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moderated Re: Jaws jumping by line of text on the web

Randy Barnett
 

Control and down arrow.

Randy Barnett

On Oct 16, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Jim <jimk8@frontier.com> wrote:

What is the Jaws hotkey to jump by line of text while on the net?
Thanks
Jim
--
Jim Elsner


moderated Re: Jaws jumping by line of text on the web

Glenn / Lenny
 

The real question is, why doesn't everyone know this?
And, if you don't know, try a key to see what it does.
Or, use insert + H on a web page to find out.
Come on people, think or experiment a little before asking the list.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Milton Ota" <mota1252@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws jumping by line of text on the web


Well, you could use the letter J and enter a line number ...

Other ways to jump around on a web page would be by headings using the
letter h or shift-h

The letter P to move by paragraph and Shift-P to go backward.

There are others so you need to be a little more specific.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 8:48 AM
To: Jaws help <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Jaws jumping by line of text on the web

What is the Jaws hotkey to jump by line of text while on the net?
Thanks
Jim
--
Jim Elsner


moderated Re: Jaws jumping by line of text on the web

Milton Ota
 

Well, you could use the letter J and enter a line number ...

Other ways to jump around on a web page would be by headings using the letter h or shift-h

The letter P to move by paragraph and Shift-P to go backward.

There are others so you need to be a little more specific.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 8:48 AM
To: Jaws help <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Jaws jumping by line of text on the web

What is the Jaws hotkey to jump by line of text while on the net?
Thanks
Jim
--
Jim Elsner


moderated Re: Jaws jumping by line of text on the web

Glenn / Lenny
 

What would you assign to it if you were assigning a quick key?
Yes, it is the letter J.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim" <jimk8@frontier.com>
To: "Jaws help" <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 8:48 AM
Subject: Jaws jumping by line of text on the web


What is the Jaws hotkey to jump by line of text while on the net?
Thanks
Jim
--
Jim Elsner


moderated Re: Jaws jumping by line of text on the web

Richard Turner
 

On the web, it is just the letter j.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 6:48 AM
To: Jaws help <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Jaws jumping by line of text on the web

What is the Jaws hotkey to jump by line of text while on the net?
Thanks
Jim
--
Jim Elsner


moderated Re: TCM and JAWS

Laura Shumate <larelishumate@...>
 

Hi I just recently started using Microsoft Edge. The reason why is
that I heard that Internet Explorer was going to be phasing out. When
I tried to use the Mobile Facebook website it didn't want to work and
kept putting me in MS Edge.
Laura Shumate
larelishumate@gmail.com
If you need Android or Jaws for windows Support: Call 254-300-7667



On 10/16/20, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@outlook.com> wrote:
I’ve not used Internet explorer for a long time. I got tired of the prompt
from websites that it was outdated and suggested to use Google or Firefox.
Edge is more like Google now so I use Edge primarily as my browser.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: October 15, 2020 9:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: TCM and JAWS

Bill, thanks for your response. I had been using Internet Explorer but with
your suggestion I tried Google Chrome. Like you, I’m using Windows 10 and
JAWS 2020. With Google Chrome I could read more of the website but must
admit had difficulty getting around the site and finding what I wanted.

I live in Canada but I may take you up on your offer and phone at a later
time.

Many thanks for your quick responses.

Don

From: Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: TCM and JAWS

Hi, Don. I just used Google Chrome, Windows 10, and JAWS 2020 to read the
TCM schedule, and it was accessible to me.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 6:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: TCM and JAWS

I’m wondering if anyone can offer suggestions. Last week TCM (Turner
Classic Movie) network changed their website. The daily movie schedule,
which used to be accessible with JAWS, now isn’t. I had a sighted friend
check and it’s on the screen. I tried copy and paste and then tried to
print but all that resulted was a huge sheaf of paper going through the
printer, evidently not detectable by my scanner!

TCM’s website is tcm.com.

This is hardly a significant issue but still I’d be glad of any help.

