Oh, forgot to mention I always use Adobe reader DC for pdf forms.

How are people filling out pdf files these days my computer tries to load edge that a disaster. Then I open the file with chrome and well no It won’t let me fill in the file that way either. Any ideas?

 

Jennifer Kent

iMessage: lightsrage@...

Skype: lightsrage

Whatsapp: Ask.

Telegram: ask

Twitter: lights_rage

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There are blind people on these list that I trust.  Some use Image for Windows backup software which isn’t free but it will let you create a restore/recovery  disk that has the screen reader Narrator that you can use to recover your PC if Windows isn’t working at all.

Some use Macrium Reflect which is free.  But it does require eye sight to recover  your PC if Windows isn’t working.  Maybe it is possible to use a talking Windows PE with Macrium Reflect to recover without vision.  I’m just not sure.  But, If you have access to eye sight, recovery isn’t suppose to be very difficult.

Wow, interesting that I have never heard of this software. One never stops learning.

I think it is what ever you get accustomed to using.  Image for Windows did cost me around $40, but it has always worked to restore my hard drives.

You can use IFW to create a recovery disk that includes Narrator so you have a screen reader to use to restore your PC.  That is an absolute necessity if Windows is so messed up that your PC won’t boot up in to Windows.

Since this recovery disk has to be bootable for disaster recovery, you would need to change your PC’s boot sequence in the BIOS.  That requires eye sight but it is a one time change.

In my case, instead of getting someone to change my boot sequence in the BIOS, I use F11 and some additional key strokes to force Windows to boot up from the boot media which can be either a DVD or a thumb drive again, created with the IFW software.

Its been so long since I created the boot media that I do not have clear recollection as to how it was accomplished.  The directions are in the IFW manual.  I suspect that there are several members on these list who can provide you with the directions to create the boot media and provide directions on how to get a crippled PC to boot from the media if you do not want to get someone to change your boot sequence in your PC’s BIOS.

The best of luck,

James B 

Is that image for Windows a good solution? I am also searching for a good backup software.

Greetings,

I’m guessing that there is a typo in your response.

What do I need to run to tell when check boxes are checked?

And, in my Version of Image for Windows, something like V3... there is a check box in settings that is called accessible check boxes.  You can check this to cause Jaws to see the state of the check boxes.

But, You will still have to use the Jaws/or equivalent cursor to tell that they are checked in some places in the menus.  Also, in some places in the menus, you will see a PLUS SIGN instead of a checkbox for example, to indicate that a drive has been selected to be added to the back up process.

In my particular case, on all 3 of my laptops, I just hit the space bar to put a PLUS SIGN in front of my primary drive/C drive to do a full back up.  IFW has never let me down with Windows 7 or Windows 10 and I have done recoveries on all 3.

Regards,

James B

Runjcortona Microsoft speech and they will read

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

Best regards René H. Nielsen

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

How are people filling out pdf files these days my computer tries to load edge that a disaster. Then I open the file with chrome and well no It won’t let me fill in the file that way either. Any ideas?

 

Jennifer Kent

iMessage: lightsrage@...

Skype: lightsrage

Whatsapp: Ask.

Telegram: ask

Twitter: lights_rage

Facebook: http://facebook.com/lights_rage

 

How are people filling out pdf files these days my computer tries to load edge that a disaster. Then I open the file with chrome and well no It won’t let me fill in the file that way either. Any ideas?

 

Jennifer Kent

iMessage: lightsrage@...

Skype: lightsrage

Whatsapp: Ask.

Telegram: ask

Twitter: lights_rage

Facebook: http://facebook.com/lights_rage

 

Greetings all okay I have noticed when using the newest Microsoft edge with jaws if you type something you can’t read character by character and if you backspace it doesn’t read by character any suggestions.,

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Wow, interesting that I have never heard of this software. One never stops learning.

I think it is what ever you get accustomed to using.  Image for Windows did cost me around $40, but it has always worked to restore my hard drives.

