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moderated Re: From My Blog: My Feature Wish List for JAWS 2020

David Griffith
 

Dear David  I think This  is brilliant.

I have read through and I can’t say that there is anything that you have included here that I would disagree with.

I hope that Jaws developers are reading this closely.

Essentially you have set out a development program for them and it could be extremely valuable action plan for the next year or so.

I think that the option to run Jaws in Safe Mode is a must – even if it is a stripped down version of jaws without its virtual screen driver enhancements. Something emulating the Narrator capability would be great.

 

David Griffith

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: 02 January 2020 21:35
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Subject: From My Blog: My Feature Wish List for JAWS 2020

 

My Feature Wish List for JAWS 2020

Introduction

A little over a year ago I wrote a blog post explaining why I chose to add JAWS to my accessibility toolbox for my screen reading needs. I still use NVDA on a regular basis but I must say that I use JAWS as my primary screen reader. I will always continue to endorse NVDA as it is a very good screen reader and fills a very important need, providing a free screen reader supporting around 50 languages, ensuring that visually impaired people around the world have free access to a Windows computer. However, JAWS offers some tools and features which are not found in NVDA, some of which I mentioned in the previously referenced blog post. And if those features weren’t enough I have even more capabilities with the amazing third party Leasey software, available at a very reasonable price from Hartgen Consultancy.

With all of the capabilities being offered by JAWS as well as from Leasey there are still some features that I’d like to see added to JAWS. The 2020 version of JAWS is a bit of a milestone for Vispero as we are heading into the 25th anniversary for the JAWS screen reader. Very few software packages can boast that they’ve been available for such a long period of time, let alone specialized software such as screen readers. JAWS has consistently been available for nearly 25 years, constantly fixing bugs as well as adding new features and refining existing ones. I’d like to see Vispero add some special features to celebrate the 25th anniversary of what has become a fabulous and extremely capable and powerful screen reader.

I don’t necessarily feel that a ton of new features should be introduced all at once. In the past the company would introduce a new major update in September, bumping up the version number and adding lots of new features, with maintenance updates being released every few months after that to fix bugs and refine the newly added features. Starting with JAWS 2019 I’m noticing a slight shift in the way features are being introduced. Rather than releasing one major update with a boatload of new features the company seems to be adding features throughout the release cycle for that particular version, as they did when they added Picture Smart, the image recognition feature, around March of 2019. I highly approve of this approach and it’s one that I wish more companies would consider adopting. Releasing one massive update with a ton of new features potentially means more bugs that users will have to contend with, making more work for the development team. Introducing a few new features at a time means the opposite: less work for Vispero’s developers and a smoother experience for those of us who use the software and who depend on it to behave reliably. Microsoft does this with Office 365 but I wish they’d adopt this approach with Windows 10 and I sure wish Apple would do this with iOS.

Now that I have that preamble out of the way here is my personal wish list of features that I’d like to see added to JAWS 2020 and beyond.

 

A More Flexible Way to Copy Web Content to the Clipboard.

Fortunately, Leasey does address this issue rather nicely, for which I’m very grateful. However, for the benefit of those users who may not even know that Leasey exists let me explain the current situation. In addition to using standard selection commands to select and copy content from a Web page into the clipboard JAWS has another method for selecting text. However, the steps to do this must be followed just so in order for this feature to work. Here is how you must do it.

1.       Move the virtual cursor to the beginning of the block of text you’d like to copy. I usually do this at the beginning of the block of text but I believe that you can start at the end of the block.

2.       Press ctrl+Windows+K. This sets a temporary place marker at the location of the virtual cursor.

3.       Move the virtual cursor to the end of the block of text to be copied.

4.       Press the layered keystroke insert+space.

5.       Press the letter M (for mark.)

6.       Press ctrl+C to copy the block of text to the clipboard.

Admittedly, this set of steps is easier than holding down the shift key and using navigation commands. However, I’d like to see a little more flexibility. As an example, why not allow the user to place a mark at the beginning and at the end of the block of text using the same hotkey. Even better, could there be a way to place a mark at one of the block and then, after moving to the other end of the block, have a hotkey which copies the text from the mark to the current cursor location into the clipboard?

 

Allow JAWS to Start in Safe Mode

There’s not much more that I could say beyond the above heading. I believe that Narrator can do this and, if memory serves, Window-Eyes also offered this capability. There are times when we may need to start our computers in safe mode to troubleshoot a problem and currently JAWS doesn’t function when in this mode.

 

Cursor Keys Feature From Window-Eyes

Users of the Window-Eyes screen reader, which is no longer available, will likely remember the cursor keys feature. For the benefit of those who may be unfamiliar with this feature I will explain how it works.

The Cursor Keys feature allowed you to assign functions to a cursor navigation feature without taking away the key’s original function. Here’s an example.

Suppose that I want the Home key to speak the character to the right of the cursor but I still want that key to move the cursor to the beginning of the line when I press it. This would mean that pressing the Home key moves the cursor to the beginning of the current line of text and then the screen reader would then speak the character at the cursor position. Window-Eyes allowed for this with a feature called Cursor Keys, which was also available in the Vocal-Eyes screen reader for DOS. You would first pick the cursor key you wanted to assign a function to, such as home, end, page-up, page-down, up arrow, down arrow, etc. You then had a list of functions which you could then assign to the cursor key you had chosen. You could actually select up to two separate functions for the cursor key but bear in mind that the cursor key would still do what it was intended to do. With JAWS, you can access the Keyboard Manager and assign a script to a cursor key but doing so will usually prevent that key from performing its original function. If you know the JAWS scripting language you could, of course, write a script and assign it to that key and you could then have that key perform any function or set of functions that you wanted it to do. The point is that Window-Eyes allowed you to do this without needing to worry about writing scripts. In my opinion, since Vispero made the decision to stop developing Window-Eyes they should consider adding features which were unique to that screen reader to JAWS so that JAWS users can continue to enjoy and benefit from those features.

 

Add Acapela Voices

It’s true that JAWS does ship with a fairly wide array of voices. In addition to Eloquence, which I still use and often prefer, we now have access to voices from Nuance, as well as being able to use Microsoft’s own set of voices. However, I’m quite a fan of Acapela’s voices and I’d like to see them included with JAWS, even as an optional download.

 

Allow Dialogs to be Navigated and Interacted With Using the Virtual Cursor

To some extent this is something that Narrator is beginning to do and I would absolutely love to see this capability added to JAWS. Currently, when a dialog appears you can navigate the dialog by pressing tab or shift+tab to move from one actionable item to the next. By actionable item I’m referring to items such as buttons, edit fields and combo boxes that you can not only access but which you can also interact with by pressing keys such as arrow keys to navigate within a combo box or the space key to press a button. This is fine but many dialog boxes contain textual information that you would otherwise miss if all you did was to navigate by pressing the tab key. You could use the JAWS cursor to navigate through a dialog box but this cursor may not always function in all dialog boxes. Also, you have to remember to press the slash key on the number pad to press a button. You could place the dialog in the virtual viewer by pressing insert+alt+W but all you can do in this mode is to read it. If you want to interact with the dialog you would have to press escape first to exit this mode. What I’m requesting is the equivalent of Narrator’s scan mode. While in a dialog pressing insert+Z would convert the current screen into the equivalent of a dynamic Web page. This would still allow you to navigate the dialog by pressing tab or shift+tab as you always have done in the past. However, you could also use standard cursor keys to navigate through the dialog just as you currently use them to navigate Web pages. Informational text would be instantly readable. Combo boxes, edit fields and list boxes would allow you to press enter while you’re focused on them which would then enter forms mode, allowing you to interact with them. Pressing enter or space on a button would press or activate that button. This capability would allow dialog boxes to be navigated with the same level of efficiency that we already have with Web page navigation.

 

Startup and Closing Sounds for JAWS

This is certainly not a major feature request and it might have very little impact on most users. However, it would be nice to have the ability to have a sound file played when JAWS first starts or when it closes, either during a Windows shutdown or when a user chooses to close it.

 

Allow Users to Assign a JAWS Hotkey During the Startup Wizard

During the startup wizard JAWS should give the user the option of assigning a hotkey to start JAWS in the event that it’s been shut down. Many users know how to do this by accessing the JAWS properties on the desktop. Some users may not know how to do this and JAWS should make it easier for both groups of users. Window-Eyes used ctrl+alt+W as its shortcut key and NVDA uses ctrl+alt+N. Can JAWS please give the user the option to use ctrl+alt+J or, better yet, allow them to assign their own?

 

Progress Indicator Tones

This is something which I’m honestly surprised that JAWS hasn’t implemented years ago, considering that this feature existed in Window-Eyes and has been a part of NVDA, perhaps even before that screen reader’s first public non-beta release in 2009. I’m referring to the percentages you often hear when performing an action such as installing a piece of software or when copying a large file or group of files from one folder to the next. Leasey from Hartgen Consultancy implemented this feature in 2019 and I was one of the users who requested it. Still, this is something which I think Vispero should consider adding to JAWS as a standard feature which could optionally be either turned on or off by the user.

 

Allow the User to Assign Numbers and Punctuation Keys When Using the Navigation Quick Key Manager

 

I love the navigation quick key manager. As an example of how I use it I’ve chosen to assign the “any link” hotkey to the letter K as I got very used to being able to navigate links with K and shift+K with NVDA. For those who wonder what I did with the Placemarkers hotkey I assigned that to M and unassigned the ability to navigate by frames, as this is a feature that I don’t really need. I’d like to see the capability of assigning keys to these functions other than letters, such as numbers, punctuation keys or keys which are specific to the number pad.

