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Re: JAWS losing focus?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Try one of the after-market uninstall programs like Revo Uninstall, an app mentioned by several of us on this list. I somehow picked up a Google bar (sounds like something with chocolate and nuts, doesn't it?), and that program nixed it.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Abby Vincent
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:25 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS losing focus?

Is the address/search tar baby part of IE or Google? I have the same
problem of getting stuck. I did manage to remove it, but when I went to the
IE page again, it came back up. The JAWS cursor and ctrl-f6 methods do
work, but I'd really like to get rid of it completely. As far as I know, it
does nothing that can't be done in a less annoying way.
Abby

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Yes, Happens to me a lot, even if the page is completely loaded. Alt+tab a
couple times, and even sometimes need to minimize IE and maximize again to
get it focused.

And I always have to press Ctrl+F6 to get out of the upper
address/favorites/search section. Very easy to get stuck in that tar-baby of
IE.

And yes, it's frustrating. In some particularly severe cases I even need to
use my JAWS cursor to find some text on the web page and press left click to
"wake up" the page into focus.

JAWS 13 and 14 both do this.

Using IE8. Windows 7.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Karoline Bourdeau" <karoline.bourdeau@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 15:20
Subject: JAWS losing focus?




I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the web,
JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to where I was.


Anyone else?

Thanks.

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Re: protected attachments in Outlook 2010

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

You're warm, in that his files are protected, but just about everything management sends is protected. I only have the problem with stuff sent by our assistant director.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 7:52 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: protected attachments in Outlook 2010

Probably the reason you have to JAWS cursor for that attachment is that it's 'protected'. To unprotect it press alt-f, then i, then e. To unprotect all attachments press alt-f, then t to get into options, and uncheck the protection stuff. Working from bad memory with no coffee. if you don't see the protection tab, go to 'trust center' and look for it there.

good luck!
At 06:44 AM 11/30/2012, you wrote:
First thing I tried, Dave. As I recall, a sighted colleague told me
how it worked. The up and over technique works on everyone here at
the office, save for one guy. When he sends me a spreadsheet, I
literally have to feel around with the JAWS cursor, but I always find
it. Creating a labeled graphic also helped with his files.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:46 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Ted,

Have you tried the Apps key on the message list? I don't have 2010 so
can't test it myself.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 13:36
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Outlook 2010 is its own animal. You have to open the message, tab up,
and scroll over. Even that doesn't work on all messages, forcing you
to scroll around with the JAWS cursor, but up and over will work most of the time.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:20 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Dave:
Looking forward to your report.
I agree that using the App key on the message list is a much better way
to get to attachments in Outlook 2003.
I'm told, however, that it is no longer possible to use this function
in Outlook 2007 or 2010?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Adrian,

Yes, I recall that with my copy of Outlook 2007 it also requires that I
right click (or Apps key) and select open to open attachments. I think
this has been in place since JAWS 12, but not certain at this point.
However you can also open the attachments from the message list:

Highlight the message with the attachment.
Right click or Apps key.
"H" for attachment.
Press enter on the desired attachment from the context menu.

I find this a lot faster than opening the message first, when I don't
need to see the message body text for context.

I will be reporting in another couple weeks on an ongoing experiment
I'm running with JAWS, Windows 7 and Office 2007. Very interesting
things happening -- or perhaps not happening any more.

Stay tuned.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:23
Subject: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Hi. A friend whose law firm still uses Outlook 2003 installed JAWS 14
the other day and found that she could no longer open email attachments
as easily as she had done before. Instead of just pressing enter to
open one, she now has to right-click, then go to open and then press
enter. Only two more steps, yes, but a nuisance when it's a task we
perform dozens of times every day.

However, here's the reason I'm posting this message. She contacted FS
Tech Support and was told that JAWS 14 does not support Outlook 2003.

If anyone has a different experience, I'd be curious. Otherwise, this
is an FYI to any listers who, like me, still live in the pre-ribbon era.

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Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Nothing, that still works; has the same effect as a shift-tab. Thanks.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

What happened to JAWS key+A?
Works on XP, W7, Office 2003, 2007.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Ted:
In Outlook 2003, you used to be able to press control + Shift + O, which
would convert the message to plain text. That would move the attachments
into a kind of attachments area to which you could tab, arrow through the
selections, and press ENTER on the attachment you wanted to open.
Has that been destroyed in Outlook 2010 too?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Outlook 2010 is its own animal. You have to open the message, tab up, and
scroll over. Even that doesn't work on all messages, forcing you to scroll
around with the JAWS cursor, but up and over will work most of the time.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:20 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Dave:
Looking forward to your report.
I agree that using the App key on the message list is a much better way to
get to attachments in Outlook 2003.
I'm told, however, that it is no longer possible to use this function in
Outlook 2007 or 2010?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Adrian,

Yes, I recall that with my copy of Outlook 2007 it also requires that I
right click (or Apps key) and select open to open attachments. I think this
has been in place since JAWS 12, but not certain at this point. However you
can also open the attachments from the message list:

Highlight the message with the attachment.
Right click or Apps key.
"H" for attachment.
Press enter on the desired attachment from the context menu.