You can use IFW to create a recovery disk that includes Narrator so you have a screen reader to use to restore your PC.  That is an absolute necessity if Windows is so messed up that your PC won’t boot up in to Windows.

Since this recovery disk has to be bootable for disaster recovery, you would need to change your PC’s boot sequence in the BIOS.  That requires eye sight but it is a one time change.

In my case, instead of getting someone to change my boot sequence in the BIOS, I use F11 and some additional key strokes to force Windows to boot up from the boot media which can be either a DVD or a thumb drive again, created with the IFW software.

Its been so long since I created the boot media that I do not have clear recollection as to how it was accomplished.  The directions are in the IFW manual.  I suspect that there are several members on these list who can provide you with the directions to create the boot media and provide directions on how to get a crippled PC to boot from the media if you do not want to get someone to change your boot sequence in your PC’s BIOS.

The best of luck,

James B 

Is that image for Windows a good solution? I am also searching for a good backup software.

Greetings,

I’m guessing that there is a typo in your response.

What do I need to run to tell when check boxes are checked?

And, in my Version of Image for Windows, something like V3... there is a check box in settings that is called accessible check boxes.  You can check this to cause Jaws to see the state of the check boxes.

But, You will still have to use the Jaws/or equivalent cursor to tell that they are checked in some places in the menus.  Also, in some places in the menus, you will see a PLUS SIGN instead of a checkbox for example, to indicate that a drive has been selected to be added to the back up process.

In my particular case, on all 3 of my laptops, I just hit the space bar to put a PLUS SIGN in front of my primary drive/C drive to do a full back up.  IFW has never let me down with Windows 7 or Windows 10 and I have done recoveries on all 3.

Regards,

James B

Runjcortona Microsoft speech and they will read

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

Best regards René H. Nielsen

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

I wonder if win PE would work to get the recovery going?

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hello.

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

Tom Behler

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

It would be interesting to know, in general, how many of us have actually used jaws 2020 without problems?
Pat



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday 3 May 2020 14:34
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Are you installing from the website, or first downloading the file and using the file to execute the installation? Installing from the file is safer.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 8:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

And so it goes with JFW... I finally took the leap of Faith and installed the latest update to Jaws 2020 yesterday afternoon. The install corrupted something and I have to uninstall all JFW components and reinstall all from scratch. This is the 2nd time in a year that a JFW install has done something as this. The last time, it corrupted my Operating System and the Entire Hard-Drive was toast and had to be wiped clean and all re-installed. Be sure to have a back-up of your hard-drive before you do any JFW installs... Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 5:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hello Pat:

You could probably make the change Ceigart mentioned, using the registry editor.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Murphy" <murphy.patrick42@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit


Hi,

the group policy editor is only available in windows 10 professional addition.
there is nothing like it in windows 10 home edition.
pat



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick
Mladek
Sent: Saturday 2 May 2020 18:58
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Sieghard,

Where do we find this setting?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Sieghard, could you tell us what the group policy item was, or point to the
post? I'm curious as to what it might have been.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday 2 May 2020 16:54
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hello Pat,

I don't wan to minimize the issues you had, but Jaws 2020 has been out for
over 6 months and while there will always be certain configurations and
systems with various issues, these may not always be 100% the fault of Jaws.
I, for example, had one computer where for over a year I could not use any
of the Windows apps like Calculator and in addition to that Jaws would read
absolutely nothing in the start menu or the Settings app. I could open
Settings and when somebody checked I was told visually everything was fine,
I could right arrow and down arrow and focus would move, I could press enter
and whatever category I was on opened up and so on, but Jaws was absolutely
silent. This was even before Jaws 2020 came out and it was like this with
Jaws 2018 and Jaws 2019 and nothing I did including completely uninstalling
both versions, deleting all Jaws folders and reinstalling would fix it. At
the same time I had another almost identical computer at my business with
very similar hardware and all worked fine. Finally I read a post somewhere
where another user had the same problem and somehow they either found out or
were told to check if a particular item in the group policy editor in
Windows 10 Pro was enabled. I checked the same setting and it was disabled
on this particular computer, I have no idea why or how, but it was and as
soon as I enabled it all worked perfectly. Narrator, by the way, worked just
fine in the Settings app, start menu and calculator, it was just Jaws which
had the problem and the problem which fixed the issue had nothing to do with
Jaws, but was simply a Windows setting.
I mentioned this because it shows how sometimes a problem with Jaws can be
extremely specific to one system and be caused by something which is
directly not even related to Jaws. I am convinced that if I had wiped the
system and reinstalled Windows this would have also fixed the problem, but
this happened to be on the PC we use as the main register at my retail store
and there is other software on this system which is not quite so easy to
reinstall so for the longest time I just put up with it and used Narrator if
I wanted to do something in the Settings, I hardly ever use the start menu
anyways and when I needed to calculate something I'd just open up Excel
instead of using the Calculator. This way I could work around the problem,
but it was sure nice when it turned out to be such a simple fix which took
me all of 30 seconds to make.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 7:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hi,