 

Script Writing Wizard

The JAWS scripting language is perhaps one of the most powerful features found within JAWS. By writing scripts you can add features and capabilities to JAWS that many people wouldn’t even think that a screen reader could do. As proof of this just visit Hartgen Consultancy to see what Brian Hartgen has been able to accomplish with JAWS scripting. However, let’s be honest. The scripting language is a programming language and it needs to be learned in order for it to be mastered. Why not make this a bit easier by implementing a script writing wizard for new or inexperienced users. It could prompt them with a series of questions with choices for things like “what would you like this script to do”, with a list of functions from which to choose. It could perhaps work a bit like the Cursor Keys dialog did in Window-Eyes. Perhaps an interface like this wouldn’t be able to offer every type of function but it would at least allow most users to write some basic scripts.

 

JAWS Script Repository

Over the years many people have written scripts for JAWS. While some are available for purchase many of them, perhaps most of them, are available at no cost. The problem is that you either have to know where to obtain them or you have to perform some Google searches and hope that you’ll be able to locate them. This never made sense to me. It would be like buying a Kindle and then finding out that the only way to download books for it is to go to sites such as Joe’s Kindle Books or some other third-party site. NV Access offers its official addon repository for NVDA users and Window-Eyes offered Script Central, which behaved much like an app store, allowing users to browse, download and install scripts right from the screen reader itself. I never understood why Vispero didn’t host its own script repository for its users. This would greatly extend the capabilities of JAWS for many users.

 

USE AI to Guess and Reclass Controls

JAWS is now starting to use artificial intelligence to recognize photos with its recently added Picture Smart feature. However, what would be both very helpful as well as innovative would be to have the option of having AI attempting to identify controls and then reclassing them. As an example, if you had a control which looked and behaved like a button but which wasn’t an actual button it would be fantastic if JAWS could examine the control and say, “hmmmm, that looks like it could be a button” and then JAWS could then allow the user to interact with that control as if it was a button. This would have to be an option which the user would need to enable, as JAWS could certainly make some incorrect guesses. 

 

Improved Help

The documentation that comes with JAWS has always been both accurate as well as comprehensive. The problem that I have with it is, to be frank, that it’s dry and sometimes uses overly technical language which could go over the heads of some users, particularly those who may be new to computers.

As an example, if you are on the Windows desktop and you press insert+F1 for context sensitive help or what JAWS refers to as screen sensitive help, you will receive this message, which begins with the following text.

“The desktop list view contains application icons and desktop items.”

Press the first letter of the desired item to move to it.

To open or start it, Press ENTER.”

 

This is, of course, true. However, it’s a bit too technical for some users. What’s a list view? What’s an application icon? Why can’t it say something like the following.

 

““You are on the desktop.

The desktop contains a list of items such as programs, folders or even documents.

Press up, down, left or right arrow to move to each of these items.

You can also press the first letter of an item to immediately move to that item.

When you find an item that you want to open, press enter.”

 

Writing documentation is an art more so than a science. Admittedly, it’s not easy to write documentation which appeals or speaks to all users. I do think, however, that the needs of the new or inexperienced user should be considered when preparing the documentation.

 

Beginner and Expert Mode

One of the features which Window-Eyes offered was the ability to have two separate modes. When Window-Eyes was first installed it would default to a beginner mode. In this mode, not all menu options were available. However, the screen reader did contain just enough features to allow the new user to control basic options, such as adjusting speech settings. Once you switched to the advanced mode you would find that all of the menu options were available to access. I used to provide training to blind and visually impaired adults in the use of assistive technology and many of them wouldn’t initially need some of the more advanced features which JAWS has to offer. This might also be a good reason to alter some of the screen sensitive help, perhaps simplifying the language when JAWS is in its novice mode.

 

Allow the User to Customize Screen Sensitive Help

One feature which would solve the problem of confusing or overly technical language in the screen sensitive help would be a way to allow the user to customize or alter these messages. This is something which Window-Eyes allowed the user to do. It would be fabulous if assistive technology instructors could do this as we could then modify these messages and adjust them for the needs of the individual users they are working with. They could, for example, add specific instructions or other hints that might be applicable to that user’s particular computer. Perhaps this could be done with another hotkey which might be missed or too complex for a user to accidentally press, such as insert+shift+F1.

 

Remove “Task Switching” Message When Pressing Alt+Tab

Many times JAWS says “task switching” when the alt+tab key has been pressed. Sometimes, it even says this twice. Depending on the voice being used and on the speed of that voice this message can be both annoying as well as time-consuming and it simply doesn’t need to be spoken at all. Can we please just have that message eliminated?

 

 

Improved Support for LibreOffice

I think we can all agree that the support JAWS offers for Microsoft Office, at least when it comes to Word, Excel and Outlook, is superb. If you use a screen reader and you need to compose and edit documents or spreadsheets Office is definitely the package to get, particularly if you’re a JAWS user. However, Office isn’t free of cost. Sure, you can subscribe to Office 365 on an annual or even on a monthly basis but the fact is that some people simply can’t afford the extra expense. Fortunately, there are some free alternatives, one of which is LibreOffice, available from the Document Foundation. LibreOffice does offer basic accessibility and works reasonably well with JAWS. However, it doesn’t offer the extra level of accessibility that we’ve come to expect with Office products, such as Word and Excel. As an example, LibreOffice Writer should include the same configuration options found within the Quick Settings dialog as we have for Microsoft Word. Users who either can’t afford Office or who just want an alternative to Office deserve the same level of access.

 

Improved Support for Popular Antimalware Programs

This is a topic I’ve written about previously. Years ago I would have never recommended Microsoft’s Windows Defender as its ability to defend against malware was pretty lackluster. However, recent reviews suggest that this is changing for the better and Windows Defender can now be considered a reasonably good antimalware solution. While I personally believe that Defender has a somewhat unintuitive user interface the fact is that it is very accessible with screen readers and it’s safer and more reliable now than it was in the past. However, JAWS still needs better access to today’s more popular and commonly used security solutions. A few years ago I wrote a review of Kaspersky Antivirus and how it works with the NVDA screen reader. With JAWS I find that access to Kaspersky is a bit hit and miss. At times JAWS actually did a fairly good job reading most of the labeled buttons in the main Kaspersky window, even better than what I experienced with NVDA. I noticed this improved performance shortly after installing Kaspersky but the performance in this window totally degraded after a while. Perhaps this was due to a Kaspersky program update which introduced accessibility regressions. Navigating with the touch cursor helps but access to this and other critical packages needs to be top-notch. Freedom Scientific should invest the same amount of resources in making the top antimalware programs accessible as much as it does in making other programs accessible, such as Microsoft Office and Google Chrome. I’ll agree that developers of these programs should take responsibility and include accessibility in all of their software. However, it may take some serious advocacy on the part of screen reader developers to make this happen. Screen reader developers should also assist, where possible, in writing scripts to make these packages as accessible as they do with Microsoft Office. Having robust security on our Windows machines is essential. However, these programs are useless if they generate warning messages or if they require our input and we’re unable to reliably access these messages and interact with their controls

 

Improved Support for Mozilla Thunderbird

Mozilla Thunderbird has been my preferred email program of choice for over ten years. On my computer its performance is faster than Microsoft Outlook and its commands are similar to Outlook. JAWS does offer some support for Thunderbird but I would suggest that this support needs to be improved. Here are some examples.

·         It is currently either impossible or, at least, exceedingly difficult, to reorder the columns in a mailbox. Some of this is Mozilla’s fault for not providing a keyboard-friendly way to do this. Currently, I have to use the Mozilla Apps Enhancements addon for NVDA in order to perform this task. This means that I have to unload JAWS and then load NVDA inn order to easily reorder columns in the message list from the keyboard.

·         Allow a hotkey to move to or open a list of attachments

·         Remove the title of the message from the top line of the message, including the occasional “X Unicode” symbol. The first line of an email message should be the first actual line of text that appears in the message body, just as what we have with Microsoft Outlook.

·         When deleting messages from a message list, such as the inbox, please remove the occasional “not selected, not selected” prompts that JAWS occasionally says.

In short, I’d like to see the same level of accessibility in Mozilla Thunderbird that we already enjoy with Microsoft Outlook.

 

Conclusion

That wraps up my wish list for features that I’d personally like to see added to JAWS 2020 and beyond. As JAWS is a fabulous screen reader now celebrating its 25th anniversary users should be treated to a landmark, game changing and innovative release for the JAWS 2020 cycle. I’d love to read your comments as to features that you’d like to see added to JAWS.

 

 

-- 
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org


moderated From My Blog: My Feature Wish List for JAWS 2020

David Goldfield
 

My Feature Wish List for JAWS 2020

Introduction

A little over a year ago I wrote a blog post explaining why I chose to add JAWS to my accessibility toolbox for my screen reading needs. I still use NVDA on a regular basis but I must say that I use JAWS as my primary screen reader. I will always continue to endorse NVDA as it is a very good screen reader and fills a very important need, providing a free screen reader supporting around 50 languages, ensuring that visually impaired people around the world have free access to a Windows computer. However, JAWS offers some tools and features which are not found in NVDA, some of which I mentioned in the previously referenced blog post. And if those features weren’t enough I have even more capabilities with the amazing third party Leasey software, available at a very reasonable price from Hartgen Consultancy.

With all of the capabilities being offered by JAWS as well as from Leasey there are still some features that I’d like to see added to JAWS. The 2020 version of JAWS is a bit of a milestone for Vispero as we are heading into the 25th anniversary for the JAWS screen reader. Very few software packages can boast that they’ve been available for such a long period of time, let alone specialized software such as screen readers. JAWS has consistently been available for nearly 25 years, constantly fixing bugs as well as adding new features and refining existing ones. I’d like to see Vispero add some special features to celebrate the 25th anniversary of what has become a fabulous and extremely capable and powerful screen reader.

