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Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi where can you get the beta from?

On 7/14/2020 4:52 PM, Brian Blair wrote:

Eric also suggested that if we don't want to wait till version 79 comes out at the end of the month that we could download version 79 beta. I did that and so far, so good. No crashes.


Brian

On 7/14/2020 12:38 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

It's up to 78.0.2, and it's real broke even on JAWS 2020. Doesn't work any better with NVDA or Narrator, so I'm not all-fired sure it's a JAWS problem.


On 7/14/2020 4:23 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

According to Eric Damery and Glen Gordon in today's NFB meeting on JAWS, Mozilla is aware of this issue which was caused inadvertently by them in the Firefox 78.x update and it should be fixed when version 79 is released on the 28th of this month.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Blair
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

I'm thinking 78.0.2 is crashing less than 78.0.1 but still definitely not good! I'm using Chrome a lot more now, or else using Firefox with NVDA. I tried Jaws 2019 and 2020 and they both crash often with latest Firefox.

On 7/12/2020 8:42 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

78.02 which is now the latest version, also crashes, I mostly use the new Chromium based Edge for the most part.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

It crashed occasionally before 78.0.1 but it was a tolerable level of wankiness. This update is definitely unveiling something nasty. Mozilla apparently had a twitter back and forth trying to reproduce this bug and it was a tricky one to both find and solve. I guess we wait for next update, which with FF…should be soon.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: July 12, 2020 4:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

For what it’s worth, I have JAWS 2020 and I have stopped using Firefox for the most part because it crashes frequently. I spoke with tech support at Freedom Scientific who told me they are well aware of it.

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 2:43 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

Hey folks. Yes, I know JAWS 2018 is behind the curve, now, and that an upgrade would be beneficial. However, I’m not in a position to upgrade at this time. At the risk of running a huge struggle to continue using outdated software, I would like to know if anybody has any ideas of configuration settings that might make Firefox less crashy using this screen-reader. I know its’ an issue between interaction with JAWS and firefox and, frankly, always has been since the advent of Quantum. I tested this with nVDA (2019.3 and 2020.1) and it’s a lot less crashy. In fact I have failed to make Firefox crash even once using this other screen-reader. I know some users of JAWS 2020 have reported crashes, too, but I’m unable to test that currently and at a guess, newer versions of JFW should probably work better as well as NVDA. Anyway, since I’m not looking to downgrade firefox and not quite ready to either upgrade or give up JFW for the web browsing experience, in part because it works so nicely with my Focus braille display, just wondering if there are any flags/options I can alter in about:preferences or about:config (firefox’s “hidden” advanced settings page containing literally thousands of configurable options) that might help me have a smoother experience. Right now, since FF updated to 78.0.1 a week or two ago, everything from wikipedia pages to my old wisp’s webmail is crashing tabs. This only happens when jFW is running.

 

NB: I’m aware of other browsers  and use them, so no need to suggest just switching browsers. Thanks!!

 

 

 

-- 
Casey

Re: Windows 10 question

Gary Ketler
 

I never received the 1909 updates. I guess I’m out of luck.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 3:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 question

 

There's nothing to check. Updates are no longer an option in Windows 10.

That is, you can't say you don't want them. The best you can cd is pause

them for seven days.

 

 

On 7/14/2020 4:23 PM, Madison Martin wrote:

> How do I check to see if automatic updates are inabled?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee

> Sent: July 14, 2020 3:21 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: Windows 10 question

> Hi,

> The fastest way to find out what Windows 10 release you are using is: Start

> menu, type "winver" (without quotes) and press Enter. Listen to the line that

> starts with "Version".

> As for automatic updates: yes, it is advised to keep this enabled. In the past,

> people gave conflicting advice in regards to keeping automatic updates on or

> off, mainly because of concern that you may find yourself upgraded to more

> recent Windows 10 release (termed "feature updates"). Times have changed since

> then - Microsoft will not install new Windows 10 feature updates (releases)

> unless your system (hardware and software) is deemed compatible with the new

> update.