I find this a lot faster than opening the message first, when I don't need
to see the message body text for context.

I will be reporting in another couple weeks on an ongoing experiment I'm
running with JAWS, Windows 7 and Office 2007. Very interesting things
happening -- or perhaps not happening any more.

Stay tuned.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:23
Subject: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Hi. A friend whose law firm still uses Outlook 2003 installed JAWS 14 the
other day and found that she could no longer open email attachments as
easily as she had done before. Instead of just pressing enter to open one,
she now has to right-click, then go to open and then press enter. Only two
more steps, yes, but a nuisance when it's a task we perform dozens of times
every day.

However, here's the reason I'm posting this message. She contacted FS Tech
Support and was told that JAWS 14 does not support Outlook 2003.

If anyone has a different experience, I'd be curious. Otherwise, this is an
FYI to any listers who, like me, still live in the pre-ribbon era.

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protected attachments in Outlook 2010

Ann Byrne
 

Probably the reason you have to JAWS cursor for that attachment is that it's 'protected'. To unprotect it press alt-f, then i, then e. To unprotect all attachments press alt-f, then t to get into options, and uncheck the protection stuff. Working from bad memory with no coffee. if you don't see the protection tab, go to 'trust center' and look for it there.

good luck!

At 06:44 AM 11/30/2012, you wrote:
First thing I tried, Dave. As I recall, a sighted colleague told me how it worked. The up and over technique works on everyone here at the office, save for one guy. When he sends me a spreadsheet, I literally have to feel around with the JAWS cursor, but I always find it. Creating a labeled graphic also helped with his files.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:46 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Ted,

Have you tried the Apps key on the message list? I don't have 2010 so can't test it myself.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 13:36
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Outlook 2010 is its own animal. You have to open the message, tab up, and
scroll over. Even that doesn't work on all messages, forcing you to scroll
around with the JAWS cursor, but up and over will work most of the time.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:20 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Dave:
Looking forward to your report.
I agree that using the App key on the message list is a much better way to
get to attachments in Outlook 2003.
I'm told, however, that it is no longer possible to use this function in
Outlook 2007 or 2010?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Adrian,

Yes, I recall that with my copy of Outlook 2007 it also requires that I
right click (or Apps key) and select open to open attachments. I think this
has been in place since JAWS 12, but not certain at this point. However you
can also open the attachments from the message list:

Highlight the message with the attachment.
Right click or Apps key.
"H" for attachment.
Press enter on the desired attachment from the context menu.

I find this a lot faster than opening the message first, when I don't need
to see the message body text for context.

I will be reporting in another couple weeks on an ongoing experiment I'm
running with JAWS, Windows 7 and Office 2007. Very interesting things
happening -- or perhaps not happening any more.

Stay tuned.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:23
Subject: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Hi. A friend whose law firm still uses Outlook 2003 installed JAWS 14 the
other day and found that she could no longer open email attachments as
easily as she had done before. Instead of just pressing enter to open one,
she now has to right-click, then go to open and then press enter. Only two
more steps, yes, but a nuisance when it's a task we perform dozens of times
every day.

However, here's the reason I'm posting this message. She contacted FS Tech
Support and was told that JAWS 14 does not support Outlook 2003.

If anyone has a different experience, I'd be curious. Otherwise, this is an
FYI to any listers who, like me, still live in the pre-ribbon era.

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Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Actually, the technique you describe is pretty much what happens in 2010 anyway, without the key combination. Shift-tabbing once will land you in such a box. The first thing you'll see is messages. Attachments appear as you scroll to the right. This is the technique I described as up and over. Of course, shift-tabbing again lands you on the subject line.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 5:26 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

OK.
I'm obviously confused.
In Outlook 2003, if, while in a message, I press control + shift + O, the message is converted to plain text, and the embedded messages are moved up to the attachment box. Then, one can press shift + tab to land on the attachments. From there, one can open the message attachments. That, I think, is what Ann is describing.
I thought Ted was saying one can no longer do that in Outlook 2010. Actually, I'm due to get Outlook 2010 this weekend. So, I'll try all the keystrokes suggested here and then report.
Speculation is fun, but actually testing in the actual program tends to produce more reliable results. <SMILE> I thought it was in one of the Hadley seminars that I heard Dave's method of pressing the App key in the message list no longer produces an applications menu with attachments displayed. Perhaps that referred to 2010 only and not to 2007 and 2010.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

But if while in the message you shift-tab once, your cursor is on the attachment name. then just press enter to open it.
At 03:50 PM 11/29/2012, you wrote:
OK. I was told wrong. Perhaps it is just Outlook 2010 that has
disabled the technique that, like you, I use almost daily.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:45 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Ed,

Beg to differ. This is exactly the way I've done it with Outlook 2007
with versions of JAWS all the way back to 11. I'm using Windows 7, if
that helps to clear the discrepancy.