I don’t necessarily feel that a ton of new features should be introduced all at once. In the past the company would introduce a new major update in September, bumping up the version number and adding lots of new features, with maintenance updates being released every few months after that to fix bugs and refine the newly added features. Starting with JAWS 2019 I’m noticing a slight shift in the way features are being introduced. Rather than releasing one major update with a boatload of new features the company seems to be adding features throughout the release cycle for that particular version, as they did when they added Picture Smart, the image recognition feature, around March of 2019. I highly approve of this approach and it’s one that I wish more companies would consider adopting. Releasing one massive update with a ton of new features potentially means more bugs that users will have to contend with, making more work for the development team. Introducing a few new features at a time means the opposite: less work for Vispero’s developers and a smoother experience for those of us who use the software and who depend on it to behave reliably. Microsoft does this with Office 365 but I wish they’d adopt this approach with Windows 10 and I sure wish Apple would do this with iOS.

Now that I have that preamble out of the way here is my personal wish list of features that I’d like to see added to JAWS 2020 and beyond.

 

A More Flexible Way to Copy Web Content to the Clipboard.

Fortunately, Leasey does address this issue rather nicely, for which I’m very grateful. However, for the benefit of those users who may not even know that Leasey exists let me explain the current situation. In addition to using standard selection commands to select and copy content from a Web page into the clipboard JAWS has another method for selecting text. However, the steps to do this must be followed just so in order for this feature to work. Here is how you must do it.

1.       Move the virtual cursor to the beginning of the block of text you’d like to copy. I usually do this at the beginning of the block of text but I believe that you can start at the end of the block.

2.       Press ctrl+Windows+K. This sets a temporary place marker at the location of the virtual cursor.

3.       Move the virtual cursor to the end of the block of text to be copied.

4.       Press the layered keystroke insert+space.

5.       Press the letter M (for mark.)

6.       Press ctrl+C to copy the block of text to the clipboard.

Admittedly, this set of steps is easier than holding down the shift key and using navigation commands. However, I’d like to see a little more flexibility. As an example, why not allow the user to place a mark at the beginning and at the end of the block of text using the same hotkey. Even better, could there be a way to place a mark at one of the block and then, after moving to the other end of the block, have a hotkey which copies the text from the mark to the current cursor location into the clipboard?

 

Allow JAWS to Start in Safe Mode

There’s not much more that I could say beyond the above heading. I believe that Narrator can do this and, if memory serves, Window-Eyes also offered this capability. There are times when we may need to start our computers in safe mode to troubleshoot a problem and currently JAWS doesn’t function when in this mode.

 

Cursor Keys Feature From Window-Eyes

Users of the Window-Eyes screen reader, which is no longer available, will likely remember the cursor keys feature. For the benefit of those who may be unfamiliar with this feature I will explain how it works.

The Cursor Keys feature allowed you to assign functions to a cursor navigation feature without taking away the key’s original function. Here’s an example.

Suppose that I want the Home key to speak the character to the right of the cursor but I still want that key to move the cursor to the beginning of the line when I press it. This would mean that pressing the Home key moves the cursor to the beginning of the current line of text and then the screen reader would then speak the character at the cursor position. Window-Eyes allowed for this with a feature called Cursor Keys, which was also available in the Vocal-Eyes screen reader for DOS. You would first pick the cursor key you wanted to assign a function to, such as home, end, page-up, page-down, up arrow, down arrow, etc. You then had a list of functions which you could then assign to the cursor key you had chosen. You could actually select up to two separate functions for the cursor key but bear in mind that the cursor key would still do what it was intended to do. With JAWS, you can access the Keyboard Manager and assign a script to a cursor key but doing so will usually prevent that key from performing its original function. If you know the JAWS scripting language you could, of course, write a script and assign it to that key and you could then have that key perform any function or set of functions that you wanted it to do. The point is that Window-Eyes allowed you to do this without needing to worry about writing scripts. In my opinion, since Vispero made the decision to stop developing Window-Eyes they should consider adding features which were unique to that screen reader to JAWS so that JAWS users can continue to enjoy and benefit from those features.

 

Add Acapela Voices

It’s true that JAWS does ship with a fairly wide array of voices. In addition to Eloquence, which I still use and often prefer, we now have access to voices from Nuance, as well as being able to use Microsoft’s own set of voices. However, I’m quite a fan of Acapela’s voices and I’d like to see them included with JAWS, even as an optional download.

 

Allow Dialogs to be Navigated and Interacted With Using the Virtual Cursor

To some extent this is something that Narrator is beginning to do and I would absolutely love to see this capability added to JAWS. Currently, when a dialog appears you can navigate the dialog by pressing tab or shift+tab to move from one actionable item to the next. By actionable item I’m referring to items such as buttons, edit fields and combo boxes that you can not only access but which you can also interact with by pressing keys such as arrow keys to navigate within a combo box or the space key to press a button. This is fine but many dialog boxes contain textual information that you would otherwise miss if all you did was to navigate by pressing the tab key. You could use the JAWS cursor to navigate through a dialog box but this cursor may not always function in all dialog boxes. Also, you have to remember to press the slash key on the number pad to press a button. You could place the dialog in the virtual viewer by pressing insert+alt+W but all you can do in this mode is to read it. If you want to interact with the dialog you would have to press escape first to exit this mode. What I’m requesting is the equivalent of Narrator’s scan mode. While in a dialog pressing insert+Z would convert the current screen into the equivalent of a dynamic Web page. This would still allow you to navigate the dialog by pressing tab or shift+tab as you always have done in the past. However, you could also use standard cursor keys to navigate through the dialog just as you currently use them to navigate Web pages. Informational text would be instantly readable. Combo boxes, edit fields and list boxes would allow you to press enter while you’re focused on them which would then enter forms mode, allowing you to interact with them. Pressing enter or space on a button would press or activate that button. This capability would allow dialog boxes to be navigated with the same level of efficiency that we already have with Web page navigation.

 

Startup and Closing Sounds for JAWS

This is certainly not a major feature request and it might have very little impact on most users. However, it would be nice to have the ability to have a sound file played when JAWS first starts or when it closes, either during a Windows shutdown or when a user chooses to close it.

 

Allow Users to Assign a JAWS Hotkey During the Startup Wizard

During the startup wizard JAWS should give the user the option of assigning a hotkey to start JAWS in the event that it’s been shut down. Many users know how to do this by accessing the JAWS properties on the desktop. Some users may not know how to do this and JAWS should make it easier for both groups of users. Window-Eyes used ctrl+alt+W as its shortcut key and NVDA uses ctrl+alt+N. Can JAWS please give the user the option to use ctrl+alt+J or, better yet, allow them to assign their own?

 

Progress Indicator Tones

This is something which I’m honestly surprised that JAWS hasn’t implemented years ago, considering that this feature existed in Window-Eyes and has been a part of NVDA, perhaps even before that screen reader’s first public non-beta release in 2009. I’m referring to the percentages you often hear when performing an action such as installing a piece of software or when copying a large file or group of files from one folder to the next. Leasey from Hartgen Consultancy implemented this feature in 2019 and I was one of the users who requested it. Still, this is something which I think Vispero should consider adding to JAWS as a standard feature which could optionally be either turned on or off by the user.

 

Allow the User to Assign Numbers and Punctuation Keys When Using the Navigation Quick Key Manager

 

I love the navigation quick key manager. As an example of how I use it I’ve chosen to assign the “any link” hotkey to the letter K as I got very used to being able to navigate links with K and shift+K with NVDA. For those who wonder what I did with the Placemarkers hotkey I assigned that to M and unassigned the ability to navigate by frames, as this is a feature that I don’t really need. I’d like to see the capability of assigning keys to these functions other than letters, such as numbers, punctuation keys or keys which are specific to the number pad.

 

Script Writing Wizard

The JAWS scripting language is perhaps one of the most powerful features found within JAWS. By writing scripts you can add features and capabilities to JAWS that many people wouldn’t even think that a screen reader could do. As proof of this just visit Hartgen Consultancy to see what Brian Hartgen has been able to accomplish with JAWS scripting. However, let’s be honest. The scripting language is a programming language and it needs to be learned in order for it to be mastered. Why not make this a bit easier by implementing a script writing wizard for new or inexperienced users. It could prompt them with a series of questions with choices for things like “what would you like this script to do”, with a list of functions from which to choose. It could perhaps work a bit like the Cursor Keys dialog did in Window-Eyes. Perhaps an interface like this wouldn’t be able to offer every type of function but it would at least allow most users to write some basic scripts.

 

JAWS Script Repository

Over the years many people have written scripts for JAWS. While some are available for purchase many of them, perhaps most of them, are available at no cost. The problem is that you either have to know where to obtain them or you have to perform some Google searches and hope that you’ll be able to locate them. This never made sense to me. It would be like buying a Kindle and then finding out that the only way to download books for it is to go to sites such as Joe’s Kindle Books or some other third-party site. NV Access offers its official addon repository for NVDA users and Window-Eyes offered Script Central, which behaved much like an app store, allowing users to browse, download and install scripts right from the screen reader itself. I never understood why Vispero didn’t host its own script repository for its users. This would greatly extend the capabilities of JAWS for many users.

 

USE AI to Guess and Reclass Controls

JAWS is now starting to use artificial intelligence to recognize photos with its recently added Picture Smart feature. However, what would be both very helpful as well as innovative would be to have the option of having AI attempting to identify controls and then reclassing them. As an example, if you had a control which looked and behaved like a button but which wasn’t an actual button it would be fantastic if JAWS could examine the control and say, “hmmmm, that looks like it could be a button” and then JAWS could then allow the user to interact with that control as if it was a button. This would have to be an option which the user would need to enable, as JAWS could certainly make some incorrect guesses.  