Not surprised you are having trouble. I myself, only recently, had trouble
with installing jaws 2020. I had an authorization problem with windows 10.
Like you, i had to uninstall everything and reinstall everything.
Perhaps freedom scientific should look at this version of jaws again, and
take the bugs out of it.
God knows what else is wrong that hasn't been discovered yet.
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: Friday 1 May 2020 16:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

I have tried to update to the latest jaws 2020 on a windows 7 32bit system
and when I do my system starts rebooting over and over. I get the error that
the gdihooks.dll is missing from my computer and to reinstall the software.
I finally got it to work removing all the jaws installations and only
installing a 2003 build of 2020. Now, on my laptop running windows 10 had no
problems with the 2004.66 update of jaws 2020. go figure!


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.

Hi all,
Regarding the latest update to JAWS2020, I found out there is an extra tasks called RemoteSupportUI running on task manager.
There is no option to set it to not run, and running extra tasks like that for someone who does not, and will not use remote support on a JAWS Home licence is a waste of resources, not to mention that JAWS has already have so many tasks needed to run.

I am still hopeful that one day there will be a way to trim the features of JAWS during installationand remove those extras that not everyone need.

As I said, Brian, if I try to perform any keystroke after getting one of these messages, JAWS stops running, and I must perform an ALT plus CONTROL plus J command to restart JAWS. This usually happens with Outlook 2010, when trying to move messages between folders. I have tried both a JAWS repair and a JAWS reinstall, and neither solved the problem.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 9:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 12:09 PM, Bill White wrote:

If I get one of those messages from Windows 10 saying that a program is not responding

Have you tried ALT+Tabbing to something else and waiting it out?  I get the occasional "Not Responding" message, too, but it almost always resolves itself given sufficient time (which can be a few seconds to a few minutes).  Everything else keeps working.

Now, if it's JAWS itself that goes into "Not responding" mode, you're really kinda stuck.  I've actually never had a screen reader go into that state, but I can't see any reason why they'd be immune to it and I imagine some have landed in this quandary.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

And so it goes with JFW... I finally took the leap of Faith and installed the latest update to Jaws 2020 yesterday afternoon. The install corrupted something and I have to uninstall all JFW components and reinstall all from scratch. This is the 2nd time in a year that a JFW install has done something as this. The last time, it corrupted my Operating System and the Entire Hard-Drive was toast and had to be wiped clean and all re-installed. Be sure to have a back-up of your hard-drive before you do any JFW installs... Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 5:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hello Pat:

You could probably make the change Ceigart mentioned, using the registry editor.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Murphy" <murphy.patrick42@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit


Hi,

the group policy editor is only available in windows 10 professional
addition.
there is nothing like it in windows 10 home edition.
pat



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick
Mladek
Sent: Saturday 2 May 2020 18:58
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Sieghard,

Where do we find this setting?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Sieghard, could you tell us what the group policy item was, or point to the
post? I'm curious as to what it might have been.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday 2 May 2020 16:54
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hello Pat,