Pressing the Apps key (or Shift+F10) opens a context menu with "View
Attachments submenu" as the choice with the hotkey "H".

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:20
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Dave:
Looking forward to your report.
I agree that using the App key on the message list is a much better way
to get to attachments in Outlook 2003.
I'm told, however, that it is no longer possible to use this function
in Outlook 2007 or 2010?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Adrian,

Yes, I recall that with my copy of Outlook 2007 it also requires that I
right click (or Apps key) and select open to open attachments. I think
this has been in place since JAWS 12, but not certain at this point.
However you can also open the attachments from the message list:

Highlight the message with the attachment.
Right click or Apps key.
"H" for attachment.
Press enter on the desired attachment from the context menu.

I find this a lot faster than opening the message first, when I don't
need to see the message body text for context.

I will be reporting in another couple weeks on an ongoing experiment
I'm running with JAWS, Windows 7 and Office 2007. Very interesting
things happening -- or perhaps not happening any more.

Stay tuned.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:23
Subject: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Hi. A friend whose law firm still uses Outlook 2003 installed JAWS 14
the other day and found that she could no longer open email attachments
as easily as she had done before. Instead of just pressing enter to
open one, she now has to right-click, then go to open and then press
enter. Only two more steps, yes, but a nuisance when it's a task we
perform dozens of times every day.

However, here's the reason I'm posting this message. She contacted FS
Tech Support and was told that JAWS 14 does not support Outlook 2003.

If anyone has a different experience, I'd be curious. Otherwise, this
is an FYI to any listers who, like me, still live in the pre-ribbon era.

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Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

First thing I tried, Dave. As I recall, a sighted colleague told me how it worked. The up and over technique works on everyone here at the office, save for one guy. When he sends me a spreadsheet, I literally have to feel around with the JAWS cursor, but I always find it. Creating a labeled graphic also helped with his files.

Ted

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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:46 PM
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Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Ted,

Have you tried the Apps key on the message list? I don't have 2010 so can't test it myself.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 13:36
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Outlook 2010 is its own animal. You have to open the message, tab up, and
scroll over. Even that doesn't work on all messages, forcing you to scroll
around with the JAWS cursor, but up and over will work most of the time.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:20 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Dave:
Looking forward to your report.
I agree that using the App key on the message list is a much better way to
get to attachments in Outlook 2003.
I'm told, however, that it is no longer possible to use this function in
Outlook 2007 or 2010?


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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Adrian,

Yes, I recall that with my copy of Outlook 2007 it also requires that I
right click (or Apps key) and select open to open attachments. I think this
has been in place since JAWS 12, but not certain at this point. However you
can also open the attachments from the message list:

Highlight the message with the attachment.
Right click or Apps key.
"H" for attachment.
Press enter on the desired attachment from the context menu.

I find this a lot faster than opening the message first, when I don't need
to see the message body text for context.

I will be reporting in another couple weeks on an ongoing experiment I'm
running with JAWS, Windows 7 and Office 2007. Very interesting things
happening -- or perhaps not happening any more.

Stay tuned.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:23
Subject: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Hi. A friend whose law firm still uses Outlook 2003 installed JAWS 14 the
other day and found that she could no longer open email attachments as
easily as she had done before. Instead of just pressing enter to open one,
she now has to right-click, then go to open and then press enter. Only two
more steps, yes, but a nuisance when it's a task we perform dozens of times
every day.

However, here's the reason I'm posting this message. She contacted FS Tech
Support and was told that JAWS 14 does not support Outlook 2003.

If anyone has a different experience, I'd be curious. Otherwise, this is an
FYI to any listers who, like me, still live in the pre-ribbon era.

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Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I guess it has. Trying that now tells you there are no objects in the text layer.

Ted

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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:42 PM
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Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Ted:
In Outlook 2003, you used to be able to press control + Shift + O, which would convert the message to plain text. That would move the attachments into a kind of attachments area to which you could tab, arrow through the selections, and press ENTER on the attachment you wanted to open.
Has that been destroyed in Outlook 2010 too?


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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Outlook 2010 is its own animal. You have to open the message, tab up, and scroll over. Even that doesn't work on all messages, forcing you to scroll around with the JAWS cursor, but up and over will work most of the time.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:20 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Dave:
Looking forward to your report.
I agree that using the App key on the message list is a much better way to get to attachments in Outlook 2003.
I'm told, however, that it is no longer possible to use this function in Outlook 2007 or 2010?


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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Adrian,

Yes, I recall that with my copy of Outlook 2007 it also requires that I right click (or Apps key) and select open to open attachments. I think this has been in place since JAWS 12, but not certain at this point. However you can also open the attachments from the message list:

Highlight the message with the attachment.
Right click or Apps key.
"H" for attachment.
Press enter on the desired attachment from the context menu.

I find this a lot faster than opening the message first, when I don't need to see the message body text for context.

I will be reporting in another couple weeks on an ongoing experiment I'm running with JAWS, Windows 7 and Office 2007. Very interesting things happening -- or perhaps not happening any more.

Stay tuned.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:23
Subject: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Hi. A friend whose law firm still uses Outlook 2003 installed JAWS 14 the
other day and found that she could no longer open email attachments as
easily as she had done before. Instead of just pressing enter to open one,
she now has to right-click, then go to open and then press enter. Only two
more steps, yes, but a nuisance when it's a task we perform dozens of times
every day.

However, here's the reason I'm posting this message. She contacted FS Tech
Support and was told that JAWS 14 does not support Outlook 2003.

If anyone has a different experience, I'd be curious. Otherwise, this is an
FYI to any listers who, like me, still live in the pre-ribbon era.

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Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Dani Pagador
 

Hi, Cy.
Ins+a still works in Outlook 2010; the message has to be open, though.
HTH,
Dani

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

What happened to JAWS key+A?
Works on XP, W7, Office 2003, 2007.
Cy

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Ted:
In Outlook 2003, you used to be able to press control + Shift + O, which
would convert the message to plain text. That would move the attachments
into a kind of attachments area to which you could tab, arrow through the
selections, and press ENTER on the attachment you wanted to open.
Has that been destroyed in Outlook 2010 too?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Outlook 2010 is its own animal. You have to open the message, tab up, and
scroll over. Even that doesn't work on all messages, forcing you to scroll
around with the JAWS cursor, but up and over will work most of the time.

Ted

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:20 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Dave:
Looking forward to your report.
I agree that using the App key on the message list is a much better way to
get to attachments in Outlook 2003.
I'm told, however, that it is no longer possible to use this function in
Outlook 2007 or 2010?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Adrian,

Yes, I recall that with my copy of Outlook 2007 it also requires that I
right click (or Apps key) and select open to open attachments. I think this
has been in place since JAWS 12, but not certain at this point. However you
can also open the attachments from the message list:

Highlight the message with the attachment.
Right click or Apps key.
"H" for attachment.
Press enter on the desired attachment from the context menu.

I find this a lot faster than opening the message first, when I don't need
to see the message body text for context.

I will be reporting in another couple weeks on an ongoing experiment I'm
running with JAWS, Windows 7 and Office 2007. Very interesting things
happening -- or perhaps not happening any more.

Stay tuned.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:23
Subject: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Hi. A friend whose law firm still uses Outlook 2003 installed JAWS 14 the
other day and found that she could no longer open email attachments as
easily as she had done before. Instead of just pressing enter to open one,
she now has to right-click, then go to open and then press enter. Only two
more steps, yes, but a nuisance when it's a task we perform dozens of times
every day.

However, here's the reason I'm posting this message. She contacted FS Tech
Support and was told that JAWS 14 does not support Outlook 2003.

If anyone has a different experience, I'd be curious. Otherwise, this is an
FYI to any listers who, like me, still live in the pre-ribbon era.

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Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Dani Pagador
 

Hi, Dave.
I get all the way to step 5 where I'm supposed to see what's under the
context menu. Nope, no "View attachments" option.
I forgot to say that I have the message with the attachment open; it's only
after the msg is open that I can do the shift+tab etc that I mentioned in my
previous reply.
I don't have access to Outlook 2003 anymore, so can't test your steps to see
if they would've gotten results there.
More Later,
Dani

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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Dani,

Okay, try this:

1. You are in the list of messages, such as the Inbox.
2. Arrow to a message with an attachment.
3. Press either the Apps key on your keyboard, or Shift-F10.
4. A context menu should open.
5. See if one of the choices is View Attachments submenu.
6. If yes, then arrow right and you should see an attachment name, and it
may be the first of several.
7. Press Enter on the attachment to open it.
8. Report back to us.

Thanks!
Dave Carlson
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Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 15:17
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Hi, Ed and Dave.
I'm using Win7 64-bit with Outlook 2010, and haven't made the shift to JFW14
yet.
When I ctrl+shift+o in an open message, JFW says there are no objects to
display.
If the message has attachment(s), I can shift+tab to get to the attachments
list. When I select the attachment I want, shift+F10 gets me to the ribbon,
and the tab I land on is called Attachments. Arrow down to the Actions
submenu, and find options to open, save, print, or remove the attachment.
HTH,
Dani

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:38 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Ed,

Looking forward to your findings.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 14:25
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


