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Re: Jaws 13 out next week
Dave...
Holgar,
That's not a true beta test in the sense I mean. A true beta test is to have a team of internal Freedom Scientific power-users who are assigned specific features and test specific applications on a new platform, trying all sorts of combinations and permutations, then feeding the results back to the development team. This ensures that all aspects of the software, both new features and original features are tested to make sure they all play together. What FS does is actually a disservice to the customers, as it really says that they don't have the resources or patience to do all the necessary brute-force testing inside their walls. Instead they push out the product and hope that the general user population will somehow catch the bugs they could not. And in fact the testing done by the general public is not structured so not a chance that it will cover all the areas that need testing. I would expect that most of the public beta-so-called-testers are just users who want an early copy to try out and start using, and don't bother wringing out all the capabilities and combinations of applications for integrity. It's a lot like shooting craps, and hoping that you eventually cover all the possible bets in a single evening. Dave Carlson From my Dell Latitude 630.----- Original Message ----- From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 16:08 Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week when it comes out next week, just download it. play with it and report problems. The more people do so it will be better. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 6:04 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week Holger, I've been using JAWS since 3.30, how do I become a beta tester? Cheers Alex -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo Sent: 08 September 2011 23:58 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week I got that. I had been using jaws since it came out. I suggest for those who love complaining to be beta testers to help. Also if someone does not like the product purchase another program. -----Original Message----- From: Farfar on Laptop Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:49 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week Holgar, Because FS has a track record of breaking things that used to work, with each revision. Of course in addition to adding new features. But we can all hope. Dave Carlson From my Dell Latitude 630.----- Original Message ----- From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:43 Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week why do not wait before making any comments. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss you off. Cheers Alex -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of John Martyn Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my next project which I am not announcing yet. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?<http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201109 08/ed5b7576/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com Holger Fiallo Kind Regard _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com Holger Fiallo Kind Regard _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com Holger Fiallo Kind Regard _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week
Dave...
Holgar,
If I were a true beta tester the product would never get released. I'm too critical of flaws. And mind your sharp tongue, young man! There is no shame in pointing out flaws in a product, even if there is no other reasonable substitute. Dave Carlson From my Dell Latitude 630.----- Original Message ----- From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:58 Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week I got that. I had been using jaws since it came out. I suggest for those who love complaining to be beta testers to help. Also if someone does not like the product purchase another program. -----Original Message----- From: Farfar on Laptop Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:49 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week Holgar, Because FS has a track record of breaking things that used to work, with each revision. Of course in addition to adding new features. But we can all hope. Dave Carlson From my Dell Latitude 630.----- Original Message ----- From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:43 Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week why do not wait before making any comments. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss you off. Cheers Alex -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of John Martyn Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my next project which I am not announcing yet. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?<http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201109 08/ed5b7576/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com Holger Fiallo Kind Regard _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com Holger Fiallo Kind Regard _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week
don wardlow <wardlows97@...>
Will it be free to download and play with?
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I thought 13 would be one we had to pay for. I think beta-testing is a good idea. If my wife had let me beta-test her, I'd still be single! lol Don
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From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:08 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week when it comes out next week, just download it. play with it and report problems. The more people do so it will be better. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 6:04 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week Holger, I've been using JAWS since 3.30, how do I become a beta tester? Cheers Alex -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo Sent: 08 September 2011 23:58 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week I got that. I had been using jaws since it came out. I suggest for those who love complaining to be beta testers to help. Also if someone does not like the product purchase another program. -----Original Message----- From: Farfar on Laptop Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:49 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week Holgar, Because FS has a track record of breaking things that used to work, with each revision. Of course in addition to adding new features. But we can all hope. Dave Carlson From my Dell Latitude 630.----- Original Message ----- From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:43 Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week why do not wait before making any comments. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss you off. Cheers Alex -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of John Martyn Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my next project which I am not announcing yet. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?<http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201109 08/ed5b7576/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com Holger Fiallo Kind Regard _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com Holger Fiallo Kind Regard _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com Holger Fiallo Kind Regard _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week
Holger Fiallo <holgerfiallo@...>
when it comes out next week, just download it. play with it and report problems. The more people do so it will be better.
