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moderated Re: Windows 10 question

 

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 07:11 PM, Gary Ketler wrote:
If I interpreted what Brian was saying, I still have a few months for this to work out.
That is an accurate interpretation.   I'm waiting until I get the offer in the Windows Update Pane of the Update & Security Settings to Download and install the Version 2004 feature update before doing so.  I'll still use the ISO method to apply the update then, as I've already downloaded the ISO and have it readily available, and that saves me burning through a significant amount of the 20 GB per month of high speed wireless data I receive under my plan.

For myself, there's never any rush to apply a feature update prior to when Windows Update presents it.   But since I have multiple machines that will need to be updated, and the Windows 10 ISO file is between 4 and 6 GB, on average, I always download it when the first machine says it's ready for update, then use it to update that machine and all my others afterward when they present me with the option to Download and install the feature update.  It's a lot faster that way, too, even when you account for downloading whatever updates are identified as needed prior to the install starting.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Windows 10 question

Gary Ketler
 

Thanks for offering to do that. If I interpreted what Brian was saying, I still have a few months for this to work out.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 question

 

Maybe not. Maybe it just need someone to have a quick look at its Windows Update screen, or the event logger. I can do some of that for you via a screenreader connection, JAWS Tandem or NVDA Remote, your choice. I can't guarantee a solution, but another pair of ears on a problem is never a bad thing.

 

On 7/14/2020 10:23 PM, Gary Ketler wrote:

I did mean 2004. I guess I will have to hire someone to fix this problem. The 2004 update is not here. This computer was bought new in 2018.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 7:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 question

 

19-09 update? Don't you mean 20-04?

 

Try this:

 

1. Press Windows Key + Shift +I to open the Windows Settings pane.

2. In the search field, type update and press the Down Arrow Key until you hear "Windows update," then press ENTER.

 

You're now in the dialog where you can do things like check for updates, pause updates for seven days, etc.

 

If you press the "Check for updates" button and your system tells you you're up to date, then there's something either on or in your system that can't be updated to the latest version of Windows 10, or any later versions than your current version for that matter.

 

You also may not be getting updated because during the hours you've chosen for those updates to be applied, your computer is off or offline. You can force the update(s) to happen by tabbing through the updates dialog and finding a list of available updates chosen for your system, then tabbing to the download or "install" button immediately after that list.

 

HTH

 

On 7/14/2020 6:17 PM, Gary Ketler wrote:

I never received the 1909 updates. I guess I’m out of luck.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 3:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 question

 

There's nothing to check. Updates are no longer an option in Windows 10.

That is, you can't say you don't want them. The best you can cd is pause

them for seven days.

 

 

On 7/14/2020 4:23 PM, Madison Martin wrote:

> How do I check to see if automatic updates are inabled?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee

> Sent: July 14, 2020 3:21 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: Windows 10 question

> Hi,

> The fastest way to find out what Windows 10 release you are using is: Start

> menu, type "winver" (without quotes) and press Enter. Listen to the line that

> starts with "Version".

> As for automatic updates: yes, it is advised to keep this enabled. In the past,

> people gave conflicting advice in regards to keeping automatic updates on or

> off, mainly because of concern that you may find yourself upgraded to more

> recent Windows 10 release (termed "feature updates"). Times have changed since

> then - Microsoft will not install new Windows 10 feature updates (releases)

> unless your system (hardware and software) is deemed compatible with the new

> update.

> Although the following will not directly address automatic updates question

> posed, it provides a short overview on what is happening with feature updates

> (source: the Win10 forum I mentioned earlier):

> https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/message/45181?p=,,,100,0,0,0::Created,,featu

> re+updates,100,2,0,74554449

> Cheers,

> Joseph

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin

> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:11 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Windows 10 question

> Hi again all,

> Can someone please tell me how to find out what vertion of Windows 10 I'm

> running? Just curious to know that's all. Also, should I have automatic updates

> turned on? Thanks Madison

 

 


moderated Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Ann Byrne
 

To be alerted when text is covered up in Excel, in quick settings (insert-v) check the box for cell text visibility detection.

