink. For the more advanced DVD software with copy protection which I use to get the movie off so I can burn it without menus is AnyDVD. They are not the easiest of software to use with Jaws, but with the jaws cursor it works rather nicely.
John

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 2:33 AM
Subject: RE: recomendation for backing up or copping a dvd


I think what is simply called windows native is available, once I knew a
rnib computer and he did not ever use anything fancy only what he called
"windows native" ,others may know things much better as this was a few years
ago regards Dorothy

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On Behalf Of oscarcorella5@...
Sent: 03 September 2011 23:27
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Subject: recomendation for backing up or copping a dvd

hi, does anyone know of a program that works well with jaws for burning
dvds?
Preferably free?

thanks

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Re: c cleaner and Jaws 11

Brian Hansen <BC.Hansen23@...>
 

That's interesting, because I'm using the current version of CCleaner and
the latest version of JFW 12, and the check marks work just fine for me.

Blessings,

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Mike & Barbara
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 5:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: c cleaner and Jaws 11

Hi Jim,

Unfortunately, that is the way it is for all Jaws versions with any version
of CCleaner, at least, that is what I have experienced. CCleaner is updated

regularly, but the situation doesn't improve. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim L
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 11:43 PM
Subject: c cleaner and Jaws 11


Heya folks,

What is the best version of C Cleaner that works well with Jaws 11?
I've noticed the latest version check boxes aren't spoken automatically
and
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cheers,

Jim
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Re: downloading google books

daniel <gutz2020@...>
 

If you get a response please tell me!!! I'd like to know more about this!!!!