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From: Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 6:04 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week Holger, I've been using JAWS since 3.30, how do I become a beta tester? Cheers Alex -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo Sent: 08 September 2011 23:58 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week I got that. I had been using jaws since it came out. I suggest for those who love complaining to be beta testers to help. Also if someone does not like the product purchase another program. -----Original Message----- From: Farfar on Laptop Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:49 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week Holgar, Because FS has a track record of breaking things that used to work, with each revision. Of course in addition to adding new features. But we can all hope. Dave Carlson From my Dell Latitude 630.----- Original Message ----- From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:43 Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week why do not wait before making any comments. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss you off. Cheers Alex -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of John Martyn Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my next project which I am not announcing yet. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?<http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201109 08/ed5b7576/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com Holger Fiallo Kind Regard _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com Holger Fiallo Kind Regard _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com Holger Fiallo Kind Regard
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week
Alex Stone <alex.stone@...>
Holger, I've been using JAWS since 3.30, how do I become a beta tester?
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Cheers Alex
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From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo Sent: 08 September 2011 23:58 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week I got that. I had been using jaws since it came out. I suggest for those who love complaining to be beta testers to help. Also if someone does not like the product purchase another program. -----Original Message----- From: Farfar on Laptop Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:49 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week Holgar, Because FS has a track record of breaking things that used to work, with each revision. Of course in addition to adding new features. But we can all hope. Dave Carlson From my Dell Latitude 630.----- Original Message ----- From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:43 Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week why do not wait before making any comments. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss you off. Cheers Alex -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of John Martyn Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my next project which I am not announcing yet. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?<http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201109 08/ed5b7576/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com Holger Fiallo Kind Regard _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com Holger Fiallo Kind Regard _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week
Alex Stone <alex.stone@...>
Holger, I hate to say this, but I thought you were the person that brought
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it up. Why shouldn't people make comments? Cheers Alex
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From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo Sent: 08 September 2011 23:44 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week why do not wait before making any comments. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss you off. Cheers Alex -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of John Martyn Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my next project which I am not announcing yet. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?<http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201109 08/ed5b7576/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com Holger Fiallo Kind Regard _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week
Holger Fiallo <holgerfiallo@...>
I got that. I had been using jaws since it came out. I suggest for those who love complaining to be beta testers to help. Also if someone does not like the product purchase another program.
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From: Farfar on Laptop Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:49 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week Holgar, Because FS has a track record of breaking things that used to work, with each revision. Of course in addition to adding new features. But we can all hope. Dave Carlson From my Dell Latitude 630.----- Original Message ----- From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:43 Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week why do not wait before making any comments. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss you off. Cheers Alex -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of John Martyn Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my next project which I am not announcing yet. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?<http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201109 08/ed5b7576/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com Holger Fiallo Kind Regard _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com Holger Fiallo Kind Regard
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week
Dave...
Holgar,
Because FS has a track record of breaking things that used to work, with each revision. Of course in addition to adding new features. But we can all hope. Dave Carlson From my Dell Latitude 630.----- Original Message ----- From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 15:43 Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week why do not wait before making any comments. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss you off. Cheers Alex -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of John Martyn Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my next project which I am not announcing yet. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?<http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201109 08/ed5b7576/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com Holger Fiallo Kind Regard _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week
Holger Fiallo <holgerfiallo@...>
why do not wait before making any comments.
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From: Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:28 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: Jaws 13 out next week John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss you off. Cheers Alex -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of John Martyn Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my next project which I am not announcing yet. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?<http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201109 08/ed5b7576/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com Holger Fiallo Kind Regard
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Re: jaws any version
Adrian Spratt
There have been several muddying messages on this subject on this list.