At 03:18 PM 7/15/2020, you wrote:
Hi Dan,

Yes, this is exactly my problem.
The information is being read even if it cannot be seen.
I am using an old version of office, but i have the latest update for adobe
reader.
Is there any way that you know of, to have only those words read out that
are visible?
My problem is, that when i save something to send to someone else, i think,
that the formatting is all right, as jaws reads everything.
Its only when someone asks "where is my info" that i find out it is not
there.
I tried saving it as a web page, but this is of little use either.
I read somewhere on the web, that if you select the entire work sheet and
then paste it into word, it creates a table.
Yes it does, and jaws reads it out, but if there is too much text in the
table column, it is wrapped in a way, that the first line of text seems to
belong to the column above it.
Again, this can only be verified by someone who can see it.

pat

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan
Longmore
Sent: Wednesday 15 July 2020 19:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

The screen reader will always read all of the text in an XL column even if
the column is truncated and the words are not visible.




moderated Re: Question for those using One Drive at home

Van Lant, Robin
 

Thanks, Richard and all.  You all make some good points to consider.  I’ll play with One Drive. 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 10:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question for those using One Drive at home

 

I use oneDrive at home with my Microsoft 365 plan.

I believe you have a choice to store everything on your local drive, but even if it is in the cloud, you can opt to make it available off line.

In fact, if it is in the cloud and you open it locally, it gets made available off line automatically I think.

I’ve not notice any lag in opening files or anything.

I can access my files from my iPhone anywhere this way, which I like.

And after the latest DropBox update, I’m inclined to just use OneDrive.

I get 1 TB of storage with my Microsoft 365 and likely won’t ever come close to that amount.

My wife, who also is using the Microsoft 365 subscription also has her own 1 TB of space from the one subscription.

 

I think it works great and is easier than the current DropBox on my computer.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 9:21 AM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Question for those using One Drive at home

 

Hi All,

Microsoft keeps prompting me to think about using One Drive on my home laptop.  We just started using it at work.   Can someone explain to me if One Drive is like DropBox in that I can store my files on my hard drive and choose which files to move to One Drive.  Or, if I enable One Drive, will all my files be transitioned to One Drive and I’ll have to flag which ones I want to  keep offline copies of?  The latter is how we do it at work, but since I didn’t set it up on my work laptop, I’m not sure if I have a choice on my personal laptop as to how One Drive works.   Just a little flustered about changing how I do things and being able to find my files.

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement

Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank

720-304-1060

 

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moderated Re: Question for those using One Drive at home

David Griffith
 

OneDrive does a good job of intelligently  working out what files you need in the cloud to save space. It is  ab it like DropBox SmartSync. But like DropBox you can specify through the context menu on a folder or file files that you want to always keep on this device.
I am now a fan of Smart Sync and OneDrive intelligent syncing. I only have 512 GB drive on my laptop Windows machine and similarly on my Mac Machine.
However whilst online I can pretty much instantly access nearly 3 and a half gigabytes of data with rarely any trouble, files just take slightly longer to load and it is really as if I have massive drives in my machines. 
The only thing is that you need to ensure that you keep critical passwords for connecting to the internet etc stored on documents that are always available either in DropBox or OneDrive or you may face the Catch 22 problem if your internet fails of not being able to access an internet connection because you need an internet connection to re-enter the password.

David Griffith
David Griffith

  .

On 15 Jul 2020, at 17:20, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io <Robin_Van_Lant@...> wrote:

Hi All,
Microsoft keeps prompting me to think about using One Drive on my home laptop.  We just started using it at work.   Can someone explain to me if One Drive is like DropBox in that I can store my files on my hard drive and choose which files to move to One Drive.  Or, if I enable One Drive, will all my files be transitioned to One Drive and I’ll have to flag which ones I want to  keep offline copies of?  The latter is how we do it at work, but since I didn’t set it up on my work laptop, I’m not sure if I have a choice on my personal laptop as to how One Drive works.   Just a little flustered about changing how I do things and being able to find my files.
 
Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement
Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank
720-304-1060
 
This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. 

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 

If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key, send an email to mailto:DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.


moderated Re: clock question

David Diamond
 

Madison, all instructions are apropos except for the one about them keeping the unit plugged in. The computer should be intuitive but if it isn’t typed in the word regional date and time and a start up menu.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Richard <thegothot@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 1:35:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: clock question
 
You should never put your hands inside of any electrical device with the
power still connected,
especially computers.
Not only are you risking injury to yourself, touching the wrong thing could
cause the battery to be the least of your problems.

HTH,
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: clock question


Tapp the Windows Key, then type: Date, followed by ENTER.

If you or, someone else decide to change the lythium backup battery, do not
remove the power cable, when the old lythium battery is removed, because, if
you do remove the power cable with no backup battery inserted, all the bios
settings will be lost.

HTH

Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Madison Martin" <maddymartin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: clock question


I can't find date and time in the control panel...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: July 14, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: clock question

press the windows key and go to the search box and type in control panel.
then go to date and time. go to the internet settings and set  it to get the
time from the server.


-----Original Message-----
From: Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: clock question

How do I get to Windows settings?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: July 14, 2020 2:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: clock question

You can go to the windows settings, date and time settings.
If you have automatically adjust the time then as someone said, your battery
may be going out because it shouldn't slow down.
You can get into those settings and adjust it manually, but I just leave
mine so it syncs with the internet.
I also find it is easier to cope with settings if I put Jaws in Speech on
Demand and launch Narrator.

HTH,


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I've never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward
Herbert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: clock question

Hi all,
Can someone please tell me how to change the time on my computer so that it
stays? It's off by at least 15 minutes which is rather annoying. I'm running
Jaws 2018 and Windows 10. Thanks Madison




























moderated Re: Question for those using One Drive at home

Jon Nixey <jon.ofhs5790@...>
 

Hi Robin,

 

I’ve been using One-Drive at home on my personal laptop for quite a while now, and I favour it to Dropbox.

 

I don’t have One-Drive backing anything up of its own accord, I copy and paste or cut and paste what I choose to keep on there, so I’m in full control.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Jon

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


moderated Alt + F2 takes you in to the gallery view in Zoom

Jon Nixey <jon.ofhs5790@...>
 

According to the latest release of Zoom, Alt F2 takes you into the gallery view. I believe you have to be on a meeting screen for this to take effect.

 

Cheers, Jon


moderated Re: Question for those using One Drive at home

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Dan, another benefit of OneDrive is that you can have a terabyte of storage if you are a Microsoft 365 subscriber. For me this makes OneDrive a more attractive solution over Dropbox.


On 7/15/2020 1:35 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:
I really like one drive and find it easier than dropbox. I can access my files and make them available off-line if I wish. The one drive account is always available on the computer from which I said it up and I can access the one drive files from any device once I sign into OneDrive from that other device such as my phone.


On Jul 15, 2020, at 12:20 PM, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io <Robin_Van_Lant@...> wrote:



Hi All,

Microsoft keeps prompting me to think about using One Drive on my home laptop.  We just started using it at work.   Can someone explain to me if One Drive is like DropBox in that I can store my files on my hard drive and choose which files to move to One Drive.  Or, if I enable One Drive, will all my files be transitioned to One Drive and I’ll have to flag which ones I want to  keep offline copies of?  The latter is how we do it at work, but since I didn’t set it up on my work laptop, I’m not sure if I have a choice on my personal laptop as to how One Drive works.   Just a little flustered about changing how I do things and being able to find my files.

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement

Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank

720-304-1060

 

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

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moderated Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Justin Williams
 

Copy it into notpad.

Thanks,

Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick
Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 4:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Hi Dan,

Yes, this is exactly my problem.
The information is being read even if it cannot be seen.
I am using an old version of office, but i have the latest update for adobe
reader.
Is there any way that you know of, to have only those words read out that
are visible?
My problem is, that when i save something to send to someone else, i think,
that the formatting is all right, as jaws reads everything.
Its only when someone asks "where is my info" that i find out it is not
there.
I tried saving it as a web page, but this is of little use either.
I read somewhere on the web, that if you select the entire work sheet and
then paste it into word, it creates a table.
Yes it does, and jaws reads it out, but if there is too much text in the
table column, it is wrapped in a way, that the first line of text seems to
belong to the column above it.
Again, this can only be verified by someone who can see it.

pat

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan
Longmore
Sent: Wednesday 15 July 2020 19:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

The screen reader will always read all of the text in an XL column even if
the column is truncated and the words are not visible.


moderated Re: clock question

Richard
 

You should never put your hands inside of any electrical device with the
power still connected,
especially computers.
Not only are you risking injury to yourself, touching the wrong thing could
cause the battery to be the least of your problems.

HTH,
Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: clock question


Tapp the Windows Key, then type: Date, followed by ENTER.

If you or, someone else decide to change the lythium backup battery, do not
remove the power cable, when the old lythium battery is removed, because, if
you do remove the power cable with no backup battery inserted, all the bios
settings will be lost.

HTH

Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Madison Martin" <maddymartin@mymts.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: clock question


I can't find date and time in the control panel...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: July 14, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: clock question

press the windows key and go to the search box and type in control panel.
then go to date and time. go to the internet settings and set it to get the
time from the server.


-----Original Message-----
From: Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: clock question

How do I get to Windows settings?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: July 14, 2020 2:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: clock question

You can go to the windows settings, date and time settings.
If you have automatically adjust the time then as someone said, your battery
may be going out because it shouldn't slow down.
You can get into those settings and adjust it manually, but I just leave
mine so it syncs with the internet.
I also find it is easier to cope with settings if I put Jaws in Speech on
Demand and launch Narrator.

HTH,


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I've never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward
Herbert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: clock question

Hi all,
Can someone please tell me how to change the time on my computer so that it
stays? It's off by at least 15 minutes which is rather annoying. I'm running
Jaws 2018 and Windows 10. Thanks Madison


moderated Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Patrick Murphy
 

Hi Dan,

Yes, this is exactly my problem.
The information is being read even if it cannot be seen.
I am using an old version of office, but i have the latest update for adobe
reader.
Is there any way that you know of, to have only those words read out that
are visible?
My problem is, that when i save something to send to someone else, i think,
that the formatting is all right, as jaws reads everything.
Its only when someone asks "where is my info" that i find out it is not
there.
I tried saving it as a web page, but this is of little use either.
I read somewhere on the web, that if you select the entire work sheet and
then paste it into word, it creates a table.
Yes it does, and jaws reads it out, but if there is too much text in the
table column, it is wrapped in a way, that the first line of text seems to
belong to the column above it.
Again, this can only be verified by someone who can see it.

pat

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan
Longmore
Sent: Wednesday 15 July 2020 19:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

The screen reader will always read all of the text in an XL column even if
the column is truncated and the words are not visible.


moderated Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Glenn / Lenny
 

Perhaps it does, I use an old Office, so I have never used a newer MS Word.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Word is my default PDF viewer with Microsoft 365 and JFW 2020. I would be interested in side-by-side comparisons that demonstrate why Word is such a bad tool. My only comparison was using Adobe Reader and Word to process a large table, and Word was significantly better.

 

Dean

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 1:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

 

You can open it in a browser, like fire fox or Chrome or Edge.

Also, if you silence it in word or whatever, try using the Jaws cursor.

I would not use Word for a PDF.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 12:19 PM

Subject: reading pdf documents with jaws.

 

Hi,

 

I am using excel and ms word.

When i save files as pdf, jaws reads out text even if it cannot be seen.

I had my son look at a particular document, and this is basically what he told me.

 

I had 8 cells of excel merged.

In this i had “if you have any questions in relation to this, please contact the company using the details above”.

When i look at it in excel, jaws reads out the entire thing.

When i save it as a pdf, jaws reads out the entire thing.

However, when my son looks at the pdf, he only sees the text as far as the word “using”.

Everything after this is truncated.

With regard to word, if i create a table, and things are not properly presented in the columns, jaws just reads it as if everything is ok.

For example, if there is too much text in a column of a table, to the eye, it looks like it is “pushed” up.