Don







--


moderated Jaws jumping by line of text on the web

Jim
 

What is the Jaws hotkey to jump by line of text while on the net?
Thanks
Jim
--
Jim Elsner


moderated Re: Using Cisco Packet Tracer with JAWS

Mario
 

being curious, I dug back and found the shortcuts. not only were there 5 but a whopping 59:

Cisco Packet Tracer version 5.2 includes keyboard shortcuts that make navigation and command activation more accessible. When Packet Tracer 5.2 is launched and the Tab key is pressed, components are selected in the following sequence:

1. The Select button

2. The top yellow tool bar

3. The workspace

4. The bottom yellow tool bar

5. The network component box (device types and device specific boxes)

Similarly when the device dialog is opened, a particular pattern is observed for Tab focus.

The following table lists all keyboard shortcuts available for Packet Tracer version 5.2:

Function: Keyboard Shortcut

New: Ctrl+N

Open: Ctrl+O

Open Samples: Ctrl+Shift+T

Save: Ctrl+S

Save As: Ctrl+Shift+S

Save As Pkz: Ctrl+Alt+Z

Print: Ctrl+P

Exit: Alt+F4

Copy: Ctrl+C

Paste: Ctrl+V

Undo: Ctrl+Z

Redo: Ctrl+Shift+Z

Preferences: Ctrl+R

User Profile: Ctrl+Shift+U

Algorithm Settings" Ctrl+Shift+M

Zoom In: Ctrl+I

Zoom Out: Ctrl+U

Zoom Reset: Ctrl+T

Main Toolbar: Ctrl+Shift+A

Right Toolbar: Ctrl+Shift+R

Bottom Toolbar: Ctrl+Shift+B

Palette Dialog: Ctrl+D

Custom Devices Dialog: Ctrl+E

Activity Wizard: Ctrl+W

Multiuser->Listen: Ctrl+Alt+L

Multiuser->Port Visibility: Ctrl+Alt+P

Multiuser->Options: Ctrl+Alt+Y

Multiuser->Save Offline Copy As: Ctrl+Alt+G

IPC->Config Apps: Ctrl+Shift+C

IPC->Show Active Apps: Ctrl+Shift+Q

IPC->Options: Ctrl+Shift+J

IPC->Log: Ctrl+Shift+K

Help->Contents: F1

Help->Tutorials: F11

Help->About: F12

[Root]: Ctrl+F5

New Cluster: Shift+U

Move Object: Shift+M

Set Tiled Background: Shift+I

Viewport: Shift+V

Select Mode: Esc

Move Layout Mode: M

Place Note Mode: N

Delete Mode: Delete

Inspect Mode: I

Resize Mode: Alt+R

Add Simple PDU: P

Add Complex PDU: C

Power Cycle Devices: Alt+S

Simulation Mode: Shift+S

Realtime Mode: Shift+R

Physical Workspace: Shift+P

Logical Workspace: Shift+L

Show Router Devices: Ctrl+Alt+R

Show Switch Devices: Ctrl+Alt+S

Show Hub Devices: Ctrl+Alt+U

Show Wireless Devices: Ctrl+Alt+W

Show Connections: Ctrl+Alt+C

Show End Devices: Ctrl+Alt+E

Show WAN Emulation: Ctrl+Alt+A

Show Custom Devices: Ctrl+Alt+T

Show Multiuser Connection: Ctrl+Alt+M

Add Device to Workspace: Ctrl+Alt+(# of device)

Scenario Description: Ctrl+Shift+I

New Scenario: Ctrl+Shift+N

Delete Scenario: Ctrl+Shift+D

Toggle PDU List Window: Ctrl+Shift+O

Navigation Panel: Shift+N

Create New City: Shift+C

Create New Building: Shift+B

Create New Closet: Shift+W

Show Grid: Shift+G

Working Closet: Shift+H

Show Rubber Rectangle on Device in Workspace: Ctrl+Spacebar

Move Rubber Rectangle: Arrow Key (right, left, up, down)

Select Device inside rubber rectangle: Spacebar

Show Device Dialog for selected device: Enter or return key

Move Selected Device: Ctrl-+Arrow Key (right, left, up, down)