I don't wan to minimize the issues you had, but Jaws 2020 has been out for
over 6 months and while there will always be certain configurations and
systems with various issues, these may not always be 100% the fault of Jaws.
I, for example, had one computer where for over a year I could not use any
of the Windows apps like Calculator and in addition to that Jaws would read
absolutely nothing in the start menu or the Settings app. I could open
Settings and when somebody checked I was told visually everything was fine,
I could right arrow and down arrow and focus would move, I could press enter
and whatever category I was on opened up and so on, but Jaws was absolutely
silent. This was even before Jaws 2020 came out and it was like this with
Jaws 2018 and Jaws 2019 and nothing I did including completely uninstalling
both versions, deleting all Jaws folders and reinstalling would fix it. At
the same time I had another almost identical computer at my business with
very similar hardware and all worked fine. Finally I read a post somewhere
where another user had the same problem and somehow they either found out or
were told to check if a particular item in the group policy editor in
Windows 10 Pro was enabled. I checked the same setting and it was disabled
on this particular computer, I have no idea why or how, but it was and as
soon as I enabled it all worked perfectly. Narrator, by the way, worked just
fine in the Settings app, start menu and calculator, it was just Jaws which
had the problem and the problem which fixed the issue had nothing to do with
Jaws, but was simply a Windows setting.
I mentioned this because it shows how sometimes a problem with Jaws can be
extremely specific to one system and be caused by something which is
directly not even related to Jaws. I am convinced that if I had wiped the
system and reinstalled Windows this would have also fixed the problem, but
this happened to be on the PC we use as the main register at my retail store
and there is other software on this system which is not quite so easy to
reinstall so for the longest time I just put up with it and used Narrator if
I wanted to do something in the Settings, I hardly ever use the start menu
anyways and when I needed to calculate something I'd just open up Excel
instead of using the Calculator. This way I could work around the problem,
but it was sure nice when it turned out to be such a simple fix which took
me all of 30 seconds to make.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 7:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hi,

Not surprised you are having trouble. I myself, only recently, had trouble
with installing jaws 2020. I had an authorization problem with windows 10.
Like you, i had to uninstall everything and reinstall everything.
Perhaps freedom scientific should look at this version of jaws again, and
take the bugs out of it.
God knows what else is wrong that hasn't been discovered yet.
Pat
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: Friday 1 May 2020 16:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

I have tried to update to the latest jaws 2020 on a windows 7 32bit system
and when I do my system starts rebooting over and over. I get the error that
the gdihooks.dll is missing from my computer and to reinstall the software.
I finally got it to work removing all the jaws installations and only
installing a 2003 build of 2020. Now, on my laptop running windows 10 had no
problems with the 2004.66 update of jaws 2020. go figure!


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If audio is muted, pressing alt+a and holding spacebar will temporarily
unmute the audio. Hold spacebar down while you talk, then release it to be
muted again.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: mute in zoom



Thanks, guys. A big help.



Stan





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groupsio
<mailto:main@jfw.groupsio> > On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: mute in zoom



It's a Zoom Application keystroke, and will work, even if JAWS is not
running. You might want to try it with Narrator.



Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com <mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:32 AM
To: jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: mute in zoom



Listers: Please remind me of the mute keystroke in Zoom. Is this a jaws
keystroke or does it work even if jaws is not running?



Stan

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

An alternative is to copy the address to Notepad, where right and left arrows will read by letter, and on confirming it’s correct, copy and paste back into the message’s “to” field. Of course, empty the “To” field before pasting.

Hi, Arkadiusz. To do this, either use the NumPad, and Press JAWS Key plus eight on the NumPad twice quickly to get it to spell the link character by character, or, if you have your JAWS set to Laptop layout, use CAPS LOCK+I twice quickly to get it to spell character by character.

Hello,

How to achieve the thing I need? Sometimes I want to check whether the spelling of the e-mail address I entered is correct, but when I press left/right arrows in the “to” field, JAWS reads the whole name.

I think it is what ever you get accustomed to using.  Image for Windows did cost me around $40, but it has always worked to restore my hard drives.

