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Possible bug w/J2020 and Edge

Norma A. Boge

#80081

Hi group,

I’m using current versions of Jaws and Edge. When Edge has finished downloading a file, Jaws says “Download complete… Press Shift+F6 to cycle to the downloads bar area." This key combo puts me in the address bar, not the download area. I think the prompt should say F6 not shift f6. Anyone else noticed this?

Thanks,

Norma

shortkey announcement

Klaus Vielhauer

#80080

Hello,

since some time when entering a windows page the possible shortkeys are spoken.

How can I silence the announcement?

Klaus

Re: Scripts for JFW and Dragon?

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>

#80079

Unfortunately, that is unlikely to happen. The workers on the project have moved on and their web site is not in the greatest of condition.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 10:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Scripts for JFW and Dragon?

Dean,

Thanks for making me aware of this as I did not realize that the Dictationbridge scripts for JAWS were in such an unfinished state. I hope that the project team makes this clear on their Web site.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 6/24/2020 7:25 AM, Dean Martineau wrote:

I understand that it appears that Dictation Bridge for JAWS is a product, but it does not in fact work. Lucy Greko, one of those who spearheaded the project, confirmed this when I met year last year. The project ran out of funding, and development was still necessary for the JAWS version. I think some people can use it, experienced users, but it is not for everybody as the project intended.

Dean

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 6:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Scripts for JFW and Dragon?

Hi. A free version of Dictation Bridge is also available for JAWS.
Hartgen Consultancy has two solutions for using JAWS with Dragon. J-Dictate is for people who want to use Dragon for dictation into programs such as Word, Outlook, etc., who are comfortable or able to use their computer keyboard.
J-Say not only allows for voice dictation but it allows a user to completely control their computer with all commands, both for Windows as well as for JAWS. The programs from Hartgen Consultancy are specific to JAWS whereas Dictation Bridge has a separate addon for NVDA.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 6/23/2020 2:29 PM, Dean Martineau wrote:
> Your best bet is to buy Jay dictate to work with dragon and jaws. > With NVDA, you would be able to use dictation bridge, which is free. > > On Jun 23, 2020, at 1:09 PM, Dani Pagador <pocketfulofspry@...> > wrote: > > Hi, Everyone. I need to archive a book and want to use Dragon > Naturally Speaking to do it. I'm running JFW18 and Win10. Are there > scripts that work with JFW and Dragon? Or resources I can access to > learn to use the dictation feature of the program? > > Thanks, Dani > > > > > >

Re: android vs ios.

Edward Green

#80078

Hi,

The equivalent book for Android is called Getting Started with Android by Ana Garza. An e-book version is available for purchase from the National Braille Press.

It’s a bit dated but still well worth it for new users as Android fundamentals haven’t changed significantly.

Cheers,

Ed

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: 27 June 2020 09:03
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: android vs ios.

Whichever you choose, expect to have at least two weeks of utter frustration!

When I first got my iphone, I worked my way through ‘Getting Started with the iPhone- An Introduction for Blind Users’

By Anna Dresner and Dean Martineau. I found it invalueable. I know this has been updated so should still be available. There may be tutorials for Android but I don’t know of any.

Alison

Re: android vs ios.

CJ &AA MAY

#80077

Whichever you choose, expect to have at least two weeks of utter frustration!

When I first got my iphone, I worked my way through ‘Getting Started with the iPhone- An Introduction for Blind Users’

By Anna Dresner and Dean Martineau. I found it invalueable. I know this has been updated so should still be available. There may be tutorials for Android but I don’t know of any.

Alison

Speech and sound scheme issue

Richard Chen

#80076

Hi,

I created a new speech and sound scheme to better identify revisions in MS Word (based on the power tip on the most recent FS podcast), but when I activated the speech and sound scheme, it doesn’t seem to be reading the attributes I reflected in the newly-created scheme. Wondering if folks may have ideas as to how I can troubleshoot ?

Thanks

Re: android vs ios.