 

Improved Help

The documentation that comes with JAWS has always been both accurate as well as comprehensive. The problem that I have with it is, to be frank, that it’s dry and sometimes uses overly technical language which could go over the heads of some users, particularly those who may be new to computers.

As an example, if you are on the Windows desktop and you press insert+F1 for context sensitive help or what JAWS refers to as screen sensitive help, you will receive this message, which begins with the following text.

“The desktop list view contains application icons and desktop items.”

Press the first letter of the desired item to move to it.

To open or start it, Press ENTER.”

 

This is, of course, true. However, it’s a bit too technical for some users. What’s a list view? What’s an application icon? Why can’t it say something like the following.

 

““You are on the desktop.

The desktop contains a list of items such as programs, folders or even documents.

Press up, down, left or right arrow to move to each of these items.

You can also press the first letter of an item to immediately move to that item.

When you find an item that you want to open, press enter.”

 

Writing documentation is an art more so than a science. Admittedly, it’s not easy to write documentation which appeals or speaks to all users. I do think, however, that the needs of the new or inexperienced user should be considered when preparing the documentation.

 

Beginner and Expert Mode

One of the features which Window-Eyes offered was the ability to have two separate modes. When Window-Eyes was first installed it would default to a beginner mode. In this mode, not all menu options were available. However, the screen reader did contain just enough features to allow the new user to control basic options, such as adjusting speech settings. Once you switched to the advanced mode you would find that all of the menu options were available to access. I used to provide training to blind and visually impaired adults in the use of assistive technology and many of them wouldn’t initially need some of the more advanced features which JAWS has to offer. This might also be a good reason to alter some of the screen sensitive help, perhaps simplifying the language when JAWS is in its novice mode.

 

Allow the User to Customize Screen Sensitive Help

One feature which would solve the problem of confusing or overly technical language in the screen sensitive help would be a way to allow the user to customize or alter these messages. This is something which Window-Eyes allowed the user to do. It would be fabulous if assistive technology instructors could do this as we could then modify these messages and adjust them for the needs of the individual users they are working with. They could, for example, add specific instructions or other hints that might be applicable to that user’s particular computer. Perhaps this could be done with another hotkey which might be missed or too complex for a user to accidentally press, such as insert+shift+F1.

 

Remove “Task Switching” Message When Pressing Alt+Tab

Many times JAWS says “task switching” when the alt+tab key has been pressed. Sometimes, it even says this twice. Depending on the voice being used and on the speed of that voice this message can be both annoying as well as time-consuming and it simply doesn’t need to be spoken at all. Can we please just have that message eliminated?

 

 

Improved Support for LibreOffice

I think we can all agree that the support JAWS offers for Microsoft Office, at least when it comes to Word, Excel and Outlook, is superb. If you use a screen reader and you need to compose and edit documents or spreadsheets Office is definitely the package to get, particularly if you’re a JAWS user. However, Office isn’t free of cost. Sure, you can subscribe to Office 365 on an annual or even on a monthly basis but the fact is that some people simply can’t afford the extra expense. Fortunately, there are some free alternatives, one of which is LibreOffice, available from the Document Foundation. LibreOffice does offer basic accessibility and works reasonably well with JAWS. However, it doesn’t offer the extra level of accessibility that we’ve come to expect with Office products, such as Word and Excel. As an example, LibreOffice Writer should include the same configuration options found within the Quick Settings dialog as we have for Microsoft Word. Users who either can’t afford Office or who just want an alternative to Office deserve the same level of access.

 

Improved Support for Popular Antimalware Programs

This is a topic I’ve written about previously. Years ago I would have never recommended Microsoft’s Windows Defender as its ability to defend against malware was pretty lackluster. However, recent reviews suggest that this is changing for the better and Windows Defender can now be considered a reasonably good antimalware solution. While I personally believe that Defender has a somewhat unintuitive user interface the fact is that it is very accessible with screen readers and it’s safer and more reliable now than it was in the past. However, JAWS still needs better access to today’s more popular and commonly used security solutions. A few years ago I wrote a review of Kaspersky Antivirus and how it works with the NVDA screen reader. With JAWS I find that access to Kaspersky is a bit hit and miss. At times JAWS actually did a fairly good job reading most of the labeled buttons in the main Kaspersky window, even better than what I experienced with NVDA. I noticed this improved performance shortly after installing Kaspersky but the performance in this window totally degraded after a while. Perhaps this was due to a Kaspersky program update which introduced accessibility regressions. Navigating with the touch cursor helps but access to this and other critical packages needs to be top-notch. Freedom Scientific should invest the same amount of resources in making the top antimalware programs accessible as much as it does in making other programs accessible, such as Microsoft Office and Google Chrome. I’ll agree that developers of these programs should take responsibility and include accessibility in all of their software. However, it may take some serious advocacy on the part of screen reader developers to make this happen. Screen reader developers should also assist, where possible, in writing scripts to make these packages as accessible as they do with Microsoft Office. Having robust security on our Windows machines is essential. However, these programs are useless if they generate warning messages or if they require our input and we’re unable to reliably access these messages and interact with their controls

 

Improved Support for Mozilla Thunderbird

Mozilla Thunderbird has been my preferred email program of choice for over ten years. On my computer its performance is faster than Microsoft Outlook and its commands are similar to Outlook. JAWS does offer some support for Thunderbird but I would suggest that this support needs to be improved. Here are some examples.

·         It is currently either impossible or, at least, exceedingly difficult, to reorder the columns in a mailbox. Some of this is Mozilla’s fault for not providing a keyboard-friendly way to do this. Currently, I have to use the Mozilla Apps Enhancements addon for NVDA in order to perform this task. This means that I have to unload JAWS and then load NVDA inn order to easily reorder columns in the message list from the keyboard.

·         Allow a hotkey to move to or open a list of attachments

·         Remove the title of the message from the top line of the message, including the occasional “X Unicode” symbol. The first line of an email message should be the first actual line of text that appears in the message body, just as what we have with Microsoft Outlook.

·         When deleting messages from a message list, such as the inbox, please remove the occasional “not selected, not selected” prompts that JAWS occasionally says.

In short, I’d like to see the same level of accessibility in Mozilla Thunderbird that we already enjoy with Microsoft Outlook.

 

Conclusion

That wraps up my wish list for features that I’d personally like to see added to JAWS 2020 and beyond. As JAWS is a fabulous screen reader now celebrating its 25th anniversary users should be treated to a landmark, game changing and innovative release for the JAWS 2020 cycle. I’d love to read your comments as to features that you’d like to see added to JAWS.

 

 

-- 
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org


moderated TW Blue Not Speaking with JAWS 2018 Problem Returned

Steve Matzura
 

Occasionally, seemingly more often now than a couple weeks ago, TW Blue does not speak when its access keys are pressed. However, I do get the top and bottom of buffer sounds when I exceed those boundaries.


For anyone who wants to see them, here are the logs from the most recent startup:


1. Debug.log:


01/01/2020 21:19:26 main DEBUG: Starting TWBlue 0.95
01/01/2020 21:19:26 config DEBUG: Loading global app settings...
01/01/2020 21:19:26 config DEBUG: Loading keymap...
01/01/2020 21:19:26 main DEBUG: Using Windows 64bit
01/01/2020 21:19:26 main DEBUG: Application path is C:\Program Files\twblue
01/01/2020 21:19:26 main DEBUG: config path  is C:\Users\Steve Matzura\AppData\Roaming\TW blue\config
01/01/2020 21:19:26 sound DEBUG: creating stream URL player...
01/01/2020 21:19:26 sound DEBUG: URL Player initialized
01/01/2020 21:19:28 fixes.fix_libloader DEBUG: Applying fix for Libloader...
01/01/2020 21:19:28 fixes.fix_libloader DEBUG: Load_com has been mapped correctly.
01/01/2020 21:19:28 core.output DEBUG: Initializing output subsystem.
01/01/2020 21:19:28 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: Starting new HTTPS connection (1): twblue.es:443
01/01/2020 21:19:30 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://twblue.es:443 "GET /updates/stable.php HTTP/1.1" 200 None
01/01/2020 21:19:30 update DEBUG: No update for this architecture
01/01/2020 21:19:30 sessionmanager.sessionManager DEBUG: Setting up the session manager.
01/01/2020 21:19:30 multiplatform_widgets.widgets DEBUG: Creating list: Columns: (u'Account',), arguments: {'style': 8224}
01/01/2020 21:19:30 sessionmanager.sessionManager DEBUG: Filling the sessions list.
01/01/2020 21:19:30 sessionmanager.sessionManager DEBUG: Adding session 773.15
01/01/2020 21:19:30 sessionmanager.sessionManager DEBUG: Starting sessions...
01/01/2020 21:19:30 sessionmanager.session DEBUG: Creating config file 773.15/session.conf
01/01/2020 21:19:30 sound DEBUG: Setting input and output devices...
01/01/2020 21:19:30 sound ERROR: Error in input or output devices, using defaults...
01/01/2020 21:19:30 sessions.twitterSession DEBUG: Logging in to twitter...
01/01/2020 21:19:30 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: Starting new HTTPS connection (1): api.twitter.com:443
01/01/2020 21:19:31 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/account/verify_credentials.json HTTP/1.1" 200 1005
01/01/2020 21:19:31 sessions.twitterSession DEBUG: Logged.
01/01/2020 21:19:31 mainController DEBUG: Binding other application events...
01/01/2020 21:19:31 mainController DEBUG: Binding the exit function...
01/01/2020 21:19:31 mainController DEBUG: Creating buffers for all sessions...
01/01/2020 21:19:31 mainController DEBUG: Working on session 773.15
01/01/2020 21:19:31 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/account/settings.json HTTP/1.1" 200 466
01/01/2020 21:19:31 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/users/show.json?screen_name=SteveMatzura HTTP/1.1" 200 1008
01/01/2020 21:19:31 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/help/languages.json HTTP/1.1" 200 1051
01/01/2020 21:19:31 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/lists/list.json?reverse=true HTTP/1.1" 200 979
01/01/2020 21:19:31 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/mutes/users/ids.json HTTP/1.1" 200 95
01/01/2020 21:19:31 controller.buffers.baseBuffers DEBUG: Initializing buffer SteveMatzura, account SteveMatzura
01/01/2020 21:19:31 controller.buffers DEBUG: Initializing buffer home_timeline, account SteveMatzura
01/01/2020 21:19:31 multiplatform_widgets.widgets DEBUG: Creating list: Columns: (u'User', u'Text', u'Date', u'Client'), arguments: {'style': 8225}
01/01/2020 21:19:31 controller.buffers DEBUG: Compose_function: <function compose_tweet at 0x00000000068842E8>
01/01/2020 21:19:31 controller.buffers DEBUG: Binding events...
01/01/2020 21:19:31 controller.buffers DEBUG: Initializing buffer mentions, account SteveMatzura
01/01/2020 21:19:31 multiplatform_widgets.widgets DEBUG: Creating list: Columns: (u'User', u'Text', u'Date', u'Client'), arguments: {'style': 8225}
01/01/2020 21:19:31 controller.buffers DEBUG: Compose_function: <function compose_tweet at 0x00000000068842E8>
01/01/2020 21:19:31 controller.buffers DEBUG: Binding events...
01/01/2020 21:19:31 controller.buffers DEBUG: Initializing buffer direct_messages, account SteveMatzura
01/01/2020 21:19:31 multiplatform_widgets.widgets DEBUG: Creating list: Columns: (u'User', u'Text', u'Date', u'Client'), arguments: {'style': 8225}
01/01/2020 21:19:31 controller.buffers DEBUG: Compose_function: <function compose_direct_message at 0x0000000006884358>
01/01/2020 21:19:31 controller.buffers DEBUG: Binding events...
01/01/2020 21:19:31 controller.buffers DEBUG: Initializing buffer sent_direct_messages, account SteveMatzura
01/01/2020 21:19:31 multiplatform_widgets.widgets DEBUG: Creating list: Columns: (u'User', u'Text', u'Date', u'Client'), arguments: {'style': 8225}
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Compose_function: <function compose_direct_message at 0x0000000006884358>
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Binding events...
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Initializing buffer sent_tweets, account SteveMatzura
01/01/2020 21:19:32 multiplatform_widgets.widgets DEBUG: Creating list: Columns: (u'User', u'Text', u'Date', u'Client'), arguments: {'style': 8225}
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Compose_function: <function compose_tweet at 0x00000000068842E8>
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Binding events...
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Initializing buffer favourites, account SteveMatzura
01/01/2020 21:19:32 multiplatform_widgets.widgets DEBUG: Creating list: Columns: (u'User', u'Text', u'Date', u'Client'), arguments: {'style': 8225}
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Compose_function: <function compose_tweet at 0x00000000068842E8>
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Binding events...
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Initializing buffer followers, account SteveMatzura
01/01/2020 21:19:32 multiplatform_widgets.widgets DEBUG: Creating list: Columns: (u'User',), arguments: {'style': 8224, 'size': (800, 800)}
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Compose_function: <function compose_tweet at 0x00000000068842E8>
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Binding events...
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Initializing buffer followers, account SteveMatzura
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Compose_function: <function compose_followers_list at 0x0000000006884438>
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Initializing buffer friends, account SteveMatzura
01/01/2020 21:19:32 multiplatform_widgets.widgets DEBUG: Creating list: Columns: (u'User',), arguments: {'style': 8224, 'size': (800, 800)}
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Compose_function: <function compose_tweet at 0x00000000068842E8>
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Binding events...
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Initializing buffer friends, account SteveMatzura
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Compose_function: <function compose_followers_list at 0x0000000006884438>
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Initializing buffer blocked, account SteveMatzura
01/01/2020 21:19:32 multiplatform_widgets.widgets DEBUG: Creating list: Columns: (u'User',), arguments: {'style': 8224, 'size': (800, 800)}
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Compose_function: <function compose_tweet at 0x00000000068842E8>
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Binding events...
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Initializing buffer blocked, account SteveMatzura
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Compose_function: <function compose_followers_list at 0x0000000006884438>
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Initializing buffer muted, account SteveMatzura
01/01/2020 21:19:32 multiplatform_widgets.widgets DEBUG: Creating list: Columns: (u'User',), arguments: {'style': 8224, 'size': (800, 800)}
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Compose_function: <function compose_tweet at 0x00000000068842E8>
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Binding events...
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Initializing buffer muted, account SteveMatzura
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Compose_function: <function compose_followers_list at 0x0000000006884438>
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers.baseBuffers DEBUG: Initializing buffer timelines, account SteveMatzura
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers.baseBuffers DEBUG: Initializing buffer favs_timelines, account SteveMatzura
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers.baseBuffers DEBUG: Initializing buffer followers_timelines, account SteveMatzura
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers.baseBuffers DEBUG: Initializing buffer friends_timelines, account SteveMatzura
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers.baseBuffers DEBUG: Initializing buffer lists, account SteveMatzura
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers.baseBuffers DEBUG: Initializing buffer searches, account SteveMatzura
01/01/2020 21:19:32 mainController DEBUG: Setting updates to buffers every 60 seconds...
01/01/2020 21:19:32 mainController DEBUG: starting buffers... Session 773.15
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for buffer home_timeline, account SteveMatzura and type baseBuffer
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {'tweet_mode': 'extended'}
01/01/2020 21:19:32 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/statuses/home_timeline.json?count=100&tweet_mode=extended HTTP/1.1" 200 51465
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Number of items retrieved: 98
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: The list contains 0 items
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Putting 98 items on the list
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Now the list contains 98 items
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for buffer mentions, account SteveMatzura and type baseBuffer
01/01/2020 21:19:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {'tweet_mode': 'extended'}
01/01/2020 21:19:33 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/statuses/mentions_timeline.json?count=100&tweet_mode=extended HTTP/1.1" 200 24116
01/01/2020 21:19:33 controller.buffers DEBUG: Number of items retrieved: 95
01/01/2020 21:19:33 controller.buffers DEBUG: The list contains 0 items
01/01/2020 21:19:33 controller.buffers DEBUG: Putting 95 items on the list
01/01/2020 21:19:33 controller.buffers DEBUG: Now the list contains 95 items
01/01/2020 21:19:33 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for buffer direct_messages, account SteveMatzura and type dm
01/01/2020 21:19:33 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {'items': 'events', 'full_text': True}
01/01/2020 21:19:33 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/direct_messages/events/list.json?count=100&full_text=true HTTP/1.1" 200 4802
01/01/2020 21:19:33 controller.buffers DEBUG: The list contains 0 items
01/01/2020 21:19:33 controller.buffers DEBUG: Putting 32 items on the list
01/01/2020 21:19:33 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/users/show.json?id=16412947 HTTP/1.1" 200 1008
01/01/2020 21:19:33 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/users/show.json?id=560228759 HTTP/1.1" 200 1105
01/01/2020 21:19:33 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/users/show.json?id=383409051 HTTP/1.1" 200 1047
01/01/2020 21:19:33 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/users/show.json?id=305588679 HTTP/1.1" 200 1128
01/01/2020 21:19:33 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/users/show.json?id=101027961 HTTP/1.1" 200 1164
01/01/2020 21:19:33 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/users/show.json?id=158643128 HTTP/1.1" 200 1037
01/01/2020 21:19:33 controller.buffers DEBUG: Now the list contains 32 items
01/01/2020 21:19:33 controller.buffers DEBUG: The list contains 0 items
01/01/2020 21:19:33 controller.buffers DEBUG: Putting 18 items on the list
01/01/2020 21:19:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: Now the list contains 18 items
01/01/2020 21:19:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for buffer sent_tweets, account SteveMatzura and type baseBuffer
01/01/2020 21:19:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {'tweet_mode': 'extended', 'screen_name': u'SteveMatzura'}