You can use IFW to create a recovery disk that includes Narrator so you have a screen reader to use to restore your PC.  That is an absolute necessity if Windows is so messed up that your PC won’t boot up in to Windows.

Since this recovery disk has to be bootable for disaster recovery, you would need to change your PC’s boot sequence in the BIOS.  That requires eye sight but it is a one time change.

In my case, instead of getting someone to change my boot sequence in the BIOS, I use F11 and some additional key strokes to force Windows to boot up from the boot media which can be either a DVD or a thumb drive again, created with the IFW software.

Its been so long since I created the boot media that I do not have clear recollection as to how it was accomplished.  The directions are in the IFW manual.  I suspect that there are several members on these list who can provide you with the directions to create the boot media and provide directions on how to get a crippled PC to boot from the media if you do not want to get someone to change your boot sequence in your PC’s BIOS.

The best of luck,

James B 

Is that image for Windows a good solution? I am also searching for a good backup software.

Greetings,

I’m guessing that there is a typo in your response.

What do I need to run to tell when check boxes are checked?

And, in my Version of Image for Windows, something like V3... there is a check box in settings that is called accessible check boxes.  You can check this to cause Jaws to see the state of the check boxes.

But, You will still have to use the Jaws/or equivalent cursor to tell that they are checked in some places in the menus.  Also, in some places in the menus, you will see a PLUS SIGN instead of a checkbox for example, to indicate that a drive has been selected to be added to the back up process.

In my particular case, on all 3 of my laptops, I just hit the space bar to put a PLUS SIGN in front of my primary drive/C drive to do a full back up.  IFW has never let me down with Windows 7 or Windows 10 and I have done recoveries on all 3.

Regards,

James B

Runjcortona Microsoft speech and they will read

Hi!

I use Image for Windows, but do you know how to make the checkboxes accessible? It is something in an ini-file.

Best regards René H. Nielsen

Terabyte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite is 100% accessible beginning to end, including the recovery disk. There's an option to set in an INI file when building the recovery disk that will automatically start Narrator when said disk is booted. Works a treat, as they say. Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com

I use a solution which is I suppose is 3/4 accessible. Snapshot will allow a fully accessible disc image backup. Provided you can get into Windows at all the restore of the image is also a fully accessible. You simply select the image you want to restore to and Snapshot will simply restart your computer and about 20 minutes later you will hear your screen reader announce your Windows login for the restored image. I have done this several times with success without sighted help. Where it falls down is if your system is in such a state it cannot boot into Windows. The developers provide an ISO file to create a bootable CD drive but of course there is no speech here on that disc. They did tell me what I needed to type once the CD loaded to restore windows but in practice in these situations I have always resorted to sighted help and a fresh windows install.

David Griffith

 

 

On 3 May 2020, at 17:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Tom,

If you boot to Win PE, you can use 7Zip to zip up your HD and unzip it if you need to at a later time.

Also, when you do this, you can delete two system files that are temp files, and will save you the amount of twice your RAM.

So if you have 4GB of RAM, you can save 8GB by deleting pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys before zipping up your HD, and windows will recreate those two files on boot-up.

They are just temp files Windows uses as virtual memory.

 

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:31 AM

Subject: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hello.

 

I know this has been addressed before, but could someone suggest an accessible system backup image program that is easy to use independently, and that works well with Jaws?

 

I routinely back up all my files, but would like to be able to back up my complete hard drive if possible.

 

Until now, I’ve always understood that these backup image programs have accessibility issues at certain points, but perhaps I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 08:26 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...

If you have had this occur, twice, you should be looking at something being wrong with your hardware.

Application software has never, in my decades of experience, corrupted any OS (and I don't count viruses or malware as "application software.")

You are, however, giving people very good advice with regard to having a backup protocol and taking full system image backups on a routine cycle.  The number of things that have the potential to cause a system to crash are numerous, and generally related to people screwing around with the OS itself in ways they shouldn't or drive failure.  Having a backup saves you untold time and grief.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss