I thought K1000 shipped with software DecTalk? At least, that’s what it sounds like. I had it in the early 2000s and it was sure not Eloquence then.

I like Eloquence for every day use. The reason you can’t hear those high frequencies is – well, they’re not there. It’s an 11khz synth. It’s been around forever and comes from a time when that was pretty n ormal, and there hasn’t really been any need to change it. I have the IBM TTS for nVDA that sounds a lot like Eloquence, but withs ome small pronunciation differences and a little bit more frequency response.

Robin:

I don't like eloquence either.  The version that used to ship with k1000 was better, but the one with jaws sounds like audio above a certain frequency is completely missing.  I use Tom Premium High on Jaws and my phone both, it seems about the best, and since I can have it on both, things are usually mis-pronounced everywhere, which bothers me less.

I used to have a Dec express, I wish I could get that voice back, maybe without the problem of not being able to shut it up quickly, that might be the best of all worlds.

Chris,

It’s been a while, but, even on my iPhone, I think there is more inflection in the full or enhanced versions.  I was a Window Eyes user with Dec Talk for many years, so I don’t mind the robotic sounds of Eloquence, but there is something to the about the voices that I find hard or fuzzy to my hearing, not the diction, but the audio quality.  I like the sound clarity in Vocalizer Nathan the most, despite some of its pronunciation quirks. I like that the Compact voices are less emotive and more steady.  I’m also not one who listens to speech super-fast, so that isn’t a concern to me. I’m faster than the default for sure, but not the rocket speed I hear others use. I’m not diagnosed as hearing impaired, but have some sort of issues with my hearing of certain frequencies or tones.  I also like Microsoft Mobile Mike for clarity.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 5:46 PM
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Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

 

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Hello.

 

Yes, synthesizers try to guess context, if they just pronounced words, they wouldn't work near as well.  It becomes obvious when they guess wrong.  May I ask why you are using the compact version of the voice?  These are always inferior to the real versions, and most hardware won't have trouble with the full one.

 

 

On 2/1/2021 17:22, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

I’m using Vocalizer Nathan Compact with JAWS 2021.  This is not the first case, but is striking today, so it prompted me to pose the question.  I was reading through an Excel file for work of incoming new hires.  I thought there was a typo, because the name of one of the colleges was mispronounced if I read the cell.  If I read word by word, it says the word fine.  I pasted the name into Word and the same thing occurs. Reading in any manner except word by word, causes Vocalizer to mispronounce it.  I’ve switched to Eloquence, Microsoft Mobile, and VoiceWare, all of which do not have this issue.  As I noted, this is not the first case.  Do other people notice similar issues with Vocalizer?  Is there a technical reason why a word would be pronounced differently in word by word versus line by line or say all? 

 

Here is the college.  The last word is the issue.  I have fixed it in my dictionary manager for now by adding a third s to the word.

College of the Holy Cross

 

I really love the sound  of Nathan’s compact voice, but am quite surprised by some of the strange pronunciations it has for common words.  Even the opposite of “Female” is totally off and is the first thing I adjust in a new dictionary file.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2021, Office 365.

Robin Van Lant

 

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I was trying to install version 1.2.5. I think the version you mention

below is a beta and I'd prefer not to use beta software. I only need the

basic functionality of mp3gain.

Also, no one has addressed my question about whether I need the updated

files in the full installation of mp3gain or if the version included in

Windows 10 will work. This is an important question to me because I

don't want to have to deal with trying to undo something I've done.

Thanks,

Jeff

On 2/1/2021 8:11 AM, David Griffith wrote:

> MP3Gain GUI Version 1.03.0004 is working fine here.

>

> What version are you trying to install?

>

> David G.

>

> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

> Windows 10

>

> *From: *Audiobookfan <mailto:listening4it@...>

> *Sent: *01 February 2021 08:52

> *To: *jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

> *Subject: *MP3gain installation

>

> I'm wanting to install mp3gain on my Windows 10 computer and I'm

>

> wondering if there are any issues/risks or gotchas that I should know

>

> about. I launched the installer and got a dialog that indicated that

>

> some necessary files might be missing or out of date. It did give me the

>

> option to install anyway. I'm thinking that I read something in the past

>

> about updating these files might mess up Jaws functionality, but I'm not

>

> sure about that. Can anyone confirm or deny this issue? Should I grab

>

> the full version of mp3gain or just go ahead and install the standard

>

> version? Will the standard version work with the files that come with

>

> Windows 10?

>

> Do I need to be cautious of the download from SourceForge? I also am

>

> concerned that some installers might be bundled with bloatware. Is this

>

> a concern I need to worry about? If so, can anyone point me to a clean

>

> version of mp3gain?

>

> Is there anything else I should be aware of before installing mp3gain?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jeff

>

>

Robin:

I don't like eloquence either.  The version that used to ship with k1000 was better, but the one with jaws sounds like audio above a certain frequency is completely missing.  I use Tom Premium High on Jaws and my phone both, it seems about the best, and since I can have it on both, things are usually mis-pronounced everywhere, which bothers me less.

I used to have a Dec express, I wish I could get that voice back, maybe without the problem of not being able to shut it up quickly, that might be the best of all worlds.

Chris,

It’s been a while, but, even on my iPhone, I think there is more inflection in the full or enhanced versions.  I was a Window Eyes user with Dec Talk for many years, so I don’t mind the robotic sounds of Eloquence, but there is something to the about the voices that I find hard or fuzzy to my hearing, not the diction, but the audio quality.  I like the sound clarity in Vocalizer Nathan the most, despite some of its pronunciation quirks. I like that the Compact voices are less emotive and more steady.  I’m also not one who listens to speech super-fast, so that isn’t a concern to me. I’m faster than the default for sure, but not the rocket speed I hear others use. I’m not diagnosed as hearing impaired, but have some sort of issues with my hearing of certain frequencies or tones.  I also like Microsoft Mobile Mike for clarity.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

 

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Hello.

 

Yes, synthesizers try to guess context, if they just pronounced words, they wouldn't work near as well.  It becomes obvious when they guess wrong.  May I ask why you are using the compact version of the voice?  These are always inferior to the real versions, and most hardware won't have trouble with the full one.

 

 

On 2/1/2021 17:22, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

I’m using Vocalizer Nathan Compact with JAWS 2021.  This is not the first case, but is striking today, so it prompted me to pose the question.  I was reading through an Excel file for work of incoming new hires.  I thought there was a typo, because the name of one of the colleges was mispronounced if I read the cell.  If I read word by word, it says the word fine.  I pasted the name into Word and the same thing occurs. Reading in any manner except word by word, causes Vocalizer to mispronounce it.  I’ve switched to Eloquence, Microsoft Mobile, and VoiceWare, all of which do not have this issue.  As I noted, this is not the first case.  Do other people notice similar issues with Vocalizer?  Is there a technical reason why a word would be pronounced differently in word by word versus line by line or say all? 

 

Here is the college.  The last word is the issue.  I have fixed it in my dictionary manager for now by adding a third s to the word.

College of the Holy Cross

 

I really love the sound  of Nathan’s compact voice, but am quite surprised by some of the strange pronunciations it has for common words.  Even the opposite of “Female” is totally off and is the first thing I adjust in a new dictionary file.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2021, Office 365.

Robin Van Lant

 

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Chris,

It’s been a while, but, even on my iPhone, I think there is more inflection in the full or enhanced versions.  I was a Window Eyes user with Dec Talk for many years, so I don’t mind the robotic sounds of Eloquence, but there is something to the about the voices that I find hard or fuzzy to my hearing, not the diction, but the audio quality.  I like the sound clarity in Vocalizer Nathan the most, despite some of its pronunciation quirks. I like that the Compact voices are less emotive and more steady.  I’m also not one who listens to speech super-fast, so that isn’t a concern to me. I’m faster than the default for sure, but not the rocket speed I hear others use. I’m not diagnosed as hearing impaired, but have some sort of issues with my hearing of certain frequencies or tones.  I also like Microsoft Mobile Mike for clarity.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

 

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Hello.

 

Yes, synthesizers try to guess context, if they just pronounced words, they wouldn't work near as well.  It becomes obvious when they guess wrong.  May I ask why you are using the compact version of the voice?  These are always inferior to the real versions, and most hardware won't have trouble with the full one.

 

 

On 2/1/2021 17:22, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

I’m using Vocalizer Nathan Compact with JAWS 2021.  This is not the first case, but is striking today, so it prompted me to pose the question.  I was reading through an Excel file for work of incoming new hires.  I thought there was a typo, because the name of one of the colleges was mispronounced if I read the cell.  If I read word by word, it says the word fine.  I pasted the name into Word and the same thing occurs. Reading in any manner except word by word, causes Vocalizer to mispronounce it.  I’ve switched to Eloquence, Microsoft Mobile, and VoiceWare, all of which do not have this issue.  As I noted, this is not the first case.  Do other people notice similar issues with Vocalizer?  Is there a technical reason why a word would be pronounced differently in word by word versus line by line or say all? 

 

Here is the college.  The last word is the issue.  I have fixed it in my dictionary manager for now by adding a third s to the word.

College of the Holy Cross

 

I really love the sound  of Nathan’s compact voice, but am quite surprised by some of the strange pronunciations it has for common words.  Even the opposite of “Female” is totally off and is the first thing I adjust in a new dictionary file.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2021, Office 365.

Robin Van Lant

 

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I always try to use JAWS with the full version of Outlook, and to configure it in a certain way (e.g. no preview pane). Is there an accepted optimal way to configure Outlook to work with JAWS? Or does anyone have any specific tips that make Outlook work well with JAWS?

Also, would anyone advise using the built-in Windows Mail client with JAWS? I have problems using tab and F6 to navigate through everything, but I'm wondering if I'm missing something.

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Hello.


Yes, synthesizers try to guess context, if they just pronounced words,
they wouldn't work near as well.  It becomes obvious when they guess
wrong.  May I ask why you are using the compact version of the voice?
These are always inferior to the real versions, and most hardware won't
have trouble with the full one.



On 2/1/2021 17:22, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

I’m using Vocalizer Nathan Compact with JAWS 2021.  This is not the
first case, but is striking today, so it prompted me to pose the
question.  I was reading through an Excel file for work of incoming
new hires.  I thought there was a typo, because the name of one of the
colleges was mispronounced if I read the cell.  If I read word by
word, it says the word fine.  I pasted the name into Word and the same
thing occurs. Reading in any manner except word by word, causes
Vocalizer to mispronounce it.  I’ve switched to Eloquence, Microsoft
Mobile, and VoiceWare, all of which do not have this issue.  As I
noted, this is not the first case. Do other people notice similar
issues with Vocalizer?  Is there a technical reason why a word would
be pronounced differently in word by word versus line by line or say all?

Here is the college.  The last word is the issue.  I have fixed it in
my dictionary manager for now by adding a third s to the word.

College of the Holy Cross

I really love the sound  of Nathan’s compact voice, but am quite
surprised by some of the strange pronunciations it has for common
words.  Even the opposite of “Female” is totally off and is the first
thing I adjust in a new dictionary file.

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2021, Office 365.

*Robin Van Lant*




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Hi,

I’m using Vocalizer Nathan Compact with JAWS 2021.  This is not the first case, but is striking today, so it prompted me to pose the question.  I was reading through an Excel file for work of incoming new hires.  I thought there was a typo, because the name of one of the colleges was mispronounced if I read the cell.  If I read word by word, it says the word fine.  I pasted the name into Word and the same thing occurs. Reading in any manner except word by word, causes Vocalizer to mispronounce it.  I’ve switched to Eloquence, Microsoft Mobile, and VoiceWare, all of which do not have this issue.  As I noted, this is not the first case.  Do other people notice similar issues with Vocalizer?  Is there a technical reason why a word would be pronounced differently in word by word versus line by line or say all? 

 

Here is the college.  The last word is the issue.  I have fixed it in my dictionary manager for now by adding a third s to the word.

College of the Holy Cross

 

I really love the sound  of Nathan’s compact voice, but am quite surprised by some of the strange pronunciations it has for common words.  Even the opposite of “Female” is totally off and is the first thing I adjust in a new dictionary file.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2021, Office 365.

Robin Van Lant

 

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MP3Gain GUI Version 1.03.0004 is working fine here.
What version are you trying to install?
David G.
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*Sent: *01 February 2021 08:52
*To: *jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
*Subject: *MP3gain installation
I'm wanting to install mp3gain on my Windows 10 computer and I'm
wondering if there are any issues/risks or gotchas that I should know
about. I launched the installer and got a dialog that indicated that
some necessary files might be missing or out of date. It did give me the
option to install anyway. I'm thinking that I read something in the past
about updating these files might mess up Jaws functionality, but I'm not
sure about that. Can anyone confirm or deny this issue? Should I grab
the full version of mp3gain or just go ahead and install the standard
version? Will the standard version work with the files that come with
Windows 10?
Do I need to be cautious of the download from SourceForge? I also am
concerned that some installers might be bundled with bloatware. Is this
a concern I need to worry about? If so, can anyone point me to a clean
version of mp3gain?
Is there anything else I should be aware of before installing mp3gain?
Thanks,
Jeff