Copy Text in CLI Console/Cmd Prompt: Ctrl-+Insert

Paste Text in CLI Console/Cmd Prompt: Shift-+Insert

Simulation Mode -> Back: Alt + B

Simulation Mode -> AutoCapture/Play: Alt + P

Simulation Mode -> Capture/Forward: Alt + C

Simulation Mode -> Show Event List: Alt + I

Scenario Description: Ctrl+Shift+I

New Scenario: Ctrl+Shift+N

Delete Scenario: Ctrl+Shift+D

Toggle PDU List Window: Ctrl+Shift+O

Navigation Panel: Shift+N

Create New City: Shift+C

Create New Building: Shift+B

Create New Closet: Shift+W

Show Grid: Shift+G

Working Closet: Shift+H

it would be wise to look up what are the current shortcuts as it relates to the latest version of Packet Tracer.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Friday, October 16, 2020, 10:55 AM
Subject: Using Cisco Packet Tracer with JAWS
when I tried to pursue an opportunity to learn this trade a decade ago,
I was told that all of the simulation software like Router Simm and
Packet Tracer renders drawings and scenarios in 3D, and the problem is
making it so JAWS or some other screen reader can interact with 3D like
a sighted user would. in terms of having a professional scripter for
JAWS write a script, it would be very difficult and complex, and by the
time the script has been completed and tested, there would be a very
slim chance that the script would work at all.

since then, I remember that Packet Tracer had employed 4 or so keyboard
shortcuts, but don't know if they were removed or still remain. this was
Cisco's solution for adding adaptive accessibility.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Callum Stoneman via groups.io
[mailto:callum.stoneman=icloud.com@groups.io]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Friday, October 16, 2020, 9:27 AM
Subject: Using Cisco Packet Tracer with JAWS
Hi all,
I have recently started a new job on an IT Networks team and am being
encouraged by my employer to take a Cisco CCNA qualification as it will
help massively with my future career in this field. I am interested in
doing this, but the problem is that much of the Cisco content relies
heavily on their Packet Tracer network simulation software.
When I first started at university around three years ago, our course
also used a lot of the CCNA content and we tried back then using Packet
Tracer with JAWS, but with no success. As soon as the program is
launched, JAWS says nothing. When pressing tab or the arrow keys,
nothing at all is spoken, not even "blank". Me and my tutors contacted
Cisco in the hope that they could help or recommend an alternative, but
they were less than helpful so we were left to find alternatives for
ourselves, which we did. I studied the CCNA content and got my degree,
but I'm not CCNA qualified on paper, plus the content changed at the
start of this year, so I am now studying it again for work.
Three years later, things are no better with the latest version of
Packet Tracer and JAWS 2020, and the alternative method I used at
university (using physical devices instead of virtual ones) is not
possible at work especially in the current situation. I have contacted
Cisco again and this time they seem a little more helpful. They claim
that they have tested Packet Tracer with JAWS 2020 and, in their words,
"it works, but with some gaps" and they seem completely stuck for
answers as to why it doesn't work with JAWS at all on my machine, but it
does for them. They of course tried blaming the user at first, "Is your
speech set to mute? Is your volume set to an audible level?" etc etc. It
would be wrong for me to say that I'm a JAWS expert, but I'm certainly
not a beginner. I have used JAWS for many years and am very familiar
with it, but nothing I try makes any improvement with Packet Tracer.
The person who I have been in touch with from Cisco's accessibility team
has now put me in touch with one of the Packet Tracer developers and I'm
currently trying to arrange a call with them in the hope that we can
figure this out, however I would like to know if I'm missing something
with this.
Has anyone else had experience with Packet Tracer? If you have got it to
work, any tips/workarounds would be hugely appreciated. Equally, if you
have tried it out recently and have found it to be inaccessible, I would
like to know so that I can provide as much detail as possible if/when I
speak to Cisco.
Many thanks in advance for any help and comments.
Callum







.


moderated Re: Using Cisco Packet Tracer with JAWS

Justin Williams
 

National industries for the blind is doing a sisco course.
They are starting with persons who are low vision, but plan to do course for persons who are Blind.

However, they might answer your questions.

Go onto their site and find Billy Parker.

You might be able to find him on google without traipsing through their site.

He might answer your questions, or some over there who is planning to teach the course.

Thanks,

Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 10:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Cisco Packet Tracer with JAWS

when I tried to pursue an opportunity to learn this trade a decade ago, I was told that all of the simulation software like Router Simm and Packet Tracer renders drawings and scenarios in 3D, and the problem is making it so JAWS or some other screen reader can interact with 3D like a sighted user would. in terms of having a professional scripter for JAWS write a script, it would be very difficult and complex, and by the time the script has been completed and tested, there would be a very slim chance that the script would work at all.

since then, I remember that Packet Tracer had employed 4 or so keyboard shortcuts, but don't know if they were removed or still remain. this was Cisco's solution for adding adaptive accessibility.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Callum Stoneman via groups.io
[mailto:callum.stoneman=icloud.com@groups.io]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Friday, October 16, 2020, 9:27 AM
Subject: Using Cisco Packet Tracer with JAWS Hi all, I have recently started a new job on an IT Networks team and am being encouraged by my employer to take a Cisco CCNA qualification as it will help massively with my future career in this field. I am interested in doing this, but the problem is that much of the Cisco content relies heavily on their Packet Tracer network simulation software.
When I first started at university around three years ago, our course also used a lot of the CCNA content and we tried back then using Packet Tracer with JAWS, but with no success. As soon as the program is launched, JAWS says nothing. When pressing tab or the arrow keys, nothing at all is spoken, not even "blank". Me and my tutors contacted Cisco in the hope that they could help or recommend an alternative, but they were less than helpful so we were left to find alternatives for ourselves, which we did. I studied the CCNA content and got my degree, but I'm not CCNA qualified on paper, plus the content changed at the start of this year, so I am now studying it again for work.
Three years later, things are no better with the latest version of Packet Tracer and JAWS 2020, and the alternative method I used at university (using physical devices instead of virtual ones) is not possible at work especially in the current situation. I have contacted Cisco again and this time they seem a little more helpful. They claim that they have tested Packet Tracer with JAWS 2020 and, in their words, "it works, but with some gaps" and they seem completely stuck for answers as to why it doesn't work with JAWS at all on my machine, but it does for them. They of course tried blaming the user at first, "Is your speech set to mute? Is your volume set to an audible level?" etc etc. It would be wrong for me to say that I'm a JAWS expert, but I'm certainly not a beginner. I have used JAWS for many years and am very familiar with it, but nothing I try makes any improvement with Packet Tracer.
The person who I have been in touch with from Cisco's accessibility team has now put me in touch with one of the Packet Tracer developers and I'm currently trying to arrange a call with them in the hope that we can figure this out, however I would like to know if I'm missing something with this.
Has anyone else had experience with Packet Tracer? If you have got it to work, any tips/workarounds would be hugely appreciated. Equally, if you have tried it out recently and have found it to be inaccessible, I would like to know so that I can provide as much detail as possible if/when I speak to Cisco.
Many thanks in advance for any help and comments.
Callum


moderated Re: Using Cisco Packet Tracer with JAWS

Mario
 

when I tried to pursue an opportunity to learn this trade a decade ago, I was told that all of the simulation software like Router Simm and Packet Tracer renders drawings and scenarios in 3D, and the problem is making it so JAWS or some other screen reader can interact with 3D like a sighted user would. in terms of having a professional scripter for JAWS write a script, it would be very difficult and complex, and by the time the script has been completed and tested, there would be a very slim chance that the script would work at all.

since then, I remember that Packet Tracer had employed 4 or so keyboard shortcuts, but don't know if they were removed or still remain. this was Cisco's solution for adding adaptive accessibility.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Callum Stoneman via groups.io [mailto:callum.stoneman=icloud.com@groups.io]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Friday, October 16, 2020, 9:27 AM
Subject: Using Cisco Packet Tracer with JAWS
Hi all,
I have recently started a new job on an IT Networks team and am being
encouraged by my employer to take a Cisco CCNA qualification as it will
help massively with my future career in this field. I am interested in
doing this, but the problem is that much of the Cisco content relies
heavily on their Packet Tracer network simulation software.
When I first started at university around three years ago, our course
also used a lot of the CCNA content and we tried back then using Packet
Tracer with JAWS, but with no success. As soon as the program is
launched, JAWS says nothing. When pressing tab or the arrow keys,
nothing at all is spoken, not even "blank". Me and my tutors contacted
Cisco in the hope that they could help or recommend an alternative, but
they were less than helpful so we were left to find alternatives for
ourselves, which we did. I studied the CCNA content and got my degree,
but I'm not CCNA qualified on paper, plus the content changed at the
start of this year, so I am now studying it again for work.
Three years later, things are no better with the latest version of
Packet Tracer and JAWS 2020, and the alternative method I used at
university (using physical devices instead of virtual ones) is not
possible at work especially in the current situation. I have contacted
Cisco again and this time they seem a little more helpful. They claim
that they have tested Packet Tracer with JAWS 2020 and, in their words,
"it works, but with some gaps" and they seem completely stuck for
answers as to why it doesn't work with JAWS at all on my machine, but it
does for them. They of course tried blaming the user at first, "Is your
speech set to mute? Is your volume set to an audible level?" etc etc. It
would be wrong for me to say that I'm a JAWS expert, but I'm certainly
not a beginner. I have used JAWS for many years and am very familiar
with it, but nothing I try makes any improvement with Packet Tracer.
The person who I have been in touch with from Cisco's accessibility team
has now put me in touch with one of the Packet Tracer developers and I'm
currently trying to arrange a call with them in the hope that we can
figure this out, however I would like to know if I'm missing something
with this.
Has anyone else had experience with Packet Tracer? If you have got it to
work, any tips/workarounds would be hugely appreciated. Equally, if you
have tried it out recently and have found it to be inaccessible, I would
like to know so that I can provide as much detail as possible if/when I
speak to Cisco.
Many thanks in advance for any help and comments.
Callum


moderated Re: Using Cisco Packet Tracer with JAWS

Glenn / Lenny
 


Hi Callum,
I've never tried packet tracer, but I would suggest trying the touch cursor, if you haven't tried that already.
HTH.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 8:27 AM
Subject: Using Cisco Packet Tracer with JAWS

Hi all,
 
I have recently started a new job on an IT Networks team and am being encouraged by my employer to take a Cisco CCNA qualification as it will help massively with my future career in this field. I am interested in doing this, but the problem is that much of the Cisco content relies heavily on their Packet Tracer network simulation software.
 
When I first started at university around three years ago, our course also used a lot of the CCNA content and we tried back then using Packet Tracer with JAWS, but with no success. As soon as the program is launched, JAWS says nothing. When pressing tab or the arrow keys, nothing at all is spoken, not even "blank". Me and my tutors contacted Cisco in the hope that they could help or recommend an alternative, but they were less than helpful so we were left to find alternatives for ourselves, which we did. I studied the CCNA content and got my degree, but I'm not CCNA qualified on paper, plus the content changed at the start of this year, so I am now studying it again for work.
 
Three years later, things are no better with the latest version of Packet Tracer and JAWS 2020, and the alternative method I used at university (using physical devices instead of virtual ones) is not possible at work especially in the current situation. I have contacted Cisco again and this time they seem a little more helpful. They claim that they have tested Packet Tracer with JAWS 2020 and, in their words, "it works, but with some gaps" and they seem completely stuck for answers as to why it doesn't work with JAWS at all on my machine, but it does for them. They of course tried blaming the user at first, "Is your speech set to mute? Is your volume set to an audible level?" etc etc. It would be wrong for me to say that I'm a JAWS expert, but I'm certainly not a beginner. I have used JAWS for many years and am very familiar with it, but nothing I try makes any improvement with Packet Tracer.
 
The person who I have been in touch with from Cisco's accessibility team has now put me in touch with one of the Packet Tracer developers and I'm currently trying to arrange a call with them in the hope that we can figure this out, however I would like to know if I'm missing something with this.
 
Has anyone else had experience with Packet Tracer? If you have got it to work, any tips/workarounds would be hugely appreciated. Equally, if you have tried it out recently and have found it to be inaccessible, I would like to know so that I can provide as much detail as possible if/when I speak to Cisco.
 
Many thanks in advance for any help and comments.
 
Callum


moderated Re: TCM and JAWS

David Diamond
 

I’ve not used Internet explorer for a long time.  I got tired of the prompt from websites that it was outdated and suggested to use Google or Firefox.  Edge is more like Google now so I use Edge primarily as my browser. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: October 15, 2020 9:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: TCM and JAWS

 

Bill, thanks for your response.  I had been using Internet Explorer but with your suggestion I tried Google Chrome.  Like you, I’m using Windows 10 and JAWS 2020.  With Google Chrome I could read more of the website but must admit had difficulty getting around the site and finding what I wanted.

 

I live in Canada but I may take you up on your offer and phone at a later time.

 

Many thanks for your quick responses.