At least, thats the way my son explained it to me.

However, as i said, jaws reads it just fine in word and as a pdf.

I suppose, basically what i am trying to get at here, is:

Does anyone know of a way, to have jaws just read out what someone with sight would actually see?

To have jaws speaking text that is hidden from the eye, is causing problems.

 

Regards,

 

pat

 


moderated Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

Word is my default PDF viewer with Microsoft 365 and JFW 2020. I would be interested in side-by-side comparisons that demonstrate why Word is such a bad tool. My only comparison was using Adobe Reader and Word to process a large table, and Word was significantly better.

 

Dean

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 1:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

 

You can open it in a browser, like fire fox or Chrome or Edge.

Also, if you silence it in word or whatever, try using the Jaws cursor.

I would not use Word for a PDF.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 12:19 PM

Subject: reading pdf documents with jaws.

 

Hi,

 

I am using excel and ms word.

When i save files as pdf, jaws reads out text even if it cannot be seen.

I had my son look at a particular document, and this is basically what he told me.

 

I had 8 cells of excel merged.

In this i had “if you have any questions in relation to this, please contact the company using the details above”.

When i look at it in excel, jaws reads out the entire thing.

When i save it as a pdf, jaws reads out the entire thing.

However, when my son looks at the pdf, he only sees the text as far as the word “using”.

Everything after this is truncated.

With regard to word, if i create a table, and things are not properly presented in the columns, jaws just reads it as if everything is ok.

For example, if there is too much text in a column of a table, to the eye, it looks like it is “pushed” up.

At least, thats the way my son explained it to me.

However, as i said, jaws reads it just fine in word and as a pdf.

I suppose, basically what i am trying to get at here, is:

Does anyone know of a way, to have jaws just read out what someone with sight would actually see?

To have jaws speaking text that is hidden from the eye, is causing problems.

 

Regards,

 

pat

 


moderated Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Dan Longmore
 

The screen reader will always read all of the text in an XL column even if the column is truncated and the words are not visible.


moderated Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Dan Longmore
 

There are some formatting issues but we’re does fine opening PDFs and even saving them the PDFs


On Jul 15, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:


You can open it in a browser, like fire fox or Chrome or Edge.
Also, if you silence it in word or whatever, try using the Jaws cursor.
I would not use Word for a PDF.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 12:19 PM
Subject: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Hi,

 

I am using excel and ms word.

When i save files as pdf, jaws reads out text even if it cannot be seen.

I had my son look at a particular document, and this is basically what he told me.

 

I had 8 cells of excel merged.

In this i had “if you have any questions in relation to this, please contact the company using the details above”.

When i look at it in excel, jaws reads out the entire thing.

When i save it as a pdf, jaws reads out the entire thing.

However, when my son looks at the pdf, he only sees the text as far as the word “using”.

Everything after this is truncated.

With regard to word, if i create a table, and things are not properly presented in the columns, jaws just reads it as if everything is ok.

For example, if there is too much text in a column of a table, to the eye, it looks like it is “pushed” up.

At least, thats the way my son explained it to me.

However, as i said, jaws reads it just fine in word and as a pdf.

I suppose, basically what i am trying to get at here, is:

Does anyone know of a way, to have jaws just read out what someone with sight would actually see?

To have jaws speaking text that is hidden from the eye, is causing problems.

 

Regards,

 

pat

 


moderated Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Glenn / Lenny
 

You can open it in a browser, like fire fox or Chrome or Edge.
Also, if you silence it in word or whatever, try using the Jaws cursor.
I would not use Word for a PDF.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 12:19 PM
Subject: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Hi,

 

I am using excel and ms word.

When i save files as pdf, jaws reads out text even if it cannot be seen.

I had my son look at a particular document, and this is basically what he told me.

 

I had 8 cells of excel merged.

In this i had “if you have any questions in relation to this, please contact the company using the details above”.

When i look at it in excel, jaws reads out the entire thing.

When i save it as a pdf, jaws reads out the entire thing.

However, when my son looks at the pdf, he only sees the text as far as the word “using”.

Everything after this is truncated.

With regard to word, if i create a table, and things are not properly presented in the columns, jaws just reads it as if everything is ok.

For example, if there is too much text in a column of a table, to the eye, it looks like it is “pushed” up.

At least, thats the way my son explained it to me.

However, as i said, jaws reads it just fine in word and as a pdf.

I suppose, basically what i am trying to get at here, is:

Does anyone know of a way, to have jaws just read out what someone with sight would actually see?

To have jaws speaking text that is hidden from the eye, is causing problems.

 

Regards,

 

pat

 


moderated Re: clock question

Marty Hutchings
 

I changed a battery in a Dell about 8 years ago. I did it with the power cord unplugged, because I am not messing around inside a piece of gear with power connected and never lost anything as far as settings goes. It worked fine when plugged in and I was able to set the clock.



Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: clock question

Tapp the Windows Key, then type: Date, followed by ENTER.

If you or, someone else decide to change the lythium backup battery, do not
remove the power cable, when the old lythium battery is removed, because, if
you do remove the power cable with no backup battery inserted, all the bios
settings will be lost.

HTH

Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Madison Martin" <maddymartin@mymts.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: clock question


I can't find date and time in the control panel...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: July 14, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: clock question

press the windows key and go to the search box and type in control panel.
then go to date and time. go to the internet settings and set it to get the
time from the server.


-----Original Message-----
From: Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: clock question

How do I get to Windows settings?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: July 14, 2020 2:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: clock question

You can go to the windows settings, date and time settings.
If you have automatically adjust the time then as someone said, your battery
may be going out because it shouldn't slow down.
You can get into those settings and adjust it manually, but I just leave
mine so it syncs with the internet.
I also find it is easier to cope with settings if I put Jaws in Speech on
Demand and launch Narrator.

HTH,


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I've never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward
Herbert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: clock question

Hi all,
Can someone please tell me how to change the time on my computer so that it
stays? It's off by at least 15 minutes which is rather annoying. I'm running
Jaws 2018 and Windows 10. Thanks Madison


moderated Re: Question for those using One Drive at home

Dan Longmore
 

I really like one drive and find it easier than dropbox. I can access my files and make them available off-line if I wish. The one drive account is always available on the computer from which I said it up and I can access the one drive files from any device once I sign into OneDrive from that other device such as my phone.


On Jul 15, 2020, at 12:20 PM, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io <Robin_Van_Lant@...> wrote:



Hi All,

Microsoft keeps prompting me to think about using One Drive on my home laptop.  We just started using it at work.   Can someone explain to me if One Drive is like DropBox in that I can store my files on my hard drive and choose which files to move to One Drive.  Or, if I enable One Drive, will all my files be transitioned to One Drive and I’ll have to flag which ones I want to  keep offline copies of?  The latter is how we do it at work, but since I didn’t set it up on my work laptop, I’m not sure if I have a choice on my personal laptop as to how One Drive works.   Just a little flustered about changing how I do things and being able to find my files.

 

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moderated reading pdf documents with jaws.

Patrick Murphy
 

Hi,

 

I am using excel and ms word.

When i save files as pdf, jaws reads out text even if it cannot be seen.

I had my son look at a particular document, and this is basically what he told me.

 

I had 8 cells of excel merged.

In this i had “if you have any questions in relation to this, please contact the company using the details above”.

When i look at it in excel, jaws reads out the entire thing.

When i save it as a pdf, jaws reads out the entire thing.

However, when my son looks at the pdf, he only sees the text as far as the word “using”.

Everything after this is truncated.

With regard to word, if i create a table, and things are not properly presented in the columns, jaws just reads it as if everything is ok.

For example, if there is too much text in a column of a table, to the eye, it looks like it is “pushed” up.

At least, thats the way my son explained it to me.

However, as i said, jaws reads it just fine in word and as a pdf.

I suppose, basically what i am trying to get at here, is:

Does anyone know of a way, to have jaws just read out what someone with sight would actually see?

To have jaws speaking text that is hidden from the eye, is causing problems.

 

Regards,

 

pat

 

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