Please, this is another topic.  I just want help with iCloud.

 

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From: Gerald Levy via groups.io

Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:57 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Using iCloud.com

 

 

And exactly which wonderful features of Window Eyes have been incorporated into JAWS?  For instance, Window Eyes allegedly had a feature that provided speech when booting into safe mode.  If this feature actually worked, which isdebatable, then why hasn't it been incorporated into JAWS? 

Gerald

On 9/10/2020 9:44 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

Actually, Freedom Scientific was after Window-eyes for years even filing a frivolous law suit over place markers.

Window-eyes merged with AI Squared, the makers of zoomText, and then The conglomerate that owned Freedom Scientific bought AI Squared and told the Window-eyes staff/AI Squared that they would continue to be developed as part of the umbrella group which became Vespiro.

It did not take long before instead of following through with that, they pulled the plug on Window-eyes. 

I know, personally, some of the people, and they ended up having to give some severance packages to people formerly of Window-Eyes/AI Squared.

They did dump their own Magic program in favor of ZoomText which is now part of the Fusion program.

I use Jaws because it is still better than NVDA or Narrator and because they killed Window-Eyes so I have little choice.

But, before I get kicked off this list for speaking the truth about the 800 pound gorilla in the room, I’ll shut up about this.

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 6:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using icloud.com

 

Sorry I saw the comment about Freedom Scientific pushing Windows-eyes out of the market.  But wanted to point out that Freedom and the vendor of Window-eyes murged. Which is kind of like saying Freedom purchased the Window-eyes vendor.  Anyways, its expensive to run 2 development groups and so after a year or so Freedom stop development on Window-eyes, but many of the ideas in Window-eyes are being incorporated into Jaws.

 

Not to mention a lot of the developers who use to work on Window-eyes are now working on Jaws.

 

Have a good day everyone.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 7:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using icloud.com

 

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Just because I was primarily a Window-Eyes user before this happened, the program name was Window-Eyes, which is the word Window then a hyphen and then the word Eyes.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 6:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using icloud.com

 

It has a lot to do with them wanting you to use their products on their platforms. It’s sad but it’s across-the-board kind of the same way that Freedom Scientific pushed window wise out of the market.

 

On Sep 9, 2020, at 11:47 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...> wrote:

Yes, but for us Windows users it is not much fun at all. I can't understand why Apple does such an awesome job on the iPhone has such a crappy job on iCloud and iTunes for windows…

Randy Barnett

On Sep 9, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Jim Weiss via groups.io <jimweiss72@...> wrote:

Yes, I use it all the time. I will say I am a Mac user, and I use Safari.

 

On Sep 9, 2020, at 3:15 PM, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:



Hello,

Has anyone used icloud.com? To me it doesn’t seem to friendly. I know it has pictures and videos from my IPhone. I just cannot access them.

Thanks,

Kevin

 

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Shirley,

  I use an Epson Perfection scanner but also have a Brother 4 in 1 printer  / scanner which Open Book recognizes and is able to use if needed.  The Brother is great on ink and has an on screen interface that is fairly accessible with JAWS.  Not the fastest printer or scanner though if you are looking for speed. 

Dan

Thanks for any help.

Shirley

Shirley Tracy

Greetings bill when I pressed the f 10 key and down arrowed to group by their was no none selection.

Hi, Jim. In case what Randy said wasn't specific enough,

1. Open Downloads folder.

2. Make sure nothing is selected in the folder by using CONTROL plus SPACE, until it says not selected.

3. Press Applications key or SHIFT plus F10, and arrow down to Group By submenu, and press ENTER.

4. Arrow down to NONE, and press ENTER.

5. Press SHIFT key plus six on the numbers row. Now your view will be in details view, and you won't see your files grouped by date.

Greetings updated my windows today and now when I enter on my downloads folder it says today yesterday etc howdo I change  this back to just the regular list.

Hi, Jim. In case what Randy said wasn't specific enough,

1. Open Downloads folder.

2. Make sure nothing is selected in the folder by using CONTROL plus SPACE, until it says not selected.

3. Press Applications key or SHIFT plus F10, and arrow down to Group By submenu, and press ENTER.

4. Arrow down to NONE, and press ENTER.

5. Press SHIFT key plus six on the numbers row. Now your view will be in details view, and you won't see your files grouped by date.

Greetings updated my windows today and now when I enter on my downloads folder it says today yesterday etc howdo I change  this back to just the regular list.

On 11 Sep 2020, at 3:34 am, Mark <mweiler@...> wrote:

insert + F1 describes the whole page. I'm hoping there's a way to describe the contents of a single region within the whole page.

Greetings updated my windows today and now when I enter on my downloads folder it says today yesterday etc howdo I change  this back to just the regular list.

On Sep 10, 2020, at 5:05 PM, Ron Kolesar <kolesar16417@...> wrote:

For those who are beta testers of JAWS and working with the designers of JAWS.

As A JAWS user, I Would like JAWS to work better with the new Microsoft Flight simulator 2020 and the add ons that a blind flight simmer pilot needs to work 

1. with FS 2020 and the add on programs that the sighted take for granted.

2. To keep FS 2020 as real as possible, but accessible for we who need to use our computer with a screen reader since we can’t see our monitors with our normal eyes.

We Blind flight simmer pilots also want to enjoy flying as much as the sighted can do via their vision.

We might have a ADA lawsuit, Because the Flight simulator 2020 project is all over the internet and face book since August 18th, 2020, but still isn’t accessible for we who need to see with our ears since our eyes don’t work.

The keep stating that their all kinds of accessibility, but there still isn’t any accessibility via voice input and or keyboard and or audio clue navigation so that we can use USB external USB joy sticks and or USB flight yokes and rutter peddles.

So, here’s hoping we can get the Microsoft flight simulator 2020 and the add on program to be more accessible for we who needs to see with our ears since our eyes don’t work.

Many Thanks.

Ron AKA The Blind Pilot, who knows if he were sighted, would have had a career in the air and hopes that he also would have made the right stuff to be able to fly in the sadly gutted out space shuttle program and to also have a tour of duty onboard the International Space Station.

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:31

To: Win10

Subject: [win10] JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New, #JAWS

 

Hi All,

 

Here's the J2021 Beta download link for both 32 & 64 bit systems, what's new in this release and a link to the FSCast that has demonstrations.

 

 

Download Link 32 & 64 Bit: 

 

https://jaws2021.vfo.digital/2021.2009.13.400/7B55F25C-8F3C-4D14-AB6F-7EEBF4ACAC57/J2021.2009.13.400-any.exe

 

• FSCast web page, provides demonstrations of the new and exciting features in the upcoming 2021 release.

 

https://blog.freedomscientific.com/archive-of-fsopenline-from-august-2020/

 

 

• New Features in 2021

 

New Features Added in JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion 2021
PictureSmart Improvements

 

Introduced in JAWS and Fusion 2019, Picture Smart allows you to choose a photo and submit it to be analyzed. A description of the image is then displayed
in the Results Viewer. To use Picture Smart, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, followed by P to activate the Picture Smart layer. You can then press A to describe
a photo acquired from the PEARL camera or a flatbed scanner, F to describe a selected image file in Windows Explorer, C to describe the current control,
or B to describe an image on the Windows Clipboard.

 

JAWS and Fusion 2021 continues to expand this feature by offering several improvements including:

 

list of 3 items
• Describing images on web pages: If focused on an image that is part of a web page, such as a photo on Facebook, pressing INSERT+SPACEBAR, P followed
by C now describes the photo.
• Submitting images to multiple services to help improve accuracy: By default, images are submitted to Microsoft for analyzing. However, the Results Viewer
now contains a More Results link which submits the image again to additional services for analyzing and displays an updated description. You can also add
SHIFT to a Picture Smart command to use multiple services. For example, INSERT+SPACEBAR, P followed by SHIFT+F, SHIFT+C, or SHIFT+B.
• Using Picture Smart in multiple languages: If you are using JAWS or Fusion in a language other than English and you attempt to use Picture Smart, JAWS
and Fusion will use machine translation to display descriptions in the particular language. You can also manually choose from 38 languages for displaying
results, configurable using the new Picture Smart Language option in Settings Center.
list end

 

Please note that these changes, especially the machine translation for other languages, is still experimental, so things may not always work as expected.
Results will improve as we continue refining this functionality.

 

For more information on Picture Smart, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, P followed by QUESTION MARK or refer to the Picture Smart topic in the JAWS help.

 

OCR Text Directly into a Word Document

 

The Convenient OCR (Optical Character Recognition) feature has been enhanced to support sending recognized text directly to Word. Convenient OCR enables
you to access images containing text that is part of the image and displays this information in the Results Viewer. This includes onscreen images such
as the graphical setup screen for an application, an inaccessible PDF opened in Adobe Reader, a currently selected image file in Windows Explorer, or a
document acquired by the PEARL camera or a flatbed scanner.

 

If Microsoft Office is installed on your system, you can now:

 

list of 2 items
• Use the new command INSERT+SPACEBAR, O followed by R to perform OCR on a selected image file in File Explorer or the Desktop and place the recognized
text directly into a Word document. You can also press the APPLICATIONS key and choose Convenient OCR to Word with JAWS or Fusion from the context menu.
• Use the new Open in Word link that appears at the top of the Results Viewer once the OCR process is complete.
list end

 

For more information about using Convenient OCR, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, O followed by QUESTION MARK or refer to the Convenient OCR topic in the JAWS help.

 

New Voice Assistant to Help with Various JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion Commands and Features

 

The new Voice Assistant provides a way to interact with JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion in Windows 10 using speech input. Supported languages include English,
Dutch, German, Spanish, and French. Ask it to help you out with various JAWS or ZoomText features using natural speech. This means that the same action
can be performed by more than one similar phrase instead of a single predefined voice command. For instance, to launch JAWS Settings Center, you could
say "Settings Center" or "change settings." Unlike keyboard shortcuts, which can be hard to remember, natural voice commands are an easier way to interact
with the JAWS or ZoomText software. Using voice input to control JAWS or ZoomText can also benefit users with certain conditions which prevent them from
using a keyboard effectively.

 

The JAWS Voice Assistant uses your computer's internal microphone or you can talk to it using an external microphone or headset. To tell the Voice Assistant
to begin listening for a specific command, there are three options:

 

list of 2 items
• Press the key combination, INSERT+ALT+SPACEBAR (CAPS LOCK+ALT+SPACEBAR for ZoomText and Fusion).
• Speak a specific wake word which alerts to software to begin listening for a voice command, similar to using an Alexa or Google Home device. The wake
word is "Sharky" for JAWS and "Zoomy" for ZoomText and Fusion. Speak this word followed by a specific JAWS or ZoomText command, such as, "Sharky, list
links," or "Zoomy, increase zoom level."
list end

 

Note: The wake word is not available if you are using a Bluetooth microphone. In this case, you must use the keystroke before speaking the voice command.

 

list of 1 items
• From the JAWS main window, press ALT+U to open the Utilities menu, expand the Voice Assistant submenu, and then select Talk to JAWS. From the ZoomText
or Fusion main window, select Talk to ZoomText.
list end

 

When the Voice Assistant starts listening for a voice command, a short audio indicator plays, and a visual indicator is displayed. After hearing a voice
command, a different audio indicator plays until the command is processed. After processing, the visual indicator is removed, a different, short, audio
indicator plays, and the desired JAWS or ZoomText action is performed.

 

If the Voice Assistant does not hear anything, the message, "Sorry, I didn’t hear anything" is spoken. If the Voice Assistant does not understand or if
the voice command is not supported, the message, "Sorry, I didn’t catch that" is spoken.

 

Note: Since all voice recognition processing is performed over the Internet using Microsoft Services in the cloud, there will be a slight delay depending
on your connection. Be patient and experiment with different commands. This is a new technology being added to our software products and will continue
to change and evolve over time. We welcome your suggestions and feedback.

 

To turn off the Voice Assistant or change other options, such as whether or not JAWS or ZoomText listens for the wake word or to turn off the sounds, do
one of the following:

 

list of 2 items
• For JAWS, open the JAWS Utilities menu, expand the Voice Assistant submenu, and then select Settings.
• For ZoomText or Fusion, select the Tools tab, press DOWN ARROW on the Voice Assistant drop down button, and select Settings.
list end

 

To learn more and to view a full list of voice commands for specific actions, say "Sharky, help," or "Zoomy, help." You can also select Getting Started
from the Voice Assistant menu.

 

Here are a few commands you can try to help you get started.

 

For JAWS (Remember to say "Sharky" or press INSERT+ALT+SPACEBAR before speaking each command):

 

list of 10 items
• Help
• Talk faster
• Talk slower
• Change settings
• Command search
• What time is it
• OCR PDF
• List links
• List headings
• List spelling errors
list end

 

For ZoomText or Fusion (Remember to say "Zoomy" or press CAPS LOCK+ALT+SPACEBAR before speaking each command):

 

list of 10 items
• Increase zoom level
• Zoom out
• Set zoom level to 5
• Where is my focus
• What time is it
• Activate speech
• Talk faster
• Open Reader app view
• Launch finder
• Change the color enhancement scheme
list end

 

Improved Microsoft Teams Support
list of 6 items
• If you press ENTER on a document in the Files list which opens the inaccessible document viewer, you can now press ESC to return to the files list. You
are also prompted to use the SHIFT+F10 context menu and open the document in the desktop application, which is the suggested method.
• You can now press ALT+1 through 5 to go directly to the first five tab pages.
• Pressing ALT+LEFT ARROW now automatically activates the back button from anywhere in Teams.
• You can now press ALT+H to hang up a call in progress.
• You can now press ALT+T to set focus to the Teams tree view, if visible. Note that it is usually only visible if CTRL+3 has been pressed to show the
teams and channels list. The screen should also be maximized to ensure this control is visible.
• Pressing ALT+R now raises or lowers your hand in a meeting.
list end

 

Teams also allows you to show meetings and calls in separate windows with fewer controls. To do this, press CTRL+COMMA to open Preferences and select the
check box labeled: "Turn on new meeting experience (New meetings and calls will open in separate windows. Requires restarting Teams.)" While JAWS specific
keystrokes for meetings and calls will not work in this split mode, Microsoft has their own set of keystrokes you can review by pressing CTRL+PERIOD.

 

New Keystroke for Changing the Punctuation Level

 

You can now press INSERT+SHIFT+2 on the number row to cycle through the four punctuation levels which controls how much punctuation JAWS and Fusion speak
while reading. The available levels are None, Some, Most, and All. Similar to toggling Screen Echo (INSERT+S) or Typing Echo (INSERT+2), the punctuation
level will revert back to the previous setting when JAWS or Fusion is restarted. To permanently set a punctuation level, use the JAWS Startup Wizard or
Settings Center.

 

Announce Most Recent Windows Notification

 

You can now perform the new layered command INSERT+SPACEBAR followed by N to have JAWS repeat the last notification that was spoken. Notifications include
an incoming Teams or Skype call, a recent Zoom message, a new email in Outlook, and more. If you use a Focus braille display, you can also press RIGHT
SHIFT+N (DOTS 1-3-4-5). To view and manage all your Windows notifications, use the Microsoft keystroke WINDOWS Key+A.

 

FS Support Tool for Gathering System Information

 

The FS Support Tool is a new utility that collects information about your computer and sends a report to our Technical Support and Software Development
teams to help us troubleshoot any issues you may be experiencing while running JAWS, ZoomText, or Fusion. You will typically be asked to run this utility
during a technical support session if it is determined that additional details about your system are needed. Some information that is collected includes:

 

list of 9 items
• System information such as processor, RAM, operating system, architecture, and more
• Event logs
• Version of Adobe Reader (if installed)
• Versions of all installed web browsers
• Information on installed Microsoft Office applications
• Crash dumps
• Installation logs
• Currently running system processes
• User settings
list end

 

The FS Support Tool can be started from the Help menu in JAWS, or the Support menu in ZoomText or Fusion and guides you through collecting and submitting
a report.

 

Announce Accessible Notification Events

 

By default, JAWS now automatically announces Windows generated accessible event notifications in both speech and braille. These types of notifications
are found in a variety of places including business bars in Microsoft Office. If you do not want to hear these announcements, open Settings Center and
clear the Enable Accessible Notification Events check box.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
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In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And 
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG

Greetings updated my windows today and now when I enter on my downloads folder it says today yesterday etc howdo I change  this back to just the regular list.

Virus-free. www.avg.com

Actually, Freedom Scientific was after Window-eyes for years even filing a frivolous law suit over place markers.

Window-eyes merged with AI Squared, the makers of zoomText, and then The conglomerate that owned Freedom Scientific bought AI Squared and told the Window-eyes staff/AI Squared that they would continue to be developed as part of the umbrella group which became Vespiro.

It did not take long before instead of following through with that, they pulled the plug on Window-eyes. 

I know, personally, some of the people, and they ended up having to give some severance packages to people formerly of Window-Eyes/AI Squared.

They did dump their own Magic program in favor of ZoomText which is now part of the Fusion program.

I use Jaws because it is still better than NVDA or Narrator and because they killed Window-Eyes so I have little choice.

But, before I get kicked off this list for speaking the truth about the 800 pound gorilla in the room, I’ll shut up about this.

Sorry I saw the comment about Freedom Scientific pushing Windows-eyes out of the market.  But wanted to point out that Freedom and the vendor of Window-eyes murged. Which is kind of like saying Freedom purchased the Window-eyes vendor.  Anyways, its expensive to run 2 development groups and so after a year or so Freedom stop development on Window-eyes, but many of the ideas in Window-eyes are being incorporated into Jaws.

Not to mention a lot of the developers who use to work on Window-eyes are now working on Jaws.

Have a good day everyone.

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Thanks for any help.

Shirley

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