01/01/2020 21:19:34 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/statuses/user_timeline.json?count=100&tweet_mode=extended&screen_name=SteveMatzura HTTP/1.1" 200 18823
01/01/2020 21:19:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: Number of items retrieved: 100
01/01/2020 21:19:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: The list contains 0 items
01/01/2020 21:19:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: Putting 100 items on the list
01/01/2020 21:19:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: Now the list contains 100 items
01/01/2020 21:19:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for buffer favourites, account SteveMatzura and type baseBuffer
01/01/2020 21:19:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {'tweet_mode': 'extended'}
01/01/2020 21:19:34 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/favorites/list.json?count=100&tweet_mode=extended HTTP/1.1" 200 1850
01/01/2020 21:19:34 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: Starting new HTTP connection (1): api.twishort.com:80
01/01/2020 21:19:34 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: http://api.twishort.com:80 "GET /1.1/get.json?api_key=d757b8e7f9221d8b95880a02bab524b7&uri=Vhnkc HTTP/1.1" 200 None
01/01/2020 21:19:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: Number of items retrieved: 2
01/01/2020 21:19:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: The list contains 0 items
01/01/2020 21:19:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: Putting 2 items on the list
01/01/2020 21:19:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: Now the list contains 2 items
01/01/2020 21:19:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for followers buffer, SteveMatzura account
01/01/2020 21:19:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {'screen_name': u'SteveMatzura'}
01/01/2020 21:19:35 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/followers/list.json?count=100&screen_name=SteveMatzura HTTP/1.1" 200 42880
01/01/2020 21:19:35 controller.buffers DEBUG: The list contains 0 items
01/01/2020 21:19:35 controller.buffers DEBUG: now the list contains 100 items
01/01/2020 21:19:35 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for friends buffer, SteveMatzura account
01/01/2020 21:19:35 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {'screen_name': u'SteveMatzura'}
01/01/2020 21:19:35 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/friends/list.json?count=100&screen_name=SteveMatzura HTTP/1.1" 200 42152
01/01/2020 21:19:35 controller.buffers DEBUG: The list contains 0 items
01/01/2020 21:19:36 controller.buffers DEBUG: now the list contains 100 items
01/01/2020 21:19:36 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for blocked buffer, SteveMatzura account
01/01/2020 21:19:36 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {}
01/01/2020 21:19:36 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/blocks/list.json?count=100 HTTP/1.1" 200 5196
01/01/2020 21:19:36 controller.buffers DEBUG: The list contains 0 items
01/01/2020 21:19:36 controller.buffers DEBUG: now the list contains 13 items
01/01/2020 21:19:36 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for muted buffer, SteveMatzura account
01/01/2020 21:19:36 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {}
01/01/2020 21:19:36 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/mutes/users/list.json?count=100 HTTP/1.1" 200 97
01/01/2020 21:19:36 controller.buffers DEBUG: The list contains 0 items
01/01/2020 21:19:36 controller.buffers DEBUG: now the list contains 0 items
01/01/2020 21:20:32 sessions.twitterSession DEBUG: Executing check connection...
01/01/2020 21:20:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for buffer home_timeline, account SteveMatzura and type baseBuffer
01/01/2020 21:20:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {'tweet_mode': 'extended'}
01/01/2020 21:20:32 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/statuses/home_timeline.json?count=100&tweet_mode=extended HTTP/1.1" 200 51469
01/01/2020 21:20:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Number of items retrieved: 0
01/01/2020 21:20:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for buffer mentions, account SteveMatzura and type baseBuffer
01/01/2020 21:20:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {'tweet_mode': 'extended'}
01/01/2020 21:20:32 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/statuses/mentions_timeline.json?count=100&tweet_mode=extended HTTP/1.1" 200 24117
01/01/2020 21:20:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Number of items retrieved: 0
01/01/2020 21:20:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for buffer direct_messages, account SteveMatzura and type dm
01/01/2020 21:20:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {'items': 'events', 'full_text': True}
01/01/2020 21:20:32 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/direct_messages/events/list.json?count=100&full_text=true HTTP/1.1" 200 4802
01/01/2020 21:20:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for buffer sent_tweets, account SteveMatzura and type baseBuffer
01/01/2020 21:20:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {'tweet_mode': 'extended', 'screen_name': u'SteveMatzura'}
01/01/2020 21:20:32 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/statuses/user_timeline.json?count=100&tweet_mode=extended&screen_name=SteveMatzura HTTP/1.1" 200 18823
01/01/2020 21:20:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Number of items retrieved: 0
01/01/2020 21:20:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for buffer favourites, account SteveMatzura and type baseBuffer
01/01/2020 21:20:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {'tweet_mode': 'extended'}
01/01/2020 21:20:32 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/favorites/list.json?count=100&tweet_mode=extended HTTP/1.1" 200 1850
01/01/2020 21:20:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Number of items retrieved: 0
01/01/2020 21:20:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for followers buffer, SteveMatzura account
01/01/2020 21:20:32 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {'screen_name': u'SteveMatzura'}
01/01/2020 21:20:33 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/followers/list.json?count=100&screen_name=SteveMatzura HTTP/1.1" 200 42882
01/01/2020 21:20:33 controller.buffers DEBUG: The list contains 100 items
01/01/2020 21:20:33 controller.buffers DEBUG: now the list contains 100 items
01/01/2020 21:20:33 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for friends buffer, SteveMatzura account
01/01/2020 21:20:33 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {'screen_name': u'SteveMatzura'}
01/01/2020 21:20:33 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/friends/list.json?count=100&screen_name=SteveMatzura HTTP/1.1" 200 42147
01/01/2020 21:20:33 controller.buffers DEBUG: The list contains 100 items
01/01/2020 21:20:33 controller.buffers DEBUG: now the list contains 100 items
01/01/2020 21:20:33 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for blocked buffer, SteveMatzura account
01/01/2020 21:20:33 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {}
01/01/2020 21:20:34 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/blocks/list.json?count=100 HTTP/1.1" 200 5194
01/01/2020 21:20:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: The list contains 13 items
01/01/2020 21:20:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: now the list contains 13 items
01/01/2020 21:20:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for muted buffer, SteveMatzura account
01/01/2020 21:20:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {}
01/01/2020 21:20:34 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/mutes/users/list.json?count=100 HTTP/1.1" 200 97
01/01/2020 21:20:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: The list contains 0 items
01/01/2020 21:20:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: now the list contains 0 items
01/01/2020 21:21:32 sessions.twitterSession DEBUG: Executing check connection...
01/01/2020 21:21:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for buffer home_timeline, account SteveMatzura and type baseBuffer
01/01/2020 21:21:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {'tweet_mode': 'extended'}
01/01/2020 21:21:34 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/statuses/home_timeline.json?count=100&tweet_mode=extended HTTP/1.1" 200 51469
01/01/2020 21:21:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: Number of items retrieved: 0
01/01/2020 21:21:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for buffer mentions, account SteveMatzura and type baseBuffer
01/01/2020 21:21:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {'tweet_mode': 'extended'}
01/01/2020 21:21:34 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/statuses/mentions_timeline.json?count=100&tweet_mode=extended HTTP/1.1" 200 24119
01/01/2020 21:21:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: Number of items retrieved: 0
01/01/2020 21:21:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for buffer direct_messages, account SteveMatzura and type dm
01/01/2020 21:21:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {'items': 'events', 'full_text': True}
01/01/2020 21:21:34 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/direct_messages/events/list.json?count=100&full_text=true HTTP/1.1" 200 4802
01/01/2020 21:21:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for buffer sent_tweets, account SteveMatzura and type baseBuffer
01/01/2020 21:21:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {'tweet_mode': 'extended', 'screen_name': u'SteveMatzura'}
01/01/2020 21:21:34 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/statuses/user_timeline.json?count=100&tweet_mode=extended&screen_name=SteveMatzura HTTP/1.1" 200 18823
01/01/2020 21:21:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: Number of items retrieved: 0
01/01/2020 21:21:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for buffer favourites, account SteveMatzura and type baseBuffer
01/01/2020 21:21:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {'tweet_mode': 'extended'}
01/01/2020 21:21:34 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/favorites/list.json?count=100&tweet_mode=extended HTTP/1.1" 200 1850
01/01/2020 21:21:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: Number of items retrieved: 0
01/01/2020 21:21:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for followers buffer, SteveMatzura account
01/01/2020 21:21:34 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {'screen_name': u'SteveMatzura'}
01/01/2020 21:21:35 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/followers/list.json?count=100&screen_name=SteveMatzura HTTP/1.1" 200 42900
01/01/2020 21:21:35 controller.buffers DEBUG: The list contains 100 items
01/01/2020 21:21:35 controller.buffers DEBUG: now the list contains 100 items
01/01/2020 21:21:35 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for friends buffer, SteveMatzura account
01/01/2020 21:21:35 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {'screen_name': u'SteveMatzura'}
01/01/2020 21:21:35 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/friends/list.json?count=100&screen_name=SteveMatzura HTTP/1.1" 200 42145
01/01/2020 21:21:35 controller.buffers DEBUG: The list contains 100 items
01/01/2020 21:21:35 controller.buffers DEBUG: now the list contains 100 items
01/01/2020 21:21:35 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for blocked buffer, SteveMatzura account
01/01/2020 21:21:35 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {}
01/01/2020 21:21:36 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/blocks/list.json?count=100 HTTP/1.1" 200 5194
01/01/2020 21:21:36 controller.buffers DEBUG: The list contains 13 items
01/01/2020 21:21:36 controller.buffers DEBUG: now the list contains 13 items
01/01/2020 21:21:36 controller.buffers DEBUG: Starting stream for muted buffer, SteveMatzura account
01/01/2020 21:21:36 controller.buffers DEBUG: args: (), kwargs: {}
01/01/2020 21:21:36 urllib3.connectionpool DEBUG: https://api.twitter.com:443 "GET /1.1/mutes/users/list.json?count=100 HTTP/1.1" 200 97
01/01/2020 21:21:36 controller.buffers DEBUG: The list contains 0 items
01/01/2020 21:21:36 controller.buffers DEBUG: now the list contains 0 items