OK.
I'm obviously confused.
In Outlook 2003, if, while in a message, I press control + shift + O, the
message is converted to plain text, and the embedded messages are moved up
to the attachment box. Then, one can press shift + tab to land on the
attachments. From there, one can open the message attachments. That, I
think, is what Ann is describing.
I thought Ted was saying one can no longer do that in Outlook 2010.
Actually, I'm due to get Outlook 2010 this weekend. So, I'll try all the
keystrokes suggested here and then report.
Speculation is fun, but actually testing in the actual program tends to
produce more reliable results. <SMILE>
I thought it was in one of the Hadley seminars that I heard Dave's method of

pressing the App key in the message list no longer produces an applications
menu with attachments displayed. Perhaps that referred to 2010 only and not

to 2007 and 2010.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

But if while in the message you shift-tab once, your cursor
is on the attachment name. then just press enter to open it.
At 03:50 PM 11/29/2012, you wrote:
OK. I was told wrong. Perhaps it is just Outlook 2010 that has
disabled the technique that, like you, I use almost daily.


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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:45 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Ed,

Beg to differ. This is exactly the way I've done it with Outlook 2007 with
versions of JAWS all the way back to 11. I'm using Windows 7, if that helps
to clear the discrepancy.

Pressing the Apps key (or Shift+F10) opens a context menu with "View
Attachments submenu" as the choice with the hotkey "H".

Dave Carlson
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Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:20
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Dave:
Looking forward to your report.
I agree that using the App key on the message list is a much better way to
get to attachments in Outlook 2003.
I'm told, however, that it is no longer possible to use this function in
Outlook 2007 or 2010?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Adrian,

Yes, I recall that with my copy of Outlook 2007 it also requires that I
right click (or Apps key) and select open to open attachments. I think this
has been in place since JAWS 12, but not certain at this point. However you
can also open the attachments from the message list:

Highlight the message with the attachment.
Right click or Apps key.
"H" for attachment.
Press enter on the desired attachment from the context menu.

I find this a lot faster than opening the message first, when I don't need
to see the message body text for context.

I will be reporting in another couple weeks on an ongoing experiment I'm
running with JAWS, Windows 7 and Office 2007. Very interesting things
happening -- or perhaps not happening any more.

Stay tuned.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:23
Subject: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Hi. A friend whose law firm still uses Outlook 2003 installed JAWS 14 the
other day and found that she could no longer open email attachments as
easily as she had done before. Instead of just pressing enter to open one,
she now has to right-click, then go to open and then press enter. Only two
more steps, yes, but a nuisance when it's a task we perform dozens of times
every day.

However, here's the reason I'm posting this message. She contacted FS Tech
Support and was told that JAWS 14 does not support Outlook 2003.

If anyone has a different experience, I'd be curious. Otherwise, this is an
FYI to any listers who, like me, still live in the pre-ribbon era.

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Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Dave...
 

Cy,

What version of JAWS, did you say?


Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 18:58
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


What happened to JAWS key+A?
Works on XP, W7, Office 2003, 2007.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Ted:
In Outlook 2003, you used to be able to press control + Shift + O, which
would convert the message to plain text. That would move the attachments
into a kind of attachments area to which you could tab, arrow through the
selections, and press ENTER on the attachment you wanted to open.
Has that been destroyed in Outlook 2010 too?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Outlook 2010 is its own animal. You have to open the message, tab up, and
scroll over. Even that doesn't work on all messages, forcing you to scroll
around with the JAWS cursor, but up and over will work most of the time.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:20 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Dave:
Looking forward to your report.
I agree that using the App key on the message list is a much better way to
get to attachments in Outlook 2003.
I'm told, however, that it is no longer possible to use this function in
Outlook 2007 or 2010?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Adrian,

Yes, I recall that with my copy of Outlook 2007 it also requires that I
right click (or Apps key) and select open to open attachments. I think this
has been in place since JAWS 12, but not certain at this point. However you
can also open the attachments from the message list:

Highlight the message with the attachment.
Right click or Apps key.
"H" for attachment.
Press enter on the desired attachment from the context menu.

I find this a lot faster than opening the message first, when I don't need
to see the message body text for context.

I will be reporting in another couple weeks on an ongoing experiment I'm
running with JAWS, Windows 7 and Office 2007. Very interesting things
happening -- or perhaps not happening any more.

Stay tuned.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:23
Subject: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Hi. A friend whose law firm still uses Outlook 2003 installed JAWS 14 the
other day and found that she could no longer open email attachments as
easily as she had done before. Instead of just pressing enter to open one,
she now has to right-click, then go to open and then press enter. Only two
more steps, yes, but a nuisance when it's a task we perform dozens of times
every day.

However, here's the reason I'm posting this message. She contacted FS Tech
Support and was told that JAWS 14 does not support Outlook 2003.

If anyone has a different experience, I'd be curious. Otherwise, this is an
FYI to any listers who, like me, still live in the pre-ribbon era.

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Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Cy Selfridge
 

What happened to JAWS key+A?
Works on XP, W7, Office 2003, 2007.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Ted:
In Outlook 2003, you used to be able to press control + Shift + O, which
would convert the message to plain text. That would move the attachments
into a kind of attachments area to which you could tab, arrow through the
selections, and press ENTER on the attachment you wanted to open.
Has that been destroyed in Outlook 2010 too?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Outlook 2010 is its own animal. You have to open the message, tab up, and
scroll over. Even that doesn't work on all messages, forcing you to scroll
around with the JAWS cursor, but up and over will work most of the time.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:20 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Dave:
Looking forward to your report.
I agree that using the App key on the message list is a much better way to
get to attachments in Outlook 2003.
I'm told, however, that it is no longer possible to use this function in
Outlook 2007 or 2010?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Adrian,

Yes, I recall that with my copy of Outlook 2007 it also requires that I
right click (or Apps key) and select open to open attachments. I think this
has been in place since JAWS 12, but not certain at this point. However you
can also open the attachments from the message list:

Highlight the message with the attachment.
Right click or Apps key.
"H" for attachment.
Press enter on the desired attachment from the context menu.

I find this a lot faster than opening the message first, when I don't need
to see the message body text for context.

I will be reporting in another couple weeks on an ongoing experiment I'm
running with JAWS, Windows 7 and Office 2007. Very interesting things
happening -- or perhaps not happening any more.

Stay tuned.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:23
Subject: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Hi. A friend whose law firm still uses Outlook 2003 installed JAWS 14 the
other day and found that she could no longer open email attachments as
easily as she had done before. Instead of just pressing enter to open one,
she now has to right-click, then go to open and then press enter. Only two
more steps, yes, but a nuisance when it's a task we perform dozens of times
every day.

However, here's the reason I'm posting this message. She contacted FS Tech
Support and was told that JAWS 14 does not support Outlook 2003.

If anyone has a different experience, I'd be curious. Otherwise, this is an
FYI to any listers who, like me, still live in the pre-ribbon era.

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Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Ann Byrne
 

that doesn't work in 2010. I miss it.

At 05:43 PM 11/29/2012, you wrote:
Dani,

Okay, try this:

1. You are in the list of messages, such as the Inbox.
2. Arrow to a message with an attachment.
3. Press either the Apps key on your keyboard, or Shift-F10.
4. A context menu should open.
5. See if one of the choices is View Attachments submenu.
6. If yes, then arrow right and you should see an attachment name, and it
may be the first of several.
7. Press Enter on the attachment to open it.
8. Report back to us.

Thanks!
Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dani L Pagador" <axs.brl@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 15:17
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Hi, Ed and Dave.
I'm using Win7 64-bit with Outlook 2010, and haven't made the shift to JFW14
yet.
When I ctrl+shift+o in an open message, JFW says there are no objects to
display.
If the message has attachment(s), I can shift+tab to get to the attachments
list. When I select the attachment I want, shift+F10 gets me to the ribbon,
and the tab I land on is called Attachments. Arrow down to the Actions
submenu, and find options to open, save, print, or remove the attachment.
HTH,
Dani

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:38 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Ed,

Looking forward to your findings.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 14:25
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


OK.
I'm obviously confused.
In Outlook 2003, if, while in a message, I press control + shift + O, the
message is converted to plain text, and the embedded messages are moved up
to the attachment box. Then, one can press shift + tab to land on the
attachments. From there, one can open the message attachments. That, I
think, is what Ann is describing.
I thought Ted was saying one can no longer do that in Outlook 2010.
Actually, I'm due to get Outlook 2010 this weekend. So, I'll try all the
keystrokes suggested here and then report.
Speculation is fun, but actually testing in the actual program tends to
produce more reliable results. <SMILE>
I thought it was in one of the Hadley seminars that I heard Dave's method of

pressing the App key in the message list no longer produces an applications
menu with attachments displayed. Perhaps that referred to 2010 only and not

to 2007 and 2010.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

But if while in the message you shift-tab once, your cursor
is on the attachment name. then just press enter to open it.
At 03:50 PM 11/29/2012, you wrote:
OK. I was told wrong. Perhaps it is just Outlook 2010 that has
disabled the technique that, like you, I use almost daily.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:45 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Ed,

Beg to differ. This is exactly the way I've done it with Outlook 2007 with
versions of JAWS all the way back to 11. I'm using Windows 7, if that helps
to clear the discrepancy.

Pressing the Apps key (or Shift+F10) opens a context menu with "View
Attachments submenu" as the choice with the hotkey "H".

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:20
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Dave:
Looking forward to your report.
I agree that using the App key on the message list is a much better way to
get to attachments in Outlook 2003.
I'm told, however, that it is no longer possible to use this function in
Outlook 2007 or 2010?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Adrian,

Yes, I recall that with my copy of Outlook 2007 it also requires that I
right click (or Apps key) and select open to open attachments. I think this
has been in place since JAWS 12, but not certain at this point. However you
can also open the attachments from the message list:

Highlight the message with the attachment.
Right click or Apps key.
"H" for attachment.
Press enter on the desired attachment from the context menu.