David Moore

#80075

I use both an Android phone with Talkback and an iPhone with voice over! It was just as hard to learn Voiceover as it was to learn Talkback. Also Android 11, which will come out in the fall, will have a lot of the same multi-finger gestures as Voiceover. Android is better because you can use third party apps instead of using just what Apple will let you use. You can customize your Android phone much more, and what do you know, Ios 14 is adding the app drawer just like android. IOS 14 is taking from Android and Google. What range of phone are you using? please join the ANATAD list. It standds for Android apps news talk and deals.
anatad+subscribe@...
it is a very helpful list with a weekly podcast called the anatad podcast that you can find with any podcast service. You need a good phone, even with Android. Please email me off list. I will give you plenty of tutorials and the truth about both the iPhone and Android.
David Moore

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On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 2:23 AM Patrick Murphy <murphy.patrick42@...> wrote:

hi folks,

i know that this is not the forum for this question, but maybe one of you good people might have some ideas as to where i should go.
currently, i have an old nokia phone about 300 years of age.
i have decided to take the great leap into the unknown and start using a modern tap screen phone.
i have a samsung android phone with talkback on it, but it is proving to be somewhat of a trouble.
i would say, that it is just because i am new to it, but web sites offering training tips seem to be non existent.
also, the braille keyboard seems to be a bit of a pain. i also dont want to have to attach a keyboard to it, as this defeats the purpose of having a phone you can carry around with you.
on the other hand, i have heard, that apple's voice over is much better.
again, training seems to be the problem. i should be able to get my hands on an ifone.
any thoughts?
anyone prefer one over the other?
cheers,
pat

Re: android vs ios.

Sieghard Weitzel

#80074

I also think iOS is just more intuitive and even after all these years when both platforms have matured, iOS is in my view more polished and easier to use.

There is a load of material about iOS and iPhones out there, www.Applevis.com is just one example, Apple has an accessibility support line as well as email address and if you call their support and need help they can even connect to your phone and see what you are doing.

There are email lists for both Android and iOS, the Viphone list is one I have been on for the last 10 years or so since I started using an iPhone.

If you really want to use a keyboard you can actually get Apple's camera connection cable and use it to connect a USB keyboard, but in my opinion a Bluetooth keyboard makes much more sense with a mobile device and there are lots of great options out there from Logitech as well as others.

As for price any high-end Android phone nowadays costs just as much as the high-end iPhones, yes, you can probably pick up a cheap Android phone for $200 or so, but then again the new iPhone SE 2 which was recently released also is not that expensive and from all I heard on the Viphone list as well as in general it's fantastic phone.

I guess it all depends on what you plan to do with the phone, for me being able to transfer information from my PC to the phone by copying and pasting is not very important, I have an Apple Music subscription so I never store mucis on the device any more, I do just about all my audio book listening on Audible and the odd book I have in MP3 I can easily transfer to Voice Dream Reader via Dropbox.

I consider to be a pretty profficient user of my iPhone, but I absolutely don't believe in being able to replace a computer with my iPhone, I don't compose long texts on my phone, if I have to type a longer email or want to have an on-going text chat on Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp or other app I do use my Bluetooth keyboard. I have a Logitech K780 which I use via its USB dongle as my primary keyboard for my laptop and if I want to use it wih my iPhone all I have to do is press FN+F2 and it switches over, when I'm done I press F1 and I'm back on my PC.

Best regards,

Sieghard

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 11:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: android vs ios.

I have both, and in terms of ease of use with regard to the gestures, it is my opinion that the iPhone is much easier to operate.

On the other hand, with Android, I can have Eloquence for the voice, and I can simply copy and paste to and from my computer to the Android phone.

With Android, you can get a USB adapter and plug in a desktop keyboard or anything USB, you can't do that with IOS.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Patrick Murphy

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 1:23 AM

Subject: Re: android vs ios.

hi folks,

i know that this is not the forum for this question, but maybe one of you good people might have some ideas as to where i should go.

currently, i have an old nokia phone about 300 years of age.

i have decided to take the great leap into the unknown and start using a modern tap screen phone.

i have a samsung android phone with talkback on it, but it is proving to be somewhat of a trouble.

i would say, that it is just because i am new to it, but web sites offering training tips seem to be non existent.

also, the braille keyboard seems to be a bit of a pain. i also dont want to have to attach a keyboard to it, as this defeats the purpose of having a phone you can carry around with you.

on the other hand, i have heard, that apple's voice over is much better.

again, training seems to be the problem. i should be able to get my hands on an ifone.

any thoughts?

anyone prefer one over the other?

cheers,

pat

Re: android vs ios.

Glenn / Lenny

#80073