> Although the following will not directly address automatic updates question

> posed, it provides a short overview on what is happening with feature updates

> (source: the Win10 forum I mentioned earlier):

> https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/message/45181?p=,,,100,0,0,0::Created,,featu

> re+updates,100,2,0,74554449

> Cheers,

> Joseph

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin

> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:11 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Windows 10 question

> Hi again all,

> Can someone please tell me how to find out what vertion of Windows 10 I'm

> running? Just curious to know that's all. Also, should I have automatic updates

> turned on? Thanks Madison

>

 

 

 

Re: Windows 10 question

Mario
 

what is the difference between feature updates and quality updates?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:@britechguy]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 5:37 PM
Subject: Windows 10 question
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 05:19 PM, Mario wrote:

isn't it a bit redundant?

At this point in time, and with the changes to how Feature Updates are
applied, the answer to that is, "Yes."

But, if one wishes to postpone other Windows Updates (and I think that
critical updates are never able to be delayed) one can use those
settings.  The Pause for 7 days is just the default pause.  It says
right beneath if you wish to have a longer period then use the advanced
features to set the time span (up to 35 days).

In advanced settings you also have the option to postpone Feature
Updates from even being presented for up to 1 year (365 days) and
quality updates from being downloaded and applied for up to a month (30
days).

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

/The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it./
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

moderated Re: duck duck go browser

Margaret Thomas
 

Mike and All:

It's been a long morning and I'm probably missing something obvious, but using the link in the post, I'm not finding a way of downloading DuckDuckGo as a browser on Windows 10 Pro with JAWS 2020.

Google Chrome is my default browser. Am I correct that if, I want to make Chrome more private, I should get the DuckDuckGo Chrome extension? And it's at the Chrome store? And I don't need an extension for DuckDuckGo as a browser?

Any help straightening me out will be greatly appreciated.

Margaret

On 6/24/2020 12:04 PM, Mike B wrote:
Here you go:
https://duckduckgo.com/install
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* kevin meyers <mailto:kman2020@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2020 6:06 AM
*Subject:* duck duck go browser
Hello, Is duck duck go only an extension to a browser? I wasn’t able to find the duck duck go browser that is just the browser. Cheers, Kevin

Re: Braille Display still on while the computer is off

Richard Turner
 

I think you lost some of your message, or I'm just too tired to understand what you are asking.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Jul 14, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:


forward to hear from you.
Best regards 
Michael Munn 

Braille Display still on while the computer is off

Michael Munn
 

forward to hear from you.
Best regards 
Michael Munn 

Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

Brian Blair <brianblair@...>
 

Eric also suggested that if we don't want to wait till version 79 comes out at the end of the month that we could download version 79 beta. I did that and so far, so good. No crashes.


Brian

On 7/14/2020 12:38 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

It's up to 78.0.2, and it's real broke even on JAWS 2020. Doesn't work any better with NVDA or Narrator, so I'm not all-fired sure it's a JAWS problem.


On 7/14/2020 4:23 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

According to Eric Damery and Glen Gordon in today's NFB meeting on JAWS, Mozilla is aware of this issue which was caused inadvertently by them in the Firefox 78.x update and it should be fixed when version 79 is released on the 28th of this month.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Blair
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

I'm thinking 78.0.2 is crashing less than 78.0.1 but still definitely not good! I'm using Chrome a lot more now, or else using Firefox with NVDA. I tried Jaws 2019 and 2020 and they both crash often with latest Firefox.

On 7/12/2020 8:42 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

78.02 which is now the latest version, also crashes, I mostly use the new Chromium based Edge for the most part.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

It crashed occasionally before 78.0.1 but it was a tolerable level of wankiness. This update is definitely unveiling something nasty. Mozilla apparently had a twitter back and forth trying to reproduce this bug and it was a tricky one to both find and solve. I guess we wait for next update, which with FF…should be soon.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: July 12, 2020 4:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

For what it’s worth, I have JAWS 2020 and I have stopped using Firefox for the most part because it crashes frequently. I spoke with tech support at Freedom Scientific who told me they are well aware of it.