 

Don

 

From: Bill White

Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:44 PM

Subject: Re: TCM and JAWS

 

Hi, Don. I just used Google Chrome, Windows 10, and JAWS 2020 to read the TCM schedule, and it was accessible to me.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 6:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: TCM and JAWS

 

I’m wondering if anyone can offer suggestions.  Last week TCM (Turner Classic Movie) network changed their website.  The daily movie schedule, which used to be accessible with JAWS, now isn’t.  I had a sighted friend check and it’s on the screen.  I tried copy and paste and then tried to print but all that resulted was a huge sheaf of paper going through the printer, evidently not detectable by my scanner!

 

TCM’s website is tcm.com.

 

This is hardly a significant issue but still I’d be glad of any help.

 

Don


moderated Using Cisco Packet Tracer with JAWS

Callum Stoneman
 

Hi all,
 
I have recently started a new job on an IT Networks team and am being encouraged by my employer to take a Cisco CCNA qualification as it will help massively with my future career in this field. I am interested in doing this, but the problem is that much of the Cisco content relies heavily on their Packet Tracer network simulation software.
 
When I first started at university around three years ago, our course also used a lot of the CCNA content and we tried back then using Packet Tracer with JAWS, but with no success. As soon as the program is launched, JAWS says nothing. When pressing tab or the arrow keys, nothing at all is spoken, not even "blank". Me and my tutors contacted Cisco in the hope that they could help or recommend an alternative, but they were less than helpful so we were left to find alternatives for ourselves, which we did. I studied the CCNA content and got my degree, but I'm not CCNA qualified on paper, plus the content changed at the start of this year, so I am now studying it again for work.
 
Three years later, things are no better with the latest version of Packet Tracer and JAWS 2020, and the alternative method I used at university (using physical devices instead of virtual ones) is not possible at work especially in the current situation. I have contacted Cisco again and this time they seem a little more helpful. They claim that they have tested Packet Tracer with JAWS 2020 and, in their words, "it works, but with some gaps" and they seem completely stuck for answers as to why it doesn't work with JAWS at all on my machine, but it does for them. They of course tried blaming the user at first, "Is your speech set to mute? Is your volume set to an audible level?" etc etc. It would be wrong for me to say that I'm a JAWS expert, but I'm certainly not a beginner. I have used JAWS for many years and am very familiar with it, but nothing I try makes any improvement with Packet Tracer.
 
The person who I have been in touch with from Cisco's accessibility team has now put me in touch with one of the Packet Tracer developers and I'm currently trying to arrange a call with them in the hope that we can figure this out, however I would like to know if I'm missing something with this.
 
Has anyone else had experience with Packet Tracer? If you have got it to work, any tips/workarounds would be hugely appreciated. Equally, if you have tried it out recently and have found it to be inaccessible, I would like to know so that I can provide as much detail as possible if/when I speak to Cisco.
 
Many thanks in advance for any help and comments.
 
Callum


moderated Re: TCM and JAWS

Don Walls
 

Bill, thanks for your response.  I had been using Internet Explorer but with your suggestion I tried Google Chrome.  Like you, I’m using Windows 10 and JAWS 2020.  With Google Chrome I could read more of the website but must admit had difficulty getting around the site and finding what I wanted.
 
I live in Canada but I may take you up on your offer and phone at a later time.
 
Many thanks for your quick responses.
 
Don
 

From: Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: TCM and JAWS
 

Hi, Don. I just used Google Chrome, Windows 10, and JAWS 2020 to read the TCM schedule, and it was accessible to me.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 6:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: TCM and JAWS

 

I’m wondering if anyone can offer suggestions.  Last week TCM (Turner Classic Movie) network changed their website.  The daily movie schedule, which used to be accessible with JAWS, now isn’t.  I had a sighted friend check and it’s on the screen.  I tried copy and paste and then tried to print but all that resulted was a huge sheaf of paper going through the printer, evidently not detectable by my scanner!

 

TCM’s website is tcm.com.

 

This is hardly a significant issue but still I’d be glad of any help.

 

Don


moderated Re: TCM and JAWS

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Don. I just used Google Chrome, Windows 10, and JAWS 2020 to read the TCM schedule, and it was accessible to me.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 6:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: TCM and JAWS

 

I’m wondering if anyone can offer suggestions.  Last week TCM (Turner Classic Movie) network changed their website.  The daily movie schedule, which used to be accessible with JAWS, now isn’t.  I had a sighted friend check and it’s on the screen.  I tried copy and paste and then tried to print but all that resulted was a huge sheaf of paper going through the printer, evidently not detectable by my scanner!