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First, FS's license by itself doesn't determine what rights users have. In the U.S., state law typically recognizes implied warranty protections that are additional to the express warranties written into a license agreement. I believe this dual protection is followed in countries that have an English common law heritage. There is no need to get into the distinctions among copyright, patents, trademarks and other intellectual property rights. The concept of a product's fitness to serve the purpose for which it is intended is a consumer protection. Most countries run consumer protection offices. In the U.S., the best place to go for this kind of assistance is the Attorney General's office of the state where you live, although some of those offices will refer complaints to the A.G. for the state where the company has its home office. One or two complaints are unlikely to generate a serious response, but complaints from a sizable number of consumers could trigger enforcement action. I am not advocating a complaint-filing campaign. Many subscribers to this list are content with JAWS, a factor that would go into any enforcement officer's decision-making process. I'm just trying to clear up the misunderstandings in this thread.
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From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of d.durber@... Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:01 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: jaws any version Dorothy: Soft products, such as books and computer software are covered by each respective countries Copyright laws, and not laws which pertain to other types of products, such as computer hardeware, clothing, household goods, etc. Your friend should not get confused, between the different laws covering various types of products, as each country determines the standards and conditions under which different types of products are sold and warrantees for each type of product, are covered by the particular laws for the particular country concerned. Your friend should read the license for each product to determine any conditions and rights, in this case the Freedom Scientific JAWS License Agreement, which can be found in the JAWS Help system. If your friend needs any further clarrification as to the terms and conditions of the JAWS License Agreement, they should either contact the Freedom Scientific dealer in the country in which they live or, they should contact Freedom Scientific directly, either by email , by phone or by snail mail. HTH Sincerely: Dave Durber ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy" <Dorothy.ingram-gorban@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 10:30 AM Subject: Re: jaws any version take care of what exactly? surely if the sale of goods act does not apply, then do we rely on fs to meet the standards we expect? if so many of the problems I see on this list and it is a busy list will only be solved by the client either putting pressure on fs with their wallet or living in hopes the next version will solve all our problems wellunless you can say differently I assume the laws relating to software is much the same worldwide,although prices will differ I think from country to country as I have read on this list. However I am sure you meant well kind regards dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:08 PM Subject: Re: jaws any version dorthy, if we purchase from freedom scientific they would take care of this. this is not our problem. karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy" <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:16 AM Subject: jaws any version Dear list I just want to be sure that Jaws and in fact all screen readers are sold under licence I ask since an interesting topic arose on a list I am not a member of,a friend just selects any item he thinks is interesting It was pertaining to jaws however. One of the posts said he was not sure about USA, and mentioned the SGA act,that in Uk means the sale of goods act of 1979, It states an item sold must be "fit for purpose" in English law it is 6 years in Scotland it is 5, the listersaid "i do not know about USA. Well that act is of course very important but although many Posts were posted, no one mentioned that software is in fact sold underLicence I expect the Usa law is much the same but of courseI maybe wrong I know computers i.e.hardware is but since Jaws was the subject can you confirm what I imagine is the case regards dorothy _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week
Alex Stone <alex.stone@...>
John, you can hope, but knowing fs, they'll have changed them just to piss
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you off. Cheers Alex
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From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of John Martyn Sent: 08 September 2011 23:24 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my next project which I am not announcing yet. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?<http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201109 08/ed5b7576/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week
John Martyn
That's what we're about to find out actually. I am hoping there is no change to the scripts though. I'll especially need this beta to start working on my next project which I am not announcing yet.
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From: "Holger Fiallo" <holgerfiallo@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Jaws 13 out next week I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?
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Re: Jaws 13 out next week
Holger Fiallo <holgerfiallo@...>
I am. Could I use the scripts with 13?