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 2:43 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

Hey folks. Yes, I know JAWS 2018 is behind the curve, now, and that an upgrade would be beneficial. However, I’m not in a position to upgrade at this time. At the risk of running a huge struggle to continue using outdated software, I would like to know if anybody has any ideas of configuration settings that might make Firefox less crashy using this screen-reader. I know its’ an issue between interaction with JAWS and firefox and, frankly, always has been since the advent of Quantum. I tested this with nVDA (2019.3 and 2020.1) and it’s a lot less crashy. In fact I have failed to make Firefox crash even once using this other screen-reader. I know some users of JAWS 2020 have reported crashes, too, but I’m unable to test that currently and at a guess, newer versions of JFW should probably work better as well as NVDA. Anyway, since I’m not looking to downgrade firefox and not quite ready to either upgrade or give up JFW for the web browsing experience, in part because it works so nicely with my Focus braille display, just wondering if there are any flags/options I can alter in about:preferences or about:config (firefox’s “hidden” advanced settings page containing literally thousands of configurable options) that might help me have a smoother experience. Right now, since FF updated to 78.0.1 a week or two ago, everything from wikipedia pages to my old wisp’s webmail is crashing tabs. This only happens when jFW is running.

 

NB: I’m aware of other browsers  and use them, so no need to suggest just switching browsers. Thanks!!

 

 

 

Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

JM Casey
 

I’m not having the problems with nVDA though; that’s a strange thing because you aren’t the first person to say it’s also crashy with the other screen reader – but this is only happening with jFW on my end. My laptop only has nVDA and I’ts a much slower/less powerful system than the desktop, but new FF seems pretty stable there.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: July 14, 2020 4:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

It's up to 78.0.2, and it's real broke even on JAWS 2020. Doesn't work any better with NVDA or Narrator, so I'm not all-fired sure it's a JAWS problem.

 

On 7/14/2020 4:23 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

According to Eric Damery and Glen Gordon in today's NFB meeting on JAWS, Mozilla is aware of this issue which was caused inadvertently by them in the Firefox 78.x update and it should be fixed when version 79 is released on the 28th of this month.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Blair
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

I'm thinking 78.0.2 is crashing less than 78.0.1 but still definitely not good! I'm using Chrome a lot more now, or else using Firefox with NVDA. I tried Jaws 2019 and 2020 and they both crash often with latest Firefox.

On 7/12/2020 8:42 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

78.02 which is now the latest version, also crashes, I mostly use the new Chromium based Edge for the most part.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

It crashed occasionally before 78.0.1 but it was a tolerable level of wankiness. This update is definitely unveiling something nasty. Mozilla apparently had a twitter back and forth trying to reproduce this bug and it was a tricky one to both find and solve. I guess we wait for next update, which with FF…should be soon.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: July 12, 2020 4:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

For what it’s worth, I have JAWS 2020 and I have stopped using Firefox for the most part because it crashes frequently. I spoke with tech support at Freedom Scientific who told me they are well aware of it.

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 2:43 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

Hey folks. Yes, I know JAWS 2018 is behind the curve, now, and that an upgrade would be beneficial. However, I’m not in a position to upgrade at this time. At the risk of running a huge struggle to continue using outdated software, I would like to know if anybody has any ideas of configuration settings that might make Firefox less crashy using this screen-reader. I know its’ an issue between interaction with JAWS and firefox and, frankly, always has been since the advent of Quantum. I tested this with nVDA (2019.3 and 2020.1) and it’s a lot less crashy. In fact I have failed to make Firefox crash even once using this other screen-reader. I know some users of JAWS 2020 have reported crashes, too, but I’m unable to test that currently and at a guess, newer versions of JFW should probably work better as well as NVDA. Anyway, since I’m not looking to downgrade firefox and not quite ready to either upgrade or give up JFW for the web browsing experience, in part because it works so nicely with my Focus braille display, just wondering if there are any flags/options I can alter in about:preferences or about:config (firefox’s “hidden” advanced settings page containing literally thousands of configurable options) that might help me have a smoother experience. Right now, since FF updated to 78.0.1 a week or two ago, everything from wikipedia pages to my old wisp’s webmail is crashing tabs. This only happens when jFW is running.

 

NB: I’m aware of other browsers  and use them, so no need to suggest just switching browsers. Thanks!!

 

 

 

Re: JAWS and Zoom ... screen sharing

Ann Byrne
 

Sometimes when the screen is being shared, you can read it using picture smart, with the keystroke recommended for reading PowerPoint. When the meeting agenda was being shared this morning, I pressed insert+spacebar, then c, and was able to read the agenda line-by-line. There was extraneous stuff as well, but the agenda was clear.

Re: Windows 10 question

 

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 05:19 PM, Mario wrote:
isn't it a bit redundant?
At this point in time, and with the changes to how Feature Updates are applied, the answer to that is, "Yes."