 

TCM’s website is tcm.com.

 

This is hardly a significant issue but still I’d be glad of any help.

 

Don


moderated TCM and JAWS

Don Walls
 

I’m wondering if anyone can offer suggestions.  Last week TCM (Turner Classic Movie) network changed their website.  The daily movie schedule, which used to be accessible with JAWS, now isn’t.  I had a sighted friend check and it’s on the screen.  I tried copy and paste and then tried to print but all that resulted was a huge sheaf of paper going through the printer, evidently not detectable by my scanner!
 
TCM’s website is tcm.com.
 
This is hardly a significant issue but still I’d be glad of any help.
 
Don


moderated Re: Book Share books format on NLS machine?

Richard Turner
 

Thanks for the reminder.

I no longer have a machine since I just use the BARD mobile app, but good to know.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Book Share books format on NLS machine?

 

Richard,

 

The name of that special folder for mp3 files when the storage medium contains both mp3 files and digital talking books is audio+podcasts. Note the plus sign between audio and podcasts with no spacing. If only mp3 files are on the storage device, the special folder is not required.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 2:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Book Share books format on NLS machine?

 

NLS players can play mp3 files, but it won't tell you the name of the file, and if there is more than one file in the book, you will have to be sure that they are labeled so they will play in order.

There is a special folder name, which you put the mp3 files into, but I cannot remember the name off the top of my head.

Call your regional library.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:



You're confusing DAISY audio with DAISY text. The NLS players play the audio, they don't read the text.

 

On 10/15/2020 1:59 PM, Marlo Green wrote:

Good Afternoon Everyone!

 

               Would anyone happen to know the format I would use to save a book from Book Share on a thumb drive to play on a NLS player? I was told Daisy, but I tried to play the file on the thumb drive and it wasn’t even there according to the files and folders option on the machine.  Anyone know? The California State library for the Blind doesn’t have a way to contact them by phone, and I have e-mailed already. Thought I would try all avenues.


moderated Re: Book Share books format on NLS machine?

 

Richard,

 

The name of that special folder for mp3 files when the storage medium contains both mp3 files and digital talking books is audio+podcasts. Note the plus sign between audio and podcasts with no spacing. If only mp3 files are on the storage device, the special folder is not required.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 2:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Book Share books format on NLS machine?

 

NLS players can play mp3 files, but it won't tell you the name of the file, and if there is more than one file in the book, you will have to be sure that they are labeled so they will play in order.

There is a special folder name, which you put the mp3 files into, but I cannot remember the name off the top of my head.

Call your regional library.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert



On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:



You're confusing DAISY audio with DAISY text. The NLS players play the audio, they don't read the text.

 

On 10/15/2020 1:59 PM, Marlo Green wrote:

Good Afternoon Everyone!

 

               Would anyone happen to know the format I would use to save a book from Book Share on a thumb drive to play on a NLS player? I was told Daisy, but I tried to play the file on the thumb drive and it wasn’t even there according to the files and folders option on the machine.  Anyone know? The California State library for the Blind doesn’t have a way to contact them by phone, and I have e-mailed already. Thought I would try all avenues.


moderated Re: Book Share books format on NLS machine?

Richard Turner
 

NLS players can play mp3 files, but it won't tell you the name of the file, and if there is more than one file in the book, you will have to be sure that they are labeled so they will play in order.
There is a special folder name, which you put the mp3 files into, but I cannot remember the name off the top of my head.
Call your regional library.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:



You're confusing DAISY audio with DAISY text. The NLS players play the audio, they don't read the text.


On 10/15/2020 1:59 PM, Marlo Green wrote:

Good Afternoon Everyone!

 

               Would anyone happen to know the format I would use to save a book from Book Share on a thumb drive to play on a NLS player? I was told Daisy, but I tried to play the file on the thumb drive and it wasn’t even there according to the files and folders option on the machine.  Anyone know? The California State library for the Blind doesn’t have a way to contact them by phone, and I have e-mailed already. Thought I would try all avenues.


moderated thanks for thebook share to nls answer

Marlo Green
 

Thank you all for your clarification. I thought it was something weird about what she said.  Have a great day all!!!😁

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