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From: John Martyn Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:02 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list Subject: Jaws 13 out next week Hi all, I will be among the beta testers out there. Is anyone else going to try out the beta that comes out next week? I have to since I write scripts. Does anyone have a list of changes they are making with JAWS 13? Thanks in advanced, John Martyn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20110908/ed5b7576/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com Holger Fiallo Kind Regard
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Re: jaws any version
Dorothy <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
Many thanks dave, I was sent the posts by friends on the jaws list in uk,I
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am sure they all knew about fs licence conditions,but one man mentioned the sga act which means an item mustbe fit for purpose now that act is a Uk act of course.the battle really got heated up as they list members got angry atbeing told if they are unhappy move to another screen reader, some couldnot do that,and explained why. But shouldnot have to .In us laws differ from state to state but I think jaws is sold under licence in most states of course they can go to fs directly I once had to do that myself I am not saying it was easy,but it was necessary regards dorothy
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From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of d.durber@... Sent: 08 October 2011 22:01 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: jaws any version Dorothy: Soft products, such as books and computer software are covered by each respective countries Copyright laws, and not laws which pertain to other types of products, such as computer hardeware, clothing, household goods, etc. Your friend should not get confused, between the different laws covering various types of products, as each country determines the standards and conditions under which different types of products are sold and warrantees for each type of product, are covered by the particular laws for the particular country concerned. Your friend should read the license for each product to determine any conditions and rights, in this case the Freedom Scientific JAWS License Agreement, which can be found in the JAWS Help system. If your friend needs any further clarrification as to the terms and conditions of the JAWS License Agreement, they should either contact the Freedom Scientific dealer in the country in which they live or, they should contact Freedom Scientific directly, either by email , by phone or by snail mail. HTH Sincerely: Dave Durber ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy" <Dorothy.ingram-gorban@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 10:30 AM Subject: Re: jaws any version take care of what exactly? surely if the sale of goods act does not apply, _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Jaws 13 out next week
John Martyn
Hi all,
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Re: jaws any version
Dave Durber
Dorothy:
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Soft products, such as books and computer software are covered by each respective countries Copyright laws, and not laws which pertain to other types of products, such as computer hardeware, clothing, household goods, etc. Your friend should not get confused, between the different laws covering various types of products, as each country determines the standards and conditions under which different types of products are sold and warrantees for each type of product, are covered by the particular laws for the particular country concerned. Your friend should read the license for each product to determine any conditions and rights, in this case the Freedom Scientific JAWS License Agreement, which can be found in the JAWS Help system. If your friend needs any further clarrification as to the terms and conditions of the JAWS License Agreement, they should either contact the Freedom Scientific dealer in the country in which they live or, they should contact Freedom Scientific directly, either by email , by phone or by snail mail. HTH Sincerely: Dave Durber
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From: "Dorothy" <Dorothy.ingram-gorban@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 10:30 AM Subject: Re: jaws any version take care of what exactly? surely if the sale of goods act does not apply,
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An Apology
Rick Miller
I think one of you listers used the People Search feature of Research It to find me this morning and I accidentally deleted the message. You know who you are, so you're welcome to search me again.
Rick Miller
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Re: How to check windows version and hardware
Curtis Delzer
windows pause, and use jfw cursor. you'll find out.
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From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:13 AM Subject: How to check windows version and hardware Hi all this is a very stupid question but I'm in a weir situation at the moment. With jaws, how and where can you check what version of windows a computer is running, weather it's 32 or 64 bit and what hardware like processor and ram it has? I know what's in and on my pc but I'm fixing someone elses pc and they can't tell me what's on it, it's one of those people who just knows how to switch it on and type. From back when I still had better eye sight, I remember there's someplace you can read it, think you just right clicked on computer then properties but if I do that now it only takes me to a system rating, Oh and I at least know it must have vista or 7 on it, but need to find the exact version and sighted help is out of the question for now. Thanks _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: jaws any version
Dorothy <Dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
thank you tom exactly right, I know Fs make the product of course, it so happened a topic just raged for 2 days and a night on a jaws only list this international list is but one. they were upset of course that they may have to buy jaws 13 to get problems in jaws 12 right but even more so that they had so little clout,many are getting it paid for under what is called access to work,does that make them happier? well it would seem not some and I am one are using our savings to buy jaws, the fact that in the UK there is a sole vendor should help,this means if you buy jaws or an fs product from for example rnib or one of the other outlets,they still have to buy it from the sole vendor in UK sightand sound technology, One of those posting this topic mentioned the sga act,that says any item bought must be "fit for purpose and I have explained that act. but in all the flurry no one seemed to remember that jaws is not covered,since it is sold under license. I expect ms is also to some extent ? many thanks Dorothy.