But, if one wishes to postpone other Windows Updates (and I think that critical updates are never able to be delayed) one can use those settings.  The Pause for 7 days is just the default pause.  It says right beneath if you wish to have a longer period then use the advanced features to set the time span (up to 35 days).

In advanced settings you also have the option to postpone Feature Updates from even being presented for up to 1 year (365 days) and quality updates from being downloaded and applied for up to a month (30 days).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

Re: JAWS and Zoom

Richard Turner
 

According to the Zoom Help Center, alt+f2 is the keyboard command to switch to Gallery View in a video meeting.

 

Page up or down apparently shows the previous or next 25 videos in gallery view, or something like that.  Since I’m blind, I don’t bother with this.

 

You may need to reach out either to zoom support or FS.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Miller
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and Zoom

 

I did, but it didn’t work.

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Doering
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and Zoom

 

Try alt plus F2.

 

HTH,

 

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Miller
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and Zoom

 

Okay, but does anybody know how to get into the Gallery view?

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and Zoom

 

Hi. I can answer a couple of your questions.

First, you get to the participant list by pressing alt-U. You have to tab around until you get to the list of names; then you can arrow up and down. This is somewhat buggy. They claim they’re going to fix it so that every time you get into the participant list you’ll be put in the list of names by default, but they haven’t fixed it yet.

To chat with a participant, you have to open the chat panel. You do this by pressing alt-H. That opens the chat panel. You then tab around until you find the names of participants and press enter on the name of the person you want to chat with. By default it’s set to send a chat to everyone.

Hope this helps.

John Riehl

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Miller
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:19 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS and Zoom

 

Dear Listers:

 

I am taking part in a class at church via Zoom.  I know how to join a meeting and how to mute and unmute my microphone, but there are a few things I am having problems with.  First, when you join a meeting, how do you get to the Gallery view using JAWS?  Also, when I get to the list of participants JAWS won’t read the list whenever I arrow up and down.  Also, I know there is a spot where it says, “Find a participant.”  I assume you enter the person’s name and then the person’s name will show.  But if you want to send a message to that participant, how do you do it?  Whenever I find the “Find Participant,” link and enter the person’s name, when I tab again it just gives me the option to either clear the search or cancel.  So what does this mean?

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 

Re: Windows 10 question

Mario
 

oh, I see. thanks again.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Joseph Lee [mailto:@joslee]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 5:32 PM
Subject: Windows 10 question
Hi,
The "Pause updates for 7 days" button was added in consideration for Windows 10 Home users in Version 1903. Prior to Version 1903, Windows 10 Home users could not pause updates, but Windows 10 Pro and up can (the ability to pause updates was present since 2015, but it showed up on Settings in 2017). Also, whereas the button present in Windows Update main page will pause updates for seven days straight unless you choose to resume update checks, the one found in Advanced options will let you specify exactly when you wish to let Windows start checking for updates.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 2:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 question

but if you have Windows 10 Pro, updates can be delayed for longer than 7 days. but what I don't understand is why in the advanced settings there is also a Temporarily pause updates from being installed on this device for up to 35 days combo box.

isn't it a bit redundant? if not, what is the difference between the two settings?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Steve Matzura [mailto:number6@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 4:40 PM
Subject: Windows 10 question
There's nothing to check. Updates are no longer an option in Windows 10.
That is, you can't say you don't want them. The best you can cd is pause them for seven days.


On 7/14/2020 4:23 PM, Madison Martin wrote:
How do I check to see if automatic updates are inabled?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: July 14, 2020 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 question

Hi,
The fastest way to find out what Windows 10 release you are using is:
Start
menu, type "winver" (without quotes) and press Enter. Listen to the line that starts with "Version".
As for automatic updates: yes, it is advised to keep this enabled. In the past, people gave conflicting advice in regards to keeping automatic updates on or off, mainly because of concern that you may find yourself upgraded to more recent Windows 10 release (termed "feature updates"). Times have changed since then - Microsoft will not install new Windows 10 feature updates
(releases)
unless your system (hardware and software) is deemed compatible with the new update.
Although the following will not directly address automatic updates question posed, it provides a short overview on what is happening with feature updates
(source: the Win10 forum I mentioned earlier):
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/message/45181?p=,,,100,0,0,0::Created,,featu


re+updates,100,2,0,74554449
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Windows 10 question

Hi again all,
Can someone please tell me how to find out what vertion of Windows 10 I'm running? Just curious to know that's all. Also, should I have automatic updates turned on? Thanks Madison














.