I find this a lot faster than opening the message first, when I don't need
to see the message body text for context.

I will be reporting in another couple weeks on an ongoing experiment I'm
running with JAWS, Windows 7 and Office 2007. Very interesting things
happening -- or perhaps not happening any more.

Stay tuned.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:23
Subject: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Hi. A friend whose law firm still uses Outlook 2003 installed JAWS 14 the
other day and found that she could no longer open email attachments as
easily as she had done before. Instead of just pressing enter to open one,
she now has to right-click, then go to open and then press enter. Only two
more steps, yes, but a nuisance when it's a task we perform dozens of times
every day.

However, here's the reason I'm posting this message. She contacted FS Tech
Support and was told that JAWS 14 does not support Outlook 2003.

If anyone has a different experience, I'd be curious. Otherwise, this is an
FYI to any listers who, like me, still live in the pre-ribbon era.

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Re: JAWS losing focus?

Dave...
 

Abby,

I know of no way to remove that stuff. Agree that it's superfluous, and just
a tool for folks with vision.

But no joy, I think we're never going to find a way to remove it, unless
someone clever can find a way to exorcised it from the registry or create an
add-on that squelches it.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 16:24
Subject: RE: JAWS losing focus?


Is the address/search tar baby part of IE or Google? I have the same
problem of getting stuck. I did manage to remove it, but when I went to the
IE page again, it came back up. The JAWS cursor and ctrl-f6 methods do
work, but I'd really like to get rid of it completely. As far as I know, it
does nothing that can't be done in a less annoying way.
Abby

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Yes, Happens to me a lot, even if the page is completely loaded. Alt+tab a
couple times, and even sometimes need to minimize IE and maximize again to
get it focused.

And I always have to press Ctrl+F6 to get out of the upper
address/favorites/search section. Very easy to get stuck in that tar-baby of
IE.

And yes, it's frustrating. In some particularly severe cases I even need to
use my JAWS cursor to find some text on the web page and press left click to
"wake up" the page into focus.

JAWS 13 and 14 both do this.

Using IE8. Windows 7.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 15:20
Subject: JAWS losing focus?




I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the web,
JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to where I was.


Anyone else?

Thanks.

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Re: Outlook 2010 with attachmentns--was Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Ann Byrne
 

Oh, boy! I probably lied! I have been in too many email programs lately!

Try this, while in the body of a message with an attachment:

1. Press alt to get to the ribbon.
Arrow to attachments
3. tab once to 'open', or some such thing
4. Press enter.
5. Shift-tab to get to the attachment. There will be at least two names. The leftmost says 'message', and can be disregarded. The second and all subsequent filenames will be attachments. Press right and left arrow to move through the list of attachments. Press enter on a file name to open it, or copy/paste the filename to save it.

Good luck!

Ann


Re: JAWS losing focus?

Abby Vincent <aevincent@...>
 

Is the address/search tar baby part of IE or Google? I have the same
problem of getting stuck. I did manage to remove it, but when I went to the
IE page again, it came back up. The JAWS cursor and ctrl-f6 methods do
work, but I'd really like to get rid of it completely. As far as I know, it
does nothing that can't be done in a less annoying way.
Abby

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Yes, Happens to me a lot, even if the page is completely loaded. Alt+tab a
couple times, and even sometimes need to minimize IE and maximize again to
get it focused.

And I always have to press Ctrl+F6 to get out of the upper
address/favorites/search section. Very easy to get stuck in that tar-baby of
IE.

And yes, it's frustrating. In some particularly severe cases I even need to
use my JAWS cursor to find some text on the web page and press left click to
"wake up" the page into focus.

JAWS 13 and 14 both do this.

Using IE8. Windows 7.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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From: "Karoline Bourdeau" <karoline.bourdeau@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 15:20
Subject: JAWS losing focus?




I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the web,
JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to where I was.


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Thanks.

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Re: JAWS losing focus?

Lisa Larges
 

I've experienced this as well -- some with Internet Explorer, but especially
with FireFox.
In fact, I just opened FireFox to check which version I had, and there it
was again.
This seems to happen more with JAWS14. In general I've found that JAWS14 and
FireFox don't play as well together as JAWS13 did.
Along with JAWS14 I'm running FireFox 16.02 and IE 8. I downgraded from IE9
to IE8 and found that it's a bit more stable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 5:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
ubject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Yes, Happens to me a lot, even if the page is completely loaded. Alt+tab a
couple times, and even sometimes need to minimize IE and maximize again to
get it focused.

And I always have to press Ctrl+F6 to get out of the upper
address/favorites/search section. Very easy to get stuck in that tar-baby of
IE.

And yes, it's frustrating. In some particularly severe cases I even need to
use my JAWS cursor to find some text on the web page and press left click to
"wake up" the page into focus.

JAWS 13 and 14 both do this.

Using IE8. Windows 7.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Karoline Bourdeau" <karoline.bourdeau@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 15:20
Subject: JAWS losing focus?




I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the web,
JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to where I was.


Anyone else?

Thanks.

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Re: JAWS losing focus?

Dave...
 

And Abbie, I'm not saying you're wrong -- I actually believe that someone in
Tech Support told you that.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Abby Vincent" <aevincent@ca.rr.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 15:59
Subject: RE: JAWS losing focus?


This happens to me often. I lose focus especially just after I've entered
something, such as in an edit box. I haven't tried lately, but earlier this
year, FS tech support said it's a windows problem. I did have a sighted
person try the same action without using JAWS. No loss of focus. I hope
someone on the list will have a fix, but I'm pretty sure it's an issue that
JAWS needs to address.
Abby

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Yes, Happens to me a lot, even if the page is completely loaded. Alt+tab a
couple times, and even sometimes need to minimize IE and maximize again to
get it focused.

And I always have to press Ctrl+F6 to get out of the upper
address/favorites/search section. Very easy to get stuck in that tar-baby of
IE.

And yes, it's frustrating. In some particularly severe cases I even need to
use my JAWS cursor to find some text on the web page and press left click to
"wake up" the page into focus.

JAWS 13 and 14 both do this.

Using IE8. Windows 7.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Karoline Bourdeau" <karoline.bourdeau@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 15:20
Subject: JAWS losing focus?




I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the web,
JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to where I was.


Anyone else?

Thanks.

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Re: JAWS losing focus?

Dave...
 

They said it was a Windows problem? I find that almost humorous. That's like
blaming the ocean for getting you wet when you swim in it. JAWS is supposed
to work with Windows, not in spite of it.

I wonder which Tech had the audacity to suggest that?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Abby Vincent" <aevincent@ca.rr.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 15:59
Subject: RE: JAWS losing focus?


This happens to me often. I lose focus especially just after I've entered
something, such as in an edit box. I haven't tried lately, but earlier this
year, FS tech support said it's a windows problem. I did have a sighted
person try the same action without using JAWS. No loss of focus. I hope
someone on the list will have a fix, but I'm pretty sure it's an issue that
JAWS needs to address.
Abby

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Yes, Happens to me a lot, even if the page is completely loaded. Alt+tab a
couple times, and even sometimes need to minimize IE and maximize again to
get it focused.

And I always have to press Ctrl+F6 to get out of the upper
address/favorites/search section. Very easy to get stuck in that tar-baby of
IE.

And yes, it's frustrating. In some particularly severe cases I even need to
use my JAWS cursor to find some text on the web page and press left click to
"wake up" the page into focus.

JAWS 13 and 14 both do this.

Using IE8. Windows 7.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Karoline Bourdeau" <karoline.bourdeau@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 15:20
Subject: JAWS losing focus?




I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the web,
JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to where I was.


Anyone else?

Thanks.

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Re: JAWS losing focus?

Abby Vincent <aevincent@...>
 

This happens to me often. I lose focus especially just after I've entered
something, such as in an edit box. I haven't tried lately, but earlier this
year, FS tech support said it's a windows problem. I did have a sighted
person try the same action without using JAWS. No loss of focus. I hope
someone on the list will have a fix, but I'm pretty sure it's an issue that
JAWS needs to address.
Abby

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Yes, Happens to me a lot, even if the page is completely loaded. Alt+tab a
couple times, and even sometimes need to minimize IE and maximize again to
get it focused.

And I always have to press Ctrl+F6 to get out of the upper
address/favorites/search section. Very easy to get stuck in that tar-baby of
IE.

And yes, it's frustrating. In some particularly severe cases I even need to
use my JAWS cursor to find some text on the web page and press left click to
"wake up" the page into focus.

JAWS 13 and 14 both do this.

Using IE8. Windows 7.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Karoline Bourdeau" <karoline.bourdeau@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 15:20
Subject: JAWS losing focus?




I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the web,
JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to where I was.


Anyone else?

Thanks.

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Re: JAWS losing focus?

Dave...
 

Yes, Happens to me a lot, even if the page is completely loaded. Alt+tab a
couple times, and even sometimes need to minimize IE and maximize again to
get it focused.

And I always have to press Ctrl+F6 to get out of the upper
address/favorites/search section. Very easy to get stuck in that tar-baby of
IE.

And yes, it's frustrating. In some particularly severe cases I even need to
use my JAWS cursor to find some text on the web page and press left click to
"wake up" the page into focus.

JAWS 13 and 14 both do this.

Using IE8. Windows 7.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karoline Bourdeau" <karoline.bourdeau@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 15:20
Subject: JAWS losing focus?




I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the web,
JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to where I was.


Anyone else?

Thanks.

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