2. Error.log:


01/01/2020 21:19:30 sound ERROR: Error in input or output devices, using defaults...


3. stderror.log: file is empty


4. stdout.log: file is empty


I've Googled and found nothing. Maybe someone more familiar with TW Blue internals might have the answer?


TIA


moderated Re: Silencing an alert in Thunderbird

Norma A. Boge
 

Hi Mario, good old F6 did the trick, thanks for the hint. Best, Norma

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 10:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Silencing an alert in Thunderbird

is the message pane enabled? if so, disable it. problem gone? it did the
trick for me.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Norma A. Boge [mailto:naboge@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, December 30, 2019, 9:44 PM
Subject: Silencing an alert in Thunderbird Hi group,

I'm using Jaws 2020 with Thunderbird 68. When I arrow through messages in my
Drafts folder, Jaws keeps saying "alert this is a draft message."
It repeats it so I can't read all of the line I'm on. Anyone know how I can
stop Jaws from reading this alert?

Thanks,

Norma


moderated Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Sorry that didn't help! Have you tried pressing Shift + Delete on the folder from within the deleted folder?

Russell

On Jan 1, 2020, at 7:10 AM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

Hi, yes, all folders have been emptied first. Thanks nevertheless...
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 9:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue
 
Have you tried first deleting the messages from these folders and then deleting the folders? Not sure if this will help, but worth a try.
 
Russell


On Jan 1, 2020, at 6:52 AM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:
 
Hi,
 
I truly doubt a config issue. I am set with Imap, not pop. I’ve tried doing this and even with Jaws closed and as I open Outlook again this morning, those 4 folders again in the trash folder. I am very lost to this for this does not happen on or with my laptop which is exact with all settings etc. as this desktop I’m presently at. One of those computer mysteries I must accept...
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 10:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue
 
I guess this may depend a lot on how your email account is configured, e.g. POP3, IMAP, Exchange.
I’d just call Microsoft Accessibility and ask them to take a look and see if they can figure out why this is happening.
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue
 
Yes, they continue to reappear in the Trash folder of which I continuously delete them. This has been happening for quite some time and every day, I delete these from the trash folder... How do I stop this?
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue
 
If you delete folders they go to Deleted items but you have to go into Deleted items, then press Control + Shift + Tab to go into your folder list, expand Deleted Items and when focused on one of the folders you deleted bring up the Context menu and select “Delete”, only then will they go away permanently.
 
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 4:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook 2019 delete issue
 
Hi all,
 
hoping everyone’s Christmas and Hanukkah went well and your upcoming New Year will be as wonderful.
 
I am using Outlook 2019 with Jaws 2019.1912.1 with Windows 10. Windows updates current.
 
When I shut down my pc and boot it up either later that day or the next, I open Outlook to check emails. In the trash folder is other folders that I continuously delete. They reappear the following day when I turn my computer on. They just do not delete permanently for some odd reason.
 
Any ideas what to do to stop this madness?
 
Also, I’m curious to see what everyone’s thoughts are for the new Jaws 2020. I’ve not installed it yet due to so many troubles I’ve read about when first released. Let me know your thoughts and thanks again to you all.
 
Rick
 
 



moderated Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue

Rick Mladek
 

Hi, yes, all folders have been emptied first. Thanks nevertheless...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 9:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue

 

Have you tried first deleting the messages from these folders and then deleting the folders? Not sure if this will help, but worth a try.

 

Russell



On Jan 1, 2020, at 6:52 AM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I truly doubt a config issue. I am set with Imap, not pop. I’ve tried doing this and even with Jaws closed and as I open Outlook again this morning, those 4 folders again in the trash folder. I am very lost to this for this does not happen on or with my laptop which is exact with all settings etc. as this desktop I’m presently at. One of those computer mysteries I must accept...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 10:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue

 

I guess this may depend a lot on how your email account is configured, e.g. POP3, IMAP, Exchange.

I’d just call Microsoft Accessibility and ask them to take a look and see if they can figure out why this is happening.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue

 

Yes, they continue to reappear in the Trash folder of which I continuously delete them. This has been happening for quite some time and every day, I delete these from the trash folder... How do I stop this?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue

 

If you delete folders they go to Deleted items but you have to go into Deleted items, then press Control + Shift + Tab to go into your folder list, expand Deleted Items and when focused on one of the folders you deleted bring up the Context menu and select “Delete”, only then will they go away permanently.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 4:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook 2019 delete issue

 

Hi all,

 

hoping everyone’s Christmas and Hanukkah went well and your upcoming New Year will be as wonderful.

 

I am using Outlook 2019 with Jaws 2019.1912.1 with Windows 10. Windows updates current.

 

When I shut down my pc and boot it up either later that day or the next, I open Outlook to check emails. In the trash folder is other folders that I continuously delete. They reappear the following day when I turn my computer on. They just do not delete permanently for some odd reason.

 

Any ideas what to do to stop this madness?

 

Also, I’m curious to see what everyone’s thoughts are for the new Jaws 2020. I’ve not installed it yet due to so many troubles I’ve read about when first released. Let me know your thoughts and thanks again to you all.

 

Rick

 

 


moderated Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Have you tried first deleting the messages from these folders and then deleting the folders? Not sure if this will help, but worth a try.

Russell

On Jan 1, 2020, at 6:52 AM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

Hi,
 
I truly doubt a config issue. I am set with Imap, not pop. I’ve tried doing this and even with Jaws closed and as I open Outlook again this morning, those 4 folders again in the trash folder. I am very lost to this for this does not happen on or with my laptop which is exact with all settings etc. as this desktop I’m presently at. One of those computer mysteries I must accept...
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 10:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue
 
I guess this may depend a lot on how your email account is configured, e.g. POP3, IMAP, Exchange.
I’d just call Microsoft Accessibility and ask them to take a look and see if they can figure out why this is happening.
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue
 
Yes, they continue to reappear in the Trash folder of which I continuously delete them. This has been happening for quite some time and every day, I delete these from the trash folder... How do I stop this?
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue
 
If you delete folders they go to Deleted items but you have to go into Deleted items, then press Control + Shift + Tab to go into your folder list, expand Deleted Items and when focused on one of the folders you deleted bring up the Context menu and select “Delete”, only then will they go away permanently.
 
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 4:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook 2019 delete issue
 
Hi all,
 
hoping everyone’s Christmas and Hanukkah went well and your upcoming New Year will be as wonderful.
 
I am using Outlook 2019 with Jaws 2019.1912.1 with Windows 10. Windows updates current.
 
When I shut down my pc and boot it up either later that day or the next, I open Outlook to check emails. In the trash folder is other folders that I continuously delete. They reappear the following day when I turn my computer on. They just do not delete permanently for some odd reason.
 
Any ideas what to do to stop this madness?
 
Also, I’m curious to see what everyone’s thoughts are for the new Jaws 2020. I’ve not installed it yet due to so many troubles I’ve read about when first released. Let me know your thoughts and thanks again to you all.
 
Rick
 



moderated Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue

Rick Mladek
 

Hi,

 

I truly doubt a config issue. I am set with Imap, not pop. I’ve tried doing this and even with Jaws closed and as I open Outlook again this morning, those 4 folders again in the trash folder. I am very lost to this for this does not happen on or with my laptop which is exact with all settings etc. as this desktop I’m presently at. One of those computer mysteries I must accept...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 10:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue

 

I guess this may depend a lot on how your email account is configured, e.g. POP3, IMAP, Exchange.

I’d just call Microsoft Accessibility and ask them to take a look and see if they can figure out why this is happening.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue

 

Yes, they continue to reappear in the Trash folder of which I continuously delete them. This has been happening for quite some time and every day, I delete these from the trash folder... How do I stop this?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue

 

If you delete folders they go to Deleted items but you have to go into Deleted items, then press Control + Shift + Tab to go into your folder list, expand Deleted Items and when focused on one of the folders you deleted bring up the Context menu and select “Delete”, only then will they go away permanently.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 4:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook 2019 delete issue

 

Hi all,

 

hoping everyone’s Christmas and Hanukkah went well and your upcoming New Year will be as wonderful.

 

I am using Outlook 2019 with Jaws 2019.1912.1 with Windows 10. Windows updates current.

 

When I shut down my pc and boot it up either later that day or the next, I open Outlook to check emails. In the trash folder is other folders that I continuously delete. They reappear the following day when I turn my computer on. They just do not delete permanently for some odd reason.

 

Any ideas what to do to stop this madness?

 

Also, I’m curious to see what everyone’s thoughts are for the new Jaws 2020. I’ve not installed it yet due to so many troubles I’ve read about when first released. Let me know your thoughts and thanks again to you all.

 

Rick

 


moderated List Rules - Wed, 01/01/2020 #cal-notice

main@jfw.groups.io Calendar <noreply@...>
 

List Rules

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moderated Re: Silencing an alert in Thunderbird

Mario
 

is the message pane enabled? if so, disable it. problem gone? it did the
trick for me.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Norma A. Boge [mailto:naboge@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, December 30, 2019, 9:44 PM
Subject: Silencing an alert in Thunderbird
Hi group,

I’m using Jaws 2020 with Thunderbird 68. When I arrow through messages
in my Drafts folder, Jaws keeps saying “alert this is a draft message.”
It repeats it so I can’t read all of the line I’m on. Anyone know how I
can stop Jaws from reading this alert?

Thanks,

Norma


moderated seeking web experiences

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

As I prepare my next book, to be titled something like the Complete guide to Browsing the Web with JAWS, I continue looking for resources to enrich the book. this means learning of sites which are problematic for any reason, and sites where users have found different quick keys to be beneficial. It's hard for one person to find all these! In this regard, I have questions in case anybody would like to contribute experience:

1. Looking for sites where you have found the use of navigation by region to be useful, perhaps more effective than navigation by heading.

2. Sites where you have found the use of any of these quick keys to be useful: O, W, Y, z, dash or equal sign.

3. Sites where using S or D for same or different elements gets you where you need to go efficiently.

4. Sites with forms that you couldn't complete, or only completed with great difficulty.

5.  Sites where you could not read necessary tables.

 

Please write off-list to topdot@...

if you have thoughts or contributions.

 

Thanks for considering.

 

Dean


moderated Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue

 

I guess this may depend a lot on how your email account is configured, e.g. POP3, IMAP, Exchange.

I’d just call Microsoft Accessibility and ask them to take a look and see if they can figure out why this is happening.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue

 

Yes, they continue to reappear in the Trash folder of which I continuously delete them. This has been happening for quite some time and every day, I delete these from the trash folder... How do I stop this?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue

 

If you delete folders they go to Deleted items but you have to go into Deleted items, then press Control + Shift + Tab to go into your folder list, expand Deleted Items and when focused on one of the folders you deleted bring up the Context menu and select “Delete”, only then will they go away permanently.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 4:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook 2019 delete issue

 

Hi all,

 

hoping everyone’s Christmas and Hanukkah went well and your upcoming New Year will be as wonderful.

