Date   
Re: tax programs.

John Covici
 

Desktop version of taxact is pretty accessible, I don't care for
online versions of such programs.

On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 17:46:31 -0400,
Abraham Sweiss wrote:

Online version of TurboTax is relatively accessible.

Thanks,abraham

On Mar 14, 2020, at 3:45 PM, netbat66 <netbat66@...> wrote:

hi all,
has anyone been able to complete there tax return with turbo tax or hr block? either the software or on line?
are they accessible?
i had a appointment for march 31 but the center shut down until further notice because of the corona virus threat.




--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...

Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

As I said, it would be good to know what your provider is and what protocol you use for your mail. I sure hope it’s IMAP and not POP3.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 2:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

How true your words yet  The action occurred while replying to an open message.  Sorry, no mistake here.  Outlook and JAWS do not always mix well.  I realize JAWS did not delete the e-mail but I stand behind my comments that so often companies want to promote the new the tried and true interactions get buggy.  I have worked with software for over 25 years  and I know that the weird, , unexplainable can happen. 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

Dan,

 

I understand your frustration, but it’s crucial to diagnose the problem correctly. JAWS cannot delete emails. What can happen, I suspect, is that sometimes when we make a mistake, JAWS doesn’t alert us in time for us to stop the harm. One evening last summer when I was really tired and distracted, I accidentally deleted 142 crucial messages. I tried every trick in the book to retrieve them, including some clever tips I found through Google. However, I know what I did wrong. Instead of using Outlook’s control-shift-v to move those messages elsewhere, a command I’ve used every day for years, I used control-x,  the traditional cut command used in conjunction with the control-c copy command. Somehow that keystroke, perhaps in combination with another keystroke right after, led to untraceable, permanent deletion.

 

I’m guessing a person with sight with see the consequences of such mistakes on the screen and be able to fix them. For instance, had I known the mistake I’d made, I would have immediately typed control-z to undo my last action. But by the time I realized what had happened, I was a step or two beyond any help the undo command could give me.

 

Unfortunately, mistakes aren’t always immediately obvious to those of us who must rely on our other senses. JAWS requires that we be seriously attentive.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 7:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook and JAWS

 

Hi,

  JAWS 2020 seems to have ongoing issues with Outlook.  Today I forwarded a message in Outlook and somehow JAWS managed to delete several e-mails.  The mail is gone from Outlook, Web Mail and is not in my trash or other folders.  I am using JAWS 2020, Outlook 365 , and Windows 10 home latest version.  Outlook behaves properly with sighted person and yet gets a bit sluggish with JAWS.  This latest bug reminds me again of how much I appreciate Narrator.  I truly believe JAWS has become so interested in new features that they are failing to catch bugs that are cropping up in programs that are critical to so many.

 

Dan   

 

Re: tax programs.

Abraham Sweiss
 

Online version of TurboTax is relatively accessible.

Thanks,abraham

On Mar 14, 2020, at 3:45 PM, netbat66 <netbat66@...> wrote:

hi all,
has anyone been able to complete there tax return with turbo tax or hr block? either the software or on line?
are they accessible?
i had a appointment for march 31 but the center shut down until further notice because of the corona virus threat.


Re: Outlook and JAWS

Dan Longmore
 

How true your words yet  The action occurred while replying to an open message.  Sorry, no mistake here.  Outlook and JAWS do not always mix well.  I realize JAWS did not delete the e-mail but I stand behind my comments that so often companies want to promote the new the tried and true interactions get buggy.  I have worked with software for over 25 years  and I know that the weird, , unexplainable can happen. 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

Dan,

 

I understand your frustration, but it’s crucial to diagnose the problem correctly. JAWS cannot delete emails. What can happen, I suspect, is that sometimes when we make a mistake, JAWS doesn’t alert us in time for us to stop the harm. One evening last summer when I was really tired and distracted, I accidentally deleted 142 crucial messages. I tried every trick in the book to retrieve them, including some clever tips I found through Google. However, I know what I did wrong. Instead of using Outlook’s control-shift-v to move those messages elsewhere, a command I’ve used every day for years, I used control-x,  the traditional cut command used in conjunction with the control-c copy command. Somehow that keystroke, perhaps in combination with another keystroke right after, led to untraceable, permanent deletion.

 

I’m guessing a person with sight with see the consequences of such mistakes on the screen and be able to fix them. For instance, had I known the mistake I’d made, I would have immediately typed control-z to undo my last action. But by the time I realized what had happened, I was a step or two beyond any help the undo command could give me.