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From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@...> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:56 PM Subject: RE: jaws any version I think Dorothy is saying that according to several acts concerning the selling of goods and services the vendors products have to live up to the standard advertised and that jaws bug ridden product may be in violation.
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Re: How to check windows version and hardware
Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
Wow! Not that I did not know this but so many ways to do things! The person
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who originally wrote the question will have many helpful tips! What a fantabo list this is.
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From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mike & Barbara Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:15 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: How to check windows version and hardware Hi Nickus, Another way to get to system properties is press the Windows key+ the pause key, then route your Jaws cursor to the PC cursor, press the page up key, & arrow down 1 line at a time to read the information. Hope this helps. Take care. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: 2.g.i To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:42 AM Subject: Re: How to check windows version and hardware Your welcome, glad it worked out for you. the other ways are, go to the control panel then system, this will give you OS, CPU & amount of ram. or you can get software such as Lavalys EVEREST this will tell you just about everything including serial numbers of hard drives & so on, great to keep in case you have a crash & need to put in a warranty claim. How did you go fixing your friends system? If I can help with that let me know. At 07:15 PM 9/8/2011, you wrote: >Awesome thanks a lot works like a bomb. Just for interest sake and so >that I know in the future, what other ways are there to do this? > >On 9/8/11, 2.g.i <2.g.i.84972@...> wrote: > > Hi, you can do the following. > > press windows r to open the run box > > type in cmd & press enter > > this will open the command prompt. > > once its open type in > > systeminfo & press enter > > this will give you what you are looking for along with a lot of other > > details, how ever a lot of the output will be pushed up the screen & > > the jaws cant read it, do the following > > press alt space > > this will open a menu bar, up arrow till you hear edit sub menu > > right arrow once, & then down arrow till you hear select all, then press > > enter > > this will highlight all of the output, press enter & this will add it > > to the clipboard. > > press windows r again to open the run box > > now type in notepad > > press enter & this will open a blank notepad document. > > now press control v to paist all the output. > > now you can go back to the top & read it. > > you may need to maximise the notepad window. > > > > There are other ways to get the info you are looking for, but without > > knowing what OS you are on & what style config the control panel view > > is in, I think its better to say to go this way. > > > > If you need any help understanding any of the output I am happy to help. > > > > Good luck > > HTH > > At 06:13 PM 9/8/2011, you wrote: > >>Hi all this is a very stupid question but I'm in a weir situation at > >>the moment. With jaws, how and where can you check what version of > >>windows a computer is running, weather it's 32 or 64 bit and what > >>hardware like processor and ram it has? I know what's in and on my pc > >>but I'm fixing someone elses pc and they can't tell me what's on it, > >>it's one of those people who just knows how to switch it on and type. > >> From back when I still had better eye sight, I remember there's some > >>place you can read it, think you just right clicked on computer then > >>properties but if I do that now it only takes me to a system rating, > >>Oh and I at least know it must have vista or 7 on it, but need to find > >>the exact version and sighted help is out of the question for now. > >>Thanks > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Jfw mailing list > >>Jfw@... > >>http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jfw mailing list > > Jfw@... > > http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >Jfw mailing list >Jfw@... >http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201109 08/f74e4723/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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