.

Re: Windows 10 question

 

Hi,
The "Pause updates for 7 days" button was added in consideration for Windows 10 Home users in Version 1903. Prior to Version 1903, Windows 10 Home users could not pause updates, but Windows 10 Pro and up can (the ability to pause updates was present since 2015, but it showed up on Settings in 2017). Also, whereas the button present in Windows Update main page will pause updates for seven days straight unless you choose to resume update checks, the one found in Advanced options will let you specify exactly when you wish to let Windows start checking for updates.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 2:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 question

but if you have Windows 10 Pro, updates can be delayed for longer than 7 days. but what I don't understand is why in the advanced settings there is also a Temporarily pause updates from being installed on this device for up to 35 days combo box.

isn't it a bit redundant? if not, what is the difference between the two settings?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Steve Matzura [mailto:number6@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 4:40 PM
Subject: Windows 10 question
There's nothing to check. Updates are no longer an option in Windows 10.
That is, you can't say you don't want them. The best you can cd is pause them for seven days.


On 7/14/2020 4:23 PM, Madison Martin wrote:
How do I check to see if automatic updates are inabled?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: July 14, 2020 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 question

Hi,
The fastest way to find out what Windows 10 release you are using is:
Start
menu, type "winver" (without quotes) and press Enter. Listen to the line that starts with "Version".
As for automatic updates: yes, it is advised to keep this enabled. In the past, people gave conflicting advice in regards to keeping automatic updates on or off, mainly because of concern that you may find yourself upgraded to more recent Windows 10 release (termed "feature updates"). Times have changed since then - Microsoft will not install new Windows 10 feature updates
(releases)
unless your system (hardware and software) is deemed compatible with the new update.
Although the following will not directly address automatic updates question posed, it provides a short overview on what is happening with feature updates
(source: the Win10 forum I mentioned earlier):
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/message/45181?p=,,,100,0,0,0::Created,,featu


re+updates,100,2,0,74554449
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Windows 10 question

Hi again all,
Can someone please tell me how to find out what vertion of Windows 10 I'm running? Just curious to know that's all. Also, should I have automatic updates turned on? Thanks Madison














.

Re: Windows 10 question

Mario
 

but if you have Windows 10 Pro, updates can be delayed for longer than 7 days. but what I don't understand is why in the advanced settings there is also a Temporarily pause updates from being installed on this device for up to 35 days combo box.

isn't it a bit redundant? if not, what is the difference between the two settings?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Steve Matzura [mailto:number6@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 4:40 PM
Subject: Windows 10 question
There's nothing to check. Updates are no longer an option in Windows 10.
That is, you can't say you don't want them. The best you can cd is pause
them for seven days.


On 7/14/2020 4:23 PM, Madison Martin wrote:
How do I check to see if automatic updates are inabled?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: July 14, 2020 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 question

Hi,
The fastest way to find out what Windows 10 release you are using is:
Start
menu, type "winver" (without quotes) and press Enter. Listen to the
line that
starts with "Version".
As for automatic updates: yes, it is advised to keep this enabled. In
the past,
people gave conflicting advice in regards to keeping automatic updates
on or
off, mainly because of concern that you may find yourself upgraded to
more
recent Windows 10 release (termed "feature updates"). Times have
changed since
then - Microsoft will not install new Windows 10 feature updates
(releases)
unless your system (hardware and software) is deemed compatible with
the new
update.
Although the following will not directly address automatic updates
question
posed, it provides a short overview on what is happening with feature
updates
(source: the Win10 forum I mentioned earlier):
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/message/45181?p=,,,100,0,0,0::Created,,featu


re+updates,100,2,0,74554449
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Windows 10 question

Hi again all,
Can someone please tell me how to find out what vertion of Windows 10 I'm
running? Just curious to know that's all. Also, should I have
automatic updates
turned on? Thanks Madison














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Re: Sound Card Question Windows 10

Richard
 

Hi Randy,
In Windows, ever since I can remember, the last sound device plugged into
the computer becomes the default.
Typically this refers to USB devices,
When the last device is removed, the default sound device before that should
return to the default position.
Right now I can't tell you why Jaws is not co-operating.