 

Unfortunately, mistakes aren’t always immediately obvious to those of us who must rely on our other senses. JAWS requires that we be seriously attentive.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 7:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook and JAWS

 

Hi,

  JAWS 2020 seems to have ongoing issues with Outlook.  Today I forwarded a message in Outlook and somehow JAWS managed to delete several e-mails.  The mail is gone from Outlook, Web Mail and is not in my trash or other folders.  I am using JAWS 2020, Outlook 365 , and Windows 10 home latest version.  Outlook behaves properly with sighted person and yet gets a bit sluggish with JAWS.  This latest bug reminds me again of how much I appreciate Narrator.  I truly believe JAWS has become so interested in new features that they are failing to catch bugs that are cropping up in programs that are critical to so many.

 

Dan   

 

Re: Outlook and JAWS

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,

  All of the suggestions recommended  were already in use.  While it seems odd this kind of bug exists   and although two of us are the only ones experiencing it be assured it is real and not due to human error.  So often when issues arise we are ready to say it can’t occur.  While human error is  often the cause ma I caution all users not to so easily dismiss problems or strange issues just because they are rare.  Software is quite imperfect and even the best contains many bugs that do not appear on all systems and under all circumstances.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Norma A. Boge
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 5:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

Hi,

 

Empty trash upon exit is not enabled.

All deleted messages go into trash, not into deleted folders. Thank you, tech support.

I do not delete from trash unless I know exactly what message is being deleted. And, of course, I go through the trash to find disappeared messages.

 

I checked twice, I did not see focused inbox.

 

I came from Office 2010. Now that was a great suite. With the exception of an occasional hiccup, Outlook 2010 performed beautifully. I’ve regretted jumping to 365 every day I’ve had it.

 

I wish I had kept all my tech support messages. I know at least one repair has been done, and I think a reinstall, but I’m not sure about that.

 

I know everybody thinks this is my own fault. But, even if I somehow were deleting important messages, wouldn’t I be able to find them someplace on my PC?

 

For what it’s worth…

Norma

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

I agree, this makes actually no sense at all because Office 365 is simply a subscription service which allows you to download and install the Office suite on a number of computers and, in addition, you also get 1 Tb of OneDrive storage, 60 monthly Skype minutes etc. But after you install Office you simply have the latest version of Outlook, Excel, Word and so on installed, Office 365 itself has nothing at all to do with emails disappearing from Outlook.

I wonder if Norma has Focused Inbox available in her View settings and if it is checked which would cause some messages not to be displayed unless you chose to see them.

To check press Alt + V for the view menu, down arrow once and then tab 5 times (at least that gets me to the focused Inbox), if you don’t see Focused Inbox then don’t worry about it.

What email service and protocol do you use, Norma?

I have been an Office 365 Small Business subscriber for at least 6 or maybe even more years and I never had an email disappear which I didn’t delete. And even if I deleted some, I can go to Deleted Items, press Shift + Tab once to “Restore deleted messages” and go through at least a month worth of deleted messages which I can restore at will. I think, however, that this feature may be limited to Exchange accounts which is what I use for my business and to Outlook.com accounts which is what I use privately.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

Have you exited outlook before checking the trash for the deleted message?

 

If so, then the empty trash on exit is enabled.

 

If not, I would also check the archive settings if Microsoft didn’t already do that.

 

That is very strange.

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Norma A. Boge
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

I’ve had messages disappear from Outlook 365 ever since I started using it. I’m not permanently deleting them, because I didn’t even know that keystroke until this thread. I’ve had tech support tell me they’re going to get my deleted messages back but they don’t. I’ve looked in trash and used Search Everything and Recuva and have not found the messages I need to get back. Some are personal in nature, some are software registration codes and receipts, etc. For me, Outlook 365 is so unreliable that I use Thunderbird for my small business. And, another thing about tech support, they seem to do more harm than good when I’ve tried to have them resolve an issue with this Outlook. I have a copy of Office 2016 and I’m this close to jumping off 365 and installing 2016. Thanks for letting me vent, Norma

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

Yes, I think it’s inadvisable to have messages automatically deleted from trash.

The command to delete a message permanently is shift-del. Again, for most of us, inadvisable.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 11:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

Also, aside from the fact that Jaws doesn't delete emails, there is a setting in Outlook to empty the trash/deleted folder upon exit; something I used to have checked, until I wanted to find an email I had deleted.

I now leave that unchecked so I have to manually remove them from the trash.

That is, of course, unless I use a command that causes immediate, permanent deletion, which I think is control-d.

I've used Jaws 2020 with Windows 10 and office 365 since Jaws 2020 came out and have never experienced any issues"

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

 

On Mar 13, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



Dan,

 

I understand your frustration, but it’s crucial to diagnose the problem correctly. JAWS cannot delete emails. What can happen, I suspect, is that sometimes when we make a mistake, JAWS doesn’t alert us in time for us to stop the harm. One evening last summer when I was really tired and distracted, I accidentally deleted 142 crucial messages. I tried every trick in the book to retrieve them, including some clever tips I found through Google. However, I know what I did wrong. Instead of using Outlook’s control-shift-v to move those messages elsewhere, a command I’ve used every day for years, I used control-x,  the traditional cut command used in conjunction with the control-c copy command. Somehow that keystroke, perhaps in combination with another keystroke right after, led to untraceable, permanent deletion.

 

I’m guessing a person with sight with see the consequences of such mistakes on the screen and be able to fix them. For instance, had I known the mistake I’d made, I would have immediately typed control-z to undo my last action. But by the time I realized what had happened, I was a step or two beyond any help the undo command could give me.

 

Unfortunately, mistakes aren’t always immediately obvious to those of us who must rely on our other senses. JAWS requires that we be seriously attentive.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 7:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook and JAWS

 

Hi,

  JAWS 2020 seems to have ongoing issues with Outlook.  Today I forwarded a message in Outlook and somehow JAWS managed to delete several e-mails.  The mail is gone from Outlook, Web Mail and is not in my trash or other folders.  I am using JAWS 2020, Outlook 365 , and Windows 10 home latest version.  Outlook behaves properly with sighted person and yet gets a bit sluggish with JAWS.  This latest bug reminds me again of how much I appreciate Narrator.  I truly believe JAWS has become so interested in new features that they are failing to catch bugs that are cropping up in programs that are critical to so many.

 

Dan   

 

Re: Outlook and JAWS

Norma A. Boge
 

Hi,

 

Empty trash upon exit is not enabled.

All deleted messages go into trash, not into deleted folders. Thank you, tech support.

I do not delete from trash unless I know exactly what message is being deleted. And, of course, I go through the trash to find disappeared messages.

 

I checked twice, I did not see focused inbox.

 

I came from Office 2010. Now that was a great suite. With the exception of an occasional hiccup, Outlook 2010 performed beautifully. I’ve regretted jumping to 365 every day I’ve had it.

 

I wish I had kept all my tech support messages. I know at least one repair has been done, and I think a reinstall, but I’m not sure about that.

 

I know everybody thinks this is my own fault. But, even if I somehow were deleting important messages, wouldn’t I be able to find them someplace on my PC?

 

For what it’s worth…

Norma

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

I agree, this makes actually no sense at all because Office 365 is simply a subscription service which allows you to download and install the Office suite on a number of computers and, in addition, you also get 1 Tb of OneDrive storage, 60 monthly Skype minutes etc. But after you install Office you simply have the latest version of Outlook, Excel, Word and so on installed, Office 365 itself has nothing at all to do with emails disappearing from Outlook.

I wonder if Norma has Focused Inbox available in her View settings and if it is checked which would cause some messages not to be displayed unless you chose to see them.

To check press Alt + V for the view menu, down arrow once and then tab 5 times (at least that gets me to the focused Inbox), if you don’t see Focused Inbox then don’t worry about it.

What email service and protocol do you use, Norma?

I have been an Office 365 Small Business subscriber for at least 6 or maybe even more years and I never had an email disappear which I didn’t delete. And even if I deleted some, I can go to Deleted Items, press Shift + Tab once to “Restore deleted messages” and go through at least a month worth of deleted messages which I can restore at will. I think, however, that this feature may be limited to Exchange accounts which is what I use for my business and to Outlook.com accounts which is what I use privately.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

Have you exited outlook before checking the trash for the deleted message?

 

If so, then the empty trash on exit is enabled.

 

If not, I would also check the archive settings if Microsoft didn’t already do that.

 

That is very strange.

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Norma A. Boge
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

I’ve had messages disappear from Outlook 365 ever since I started using it. I’m not permanently deleting them, because I didn’t even know that keystroke until this thread. I’ve had tech support tell me they’re going to get my deleted messages back but they don’t. I’ve looked in trash and used Search Everything and Recuva and have not found the messages I need to get back. Some are personal in nature, some are software registration codes and receipts, etc. For me, Outlook 365 is so unreliable that I use Thunderbird for my small business. And, another thing about tech support, they seem to do more harm than good when I’ve tried to have them resolve an issue with this Outlook. I have a copy of Office 2016 and I’m this close to jumping off 365 and installing 2016. Thanks for letting me vent, Norma

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

Yes, I think it’s inadvisable to have messages automatically deleted from trash.

The command to delete a message permanently is shift-del. Again, for most of us, inadvisable.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 11:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

Also, aside from the fact that Jaws doesn't delete emails, there is a setting in Outlook to empty the trash/deleted folder upon exit; something I used to have checked, until I wanted to find an email I had deleted.

I now leave that unchecked so I have to manually remove them from the trash.

That is, of course, unless I use a command that causes immediate, permanent deletion, which I think is control-d.

I've used Jaws 2020 with Windows 10 and office 365 since Jaws 2020 came out and have never experienced any issues"

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

 

On Mar 13, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



Dan,

 

I understand your frustration, but it’s crucial to diagnose the problem correctly. JAWS cannot delete emails. What can happen, I suspect, is that sometimes when we make a mistake, JAWS doesn’t alert us in time for us to stop the harm. One evening last summer when I was really tired and distracted, I accidentally deleted 142 crucial messages. I tried every trick in the book to retrieve them, including some clever tips I found through Google. However, I know what I did wrong. Instead of using Outlook’s control-shift-v to move those messages elsewhere, a command I’ve used every day for years, I used control-x,  the traditional cut command used in conjunction with the control-c copy command. Somehow that keystroke, perhaps in combination with another keystroke right after, led to untraceable, permanent deletion.

 

I’m guessing a person with sight with see the consequences of such mistakes on the screen and be able to fix them. For instance, had I known the mistake I’d made, I would have immediately typed control-z to undo my last action. But by the time I realized what had happened, I was a step or two beyond any help the undo command could give me.

 

Unfortunately, mistakes aren’t always immediately obvious to those of us who must rely on our other senses. JAWS requires that we be seriously attentive.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 7:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook and JAWS

 

Hi,

  JAWS 2020 seems to have ongoing issues with Outlook.  Today I forwarded a message in Outlook and somehow JAWS managed to delete several e-mails.  The mail is gone from Outlook, Web Mail and is not in my trash or other folders.  I am using JAWS 2020, Outlook 365 , and Windows 10 home latest version.  Outlook behaves properly with sighted person and yet gets a bit sluggish with JAWS.  This latest bug reminds me again of how much I appreciate Narrator.  I truly believe JAWS has become so interested in new features that they are failing to catch bugs that are cropping up in programs that are critical to so many.

 

Dan   

 

Re: tax programs.

netbat66
 

not so in california.
i have had to show my cards to the preparers here for the last 3 years.
but the center closed because of the corola virus. so now i don't have any place to go in person that won't break the bank. grin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Ford
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: tax programs.

You do not need that for preparation online. Having your taxes done in person by a professional is not necessary unless you have some complicated tax issues to deal with.

Tim Ford



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: tax programs.

california requires a photo i d and social security card before they will do
my taxes in person. how would this work on line?

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Ford
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 12:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: tax programs.

I recommend Free Tax USA as a very JAWS friendly web site for tax
preparation. It is at www.freetaxusa.com

Once you get the hang of the page layout, it is very quick. I have used it
for several years now. It is free to you below a given income. At most, I
paid something like $17.95 for the full package with both federal and state
electronic filing and refund being a direct deposit.

Tim Ford


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 12:46 PM
To: jaws main
Subject: tax programs.

hi all,
has anyone been able to complete there tax return with turbo tax or hr
block?
either the software or on line?
are they accessible?
i had a appointment for march 31 but the center shut down until further
notice
because of the corona virus threat.

Re: tax programs.

Tim Ford
 

You do not need that for preparation online. Having your taxes done in person by a professional is not necessary unless you have some complicated tax issues to deal with.

Tim Ford

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: tax programs.

california requires a photo i d and social security card before they will do
my taxes in person. how would this work on line?

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Ford
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 12:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: tax programs.

I recommend Free Tax USA as a very JAWS friendly web site for tax
preparation. It is at www.freetaxusa.com

Once you get the hang of the page layout, it is very quick. I have used it
for several years now. It is free to you below a given income. At most, I
paid something like $17.95 for the full package with both federal and state
electronic filing and refund being a direct deposit.

Tim Ford


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 12:46 PM
To: jaws main
Subject: tax programs.

hi all,
has anyone been able to complete there tax return with turbo tax or hr
block?
either the software or on line?
are they accessible?
i had a appointment for march 31 but the center shut down until further
notice
because of the corona virus threat.

Re: tax programs.

netbat66
 

california requires a photo i d and social security card before they will do my taxes in person. how would this work on line?

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Ford
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 12:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: tax programs.

I recommend Free Tax USA as a very JAWS friendly web site for tax
preparation. It is at www.freetaxusa.com

Once you get the hang of the page layout, it is very quick. I have used it
for several years now. It is free to you below a given income. At most, I
paid something like $17.95 for the full package with both federal and state
electronic filing and refund being a direct deposit.

Tim Ford


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 12:46 PM
To: jaws main
Subject: tax programs.

hi all,
has anyone been able to complete there tax return with turbo tax or hr
block?
either the software or on line?
are they accessible?
i had a appointment for march 31 but the center shut down until further
notice
because of the corona virus threat.

Re: tax programs.

Tim Ford
 

I recommend Free Tax USA as a very JAWS friendly web site for tax
preparation. It is at www.freetaxusa.com

Once you get the hang of the page layout, it is very quick. I have used it
for several years now. It is free to you below a given income. At most, I
paid something like $17.95 for the full package with both federal and state
electronic filing and refund being a direct deposit.

Tim Ford

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 12:46 PM
To: jaws main
Subject: tax programs.

hi all,
has anyone been able to complete there tax return with turbo tax or hr
block?
either the software or on line?
are they accessible?
i had a appointment for march 31 but the center shut down until further
notice
because of the corona virus threat.

tax programs.

netbat66
 

hi all,
has anyone been able to complete there tax return with turbo tax or hr block? either the software or on line?
are they accessible?
i had a appointment for march 31 but the center shut down until further notice because of the corona virus threat.

Jaws and Orbit Reader 20

Richard Turner
 

I had not tried to input braille with the Orbit Reader 20 and Jaws until now, and no characters are being entered in MS Word.

I have the Jaws setting to do both input and output of UEB Contracted. 

Is there another setting I need to set to allow braille input.

I am going to post this same question to the Orbit Reader list.

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

Re: Outlook and JAWS

Ann Byrne
 

Another thing to remember is that JAWS sometimes reports email subjects incorrectly. If JAWS reports two emails with the same subject/sender, sometimes one of them actually has a different subject/sender but JAWS has reported it incorrectly. When I hear two items--email messages or documents--with the same title, I use insert-esc to redraw the page and make sure I have the correct information. Otherwise, it is possible to delete a message reported as one thing and actually another.

Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

I agree, this makes actually no sense at all because Office 365 is simply a subscription service which allows you to download and install the Office suite on a number of computers and, in addition, you also get 1 Tb of OneDrive storage, 60 monthly Skype minutes etc. But after you install Office you simply have the latest version of Outlook, Excel, Word and so on installed, Office 365 itself has nothing at all to do with emails disappearing from Outlook.

I wonder if Norma has Focused Inbox available in her View settings and if it is checked which would cause some messages not to be displayed unless you chose to see them.

To check press Alt + V for the view menu, down arrow once and then tab 5 times (at least that gets me to the focused Inbox), if you don’t see Focused Inbox then don’t worry about it.

What email service and protocol do you use, Norma?

I have been an Office 365 Small Business subscriber for at least 6 or maybe even more years and I never had an email disappear which I didn’t delete. And even if I deleted some, I can go to Deleted Items, press Shift + Tab once to “Restore deleted messages” and go through at least a month worth of deleted messages which I can restore at will. I think, however, that this feature may be limited to Exchange accounts which is what I use for my business and to Outlook.com accounts which is what I use privately.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

Have you exited outlook before checking the trash for the deleted message?

 

If so, then the empty trash on exit is enabled.

 

If not, I would also check the archive settings if Microsoft didn’t already do that.

 

That is very strange.

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Norma A. Boge
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

I’ve had messages disappear from Outlook 365 ever since I started using it. I’m not permanently deleting them, because I didn’t even know that keystroke until this thread. I’ve had tech support tell me they’re going to get my deleted messages back but they don’t. I’ve looked in trash and used Search Everything and Recuva and have not found the messages I need to get back. Some are personal in nature, some are software registration codes and receipts, etc. For me, Outlook 365 is so unreliable that I use Thunderbird for my small business. And, another thing about tech support, they seem to do more harm than good when I’ve tried to have them resolve an issue with this Outlook. I have a copy of Office 2016 and I’m this close to jumping off 365 and installing 2016. Thanks for letting me vent, Norma

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

Yes, I think it’s inadvisable to have messages automatically deleted from trash.

The command to delete a message permanently is shift-del. Again, for most of us, inadvisable.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 11:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

Also, aside from the fact that Jaws doesn't delete emails, there is a setting in Outlook to empty the trash/deleted folder upon exit; something I used to have checked, until I wanted to find an email I had deleted.

I now leave that unchecked so I have to manually remove them from the trash.

That is, of course, unless I use a command that causes immediate, permanent deletion, which I think is control-d.

I've used Jaws 2020 with Windows 10 and office 365 since Jaws 2020 came out and have never experienced any issues"

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

 

On Mar 13, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



Dan,

 

I understand your frustration, but it’s crucial to diagnose the problem correctly. JAWS cannot delete emails. What can happen, I suspect, is that sometimes when we make a mistake, JAWS doesn’t alert us in time for us to stop the harm. One evening last summer when I was really tired and distracted, I accidentally deleted 142 crucial messages. I tried every trick in the book to retrieve them, including some clever tips I found through Google. However, I know what I did wrong. Instead of using Outlook’s control-shift-v to move those messages elsewhere, a command I’ve used every day for years, I used control-x,  the traditional cut command used in conjunction with the control-c copy command. Somehow that keystroke, perhaps in combination with another keystroke right after, led to untraceable, permanent deletion.

 

I’m guessing a person with sight with see the consequences of such mistakes on the screen and be able to fix them. For instance, had I known the mistake I’d made, I would have immediately typed control-z to undo my last action. But by the time I realized what had happened, I was a step or two beyond any help the undo command could give me.

 

Unfortunately, mistakes aren’t always immediately obvious to those of us who must rely on our other senses. JAWS requires that we be seriously attentive.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 7:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook and JAWS

 

Hi,

  JAWS 2020 seems to have ongoing issues with Outlook.  Today I forwarded a message in Outlook and somehow JAWS managed to delete several e-mails.  The mail is gone from Outlook, Web Mail and is not in my trash or other folders.  I am using JAWS 2020, Outlook 365 , and Windows 10 home latest version.  Outlook behaves properly with sighted person and yet gets a bit sluggish with JAWS.  This latest bug reminds me again of how much I appreciate Narrator.  I truly believe JAWS has become so interested in new features that they are failing to catch bugs that are cropping up in programs that are critical to so many.

 

Dan   

 

Re: Outlook and JAWS

Richard Turner
 

Have you exited outlook before checking the trash for the deleted message?

 

If so, then the empty trash on exit is enabled.

 

If not, I would also check the archive settings if Microsoft didn’t already do that.

 

That is very strange.

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Norma A. Boge
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

I’ve had messages disappear from Outlook 365 ever since I started using it. I’m not permanently deleting them, because I didn’t even know that keystroke until this thread. I’ve had tech support tell me they’re going to get my deleted messages back but they don’t. I’ve looked in trash and used Search Everything and Recuva and have not found the messages I need to get back. Some are personal in nature, some are software registration codes and receipts, etc. For me, Outlook 365 is so unreliable that I use Thunderbird for my small business. And, another thing about tech support, they seem to do more harm than good when I’ve tried to have them resolve an issue with this Outlook. I have a copy of Office 2016 and I’m this close to jumping off 365 and installing 2016. Thanks for letting me vent, Norma

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

Yes, I think it’s inadvisable to have messages automatically deleted from trash.

The command to delete a message permanently is shift-del. Again, for most of us, inadvisable.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 11:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

Also, aside from the fact that Jaws doesn't delete emails, there is a setting in Outlook to empty the trash/deleted folder upon exit; something I used to have checked, until I wanted to find an email I had deleted.

I now leave that unchecked so I have to manually remove them from the trash.

That is, of course, unless I use a command that causes immediate, permanent deletion, which I think is control-d.

I've used Jaws 2020 with Windows 10 and office 365 since Jaws 2020 came out and have never experienced any issues"

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

 

On Mar 13, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



Dan,

 

I understand your frustration, but it’s crucial to diagnose the problem correctly. JAWS cannot delete emails. What can happen, I suspect, is that sometimes when we make a mistake, JAWS doesn’t alert us in time for us to stop the harm. One evening last summer when I was really tired and distracted, I accidentally deleted 142 crucial messages. I tried every trick in the book to retrieve them, including some clever tips I found through Google. However, I know what I did wrong. Instead of using Outlook’s control-shift-v to move those messages elsewhere, a command I’ve used every day for years, I used control-x,  the traditional cut command used in conjunction with the control-c copy command. Somehow that keystroke, perhaps in combination with another keystroke right after, led to untraceable, permanent deletion.

 

I’m guessing a person with sight with see the consequences of such mistakes on the screen and be able to fix them. For instance, had I known the mistake I’d made, I would have immediately typed control-z to undo my last action. But by the time I realized what had happened, I was a step or two beyond any help the undo command could give me.

 

Unfortunately, mistakes aren’t always immediately obvious to those of us who must rely on our other senses. JAWS requires that we be seriously attentive.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 7:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook and JAWS

 

Hi,

  JAWS 2020 seems to have ongoing issues with Outlook.  Today I forwarded a message in Outlook and somehow JAWS managed to delete several e-mails.  The mail is gone from Outlook, Web Mail and is not in my trash or other folders.  I am using JAWS 2020, Outlook 365 , and Windows 10 home latest version.  Outlook behaves properly with sighted person and yet gets a bit sluggish with JAWS.  This latest bug reminds me again of how much I appreciate Narrator.  I truly believe JAWS has become so interested in new features that they are failing to catch bugs that are cropping up in programs that are critical to so many.

 

Dan   

 

Re: Outlook and JAWS

Norma A. Boge
 

I’ve had messages disappear from Outlook 365 ever since I started using it. I’m not permanently deleting them, because I didn’t even know that keystroke until this thread. I’ve had tech support tell me they’re going to get my deleted messages back but they don’t. I’ve looked in trash and used Search Everything and Recuva and have not found the messages I need to get back. Some are personal in nature, some are software registration codes and receipts, etc. For me, Outlook 365 is so unreliable that I use Thunderbird for my small business. And, another thing about tech support, they seem to do more harm than good when I’ve tried to have them resolve an issue with this Outlook. I have a copy of Office 2016 and I’m this close to jumping off 365 and installing 2016. Thanks for letting me vent, Norma

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

Yes, I think it’s inadvisable to have messages automatically deleted from trash.

The command to delete a message permanently is shift-del. Again, for most of us, inadvisable.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 11:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

Also, aside from the fact that Jaws doesn't delete emails, there is a setting in Outlook to empty the trash/deleted folder upon exit; something I used to have checked, until I wanted to find an email I had deleted.

I now leave that unchecked so I have to manually remove them from the trash.

That is, of course, unless I use a command that causes immediate, permanent deletion, which I think is control-d.

I've used Jaws 2020 with Windows 10 and office 365 since Jaws 2020 came out and have never experienced any issues"

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

 

On Mar 13, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



Dan,

 

I understand your frustration, but it’s crucial to diagnose the problem correctly. JAWS cannot delete emails. What can happen, I suspect, is that sometimes when we make a mistake, JAWS doesn’t alert us in time for us to stop the harm. One evening last summer when I was really tired and distracted, I accidentally deleted 142 crucial messages. I tried every trick in the book to retrieve them, including some clever tips I found through Google. However, I know what I did wrong. Instead of using Outlook’s control-shift-v to move those messages elsewhere, a command I’ve used every day for years, I used control-x,  the traditional cut command used in conjunction with the control-c copy command. Somehow that keystroke, perhaps in combination with another keystroke right after, led to untraceable, permanent deletion.

 

I’m guessing a person with sight with see the consequences of such mistakes on the screen and be able to fix them. For instance, had I known the mistake I’d made, I would have immediately typed control-z to undo my last action. But by the time I realized what had happened, I was a step or two beyond any help the undo command could give me.

 

Unfortunately, mistakes aren’t always immediately obvious to those of us who must rely on our other senses. JAWS requires that we be seriously attentive.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 7:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook and JAWS

 

Hi,

  JAWS 2020 seems to have ongoing issues with Outlook.  Today I forwarded a message in Outlook and somehow JAWS managed to delete several e-mails.  The mail is gone from Outlook, Web Mail and is not in my trash or other folders.  I am using JAWS 2020, Outlook 365 , and Windows 10 home latest version.  Outlook behaves properly with sighted person and yet gets a bit sluggish with JAWS.  This latest bug reminds me again of how much I appreciate Narrator.  I truly believe JAWS has become so interested in new features that they are failing to catch bugs that are cropping up in programs that are critical to so many.

 

Dan   

 

Re: Outlook and JAWS

Adrian Spratt
 

Yes, I think it’s inadvisable to have messages automatically deleted from trash.

The command to delete a message permanently is shift-del. Again, for most of us, inadvisable.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 11:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JAWS

 

Also, aside from the fact that Jaws doesn't delete emails, there is a setting in Outlook to empty the trash/deleted folder upon exit; something I used to have checked, until I wanted to find an email I had deleted.

I now leave that unchecked so I have to manually remove them from the trash.

That is, of course, unless I use a command that causes immediate, permanent deletion, which I think is control-d.

I've used Jaws 2020 with Windows 10 and office 365 since Jaws 2020 came out and have never experienced any issues"

 



Richard

"There's a nap for that." 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 



On Mar 13, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



Dan,

 

I understand your frustration, but it’s crucial to diagnose the problem correctly. JAWS cannot delete emails. What can happen, I suspect, is that sometimes when we make a mistake, JAWS doesn’t alert us in time for us to stop the harm. One evening last summer when I was really tired and distracted, I accidentally deleted 142 crucial messages. I tried every trick in the book to retrieve them, including some clever tips I found through Google. However, I know what I did wrong. Instead of using Outlook’s control-shift-v to move those messages elsewhere, a command I’ve used every day for years, I used control-x,  the traditional cut command used in conjunction with the control-c copy command. Somehow that keystroke, perhaps in combination with another keystroke right after, led to untraceable, permanent deletion.

 

I’m guessing a person with sight with see the consequences of such mistakes on the screen and be able to fix them. For instance, had I known the mistake I’d made, I would have immediately typed control-z to undo my last action. But by the time I realized what had happened, I was a step or two beyond any help the undo command could give me.

 

Unfortunately, mistakes aren’t always immediately obvious to those of us who must rely on our other senses. JAWS requires that we be seriously attentive.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 7:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook and JAWS

 

Hi,

  JAWS 2020 seems to have ongoing issues with Outlook.  Today I forwarded a message in Outlook and somehow JAWS managed to delete several e-mails.  The mail is gone from Outlook, Web Mail and is not in my trash or other folders.  I am using JAWS 2020, Outlook 365 , and Windows 10 home latest version.  Outlook behaves properly with sighted person and yet gets a bit sluggish with JAWS.  This latest bug reminds me again of how much I appreciate Narrator.  I truly believe JAWS has become so interested in new features that they are failing to catch bugs that are cropping up in programs that are critical to so many.

 

Dan   

 

Re: Outlook and JAWS

Richard Turner
 

Also, aside from the fact that Jaws doesn't delete emails, there is a setting in Outlook to empty the trash/deleted folder upon exit; something I used to have checked, until I wanted to find an email I had deleted.
I now leave that unchecked so I have to manually remove them from the trash.
That is, of course, unless I use a command that causes immediate, permanent deletion, which I think is control-d.
I've used Jaws 2020 with Windows 10 and office 365 since Jaws 2020 came out and have never experienced any issues"



Richard
"There's a nap for that." 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com



On Mar 13, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



Dan,

 

I understand your frustration, but it’s crucial to diagnose the problem correctly. JAWS cannot delete emails. What can happen, I suspect, is that sometimes when we make a mistake, JAWS doesn’t alert us in time for us to stop the harm. One evening last summer when I was really tired and distracted, I accidentally deleted 142 crucial messages. I tried every trick in the book to retrieve them, including some clever tips I found through Google. However, I know what I did wrong. Instead of using Outlook’s control-shift-v to move those messages elsewhere, a command I’ve used every day for years, I used control-x,  the traditional cut command used in conjunction with the control-c copy command. Somehow that keystroke, perhaps in combination with another keystroke right after, led to untraceable, permanent deletion.

 

I’m guessing a person with sight with see the consequences of such mistakes on the screen and be able to fix them. For instance, had I known the mistake I’d made, I would have immediately typed control-z to undo my last action. But by the time I realized what had happened, I was a step or two beyond any help the undo command could give me.

 

Unfortunately, mistakes aren’t always immediately obvious to those of us who must rely on our other senses. JAWS requires that we be seriously attentive.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 7:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook and JAWS

 

Hi,

  JAWS 2020 seems to have ongoing issues with Outlook.  Today I forwarded a message in Outlook and somehow JAWS managed to delete several e-mails.  The mail is gone from Outlook, Web Mail and is not in my trash or other folders.  I am using JAWS 2020, Outlook 365 , and Windows 10 home latest version.  Outlook behaves properly with sighted person and yet gets a bit sluggish with JAWS.  This latest bug reminds me again of how much I appreciate Narrator.  I truly believe JAWS has become so interested in new features that they are failing to catch bugs that are cropping up in programs that are critical to so many.

 

Dan   

 

Re: Outlook 2016: Is it possible to remove items from the addresses autocompletion list?

 

What Chris wrote is accurate and it was mentioned in the Microsoft article I had posted that only items from the recents can actually be deleted.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2016: Is it possible to remove items from the addresses autocompletion list?

 

Chris,

           Then what I'd suggest is checking whether those things that are announced as "Other suggestion" might actually be in your Contacts/Address book.  Things that are resident there will never be easily purged from autocomplete unless they are first purged from contacts.

           This can be insanity making when, in cases like Gmail, they create a "behind the scenes" category of Contacts where anyone you've ever sent or received a message from that you didn't mark as spam gets added to the "All Contacts" category, which most people have no idea exists.  If this is being synced into Outlook (but not vice versa) things can get even more insane.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

Re: Outlook and JAWS

Adrian Spratt
 

Dan,

 

I understand your frustration, but it’s crucial to diagnose the problem correctly. JAWS cannot delete emails. What can happen, I suspect, is that sometimes when we make a mistake, JAWS doesn’t alert us in time for us to stop the harm. One evening last summer when I was really tired and distracted, I accidentally deleted 142 crucial messages. I tried every trick in the book to retrieve them, including some clever tips I found through Google. However, I know what I did wrong. Instead of using Outlook’s control-shift-v to move those messages elsewhere, a command I’ve used every day for years, I used control-x,  the traditional cut command used in conjunction with the control-c copy command. Somehow that keystroke, perhaps in combination with another keystroke right after, led to untraceable, permanent deletion.

 

I’m guessing a person with sight with see the consequences of such mistakes on the screen and be able to fix them. For instance, had I known the mistake I’d made, I would have immediately typed control-z to undo my last action. But by the time I realized what had happened, I was a step or two beyond any help the undo command could give me.

 

Unfortunately, mistakes aren’t always immediately obvious to those of us who must rely on our other senses. JAWS requires that we be seriously attentive.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 7:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook and JAWS

 

Hi,

  JAWS 2020 seems to have ongoing issues with Outlook.  Today I forwarded a message in Outlook and somehow JAWS managed to delete several e-mails.  The mail is gone from Outlook, Web Mail and is not in my trash or other folders.  I am using JAWS 2020, Outlook 365 , and Windows 10 home latest version.  Outlook behaves properly with sighted person and yet gets a bit sluggish with JAWS.  This latest bug reminds me again of how much I appreciate Narrator.  I truly believe JAWS has become so interested in new features that they are failing to catch bugs that are cropping up in programs that are critical to so many.

 

Dan