 

I am using Outlook 2019 with Jaws 2019.1912.1 with Windows 10. Windows updates current.

 

When I shut down my pc and boot it up either later that day or the next, I open Outlook to check emails. In the trash folder is other folders that I continuously delete. They reappear the following day when I turn my computer on. They just do not delete permanently for some odd reason.

 

Any ideas what to do to stop this madness?

 

Also, I’m curious to see what everyone’s thoughts are for the new Jaws 2020. I’ve not installed it yet due to so many troubles I’ve read about when first released. Let me know your thoughts and thanks again to you all.

 

Rick

 


moderated Re: keyboard shortcut to announce input keyboard indicator?

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Hi Maria/all,

Provided you have installed several keyboards, pressing alt and shift together cycles among them. I have six languages installed, so I use it all the time.

                                                            With warmest greetings for the new year,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: keyboard shortcut to announce input keyboard indicator?

 

I don't find that when I press insert f11.  Perhaps because I use only English?

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
 

On 12/28/2019 5:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Or you can check in your system tray, for me it says:

 

Tray Input Indicator - English (United States)

Or, if I switch to my German keyboard layout:

Tray Input Indicator - German (Germany)

 

I can press Jaws Key + F11 to bring up the system tray and press “T” to jump to that item and hear it read.

Of course I don’t usually do this because if I switch to German Eloquence speaks the letters I type in German.

 


moderated Silencing an alert in Thunderbird

Norma A. Boge
 

Hi group,

 

I’m using Jaws 2020 with Thunderbird 68. When I arrow through messages in my Drafts folder, Jaws keeps saying “alert this is a draft message.” It repeats it so I can’t read all of the line I’m on. Anyone know how I can stop Jaws from reading this alert?

 

Thanks,

Norma

 


moderated Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: jaws and band ina box help

Mario
 

well, pressing insert+h will display the commands for the program but
pressing insert+q is usually used to confirm if the default scripts are
being loaded instead of the scripts ment for the program.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, December 30, 2019, 4:21 PM
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: jaws and band ina box help
I don't know anything about this program, but if the Jaws scripts are
loaded and are well done, isn't insert+h the command to bring up the
jaws keystrokes for the app you are in?
Or insert+w?

This is a wild guess.


Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kramlinger,
Keith G., M.D. via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 1:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: jaws and band ina box help

where do you get scrips for this?
Thanks, Keith

On Dec 30, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Vaughn Brown <jazzdressage@...> wrote:

Excellent questions. And I do not have the answers to them all.

Did you put the files for the accessible scheme in the scheme folder of
BIAB?
Vaughn

On 12/29/19, Michelle's Home Emails <m1stevens@...> wrote:
hi thank you for letting me know nothing came out in my email.

I have just purchased band in a box 2020 running with windows 10 64
bit and jaws 20190928 I have installed the scripts in jaws enu that I
unzipped and placed the bbw.accessscheme in band in a box data
folder.

I have set Biab as discribed in the scripts html notes.

having problems saving the scheme it keeps going back to defalt scheme.

where can I get podcasts from a blind person's point of view? which
can I get jaws hotkeys relating to the program?

Many thanks.
Michelle Stevens
On 30 Dec 2019, at 7:26 am, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:

There is nothing in your email.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Michelle's Home Emails
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2019 4:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws and band ina box help















--
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aughnbrown.net&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C418f67615ba34db16aea08d78d6c61b2%
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moderated Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: jaws and band ina box help

Richard Turner
 

I don't know anything about this program, but if the Jaws scripts are loaded and are well done, isn't insert+h the command to bring up the jaws keystrokes for the app you are in?
Or insert+w?

This is a wild guess.


Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 1:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: jaws and band ina box help

where do you get scrips for this?
Thanks, Keith

On Dec 30, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Vaughn Brown <jazzdressage@...> wrote:

Excellent questions. And I do not have the answers to them all.

Did you put the files for the accessible scheme in the scheme folder of BIAB?
Vaughn

On 12/29/19, Michelle's Home Emails <m1stevens@...> wrote:
hi thank you for letting me know nothing came out in my email.

I have just purchased band in a box 2020 running with windows 10 64
bit and jaws 20190928 I have installed the scripts in jaws enu that I
unzipped and placed the bbw.accessscheme in band in a box data
folder.

I have set Biab as discribed in the scripts html notes.

having problems saving the scheme it keeps going back to defalt scheme.

where can I get podcasts from a blind person's point of view? which
can I get jaws hotkeys relating to the program?

Many thanks.
Michelle Stevens
On 30 Dec 2019, at 7:26 am, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:
There is nothing in your email.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Michelle's Home Emails
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2019 4:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws and band ina box help











--
Kindly,
Vaughn Brown
Vaughn's Percussionship
Heal through Feel Equine Massage
360-904-8432
https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.v
aughnbrown.net&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C418f67615ba34db16aea08d78d6c61b2%
7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637133368939846929&amp;sd
ata=tkgxgFwi4bQoaelm6t5osH5g1Udf%2BSG2bnsRQA6Ixi0%3D&amp;reserved=0
Serving Clark County



moderated Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: jaws and band ina box help

Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 

where do you get scrips for this?
Thanks, Keith

On Dec 30, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Vaughn Brown <jazzdressage@...> wrote:

Excellent questions. And I do not have the answers to them all.

Did you put the files for the accessible scheme in the scheme folder of BIAB?
Vaughn

On 12/29/19, Michelle's Home Emails <m1stevens@...> wrote:
hi thank you for letting me know nothing came out in my email.

I have just purchased band in a box 2020 running with windows 10 64 bit and
jaws 20190928
I have installed the scripts in jaws enu that I unzipped and placed the
bbw.accessscheme in band in a box data folder.

I have set Biab as discribed in the scripts html notes.

having problems saving the scheme it keeps going back to defalt scheme.

where can I get podcasts from a blind person's point of view? which can I
get jaws hotkeys relating to the program?

Many thanks.
Michelle Stevens
On 30 Dec 2019, at 7:26 am, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:
There is nothing in your email.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michelle's Home
Emails
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2019 4:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws and band ina box help











--
Kindly,
Vaughn Brown
Vaughn's Percussionship
Heal through Feel Equine Massage
360-904-8432
http://www.vaughnbrown.net
Serving Clark County



moderated Re: jaws and band ina box help

Vaughn Brown
 

Excellent questions. And I do not have the answers to them all.

Did you put the files for the accessible scheme in the scheme folder of BIAB?
Vaughn

On 12/29/19, Michelle's Home Emails <m1stevens@...> wrote:
hi thank you for letting me know nothing came out in my email.

I have just purchased band in a box 2020 running with windows 10 64 bit and
jaws 20190928
I have installed the scripts in jaws enu that I unzipped and placed the
bbw.accessscheme in band in a box data folder.

I have set Biab as discribed in the scripts html notes.

having problems saving the scheme it keeps going back to defalt scheme.

where can I get podcasts from a blind person's point of view? which can I
get jaws hotkeys relating to the program?

Many thanks.
Michelle Stevens
On 30 Dec 2019, at 7:26 am, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:

There is nothing in your email.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michelle's Home
Emails
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2019 4:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws and band ina box help










--
Kindly,
Vaughn Brown
Vaughn's Percussionship
Heal through Feel Equine Massage
360-904-8432
http://www.vaughnbrown.net
Serving Clark County


moderated Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue

Rick Mladek
 

Yes, they continue to reappear in the Trash folder of which I continuously delete them. This has been happening for quite some time and every day, I delete these from the trash folder... How do I stop this?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue

 

If you delete folders they go to Deleted items but you have to go into Deleted items, then press Control + Shift + Tab to go into your folder list, expand Deleted Items and when focused on one of the folders you deleted bring up the Context menu and select “Delete”, only then will they go away permanently.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 4:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook 2019 delete issue

 

Hi all,

 

hoping everyone’s Christmas and Hanukkah went well and your upcoming New Year will be as wonderful.

 

I am using Outlook 2019 with Jaws 2019.1912.1 with Windows 10. Windows updates current.

 

When I shut down my pc and boot it up either later that day or the next, I open Outlook to check emails. In the trash folder is other folders that I continuously delete. They reappear the following day when I turn my computer on. They just do not delete permanently for some odd reason.

 

Any ideas what to do to stop this madness?

 

Also, I’m curious to see what everyone’s thoughts are for the new Jaws 2020. I’ve not installed it yet due to so many troubles I’ve read about when first released. Let me know your thoughts and thanks again to you all.

 

Rick

 


moderated Re: Outlook 2019 delete issue

 

If you delete folders they go to Deleted items but you have to go into Deleted items, then press Control + Shift + Tab to go into your folder list, expand Deleted Items and when focused on one of the folders you deleted bring up the Context menu and select “Delete”, only then will they go away permanently.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 4:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook 2019 delete issue

 

Hi all,

 

hoping everyone’s Christmas and Hanukkah went well and your upcoming New Year will be as wonderful.

 

I am using Outlook 2019 with Jaws 2019.1912.1 with Windows 10. Windows updates current.

 

When I shut down my pc and boot it up either later that day or the next, I open Outlook to check emails. In the trash folder is other folders that I continuously delete. They reappear the following day when I turn my computer on. They just do not delete permanently for some odd reason.

 

Any ideas what to do to stop this madness?

 

Also, I’m curious to see what everyone’s thoughts are for the new Jaws 2020. I’ve not installed it yet due to so many troubles I’ve read about when first released. Let me know your thoughts and thanks again to you all.

 

Rick