HTH,
Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Meyer" <randymeyer@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: Sound Card Question Windows 10


Rick:

Yes, I have speakers into my sound blaster card and headphones into my on
board Realtek audio. Today, I plugged in my camera for a Zoom meeting.
Jaws stopped speaking through sound blaster and tried speaking through the
speaker built in to my camera. It was too quiet to hear, but fortunately,
narrator was loud enough to hear through the small camera speaker.

I had to go to windows 10 sound settings and switch the focus back to the
sound blaster card, and all audio came through fine.

I still have the sound blaster card checked in Jaws, which should mean that
all Jaws audio comes through it, even when a different audio output is
selected in windows 10 settings.

I would like to figure out how to make this work properly.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 8:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Sound Card Question Windows 10

Hi Randy,
Do you have a set of speakers plugged into each soundcard?

Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Meyer" <randymeyer@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 8:41 PM
Subject: Sound Card Question Windows 10


I am using latest Jaws 2020 and windows 10. I have my sound blaster card
selected in Jaws, but when I go to sound settings in windows and change to a
different sound card, I lose Jaws speech.



I thought if I specifically selected the sound blaster card in Jaws, and not
the windows default sound, Jaws would always speak through the sound blaster
card, regardless of selection in windows 10 sound settings.



I am trying to route Jaws to the sound blaster card and other sounds to the
built in realtek sound card.



Any thoughts would be appreciated.



Also, when I plug in any new sound output device, such as a camera, windows
10 makes this the active sound output device, effectively turning off Jaws
speech.



Randy Meyer

Re: Windows 10 question

Mario
 

Joseph, thank you for the information about the change in the updates issue. this is good to know.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Joseph Lee [mailto:@joslee]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 4:21 PM
Subject: Windows 10 question
Hi,
The fastest way to find out what Windows 10 release you are using is: Start
menu, type "winver" (without quotes) and press Enter. Listen to the line
that starts with "Version".
As for automatic updates: yes, it is advised to keep this enabled. In the
past, people gave conflicting advice in regards to keeping automatic updates
on or off, mainly because of concern that you may find yourself upgraded to
more recent Windows 10 release (termed "feature updates"). Times have
changed since then - Microsoft will not install new Windows 10 feature
updates (releases) unless your system (hardware and software) is deemed
compatible with the new update.
Although the following will not directly address automatic updates question
posed, it provides a short overview on what is happening with feature
updates (source: the Win10 forum I mentioned earlier):
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/message/45181?p=,,,100,0,0,0::Created,,featu
re+updates,100,2,0,74554449
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Windows 10 question

Hi again all,
Can someone please tell me how to find out what vertion of Windows 10 I'm
running? Just curious to know that's all. Also, should I have automatic
updates turned on? Thanks Madison







.

Re: Sound Card Question Windows 10

Mario
 

thanks.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Randy Meyer [mailto:randymeyer@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 4:35 PM
Subject: Sound Card Question Windows 10
Mario:

Audigy Fx from Creative Labs off of Amazon for around $40. It is an internal card. To install in windows 10 you need to download the appropriate software from Creative Labs, the cd in the box does not work for windows 10.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 2:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Sound Card Question Windows 10

hey Randy, if I may ask, can you tell me what SoundBlaster do you have?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Randy Meyer [mailto:randymeyer@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 2:29 PM
Subject: Sound Card Question Windows 10
Rick:

Yes, I have speakers into my sound blaster card and headphones into my on board Realtek audio. Today, I plugged in my camera for a Zoom meeting. Jaws stopped speaking through sound blaster and tried speaking through the speaker built in to my camera. It was too quiet to hear, but fortunately, narrator was loud enough to hear through the small camera speaker.

I had to go to windows 10 sound settings and switch the focus back to the sound blaster card, and all audio came through fine.

I still have the sound blaster card checked in Jaws, which should mean that all Jaws audio comes through it, even when a different audio output is selected in windows 10 settings.

I would like to figure out how to make this work properly.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 8:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Sound Card Question Windows 10

Hi Randy,
Do you have a set of speakers plugged into each soundcard?

Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Meyer" <randymeyer@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 8:41 PM
Subject: Sound Card Question Windows 10


I am using latest Jaws 2020 and windows 10. I have my sound blaster card selected in Jaws, but when I go to sound settings in windows and change to a different sound card, I lose Jaws speech.



I thought if I specifically selected the sound blaster card in Jaws, and not the windows default sound, Jaws would always speak through the sound blaster card, regardless of selection in windows 10 sound settings.



I am trying to route Jaws to the sound blaster card and other sounds to the built in realtek sound card.



Any thoughts would be appreciated.



Also, when I plug in any new sound output device, such as a camera, windows
10 makes this the active sound output device, effectively turning off Jaws speech.



Randy Meyer












.









.

Re: JAWS and Zoom

Rick Miller
 

I did, but it didn’t work.

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Doering
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and Zoom

 

Try alt plus F2.

 

HTH,

 

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Miller
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and Zoom

 

Okay, but does anybody know how to get into the Gallery view?

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and Zoom

 

Hi. I can answer a couple of your questions.

First, you get to the participant list by pressing alt-U. You have to tab around until you get to the list of names; then you can arrow up and down. This is somewhat buggy. They claim they’re going to fix it so that every time you get into the participant list you’ll be put in the list of names by default, but they haven’t fixed it yet.

To chat with a participant, you have to open the chat panel. You do this by pressing alt-H. That opens the chat panel. You then tab around until you find the names of participants and press enter on the name of the person you want to chat with. By default it’s set to send a chat to everyone.

Hope this helps.

John Riehl

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Miller
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:19 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS and Zoom

 

Dear Listers:

 

I am taking part in a class at church via Zoom.  I know how to join a meeting and how to mute and unmute my microphone, but there are a few things I am having problems with.  First, when you join a meeting, how do you get to the Gallery view using JAWS?  Also, when I get to the list of participants JAWS won’t read the list whenever I arrow up and down.  Also, I know there is a spot where it says, “Find a participant.”  I assume you enter the person’s name and then the person’s name will show.  But if you want to send a message to that participant, how do you do it?  Whenever I find the “Find Participant,” link and enter the person’s name, when I tab again it just gives me the option to either clear the search or cancel.  So what does this mean?

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 

Re: JAWS and Zoom

Rick Miller
 

I tried that too, but it didn't work.



Rick Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and Zoom

I read somewhere that ctrl+f2 would do it.
At 01:26 PM 7/14/2020, you wrote:
Okay, but does anybody know how to get into the Gallery view?



Rick Miller

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
JOHN RIEHL via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and Zoom

Hi. I can answer a couple of your questions.
First, you get to the participant list by pressing alt-U. You have
to tab around until you get to the list of names; then you can arrow
up and down. This is somewhat buggy. They claim they're going to fix
it so that every time you get into the participant list you'll be
put in the list of names by default, but they haven't fixed it yet.
To chat with a participant, you have to open the chat panel. You do
this by pressing alt-H. That opens the chat panel. You then tab
around until you find the names of participants and press enter on
the name of the person you want to chat with. By default it's set to
send a chat to everyone.
Hope this helps.
John Riehl


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Miller
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:19 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS and Zoom

Dear Listers:

I am taking part in a class at church via Zoom. I know how to join
a meeting and how to mute and unmute my microphone, but there are a
few things I am having problems with. First, when you join a
meeting, how do you get to the Gallery view using JAWS? Also, when
I get to the list of participants JAWS won't read the list whenever
I arrow up and down. Also, I know there is a spot where it says,
"Find a participant." I assume you enter the person's name and then
the person's name will show. But if you want to send a message to
that participant, how do you do it? Whenever I find the "Find
Participant," link and enter the person's name, when I tab again it
just gives me the option to either clear the search or cancel. So
what does this mean?



Rick Miller

Re: Windows 10 question

 

And one should:

1.  Never, ever think about turning off the Windows Update service.

2.  Realize, that with regard to Feature Updates which change the Version of Windows 10 that's running, they are not fully automatic in any meaningful sense anymore.  You will be presented with the option to Download and install in the Windows Update Pane of Update & Security Settings.  Unless you activate that link, the feature update will not apply.  (Or at least it will not apply while the version that's on your machine remains in support.  It's well-nigh impossible that one would not have triggered the download and install of the next feature update long before whatever one is using goes out of support 18 months after its introduction.)

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss